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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 23:04 GMT
#421
You're seriously telling me that between two of them they only managed to post twice in 48 hours?

What is this universe I'm living in?
Artanis & marv
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
March 14 2013 23:04 GMT
#422
well fuck. I'll read the thread and analyze tomorrow. Fuck this shit.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 14 2013 23:04 GMT
#423
heh prom u so scum
Promato
Profile Joined March 2013
92 Posts
March 14 2013 23:05 GMT
#424
On March 15 2013 08:04 Promethelax wrote:
well fuck. I'll read the thread and analyze tomorrow. Fuck this shit.


On March 15 2013 08:03 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 08:02 FiveTouch wrote:
Oh god. Why hasn't Kei been carrying me while I've been distracted.


my feels exactly.



...I suck
Yamato + Prom hydra for Hydra Mini
Promato
Profile Joined March 2013
92 Posts
March 14 2013 23:05 GMT
#425
On March 15 2013 08:04 DrParnassus wrote:
heh prom u so scum


sorry. I'm not. But for once I don't fault you for thinking so.
Yamato + Prom hydra for Hydra Mini
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 23:06 GMT
#426
Alright. This analysis should be not too hard. Dirk is probably mafia, and whoever distracted us on to Witty is probably mafia. that's my initial feels, may change upon re-read.
Artanis & marv
NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
Profile Joined March 2013
183 Posts
March 14 2013 23:07 GMT
#427
Why the fuck do people sign up for this game if you can't manage more than 3 posts?

Oh well good riddance.

Town 'aint going to win this game if the people who aren't posting don't start pulling their weight. Caster, Dirk, and Promato (particularly the Yamato half) better start posting, or we'll end up with another 15 page Day.
The two man power trip.
NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
Profile Joined March 2013
183 Posts
March 14 2013 23:09 GMT
#428
On March 15 2013 08:06 FiveTouch wrote:
Alright. This analysis should be not too hard. Dirk is probably mafia, and whoever distracted us on to Witty is probably mafia. that's my initial feels, may change upon re-read.


Well that was me (I think) and I'm not mafia =/
The two man power trip.
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 14 2013 23:12 GMT
#429
lol that's so depressing... but i think i'm actually glad, because the game just got 10x more interesting
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 23:15 GMT
#430
I'll make time tomorrow to re-read everything and decide what I feel went down. I'll also split my time far better towards this game as it'll be night in the other game I'm playing too.

The game is short so I advise everyone to actually re-read the whole day so they have a feel for what went down and how and when.

~marv
Artanis & marv
NewbieXXXI_ObsQT
Profile Joined March 2013
183 Posts
March 14 2013 23:16 GMT
#431
Also marv, get Kei in here and make him post some. The only thing I've heard from him is defending himself against Moc, and that makes you much harder to read.
The two man power trip.
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 14 2013 23:18 GMT
#432
marv u want to say something? I can just feel you trying to sneakily divert supsicion towards hapa and myself, as we were the biggest champions of this lynch. It doesn't take a genius to remember that, and you are acting as if you have no clue who pushed the wittyname lynch yet you're saying that those people are the ones to blame
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 23:24 GMT
#433
On March 15 2013 08:18 DrParnassus wrote:
marv u want to say something? I can just feel you trying to sneakily divert supsicion towards hapa and myself, as we were the biggest champions of this lynch. It doesn't take a genius to remember that, and you are acting as if you have no clue who pushed the wittyname lynch yet you're saying that those people are the ones to blame


No, I'd genuinely forgotten it was specifically you, you'll have to understand that I've not been paying enough attention as I should.

I will say you have been my strongest town-read all day, so if you really were the catalyst, I don't think you are mafia.

~marv
Artanis & marv
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
March 14 2013 23:25 GMT
#434
In fact if it was you who actually started the case on Witty, that in many ways makes the game much easier.
Artanis & marv
ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 00:30 GMT
#435
On March 15 2013 08:25 FiveTouch wrote:
In fact if it was you who actually started the case on Witty, that in many ways makes the game much easier.

ObsQT planted and watered it, you (marv half) indulged with sunlight, and then DrParn started selling Witty-flowers on street corners. Actually that whole thing is interesting, look at the timeline from where it starts here. 2 votes within five minutes. Everything there looks all above board on that page, it was a natural extension of the conversation.



In other news, I want to share my perspective on Golems. I said I liked them earlier but this is my day-in-review for them.

This reads like a soft newbie claim:
On March 13 2013 22:19 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Also, I'm noticing that DrParnassus has switched his vote many many times already this game. Thoughts on his motivations, Soniv?

