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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 09 2013 08:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: i knew artanis looked too townie. dandel still sexy how anyone thought i would bus jay like that, i dontknw Kinda looked like Jay had given up, therefore it would have made sense for a teammate to bus him. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
sorry to artanis/dan for being an ass but that's how I pressure people sometimes. you have to get people emotionally involved to see their true intentions prom you know i will always call you scum no matter my alignment <3 | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Fortunately things ended well, but that doesn't change the fact that lynches should never be rushed like that in this type of format. ESPECIALLY with the silent night setup. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Also Thrawn, I don't think you were being an ass, I just don't think you were invested in the game up until D3 and didn't bother reading the game properly until Prome motivated you to do so. It was very frustrating playing with you, Cheese and Dandel when you really seem to put in no effort in your posts for the longest time, and it works very demotivating. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: When things go on too long townies start second guessing and you end up with split wagons. I was fine the way Day 1 ended, jay clearly had p much given up on defending himself and going too much longer could have ended up in the death of Vivax or Artanis that day. I've played a bunch instant-lynch mini's, and I've never ran into that problem. A deliberately long Day 1 almost always sets up really well for the rest of the game. In fact you want townies to be second-guessing themselves, because quite often you'll have a townie on the lynch-block. Fast, emotional decisions are too much of a coin-flip. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Agreed, Hapa. My hammer of Vivax was bad and I know it, but I made the decision in an instant. It went exactly as I described ingame. Also Thrawn, I don't think you were being an ass, I just don't think you were invested in the game up until D3 and didn't bother reading the game properly until Prome motivated you to do so. It was very frustrating playing with you, Cheese and Dandel when you really seem to put in no effort in your posts for the longest time, and it works very demotivating. hmm. D1 my play wasn't great, but I did end up with correct reads. (changing my read on prom from scum to town, and jay being scum) D2 I was wanting either an artanis or a dandel lynch, and I went to sleep and woke up to find that vivax had been lynched. had i been there I would have argued strongly against the lynch. so i'm not sure what I could have done to be more useful in D2 aside from not passing out for 12+ hours. my d3 start was.... maybe not ideal from your perspective, but I was really just trying to see if you were scum or not. i sorta did the same thing with dandel during d2... be extremely uncooperative with a person who is accusing or questioning me, and then judge their alignment based off of their reaction. you and dandel reacted completely differently... in d2 when I was an ass to dandel, he shut up and didn't question me further. in d3 he went crazy. but you hung in there despite me being extremely annoying which is what caused me to change my reads d3 | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:15 thrawn2112 wrote: hmm. D1 my play wasn't great, but I did end up with correct reads. (changing my read on prom from scum to town, and jay being scum) D2 I was wanting either an artanis or a dandel lynch, and I went to sleep and woke up to find that vivax had been lynched. had i been there I would have argued strongly against the lynch. so i'm not sure what I could have done to be more useful in D2 aside from not passing out for 12+ hours. my d3 start was.... maybe not ideal from your perspective, but I was really just trying to see if you were scum or not. i sorta did the same thing with dandel during d2... be extremely uncooperative with a person who is accusing or questioning me, and then judge their alignment based off of their reaction. you and dandel reacted completely differently... in d2 when I was an ass to dandel, he shut up and didn't question me further. in d3 he went crazy. but you hung in there despite me being extremely annoying which is what caused me to change my reads d3 I really hope you don't really think that was a scumtell. Cuz it's just as wrong as Hapa calling me town for trollvoting DrH because it was "too brave" or whatever heuristic he used. It's just how I roll. What I said to you ingame is true, if you won't answer a straight question first time, you won't do it second time either. No need to waste time on it. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:18 Dandel Ion wrote: I really hope you don't really think that was a scumtell. Cuz it's just as wrong as Hapa calling me town for trollvoting DrH because it was "too brave" or whatever heuristic he used. It's just how I roll. What I said to you ingame is true, if you won't answer a straight question first time, you won't do it second time either. No need to waste time on it. yeah but you didn't even try to make a case against me, or ask other people what they thought of how i was playing, or anything. you simply dropped the issue entirely. it read as you not caring enough to push your read | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I've played few minis so I'll take your word on that. I tend to get less confident over time. My early reads are usually the most accurate. Yeah the funny thing about long days is that instead of being this long, indecisive circle of reads, there reaches a point (about 72 hours in) where townies just go "fuck it, let's just kill someone." Far from being indecisive, a town will be very decisive later in a day just for the sake of moving on. While on the surface it sounds like a bad thing, it's at that point that you can get so much information about player mentalities. A long day also puts an incredible amount of pressure on scum to keep their interest in the thread. You can really grind down a scum-player with a long day, to the point where their diminished interest level will become pretty obvious. tl;dr - masochism is a winning strategy | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
