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Not to sound too know-it-all, but I did have my reservations about this lynch, as shown in my posts so far this game.
What seems obvious to me, as thrawn said himself, is that he is town. Thrawn is not playing anything like his scum meta and all, and obviously cares the most about the game at the moment. I know it's taboo to mention town reads at night, but mafia should just as easily be able to discern his towniness in relation to others, so I'm not worried that I'm giving out wildly shocking analysis here. Throats is probably town.
After that... I'm less sure. I feel like the Marv/Keir head is probably town, because aggression is something I do not associate with mafia Keirathi, so that's a point in their favor. Marv's analysis of the Adam/Snarfs hydra was spot on in my opinion, the only thing that made me rethink it was how easily it really did go down. Rarely is a mafia lynch that simple. I have no real reason to suspect them as mafia, BUT IT'S MARV, and he sets off my paranoia-dar in every game, so that's nothing new.
Hapa has been oddly quiet. In small minis like this, town Hapa is usually a pretty good driving force for conversation. I might have to give that head a good look very soon, because with the Adam/Snarfs town flip, they do look noticeably worse.
Moology is fairly townie. I mentioned earlier that Moc felt off, but they are consistently sharing their thoughts with the thread and being fairly objective since the arguing earlier, so I don't feel especially motivated to filter them extensively any longer.
Casting golems are a veritable mystery, but between the two of them I feel like they're the weakest players here, so I give them some more imaginary slack in the way of real reads. That big post above looks decent, and it agrees with my general suspicion of Hapiamp, so I they are currently green to me.
Dirk might be mafia after this flip, especially since he only barely managed to shove the lynch onto Snarfs/Adam. Lots of people have said this, but the low hanging fruit is usually a decent place to look for mafia, and they are indeed the lowest. It doesn't help that they seem to be trolling with their post signatures and such.
Who else is there, the VE/OO head? I've been ignoring them, to be honest. Gonna filter them and see what I can see.
-Yam
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On March 15 2013 14:47 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 14:44 DrParnassus wrote:
SO your scumreads are Iamp/Hapa and no one else? What do you think about Iamp, as opposed to hapa?
Like you are flipflopping throughout the whole thing. Why not filter VE/OO if you intend on posting a list of reads of all the players?
Because I just got home from work and am posting my thoughts about the game that I've had while at work. I think I reach some solid conclusions. You are town. I don't TRULY doubt that Marv/Keir are town, Moo is probably town, despite my initial suspicion. This game, it isn't super black and white like most. I also haven't had nearly the amount of time I would have liked to play it, so there's that. Don't worry, by lynch time day 2, no one will be talking about me.
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Is that a loaded question?'
Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa.
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I don't like focusing on WIFOM like that.
What I do know is that they are both collectively confident, spam-happy town players normally, and I am not feeling that from their filter this game. It's markedly off, and it's something I have noted, but then again, most everyone is playing low-activity for their normal selves.
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On March 15 2013 15:04 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote:
Is that a loaded question?'
Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight?
I just reread that filter, and it's Hapa who is being active, not iamp.
I really don't feel like they're worth pursuing any longer. Hapa does not look disinterested, despite the low activity. Compared to some, he is kind of spammy actually.
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On March 15 2013 04:18 ObliviousEyes wrote:
I am willing to consolidate upon the lurker WittyHydraName. I think Palmugs more likely to flip scum.
Filtering VE/OO, and this quote looks particularly bad.
Summary of their filter is:
-Criticise Casting Golems/Call them mafia offhandedly
-Talk about Dirk like it's going to change anything
-Make this horrid post
So as for difficulty of targets picked, this hydra gets a zero. I don't even know their reads on anyone else in the game, to be honest.
On March 13 2013 17:07 ObliviousEyes wrote:
I'm trying to figure out his motivations. Like, I just don't know what he's trying to accomplish with that question. The "really really" was just me being a jerk about it.
I'm trying to figure out if there's a difference between Named VTs claiming today and Named VTs just counterclaiming scum if they try and fakeclaim it at lynch time.
Is there any? I guess it would depend on the circumstances. What if we just agree to go ahead and lynch Named VTs if they are counterclaimed on the block? It could be a thing where there are more than one Named VT, but it would be the same thing if two Named VTs claimed now wouldn't it?