I'm not sure yet.
But if he's trying to puff up and look like a threat to people, I would say it's not working. Switching votes so often and quickly is worthless in my eyes - it creates a "boy who cried wolf" effect. In the future, if he ever REALLY wants to make a case, I'm not sure if people will take him seriously.

The caster personality role-play is obfuscating it a bit but it's not the only time in the thread that Golems has been not exactly following what was playing out in the thread. As the conversation was just kicking into gear:
On March 13 2013 22:29 TLCastingGolems wrote:
You know, Soniv, it seems there a re a bunch of people complaining about our lack of contribution and----whoops, hey now-----apparently an accusation that we're playing against our win-con! What proof do they have of that?

Yeah Wave it sounds like easy vote-garnering with no real substance no me. I think if people really want to hunt scum they definitely have to look into motivations, specifically those of DrParnassus and Moology. What is the point of essentially arguing over votes that clearly mean nothing in the first few hours? Oh, and look at that Wave, more D1 early-game vote switching, from FiveTouch this time. Real threatening.

Feigning contribution with more summary.
On March 14 2013 04:56 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Alright everyone, we have to head out until later this evening but we promise to give the crowd and the Newbies alike what they want. What kind of casters would we be, after all, if our purpose wasn't to provide entertaining information about people in a game?

Gone for a few hours turned into 25 hours. If they are operating individually this is really inexcusable in this setup.

The caster personality thing, while interesting, is not doing Golems any favors when it comes to methodology. Soft newbie claim and not understanding how early game works? I don't get it. They've both played mafia before. It looks like feigning contribution. The hardest stance he took was on Moology and it was meta-related. The meta isn't fleshed out, no examples are given, and combined with the newbie claim I really can't take a meta argument seriously from this slot. So I'm left with zero real contributions and an extended absence for a 2-person team. Leaning scum here right now.

-OO
From the shadows I come...
Moology
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy144 Posts
March 15 2013 00:32 GMT
#436
The mislynch sucks, but they didnt even come in to defend themselves: what are you meant to do?

Will do a re-read and provide some thoughts once OE and I get a chance to discuss what we think went down.

Now onto the Golems. (Moc thoughts)
On March 15 2013 06:43 TLCastingGolems wrote:
Newbie doubts our absence, Wave!

+ Show Spoiler [fluff] +

I'm not sure what to tell him. Call it coincidence or just plain unlucky, but we both had a bunch of crap going on, and neither of us could get to a computer. If he wants to look back at Mafia LX, he can see that your schedule, Soniv, can be quite restrictive at times. Mine generally isn't too bad, but that doesn't take the business factor of my life out of it. He also says we shouldn't "game absences". I don't really know where he's going with that.


I assume that he means we shouldn't try to take advantage of a Witty modkill. I don't quite understand why though, so maybe he can explain it for us a bit better. As for Moology, I would say he's somewhat null leaning red right now. Can you explain for our viewers why, Wave?

I would love to! Through reading, there was one post that jumped out at us. **INSTANT REPLAY + Show Spoiler +
On March 14 2013 08:35 Moology wrote:
Guys Moc is back.

I pretty pissed Omni hasnt shown his face at all.

Considering Drik Hardpec might be 1 man up with Syllo; I am happy to take a replacement out of Palmar, Bugs, Syllo


==============
I really don't like this post from TLCastingGolems (but will oblige)
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well Soniv it's coming down to the halfway point of Day 1 and what have we got to show for it?

Honestly it doesn't seem much, Wave. The town has seemingly decided between voting for who annoys them the most; either us for 'casting style' and perceived inactivity and lack of giving them the precise analyses they want, or Dirk Hardpec for doing...well...nothing! I don't know about you, Wave, but this doesn't seem like a town who is keen to scumhunt to me, rather they're quick to jump on easy sheep targets for simple reasons.

Let 'em think what they want, Soniv. They'll come around eventually, I have faith in them. A few recent developments for those still catching up, DrParnassus is an angry guy, Promato's disappearance looking fishy, and ObliviousEyes coming to our defense somewhat.

Oh, but those aren't READS, Wave. We might make someone angry!

Too true. In that case, having a look at NewbieXXXI_Obs Cutie, despite the fact that he has aggressively been pushing for our lynch, actually looks pretty good right now. Gives analysis on major occurrences including the earlier Day 1 'fight' between Parnassus and Moology, and calls out his current scummy looking targets. Parnassus, on the other hand, accuses us of shit-flinging yet directly after this he flings his own at other members of the thread, including a post meaning to 'direct our attention' to WittyHydraName. No support, no real purpose. Fivetouch makes some comment which Parnassus immediately +1s. If I didn't know better I would think the earlier shit-flinging fight Parnassus had with Moology was specifically staged to make the both of them look town, which most people seem to suspect of them. Since our vote is still on Moology right now, I think it's time to hear from the experts' desk; we're going to pass it off to Moology.

