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##Vote DrHelvetica | ||
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imma go do some stuff and then it's 100% srs mode from here on out i promise | ||
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anyways I haven't looked at my role pm so you can guys trust me fore now. i think i will tomorrow morning. carry on | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://piximus.net/media/36/cute-baby-seals-2.jpg) know what I mean? nudge nudge, wink wink, say no more | ||
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we choose our d1 lynch from the people that haven't posted as of right now? | ||
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-not reading the thread (less than 10 pages wtf) -taking things that happened early game super seriously -not being my friend oh this is interesting On March 05 2013 23:51 Promethelax wrote: Did anyone read their role pm? so i guess he was reading the thread and knew about me not reading my role pm at the start.... yet he is trying to judge my alignment.... - -wtf could he have possibly been talking about in regards to the questions about thrawn -taking things that happened early game super seriously -the above point, while trying to act all silly himself... it reminds me of hapa's seal posts -not being my friend scum | ||
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he's being ridiculously moronic right now: "so Thrawn are you dumb or scum?" prom you wanna say something? which one is it? and there is nothing that needs to be said about his vote for you | ||
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On March 06 2013 02:47 Promethelax wrote: Hapa, you decided to not pressure anyone over three guys voting someone 2 minutes into the game, instead you decided to give them all town reads. While you might be right (or more likely, know you are right) about them all being town I don't think a town Hapa would be so quick to dismiss them and call them all town. Thrawn, those are my options. You called me scum for not being your friend. That was your strongest argument. So either you are dumb or scum. I have you as scummy. I have Hapa as scummier. Happy? prom, you thinking that hapa is at fault for not pressuring the early voters makes you scum. you obviously think there is something wrong with what they (early voters) did. so why are you not questioning them? the closest you've come to doing that is calling thrawn dumb or scum. so why, if they deserve to be called out, are you not doing it? this hapa read is kinda bs and you don't have a read on me other than that my arguments should be discredited. | ||
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On March 06 2013 02:57 Promethelax wrote: to quote my notes "Dan and CC are usually useless trolls. Thrawn is not though. Its worth a follow up. The first two seem greenish. The third...I dunno." nobody talks to themselves like that | ||
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On March 06 2013 02:57 Promethelax wrote: because by the time I came in the game had progressed. I find it likely that dan and cc are town based in their actions. Thrawn on the other hand felt scummy. to quote my notes "Dan and CC are usually useless trolls. Thrawn is not though. Its worth a follow up. The first two seem greenish. The third...I dunno." ok, so right here. in your notes, evidence of the fact that you had a scum read on me. What was it for? What point in the game did you develop this read? | ||
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On March 06 2013 02:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Just to give a scummy little list here I think Hapa, Dr.H, Dandel, Artanis and myself are town. Thrawn kinda null but he's cool atm. I'll lynch me a Vivax, Prom, or Jay today. I'll throw a dart at a board and see which one I hit. i mostly agree with this | ||
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On March 06 2013 04:38 Promethelax wrote: points for a useless post during non-useless posting time. I like my vote right where it is. Which parts do you agree with and which do you not agree with? Mostly is fucking unhelpful. i agree with all the reads. mostly. and did that post really make you think I'm scum? i am not buying it | ||
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prom's not scum, he's just an angry boy | ||
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On March 06 2013 11:10 Vivax wrote: I'm confident that after your numerous contributions you are going to present us the scumteam on a silver tablet, o mighty thrawn. How else would you be looking down this way on people that actually moved some discussion forward, I expect great things from you. I suggest you start by listing the dumb fucking reasons and actually argue against them with some substance I will be here to debate your righteous points of view soon. nah not yet. i'm not nearly scummy enough yet | ||
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them's my reads. "oh thrawn why would you not explain your vote?" i'm stoned give me some time. vivax has made this game really difficult to read | ||
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On March 06 2013 11:55 jaybrundage wrote: Sigh whatever if you town needs to lynch me to see who the scum that lead my lynch im fine with that. jay, are you really that confident about your read on me, which was ENTIRELY based on meta, that you are already resigning to "go ahead and lynch me, you'll see thrawn is scum then" ?? please tell me more about this vote you've got on me | ||
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On March 06 2013 12:08 Promethelax wrote: Thrawn: I'm waiting. However stoned you are you can play the game. there's not much to say. i have town reads on several people that I don't care to talk about. vivax's voting so far has been ridiculous but i'm not confident that I can read him based off of that. there's jay, who somehow justified voting for me based off of nothing but meta. that's the most bullshit reason anyone could give for voting for me | ||