Eehhhhhhhhh actually I like it. If the Named VTs claim now then scum cannot use it as a fakeclaim later unless they do it right now, and if they do they run the risk of being outted as scum to the other PRs if there are any. We know that there is a maximum of 2 blues, so if 2 NVTs claim and there's a cop for instance, then he gets a guaranteed scum check that night...or if there's a doctor then there's a 100% chance that there's a mafia in the 2 NVT claims which is also powerful even if the doctor doesn't claim to out him.
Named VTs should claim.
Plus I fucking abhor policy shit like this, and when it comes from VE, I hate it even more.
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What do you guys think of my read on VE/OO?
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On March 15 2013 15:46 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 15:18 Promato wrote:On March 15 2013 15:04 DrParnassus wrote:On March 15 2013 15:00 Promato wrote:
Is that a loaded question?'
Obviously it looks bad, coupled with what I've said about Hapa. Iamp/Hapa hydra has a pretty big filter this game though, how can you say that Iamp isnt being in the spotlight? I just reread that filter, and it's Hapa who is being active, not iamp. I really don't feel like they're worth pursuing any longer. Hapa does not look disinterested, despite the low activity. Compared to some, he is kind of spammy actually. So who is scum then? Since your top scum read isnt actually scum anymore?
On March 15 2013 15:29 Promato wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 04:18 ObliviousEyes wrote:
I am willing to consolidate upon the lurker WittyHydraName. I think Palmugs more likely to flip scum. Filtering VE/OO, and this quote looks particularly bad. Summary of their filter is: -Criticise Casting Golems/Call them mafia offhandedly -Talk about Dirk like it's going to change anything -Make this horrid post So as for difficulty of targets picked, this hydra gets a zero. I don't even know their reads on anyone else in the game, to be honest. Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 17:07 ObliviousEyes wrote:
I'm trying to figure out his motivations. Like, I just don't know what he's trying to accomplish with that question. The "really really" was just me being a jerk about it.
I'm trying to figure out if there's a difference between Named VTs claiming today and Named VTs just counterclaiming scum if they try and fakeclaim it at lynch time.
Is there any? I guess it would depend on the circumstances. What if we just agree to go ahead and lynch Named VTs if they are counterclaimed on the block? It could be a thing where there are more than one Named VT, but it would be the same thing if two Named VTs claimed now wouldn't it?
Eehhhhhhhhh actually I like it. If the Named VTs claim now then scum cannot use it as a fakeclaim later unless they do it right now, and if they do they run the risk of being outted as scum to the other PRs if there are any. We know that there is a maximum of 2 blues, so if 2 NVTs claim and there's a cop for instance, then he gets a guaranteed scum check that night...or if there's a doctor then there's a 100% chance that there's a mafia in the 2 NVT claims which is also powerful even if the doctor doesn't claim to out him.
Named VTs should claim. Plus I fucking abhor policy shit like this, and when it comes from VE, I hate it even more.
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How many times did I catch VE making a post just like I quoted at the beginning of that case when he was mafia in Nomination?
It's like, the number one scum tell. Yell that someone is mafia, but consent to thread sentiment in one post.
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On March 15 2013 16:32 ObliviousEyes wrote:Consider this defense as "obligatory" because yamato literally just said I'm his top scumread. - I'm pushing Dirk because I think he's scum. I was the only person voting for him at the end of the day and you call him an "easy target"? Get real bro. He's easy now, sure. Everyone wants a piece of Dirk now that their "easy" target didn't work out. I tried to get Dirk lynched, and he had a chance of being lynched which is evident from how "easy" a target you perceive Dirk to be now.
- Earlier on I wasn't liking his casting style but progressively Golems has grown less general and more focused imo. We're talking about it presently actually. He thinks he found something, and he's someone I'm filtering.
Do you have any kind of SPECIFIC problem with our play? Or are you just poking and prodding?
Why are we ignoring this guy?
Again, I repeat, VE does that soft push of town's wagon thing all the fucking time as mafia. I would be shocked if he was town.
