EPTYuOr very active aggressiveness this game. Haven't seen this from u before.
Anything I should know?
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I pretty pissed Omni hasnt shown his face at all. Considering Drik Hardpec might be 1 man up with Syllo; I am happy to take a replacement out of Palmar, Bugs, Syllo  ============== I really don't like this post from TLCastingGolems (but will oblige) On March 14 2013 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Well Soniv it's coming down to the halfway point of Day 1 and what have we got to show for it? Honestly it doesn't seem much, Wave. The town has seemingly decided between voting for who annoys them the most; either us for 'casting style' and perceived inactivity and lack of giving them the precise analyses they want, or Dirk Hardpec for doing...well...nothing! I don't know about you, Wave, but this doesn't seem like a town who is keen to scumhunt to me, rather they're quick to jump on easy sheep targets for simple reasons. Let 'em think what they want, Soniv. They'll come around eventually, I have faith in them. A few recent developments for those still catching up, DrParnassus is an angry guy, Promato's disappearance looking fishy, and ObliviousEyes coming to our defense somewhat. Oh, but those aren't READS, Wave. We might make someone angry! Too true. In that case, having a look at NewbieXXXI_Obs Cutie, despite the fact that he has aggressively been pushing for our lynch, actually looks pretty good right now. Gives analysis on major occurrences including the earlier Day 1 'fight' between Parnassus and Moology, and calls out his current scummy looking targets. Parnassus, on the other hand, accuses us of shit-flinging yet directly after this he flings his own at other members of the thread, including a post meaning to 'direct our attention' to WittyHydraName. No support, no real purpose. Fivetouch makes some comment which Parnassus immediately +1s. If I didn't know better I would think the earlier shit-flinging fight Parnassus had with Moology was specifically staged to make the both of them look town, which most people seem to suspect of them. Since our vote is still on Moology right now, I think it's time to hear from the experts' desk; we're going to pass it off to Moology. Moology, any thoughts regarding your performance last night, or the current voting trends? Current voting trends looks like everyone is feeling each other out. Hardpec definitely comes across as trolling And Prome is giving us early promises of low activity (I am in the same boat as him.. but still making an effort) Snarfs/Adams have flown under the radar for me; if they dont contribute by closer to lynch will prob vote them. - Especially because they dont have multiple ongoing games to hide behind. Otherwise for today I am stuck between the trolling of hardpec and aggressiveness of Marv. Marv normally tries to exert himself as town leader, and is actively trying to walk through with people his thought process. This marv is setting up a dictatorship of no tolerance.. and its a marv i havnt seen before. (Kei done fuck all from what I read) ##Unvote I want to discuss the situation with my other head before issuing a vote with intent to lynch. If Omni is not present in the next 8-10hrs, I will make the decision for him. ==================== The reason I dont like the post above, is because ONCE AGAIN, the castingteam summarise the situation and when it comes to the meat and veg, they pass it off to someone else. Yes, teh flavour is cute, but the strategy is preventing them from being accountable I am actually surprised Promato was supportive of this (justifying them as newbies not expected to contribute).. thats bullshit.You sign up with the big boys, your contributions are just as expected. I dont want to be stuck at LYLO with another "Grush57". (moc) | ||
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On March 14 2013 08:44 ObliviousEyes wrote: I find it interesting that you're speculating about a strategy that allows the hydras to "prevent them from being held accountable", when you JUST made a comment about not wanting to vote without the permission of your absent hydra head. What harm is there in placing a vote now? If you discuss it and he disagrees and convinces you, can you not change your vote? I think we talking about two completely different things. A vote is an intention to lynch. Every decision I make has a ramification for my 'other half'. It is out of respect that I wait for his feedback. Instead of hiding behind that 'respect" I am giving Omni a deadline. *THAT* is being accountable and transparent. Yes we can change the vote; but, I don't want to treat votes as wishy-washy pressure. The last thing I need when pressuring someone is a mum who punishes, and dad who gives $ for ice-cream. Congruence in *message* is key to successful communication between the two heads. With CastingGolems they are trying contribute with cool flavour and then when it comes to providing substance, they either: re-paste multiple quotes, or palm off the analysis to someone else (as evident in the post I highlighted). They are actively trying to avoid accountability. | ||
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On March 14 2013 09:09 ObliviousEyes wrote: OK, re-reading your original post I admit I misinterpreted your intention, which led to a misrepresentation.That's....fine. I can get behind that. I would like you to respond to my previous point though. I never thought marv's vote was bad. Ever. In fact, I kinda liked it because it immediately demanded response due to the emotional nature of it, while still being a valid criticism of your play so early on. Truth be told, the situation at the time was getting fairly aggressive and emotional. Having said that; I dont see why Marv original vote is merit-able. Saying "first" is standard antics on TL. So whilst the response *may* have demanded response... it certainly was not a valid criticism. And this lines up with what I raised prior: I am noticing the way he is handling criticism of everyone else in the thread is to throw out "spiteful" and harsh remarks. The town Marv I know does call it how he sees it; but the tone is completely different. There is no joviality in his play this game. Unless of course you want to raise, when I called out his aggressiveness before goign to bed last night; him responding he has a beautiful (note: not large) penis.. that about it for joviality. Is it just me reading into this? | ||