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On March 06 2013 10:22 jaybrundage wrote: Vivax last posts seem geniune. Also i respect Hapa's opinion alot. ##Unvote ##Vote Thrawn Thrawn's scum meta is lurking HARD. So far he has fit the bill perfectly. As i can recall he said at the beginning that he didn't look at his role pm. And when he does look at it he starting his lurking marathon. If you look at Normal Mini IV Iamp called out thrawn on it. And lo and behold thrawn was scum. just look at that post is that a justifiable reasoning for a vote? and yet, he's acting so sure about it. the best part about his line of reasoning is that it doesn't present anything to argue about... it's not an opinion on my overall play so far, it neither quotes or references anything from my filter that he is suspicious of. it's such an easy justification for him to give because there's actually no room for someone to really disagree with him about it | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:07 Hapahauli wrote: The point I'm trying to make is that there's good reason to have reasonable doubt about Jay's alignment right now, and I want to take the extra time. Is this because of how you view him as being lynch bait, or is there something specifically about this game that gives you reason to doubt? Can you comment on this post: On March 06 2013 12:14 thrawn2112 wrote: just look at that post is that a justifiable reasoning for a vote? and yet, he's acting so sure about it. the best part about his line of reasoning is that it doesn't present anything to argue about... it's not an opinion on my overall play so far, it neither quotes or references anything from my filter that he is suspicious of. it's such an easy justification for him to give because there's actually no room for someone to really disagree with him about it We're finally at a point in the game where we should be held accountable for our votes and this vote from jay is just lazy as all hell. There are NO opinion about any of my reads, NO opinion about how I've acted thus far, NO actual discussion about the differences (other than activity) between my scum/town meta, etc. As I said in the above quote, the stance he's taken is basically a non-stance. It doesn't leave room for argument and contains none of his own opinions concerning my scumminess. His vote is something he can justify as "well in general thrawn is lurky as scum" and there is nothing at all confrontational about that statement. | ||
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scum are probably: jay, vivax, maybe dandel lon, and a very small chance of mr CC | ||
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On March 06 2013 16:50 Vivax wrote: Also it's morning so I'm writing like I have the spastics. Thrawn is unlurky enough to have some slack for now, but his read on me is terrible, too much 420 I believe. what does this mean? you say "but his read is terrible" and "too much 420"... those are opposing statements. one suggests i'm town and one suggests i'm scum and fuck i really wanna hammer jay lol | ||
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who is STRONGLY opposed to not lynching jay? how long do we wait? | ||
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ebwop: who is strongly opposed to lynching jay? | ||
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you mentioned that you don't mind being lynched if it leads to town seeing who the scum are there are like 6-7 people so far who have voted or might vote for you, which of them do you think is scum? what info can you give us about this lynch? can you give an answer to this post: On March 06 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote: jay, are you really that confident about your read on me, which was ENTIRELY based on meta, that you are already resigning to "go ahead and lynch me, you'll see thrawn is scum then" ?? please tell me more about this vote you've got on me and also please explain your current thoughts on me, my meta, my vote for you, etc | ||
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that's enough from me for now, tired of talking to myself. you guys are so boring........... as soon as I start posting everyone leaves TT. | ||
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I couldn't get a feel for who you're actually wanting to lynch... looks like it's jay? Except your stance is more of a "wait and see" instead of a "I want to lynch this guy" approach. | ||
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imo scum can only be one of them, and that list is (roughly) in order of likeliness | ||
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On March 07 2013 08:32 Promethelax wrote: Thrawn: you a a grade A idiot if you think I am scum. Why did you hammer jay last cycle without allowing for discussion to continue? eh I don't think you're scum, although when I read that you called yourself "confirmed town" my heart skipped a beat hammered jay because I was extremely sure about him being scum, and was tired of being in the thread with nobody to talk to | ||
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On March 07 2013 08:42 Dandel Ion wrote: Two hours before, you said you don't want anyone to hammer. Then Artanis says he's ready to hammer jay when you ask him. Then you just decide to hammer yourself real quick. Explain. explain what | ||
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On March 05 2013 23:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I did after my accusation of hapa. The PM was painfully short and without pretty colours. It was dissapointing. ##unvote | ||