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On March 16 2013 05:43 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:42 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 16 2013 05:38 FiveTouch wrote:On March 16 2013 05:37 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote:On March 16 2013 05:36 FiveTouch wrote:
Why the fuck is everyone so worried about me not posting much. This is not an 18 player game. It is a 9 player game. Marv speaks for our opinions, and if he's not around, I'll talk about what I feel is important.
~Keir 'cause you're a good player, and I'd expect you to be more vocal about your opinions. I'm plenty vocal with my opinions...to my partner, and we discuss them, then he brings them to the thread when we've reached a consensus. Yeah but how the fuck am I supposed to know that? Part of me reading your hydra is reading you. You not posting makes it impossible to get information out of you, and makes it impossible to hold you accountible for anything. I don't see that this matters. Hyrdas are one being. You must read fivetouch. Not kier, not marv, but fivetouch.
son of a bitch! I used to be good at this.
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I'm telling you, VE is mafia
He's also all kinds of afk for a while now, which is highly, highly suspicious.
His latest post is a defense of himself from my attacks which doesn't even address the strongest point, that VE is obviously willing to consent to lynching with town in ALL OF ONE POST, despite screaming that Dirk is mafia in all of his other posts. It's exactly the same thing I nailed him for day one in Nomination. Stop fucking ignoring it.
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On March 16 2013 06:03 FiveTouch wrote:
I still think he's town. Everything reads as pretty genuine to me. I understand the flow of the filter and the thoughts. I'm not totally certain about this, but I think so.
~marv
Read the post I quoted.
It's the only time he even MENTIONS Witty while town is fawning over lynching him.
Not only was he otherwise ignorant of town's escapades, but he didn't even bother giving a read on the guy other than saying he's "willing to lynch him".
Come on, Marv, this is scum VE and you know I know.
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On March 16 2013 06:06 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 06:03 Promato wrote:
I'm telling you, VE is mafia
He's also all kinds of afk for a while now, which is highly, highly suspicious.
His latest post is a defense of himself from my attacks which doesn't even address the strongest point, that VE is obviously willing to consent to lynching with town in ALL OF ONE POST, despite screaming that Dirk is mafia in all of his other posts. It's exactly the same thing I nailed him for day one in Nomination. Stop fucking ignoring it. Is this prom? How are you so fucking sure about VE being mafia when you obviously aren't even making half an effort to play the game? You have like 0 town cred atm. You seem so goddamn sure about this VE read...... but I don't see how you would be able to be so confident if I'm to believe that you are truly an over-burdened townie who cba to play the game imo you and VE are at about the same level of scumminess
This is yamato.
And no, me being busy does not detract from my ability to catch mafia.
I am sure about VE because THIS IS EXACTLY HOW I CAUGHT MAFIA VE BEFORE.
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HAHA!
I got to him first!
Lol. Anyway, good to know we're on the same page.
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wow wow wow, VE take a step back now.
Give me a quick run down of what you think of me and Yam.
We're one of your towniest reads. It shouldn't be hard to tell me why.
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On March 16 2013 06:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Your initial speculation re: Named VT made me think critically about the setup. Yamato's push on me feels genuine, misguided though it be.
I won't support a lynch on you two. That's all you should care about.
weeee, you are scum. I'll have to buy Yam a beer later.
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On March 16 2013 07:05 ObliviousEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 07:03 Promato wrote:On March 16 2013 06:47 ObliviousEyes wrote:
Your initial speculation re: Named VT made me think critically about the setup. Yamato's push on me feels genuine, misguided though it be.
I won't support a lynch on you two. That's all you should care about. weeee, you are scum. I'll have to buy Yam a beer later. IS THIS SHIT FOR FUCKING REAL!?
you are threatening me to believe that you believe that I am town. Or to quote you "That's all you should care about" implying I shouldn't care about your alignment. Its hilarious because it isn't something town VE thinks. Also because you have called me scum in the past for saying you are a strong town player (NMM IV) and so me calling you out on your bullshit with no reasoning on my part should strike you as scummy or something. But it didn't. Because you know I am town.
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its okay VE, your OMGUS is cute. I still <3 you.
I have the information and reads I need. And because there is zero chance I'm the nightkill (seriously fucking none, look at me i haven't even posted enough to give blue vibes or anything) I don't have to explain anything until day.
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