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On March 14 2013 09:35 ObliviousEyes wrote: Well the thing is I think he was reacting more to the RolePM line than the "first" comment. Claiming not to read your role PM, whether honest or a joke, is bullshit (Hi Palmar). The question becomes "would townMarv jump on something small early on to kick off discussion" vs "would scumMarv draw attention to himself by jumping on something so small early on". For me the answer is yes to both questions. It seems the answer is no to the first and yes to the second for you based on your post, does your read of him change if he was referring to the role PM post rather than the "first" post? No my read doesnt change, because, again its 'sorta' common for people to say "I havent read role PM" - especially when making "first" posts. If a town FT really thought the Role PM comment was anti-town in nature, I think marv would have handled the situation differently. I dont see how a "quick vote: with reasoning = wont tolerate bullshit" kicked off any meaningful/non-emotional discussion. Rather, what eventuated was a war of words between Throats/OmniSta that was filled with emotion and aggression. Now, if that behaviour was a once-off; *MAYBE* i would say, marv felt pressured to go back to personality and made a post in haste. However, the behaviour is a reoccuring theme throughout the past 24hrs. @Everyone Agree/Disagree? | ||
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On March 14 2013 09:53 DrParnassus wrote: mocsta, answer me this: Palmar has claimed to not have read his role pm. (assume you believe he's telling the truth) Should he read his role pm? Well I think he should (if he hasnt) We are also approaching the game different; not reading the role PM isnt an excuse to troll the thread Not sure if its lynchable based on the "event". It would be lynchable if followed up with zero scum hunting. (moc) | ||
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On March 14 2013 10:03 DrParnassus wrote: the difference in approach doesn't matter. if someone claims that they haven't read their role pm, you have only 2 options: 1. don't believe them 2. believe them, and don't take anything they say as alignment indicative If player X doesn't know his alignment then it will be impossible for you to determine player x's alignment. (outside of eventual process of elimination) Everything that person says is said from a townie perspective, because even if they are scum, they don't know alignments. Therefore, not reading your role pm is deliberately anti-town because it makes you unreadable. Marv's vote was justified, insofar as it pressures you to read your role pm. btw nearly everything in the last few hours has been thrawn. once oats comes back i'll start signing posts Agree with those points in full. But what stops someone from not-reading the PM; and also not saying they havn't read the PM? If someone wants to "gamble" scum that seriously by "faking town due to no PM check' surely, they wouldnt advertise the matter. There is also precedent of super-vets not checking role PM for first cycle (Palmar/Ver, maybe others) - not that I am associating myself in this category at all. ======== Since your online, can you please share your thoughts on what I commented with FiveTouch? (moc) | ||
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On March 14 2013 04:55 DrParnassus wrote: IN general scum will avoid the spotlight if possible, and this is even more true in games where people yell and scream at each other. I know this from first hand experience, lol. Wittyname fits that bill. Not sure how much that applies here. When the first yelling & screaming was happening; no one else was online (apparently). Also: Guys like Marv/Bugs cant afford to drop activity if scum. So they need some spotlight shed on them regardless of alignment. The guys I am aware who avoid the spotlight as scum = Snarfs, Oats, I assume jcarlsoniv. | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:10 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: Looks like he is interested somewhat so leaning town for now too early to tell though on a good scum player here. OK, well he given some pointers on what is a scum marv i.e. shits up thread; happy to sit back.. so I will keep an eye out for that. Want to def see more from the castinggolems + WittyName | ||
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On March 14 2013 11:28 FiveTouch wrote: So, I'm reading through all these posts soft-accusing (read: discrediting) marv, but I still can't find a real reason that is even discussable. Closest thing I see is marv is "being aggressive, which isn't like town marv". First off, town marv is aggressive when he needs to be, or really believes that he is right. I can go look up games for specific examples if you want me to, but it seems pretty obvious to me that you're either just making bullshit up, or judging off of a VERY limited sample size. Meta doesn't work like that. Don't fucking use meta if you don't understand how to use it properly. Secondly, show me a game where scum marv was hyper-aggressive. Go on. I'll wait. Firstly, please demonstrate how your early vote fostered a positive town environment that didnt let scum hide in the shadows? There were many ways to handle the Role PM comment, and throwing a vote was perhaps the most polarising tool that could be used. Second, in response to your comments belittling me about meta usage. I did not claim to have a meta-read on Marv - otherwise I would have built a case. Fact: I noticed