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right, so I (srs this time) think dandelon is scum. yes, he sheeped cheesecake's joke vote for jay way early on. is it difficult to do this? not at all, I did the exact same thing in LVIII. his filter contains nothing significant about jay and there's is really nothing he's done to make me think he's townie. acting like a jackass at the start of the game can only carry you so far. recently he began on this line of questioning: + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2013 08:42 Dandel Ion wrote: Two hours before, you said you don't want anyone to hammer. Then Artanis says he's ready to hammer jay when you ask him. Then you just decide to hammer yourself real quick. Explain. to which I respond with: he responds with: and i respond with: On March 07 2013 08:45 thrawn2112 wrote: lol nah i'm good. if you want a real answer ask a real question Did I respond at all in a townie or even cooperative manner? If somebody is responding to you the way I responded to dandel, it should make you even more suspicious of them, and all the more eager to continue your questioning. But Dandel backed down which is indicative that he isn't scumhunting, and is scum etc PRE EDIT yeah I see those in the OP now so nvm. My thoughts about artanis boil down to this post: On March 06 2013 17:58 thrawn2112 wrote: hullo I couldn't get a feel for who you're actually wanting to lynch... looks like it's jay? Except your stance is more of a "wait and see" instead of a "I want to lynch this guy" approach. He does nothing to push jay at all, and his stance on lynching jay gives jay a VERY easy out. Looks very much like a bus-in-the-making i'm not sure which of dandel/artanis i wanna vote for atm... probably leaning...... dan? idk | ||
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On March 07 2013 09:36 Dandel Ion wrote: Nah I just figured if you didn't answer the first time, you wouldn't the second time either. You still didn't. So whatevs. well do you think i'm scum or what? i'll play nice this time | ||
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On March 07 2013 09:38 Dandel Ion wrote: If I express a wish to put a noose around your neck, what do you think my opinion is on you? i say it's not much of an opinion when you've only listed 3 names with no reasoning the reason you say i'm scum is because I hammered Jay after saying I wouldn't? how does that mean thrawn=scum? | ||
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On March 07 2013 09:43 Dandel Ion wrote: No the point is you said that, then Artanis said he would hammer, THEN you did it. Now you attack artanis for not being hard enough on jay. show me where artanis said he would hammer jay | ||
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why nobody here? any thoughts on artanis/dandel? | ||
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nobody hammer yet plz | ||
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it's not mr CC because his reads have been pretty good all game and he suspected vivax it's not dandel, because dandel suspected vivax, and scum dandel wouldn't have posted this: On March 08 2013 02:31 Dandel Ion wrote: I think you have to edit that out. .........which leaves artanis, who did not have a scum read on vivax | ||
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On March 08 2013 18:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can someone tell me in what world what I did would be a good idea for scum to live through two more lynches? And don't give me wifom crap because there's a very good chance Vivax would get lynched regardless of my vote, and I'd come out looking a lot better than I do now. The reason I decided to hammer Vivax was because my read on him changed from how he posted since my post saying he was town, but it was not long enough ago to make credible. Prome's post was decent and despite saying I had a town read on Vivax now, the initial idea I had about him being scum in the start of the game still nagged at me in my head. It was also somewhat of an OMGUS since Vivax has been at my throat all game, I will admit. But tell me, how does my action make sense as a scum that actually wants to win? Also, kill anyone that decides to hammer me early. Even if this defence isn't satisfactory I'd like to at least give out some reads before I die. I disagree. There was no way that either hapa or myself would have lynched vivax. And idk why it would have made sense for you to do that as scum. You shouldn't have done it/ | ||
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On March 08 2013 18:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also thrawn, your reasons for calling Mr. CC and Dandel Ion town are extremely weak and it makes me suspicious of you. Saying "it's not these guys" implies a degree of certainty for which those things are too easy to fake, especially Dandel's comment. That was just a comment to support fairness in the game which I considered making myself but decided not to. Your post makes me suspicious. well those aren't the entirety of my reasoning for thinking their town but whatever, i'm more interested in who you want to lynch | ||
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step 1: lurk like scum thrawn and get everyone to call me scum step 2: lynch the scummiest person who says I'm scum (jay) step 3: wake up hungover and still a little high only to discover that somehow vivax got lynched... wtf was that, jeez step 4: lynch the person who had a townread on the guy he hammered | ||
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On March 08 2013 02:31 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote Artanis this vote had no chance of affecting the lynch and hapa must have known it at the time. i think it was him telling us who to lynch after he inevitably gets nk'd | ||
