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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On March 06 2013 04:45 Promethelax wrote: no, your non-committal sheeping of a weak town player gave me strong town vibes... I also agree with Cheese. I don't find anything wrong with that. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
care to make a comment which is not retarded? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On March 06 2013 04:47 Promethelax wrote: like you as a player =/= like you as a friend. care to make a comment which is not retarded? No not really. I'd care to lynch you though. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
The wagon of justice is placed on Artanis today. Lynch the scum. There are no excuses [/iamp] | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
The wagon of justice is placed on Artanis today Lynch the scum There are no excuses [/iamp] | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
##Vote: Promethelax | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On March 06 2013 04:42 Vivax wrote: 1) The only rationale was: I just finished reading the game, had no real scumread and threw down a vote on a guy who didn't post in the game yet before going to uni. Don't think he posted before since the game started. 2) Feel free to answer this question if you like but even talking about this seems so stupid I will just leave that as optional for you. Since when? When I feel like pressuring people, problem amigo? Because it's a massive difference in psychology. A FoS is vastly different from a vote in terms of confidence. A FoS indicates you don't really want to vote them yet, but are suspicious of them. A vote indicates a greater degree of certainty. The fact that you went from a FoS to a vote with nothing happening in between shows that you realized your lapse of logic in the meantime and tried to salvage the situation by voting on me and hoping no one would notice. It's a subconscious thing. I just checked if you used it before. You did so once, when you were scum., and once when you were town. The difference is, in the scum game you changed your mind an hour and a half in. In the town game, you changed your mind over the course of two days and didn't even end up voting for the guys you FoSed. Your current meta matches up with your scum game, and not your town game. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Well that makes it more iampy doesn't it. I had to lend iamp's power for this one. To add something more substantial to this: I'll make a recap of what I found scummy about artanis.
Will post arguments for why I think Hapa is town where Artanis said he saw buddying and also why the way of Artanis attacking that post was scummy when I feel like and when I got enough feedback on Arta. In the meantime, discussing whether a FoS is a massive difference in psychology like Artanis wants me to is so abysmal I refuse to do that. He confirmed by himself I used that as both alignments and
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:05 Vivax wrote: Oh shit doublepost sorry BH have mercy please please. Well that makes it more iampy doesn't it. I had to lend iamp's power for this one. To add something more substantial to this: I'll make a recap of what I found scummy about artanis. [*] Enters the thread first joking then immediately going serious mode on Hapa. [*] Posts something about Hapa that actually made him likely town in my eyes and calls it buddying, not giving out townreads. [*] You can only call it buddying when you think/know the people he gave townreads to are town. In totes, I disliked the whole buddying argument. I did not read my alignment yet before these points. I also don't consider them anti-town. I entered the thread jokingly, then realized a bunch of people had already posted and people might react negatively to me for it. Regardless of your alignment, you do not want to get lynched so I started to actually read after that. Also, when you post town reads, in my eyes you're buddying up to them. Look look how townie I think you are do you think I'm townie too please say yes [*] He reacted strongly defensive to a simple FoS and my following posts and didn't actively tried to persuade me that Hapa's actions were scummy. I'm a defensive player. You were in Fruity Mafia, you saw how much time I spent looking as confirmed as possible. I was town. [*] When asked about his stance on Hapa he didn't want to commit and I read that as fearful. Why does he ask Hapa questions about something if he doesn't think it's scummy? I thought it was strange at first, that's why I brought it up. Later, I realized that posting something like that this fearlessly weighs up to the buddying. [*] He sheeps Hapa's bad argument against me "Oh I didn't see that point before"-style, that looks convenient and not like he sincerely reads me as scum. That it's a bad argument is your opinion. I think it's a strong one, and I'm not the only one that sees it that way. What a surprise that the person whose being accused things his accusation is poor. Will post arguments for why I think Hapa is town where Artanis said he saw buddying and also why the way of Artanis attacking that post was scummy when I feel like and when I got enough feedback on Arta. What are you even saying here? In the meantime, discussing whether a FoS is a massive difference in psychology like Artanis wants me to is so abysmal I refuse to do that. He confirmed by himself I used that as both alignments and [*] Bends that to his purposes of calling me scum by noticing irrelevant differences. Yeah, because those timings are completely irrelevant. They are key differences and show the difference in mindset between the two games. You're showing the mindset you had in the scumgame in this game. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 06 2013 04:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because it's a massive difference in psychology. A FoS is vastly different from a vote in terms of confidence. A FoS indicates you don't really want to vote them yet, but are suspicious of them. A vote indicates a greater degree of certainty. The fact that you went from a FoS to a vote with nothing happening in between shows that you realized your lapse of logic in the meantime and tried to salvage the situation by voting on me and hoping no one would notice. It's a subconscious thing. I just checked if you used it before. You did so once, when you were scum., and once when you were town. The difference is, in the scum game you changed your mind an hour and a half in. In the town game, you changed your mind over the course of two days and didn't even end up voting for the guys you FoSed. Your current meta matches up with your scum game, and not your town game. When I mentioned the Vivax "FoS" thing, he went through all his games and found all the instances of that in Vivax's meta. That's far too much :effort: for scum. Scum would accept my allegation as 100% true rather than such a specific filter dig. | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
Would you have a problem if we lynch Prom today? On March 06 2013 04:35 Promethelax wrote: Vivax, why do you prefer a vote on jay over a vote on Artanis? Can you walk me through a quick thought process on why Jay's lurking is scummier than Artanis picking up on something you think is a bad tell. Also: go ahead and say it. Why am I town? There's this question pending. I didn't say you're town I said you did something that put you below jay: You asked Artanis if he had another scumread besides me but then refused to comment on what's going on between us so far despite you asking both of us questions. That does make you scummy cause appearing interested on the surface but disinterested in the substance. Artanis we lynch Prom today do you disagree? ##Unvote ##Vote Promethelax | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
I'm going to have to process this jump and place it somewhere first. I just wut | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Vivax
21978 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote: For the record, I would bet my left nut that Artanis is town at this point. When I mentioned the Vivax "FoS" thing, he went through all his games and found all the instances of that in Vivax's meta. That's far too much :effort: for scum. Scum would accept my allegation as 100% true rather than such a specific filter dig. That's incorrect, I do things that show effort as scum too, I dig up meta and post notes and shit. What we see here is just an effort to ride on an awful points trying to imply I'm scum based on a time difference between a FoS and a vote which is so ridiculous I don't want to discuss the basic flaws of it like Artanis wants me to. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
-Dandel 2013 | ||
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Vivax
21978 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote: Am I not allowed to treat my scumreads nicely and ask them if they agree with a course of action? No, but it's a fucking odd emotional 180. "U R SCUM ARTANIS U HAD IT OUT FOR ME ALL GAME" to... "Would you like to vote Prome plz?" | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:35 Vivax wrote: Am I not allowed to treat my scumreads nicely and ask them if they agree with a course of action? I like it generally, but it's not characteristic of you. You don't normally board the loveboat. It's so weird seeing you on it. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On March 06 2013 05:34 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote: For the record, I would bet my left nut that Artanis is town at this point. When I mentioned the Vivax "FoS" thing, he went through all his games and found all the instances of that in Vivax's meta. That's far too much :effort: for scum. Scum would accept my allegation as 100% true rather than such a specific filter dig. That's incorrect, I do things that show effort as scum too, I dig up meta and post notes and shit. What we see here is just an effort to ride on an awful points trying to imply I'm scum based on a time difference between a FoS and a vote which is so ridiculous I don't want to discuss the basic flaws of it like Artanis wants me to. It's not just the time difference, it's that nothing changed between the FoS and the vote yet you changed from a FoS to a vote, which collaborated with your scum game which played out very similarly, yet not with your town game. That you don't grasp this simple concept is beyond me, and using the "it's so dumb I won't even address it" argument is not going to work for you here. I still have no clue how to read the sudden change. | ||
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