peculiarities in his play (compared to recent town Marv games) and voiced my concerns - transparently. Whilst others were not as concerned as I, they had also noticed similar peculiarities/changes in mindset. Kei, nice over-reaction post btw. If you had cast a vote, Dare I say. OMGUS. + Show Spoiler + P.S. (Mafia LIX) I was one of the guys that had a very strong read on FiveTouch as town early Day1; enough to mason him and stand up for his leadership when others were still doubting him actively. Whilst not indicative of his town play every game; there are some specific things he does which gives me a positive read on him - and all the games I have read him in since, has had the same type of behaviour. So far, I have not seen any of that behaviour. You can say the sample-size is small.. and I dont care... I wasnt building a meta case on him on as scum. I am commenting I do not find him overtly townie as I have become accustomed to. (moc) | ||
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On March 14 2013 12:40 Mocsta wrote: I chose not to call you scum, because I haven't seen anything specific that makes me think you are scum. My concern is exactly as I detailed. I expect a town Marv to be blindingly obvious (to me); and I am not getting that. Your emphasis on interpreting matters that I have explained simply and explicitly is not improving my opinion on your hydra. Everything I wrote has been clear and to the point: so I am struggling to ascertain where your over-reactions originate from. ============== Regardless let us continue discourse please: so what if I want to talk about you. Why is that of so much concern to you; that you need to interject and apply immediate counter-pressure? (moc) | ||
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On March 14 2013 12:38 NewbieXXXI_ObsQT wrote: What's more depressing is that one of them is likely to be town. Please walk me through this comment | ||
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On March 14 2013 12:44 FiveTouch wrote: Because your accusations have been completely unfounded. You've just been saying stuff about marv's meta without backing any of it up. Basically you've been working super hard to discredit us by soft-accusing us repeatedly and blowing hot air up everyone's ass, but haven't done jack shit about it. Again: more over-reactions. You are trying to intimidate/counter-pressure me from investigating any further. i.e. cut the hydra head off. I am surprised you think what I am doing is working hard to discredit your team. If I thought you were scum; trust me, you would know. I would be up yo' ass with my "ugly penis" Fact is: I have never seen Marv handle the early game the way he has handled it (so far). I have every entitlement to ask if people find that strange. Especially those that have played with a scum Marv before. Guess what Keirathi: others that commented have also mentioned noticing the behavioural deviation as well. They also admit they dont think its scummy. so i dont know what your problem is. That you are actively trying to shut me down, is making me question whether I am onto something now. | ||
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On March 14 2013 13:13 FiveTouch wrote: I think you're misunderstanding my intent here. If you have a good reason for continually calling-us-scum-without-actually-calling-us-scum, then fine. I'm totes down to discuss anything with someone who has a reasonable argument. You've just been slinging shit without backing it up. THAT is my problem with how you've gone about this. I see. Well I still think you are over-reacting to any question of motive regarding your hydra. However I think you are right, and we have a misinterpretation of motives. In fairness, I can understand why you would take it as slinging shit - I am questioning you to others. But, from my perspective I was transparent about my motives. I saw something out of the norm; and was asking others (a) is it just me seeing it & (b) is it scummy (for those that know marv better than me) & (c) I even asked the question directly to Marv yesterday, who reciprocated by brushing it off and talking about his dick. So yeah, I am going to follow it up. If the motive still isnt clear for you: its a townie trying to figure this game out and engaging other players in the game. Maybe I haven't supplied quotes.. but the fact that others acknowledgement the behaviour peculiarities suggests it is simply not relevant. ========== Now, you have focused much of your attention on me today: Are you in agreement with Marv on scumspect = Hardpec? (moc) | ||
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On March 14 2013 14:18 Mocsta wrote: LOL, it was very recently you were the guy who had the worst reads on TL and tunneled them into oblivion. *Anyways* What is your stance on the vote? | ||
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On March 14 2013 12:04 Promato wrote: As for who I want to vote for, I have yet to decide. Is it that hard to repeat that? Perhaps your decision had changed between that post, and now. Appears the answer is no. (moc) | ||
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On March 14 2013 15:21 ObliviousEyes wrote: Golems I would call scum-ish but coming from a town place. I like the role-play (it's interesting and fun to read and that makes this more fun for me!). I don't like the excusing themselves but then again, that's extending a courtesy so I'm seeing them more townie than Witty right now. Snarfs is my own main concern right now given how little he's been around and his partner certainly isn't helping. He jumped way too fast on the ObsQT vote shenanigans and then never really followed it up. Hello OO. (Please respond specifically instead of VE) What has liking the golem flavour got to do with them "coming from a townie place"? Does it actually matter if you think they are "more townie" than Witty; either Golems are town, scum or null; where do you stand? (moc) | ||
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