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On March 09 2013 02:14 Promethelax wrote: I'm pretty sure you are green Artanis. Your meta suggests it strongly. As hapa said in haunted and in LI you were lurker extraordinaire where as here you care and are trying to find scum, you are active, interested and for now I'm sticking with my green read on you. I have some rules for today. 1) No one gets to hammer until I say so, we're not having a day without discussion again. I thought I was going to have to fight tooth and nail for the Vivax lynch yesterday but instead he got hammered while I was writing the second part of my case. 2)The lynch is between Dan and CC. Thrawn, you and I are having a long talk post game about your reads. 3) Dan and CC, you both need to make a case on the other one. 4) I will provide my case on the one I feel is scummier in 15-16 hours when I get back from work. all hail the mighty prom who bet his love life that vivax was scum prom how's this? we lynch artanis today, then dandel next if artanis is green? i might be persuaded to do it the other way around but it's not likely | ||
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D1: doesn't talk about jay except for his last post in D1, which basically said "jay looks bad but lets give him time to imrpove" D2: had a town read on vivax, hammered vivax | ||
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if this is a mislynch, whoever is left DO NOT lynch prom or CC. DON'T DO IT! | ||
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Prom My strongest town read. My late town read on him in D1 hasn't really changed over the course of the game. I still think his early game is scummy, but if I compare the reasons why I thought he was scum in this game, with the reasons I've mistakenly thought he was scum in the past, they are pretty much the same. Not scum, just angry town. Mr CC/Dandel I'm grouping these two together because I've thought of their play being almost identical all game. The only difference is that CC has provided reasoning for his reads and he's been more useful than Dandel overall. Dandel's fuckassery suggests that he;s town, but he's provided almost nothing other that you can use to read him. If we lynch Artanis and he flips green, having both Dandel and CC in the endgame will be troublesome. That's maybe the only part of me that doesn't want to lynch Artanis.... to avoid having unreadable people in endgame. So I'm a little nullish on both of them.... leaning slightly scummy for Dandel and mildly townie for CC. The CC read is stronger than the Dandel read Artanis I've already said enough about him. He's already stated that his hammer makes no sense from a scum perspective but I say that it makes as little sense from a town perspective. He doesn't seem to be actually doing much this cycle despite being fairly active... he's engaging in conversation with people but he seems like he's just biding his time, waiting for everyone to agree on a mislynch. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:39 Dandel Ion wrote: For grand emphasis ##Vote: Artanis this vote's convinced me to lynch dandel, here are the reasons 1: much rather have to pick from artanis/prom/CC than dandel/CC/prom if this is a mislynch 2: dandel's played this phase less trolly than the others so far, but still has provided the same amount of useful posts (read: none) which suggests he's trying to appear useful without actually being useful 3: he seems way to eager to jump on the artanis bandwagon after I revoted artanis 4: so that dandel will never play like this again regardless of his alignment ##Vote: Dandel Ion | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:37 Dandel Ion wrote: You can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong, whatever. But today we should lynch Artanis. Hue. also this is complete bullshit. if we mislynch today, WE CAN'T MISLYNCH TOMORROW..... so why would a town dandel offer himself up to be lynched? | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:53 Dandel Ion wrote: Cuz I'm so convinced of course. Artanis just trying to get out on his BS wifom. You can still lynch him tomorrow too, I'm just worried you'll stop thinking and lynch CC instead. wat? you said "lynch artanis today, and me tomorrow if artanis is green" when tomorrow is mylo, that's a scum claim if I ever saw one | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Glad to see it Thrawn. I'm happy with a Dandel lynch but I want to wait for Prome to post before hammering him in case we're wrong. eh I'm sober now for the first time this game so my level of "care" rose about 90% I do NOT want dandel in mylo.... plus I think he just scumclaimed | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:08 Dandel Ion wrote: Artanis is not town, so no need to worry. You should lynch Artanis because he's scum. if that's all you're willing to give me then... fuck off i guess lol. to put it nicely. | ||
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so yeah, i'm feeling pretty confident about this lynch. dandel isn't even playing the game at this point. He saw me revote artanis, thought "ah the mislynch has finally arrived." But now that the gun is pointed at dandel's head instead of artanis', he's gone and shat himself | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:22 Dandel Ion wrote: oh wow, you really do think yourself very important, don't you? lol prove your innocence. hammer yourself | ||
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jlXnQEgbuw I suggest everyone just chill for now and we wait to see what Prom/CC think | ||
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Why do you want to lynch artanis, and WHO IS SCUM, IF ARTANIS IS TOWN? | ||
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like fuck, he's being deliberately ANTI-TOWN when the game is pretty tense and close. it smells of kush's scumslip and his later descent into madness in that one newbie | ||
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hammer gogo i wish to argue with you about how much credit you're trying to take. however we must lynch scum so lets save that convo for post-game | ||