€: It also sucks in other setups too, but not quite as much | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:15 thrawn2112 wrote: hmm. D1 my play wasn't great, but I did end up with correct reads. (changing my read on prom from scum to town, and jay being scum) D2 I was wanting either an artanis or a dandel lynch, and I went to sleep and woke up to find that vivax had been lynched. had i been there I would have argued strongly against the lynch. so i'm not sure what I could have done to be more useful in D2 aside from not passing out for 12+ hours. my d3 start was.... maybe not ideal from your perspective, but I was really just trying to see if you were scum or not. i sorta did the same thing with dandel during d2... be extremely uncooperative with a person who is accusing or questioning me, and then judge their alignment based off of their reaction. you and dandel reacted completely differently... in d2 when I was an ass to dandel, he shut up and didn't question me further. in d3 he went crazy. but you hung in there despite me being extremely annoying which is what caused me to change my reads d3 Well, just reading the thread and getting reads off that is easy, actually doing analysis on players and posting it and trying to convince others, using meta, etc. is something else and it's not something you bothered with. When I did do so and people barely/didn't respond to it and still happily voted for me, it doesn't particularly make the game very fun. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:26 Dandel Ion wrote: That's why rolling scum really fucking sucks in that setup. €: It also sucks in other setups too, but not quite as much Well yes and no. This setup is extremely unforgiving to passive scum-play in a reasonably active town. However, active-scumplay is extremely powerful, since you can end days early by pushing a mislynch. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:30 Hapahauli wrote: Well yes and no. This setup is extremely unforgiving to passive scum-play in a reasonably active town. However, active-scumplay is extremely powerful, since you can end days early by pushing a mislynch. Well our team was me. And jay. .. Go figure which category that'll be in. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
I'm hosting a similar setup with only 1 doctor in a week or so, though in future iterations, I might randomly generate 0-1 blue roles. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Well, just reading the thread and getting reads off that is easy, actually doing analysis on players and posting it and trying to convince others, using meta, etc. is something else and it's not something you bothered with. When I did do so and people barely/didn't respond to it and still happily voted for me, it doesn't particularly make the game very fun. yeah I guess it's a debate over the importance of appearing townie. my town play used to be very townie.. my posts were long and full of analysis/quotes etc. it didn't do me any good though, i would overthink the game and end up with TERRIBLE reads all game long which often ended up with me getting mislynched near endgame. i tried playing 'less townie' in This Town Ain't Big Enough and my reads were better in that game than they usually are. That being said, it didn't take a genius to figure out who was scum in that game so it might not be the best evidence. But it worked, so I tried the same thing this game and it went pretty well imo. I wasn't concerned in the slightest about being mislynched. I had very strong town reads on hapa/prom, and I trusted that as long as one of them was still in the game they would be able to read me and convince everyone else not to lynch me. Had I felt more pressure I probably would have made longer posts and stuff like that. Here's the thought process: You are town, and you know you are town. You start off by playing in a way that sets yourself up to come under a lot of fire. Then you look at all the people who are accusing you and try to figure out which of them are genuinely trying to figure out your alignment, and which of them are taking the easy way out by voting for "lynchbait." Last game it was keir, and this game it was jay. It's kinda interesting that they both used the same arguments to accuse me.... my meta. Neither were concerned with what my actual posts said or what my reads are, they were both happy to condemn me base on meta alone while other people in the game said I was suspicious, but they weren't solely concerned with the meta argument. A lot of people will say that that's a terrible way to play because it's selfish and puts the other townies in a bad position and I agree with that. I probably won't do stuff like that again, but it was fun in these two games. | ||
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Vivax
22068 Posts
Also yes setup was hard for scum with two confirmed townies who were strong players especially. I don't see the use for a mafia roleblocker here. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I also tend to get caught up in second guesses when my super aggressive play tends to lead me in the right direction more than my levelheaded inquisitive one does. The trick is finding out what works about that aggression and employing it in a way that doesn't hurt town at all. | ||
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