Moology, any thoughts regarding your performance last night, or the current voting trends?

Current voting trends looks like everyone is feeling each other out.
Hardpec definitely comes across as trolling
And Prome is giving us early promises of low activity (I am in the same boat as him.. but still making an effort)
Snarfs/Adams have flown under the radar for me; if they dont contribute by closer to lynch will prob vote them. - Especially because they dont have multiple ongoing games to hide behind.

Otherwise for today I am stuck between the trolling of hardpec and aggressiveness of Marv.
Marv normally tries to exert himself as town leader, and is actively trying to walk through with people his thought process.
This marv is setting up a dictatorship of no tolerance.. and its a marv i havnt seen before. (Kei done fuck all from what I read)

##Unvote
I want to discuss the situation with my other head before issuing a vote with intent to lynch. If Omni is not present in the next 8-10hrs, I will make the decision for him.

====================

The reason I dont like the post above, is because ONCE AGAIN, the castingteam summarise the situation and when it comes to the meat and veg, they pass it off to someone else.

Yes, teh flavour is cute, but the strategy is preventing them from being accountable
I am actually surprised Promato was supportive of this (justifying them as newbies not expected to contribute).. thats bullshit.You sign up with the big boys, your contributions are just as expected.
I dont want to be stuck at LYLO with another "Grush57".

(moc)

Moo claims that he dislikes the post we made and yet he'll oblige us, and then unvotes us immediately. Maybe Moology can clarify whether that was meant to just discredit us or he thinks that we are scum. I know a few people wouldn't mind killing us tomorrow, but Moo hasn't seemed to take a completely solid stance on it yet. Anything else, Soniv?

Well, looking through again, he called out a few players who dislike the limelight as a scum player. He called me out, but I'm not really sure why. I haven't played scum in probably over a year, and even at that, I've only been scum maybe two or three times. So I'm not really sure where he was going at that (again, maybe just sowing seeds to discredit), and I'd like some clarity on that.

If you read the thread properly, it was clear I wanted to give OE a chance to join the thread before laying down a vote that speaks for both of us.

You guys are still not taking any accountability: whether it is discriminating which of you is posting, or providing a firm stance on important thread issues.

Instead, when you choose to comment: it is focused on criticisms of your play, rather than contributing to ongoing discussion.

I am calling you out openly for shit play; if you want to treat that as discrediting go ahead.
As far as I am concerned, you guys are abusing your flavour to hide and not provide any original thought.
I am still deciding whether your intentions are scummy; or got lost in the flavour. Regardless the play as either alignment is sub-par.


P.S. if you want a random musing headed your way.

I noticed you guys came in, and tried to avoid voting for the "mislynch" candidate by suggesting he would be modkilled.
So who do you vote for?
A blatant sheep vote onto Dirk_Hardpec.. Where is the accountability

Do you guys have any original thoughts on who scum is in this game; let alone any original thoughts on the game in general?
ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 00:44 GMT
#437
@Moology

I don't see any votes from Golems on Dirk Hardpec.

-OO
From the shadows I come...
Moology
Profile Joined March 2013
Italy144 Posts
March 15 2013 00:49 GMT
#438
On March 15 2013 09:44 ObliviousEyes wrote:
@Moology

I don't see any votes from Golems on Dirk Hardpec.

-OO


Yes correct.. I meant, who do they suggest is a good alternative.

(moc)
ObliviousEyes
Profile Joined March 2013
United States57 Posts
March 15 2013 01:04 GMT
#439
On March 15 2013 09:49 Moology wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 09:44 ObliviousEyes wrote:
@Moology

I don't see any votes from Golems on Dirk Hardpec.

-OO


Yes correct.. I meant, who do they suggest is a good alternative.

(moc)

Oh, you are talking about the period during the question to hosts? Gotcha, I thought you meant said he actually voted for Dirk, not suggested him as an alternative during his question-to-the-hosts period. Still re-reading and pretty tired, my misunderstanding.

-OO
From the shadows I come...
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 15 2013 01:13 GMT
#440
i think i might lurk the rest of this cycle.... it's the uncertainty principle or something like that. interacting with the thread inevitably changes everyone else's play potentially making your reads all the less accurate. it shouldn't be an issue, cuz i'm obv town.

thrawn.
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