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sorry to artanis/dan for being an ass but that's how I pressure people sometimes. you have to get people emotionally involved to see their true intentions prom you know i will always call you scum no matter my alignment <3 | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Agreed, Hapa. My hammer of Vivax was bad and I know it, but I made the decision in an instant. It went exactly as I described ingame. Also Thrawn, I don't think you were being an ass, I just don't think you were invested in the game up until D3 and didn't bother reading the game properly until Prome motivated you to do so. It was very frustrating playing with you, Cheese and Dandel when you really seem to put in no effort in your posts for the longest time, and it works very demotivating. hmm. D1 my play wasn't great, but I did end up with correct reads. (changing my read on prom from scum to town, and jay being scum) D2 I was wanting either an artanis or a dandel lynch, and I went to sleep and woke up to find that vivax had been lynched. had i been there I would have argued strongly against the lynch. so i'm not sure what I could have done to be more useful in D2 aside from not passing out for 12+ hours. my d3 start was.... maybe not ideal from your perspective, but I was really just trying to see if you were scum or not. i sorta did the same thing with dandel during d2... be extremely uncooperative with a person who is accusing or questioning me, and then judge their alignment based off of their reaction. you and dandel reacted completely differently... in d2 when I was an ass to dandel, he shut up and didn't question me further. in d3 he went crazy. but you hung in there despite me being extremely annoying which is what caused me to change my reads d3 | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:18 Dandel Ion wrote: I really hope you don't really think that was a scumtell. Cuz it's just as wrong as Hapa calling me town for trollvoting DrH because it was "too brave" or whatever heuristic he used. It's just how I roll. What I said to you ingame is true, if you won't answer a straight question first time, you won't do it second time either. No need to waste time on it. yeah but you didn't even try to make a case against me, or ask other people what they thought of how i was playing, or anything. you simply dropped the issue entirely. it read as you not caring enough to push your read | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, just reading the thread and getting reads off that is easy, actually doing analysis on players and posting it and trying to convince others, using meta, etc. is something else and it's not something you bothered with. When I did do so and people barely/didn't respond to it and still happily voted for me, it doesn't particularly make the game very fun. yeah I guess it's a debate over the importance of appearing townie. my town play used to be very townie.. my posts were long and full of analysis/quotes etc. it didn't do me any good though, i would overthink the game and end up with TERRIBLE reads all game long which often ended up with me getting mislynched near endgame. i tried playing 'less townie' in This Town Ain't Big Enough and my reads were better in that game than they usually are. That being said, it didn't take a genius to figure out who was scum in that game so it might not be the best evidence. But it worked, so I tried the same thing this game and it went pretty well imo. I wasn't concerned in the slightest about being mislynched. I had very strong town reads on hapa/prom, and I trusted that as long as one of them was still in the game they would be able to read me and convince everyone else not to lynch me. Had I felt more pressure I probably would have made longer posts and stuff like that. Here's the thought process: You are town, and you know you are town. You start off by playing in a way that sets yourself up to come under a lot of fire. Then you look at all the people who are accusing you and try to figure out which of them are genuinely trying to figure out your alignment, and which of them are taking the easy way out by voting for "lynchbait." Last game it was keir, and this game it was jay. It's kinda interesting that they both used the same arguments to accuse me.... my meta. Neither were concerned with what my actual posts said or what my reads are, they were both happy to condemn me base on meta alone while other people in the game said I was suspicious, but they weren't solely concerned with the meta argument. A lot of people will say that that's a terrible way to play because it's selfish and puts the other townies in a bad position and I agree with that. I probably won't do stuff like that again, but it was fun in these two games. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 09 2013 10:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If playing "more townie" made you a worse townie then you're confused about what being a good townie is. I think the way you played this game is find, people find methods of scumhunting that work for them but you need to make it very clear to people what you are trying to do. If you had made a post like this during the actual game, I would have been pretty much convinced that you're real town. I also tend to get caught up in second guesses when my super aggressive play tends to lead me in the right direction more than my levelheaded inquisitive one does. The trick is finding out what works about that aggression and employing it in a way that doesn't hurt town at all. At what point in the game does it make sense to say "I was trying to match my lurky scum meta on purpose?" Say I roll town, and I start off D1 by lurking again. It creates a bunch of wifom about whether I'm really town, or scum trying to cash in on other people's memories of the time I rolled town and intentionally matched my scum meta. Admitting that I was playing intentionally scummy on purpose means that it's no longer a viable tactic...... Which is why I can't ever do it again, lol. inb4 miller claim jokes | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
is there going to be a post-game write up or anything like that? | ||
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