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My scum read on yamato is even stronger now. Take out the Kurumi shot out of his filter and what you are left with is a bunch of one liners throwing doubt and pointing fingers at everyone. Not only that, there is absolutely no consistency with his reads at all. Multiple times he calls slOosh and Cora scum and they get left out of his final reads, he bothers to put in a post detailing people he would liked lynched yet doesn't move his vote on WBG, indicating he doesn't really care if crossfire were to die (does yam think he is town? scum? who knows?). That plus the problems I have concerning his role usage => this dude is scum.
People think otherwise about the role usage: I invite those people to look into his filter (aside from the role stuff) and tell me what they think. Marv I think you mentioned his meta - I'm most familiar with town yamato from Nomination, where he carried town at the end. Dunno his scum meta, but clearly he can play decent town (posting wise and whatnot).
I'll be taking this night to review stuff I missed during the day. Still gonna tunnel yamato though unless people can provide more than "yam's balls too small for that". If you want opinions on specific things ask and I'll address them when I can.
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On March 12 2013 13:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 13:30 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 14:55 Mocsta wrote:
tl;dr
You throw shit over my case on you, using ad-hominem arguments.
You then proceed to ignore my case, by developing said case against yamato.
The case against yamato is sub-par; much like your justification to vote him, and your reasons to immediately tunnel him.
OK, so I give you some conviction points for sticking to your guns; but overall, the effort looks lazy with hastily conjured points to boot.
I don't like -at all- Yamato Kill action of a mod-confirmed town; but you, cDgCorazon; are still my top scum read. I did not throw shit on your case against me. Everything you had attacked me about (my reaction to BnS and tunneling Yamato) was stuff that others had attacked me about as well and that I had answered already. Most of your case was stuff I had answered too already, so I basically went and told you to read my filter. It's not "You don't like the case because it's sub-par" It's "The case is sub-par because you do not like it". You're basically defending Yamato by attacking me and completely ignoring my points, just using stuff I said in Duel Mafia to try to make it look like I am contradicting myself. On the topic of Duel Mafia, I never said anywhere that I had a town read on Oats in duel mafia. I had attacked him early on in the game before it because apparent that there were people way obviously scummier than him. So don't say I thought Oats was town in that game. You are free to not like my case, but you are not free to use your opinion on the case to call me scum. Perhaps it never occurred to you: that I didn't think the answers in your filter are sufficient. That you do, suggests we are at an impasse. When I get back from HotS. I will re-read over your filter answers, and communicate my issues with your play (i.e. why I think you are scummy) with a different approach.
Perhaps if you had communicated that in a better way (aka saying which things in my filter did not answer Vivax's and Marv's questions properly) instead of simply rephrasing their questions could've been more beneficial to the both of us.
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On March 12 2013 13:53 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 13:50 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 13:30 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 14:55 Mocsta wrote:
tl;dr
You throw shit over my case on you, using ad-hominem arguments.
You then proceed to ignore my case, by developing said case against yamato.
The case against yamato is sub-par; much like your justification to vote him, and your reasons to immediately tunnel him.
OK, so I give you some conviction points for sticking to your guns; but overall, the effort looks lazy with hastily conjured points to boot.
I don't like -at all- Yamato Kill action of a mod-confirmed town; but you, cDgCorazon; are still my top scum read. I did not throw shit on your case against me. Everything you had attacked me about (my reaction to BnS and tunneling Yamato) was stuff that others had attacked me about as well and that I had answered already. Most of your case was stuff I had answered too already, so I basically went and told you to read my filter. It's not "You don't like the case because it's sub-par" It's "The case is sub-par because you do not like it". You're basically defending Yamato by attacking me and completely ignoring my points, just using stuff I said in Duel Mafia to try to make it look like I am contradicting myself. On the topic of Duel Mafia, I never said anywhere that I had a town read on Oats in duel mafia. I had attacked him early on in the game before it because apparent that there were people way obviously scummier than him. So don't say I thought Oats was town in that game. You are free to not like my case, but you are not free to use your opinion on the case to call me scum. Perhaps it never occurred to you: that I didn't think the answers in your filter are sufficient. That you do, suggests we are at an impasse. When I get back from HotS. I will re-read over your filter answers, and communicate my issues with your play (i.e. why I think you are scummy) with a different approach. Perhaps if you had communicated that in a better way (aka saying which things in my filter did not answer Vivax's and Marv's questions properly) instead of simply rephrasing their questions could've been more beneficial to the both of us.
Thats a fuckn cheap shot, and precisely the type of behaviour which is why I think you are scum.
I case on you, was governed by items I found problematic in your play. It so happened that some others picked it up prior.
Didnt realise this game was a competition to identify scummy behaviour first...and then, that point is out of bounds for everyone else.
Wake up corazon.
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I'm going to make no excuses for the fact that my play is ass so far.
I realize my reads are shallow but they are my reads and it's all I have time for.
Perhaps some time in the next 24-48 hours I will have the time to explain things in clearer, more detailed terms.
What I will say is that upon in CURSORY look at all the shit that's happened in the last 30 or so pages in haven't read, Foolish needs to fucking die. Useless foolish who picks easy targets is fucking mafia. Look at LVIII or Parallel World. That's what I was getting at earlier.
If he's scum I think vivax is too. That Foolish opening post smelt like a weak bus.
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Scum knew Bugs was going to flip not scum. Scum have virtually no motivation to make a spectacle of switching at the last minute onto Vivax if he's townie, and definitely no scum motivation for switching onto him if he's scum.
Scenarios I can envision scum switching onto townVivax are few. Primarily among them though, to save scum who are on the block otherwise. Obviously not Bugs, but maybe one of Yamato/Crossfire. I unvoted Crossfire because he was here and willing to lynch Vivax, and Yamato because his recent posting has not been as scummy as his earlier posting. However, that leaves the question: which one and which switchers.
The question I'm interested in answering is: are there scum between Vivax, Yamato and Crossfire. This is the question I intend to answer overnight.
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And no, before you ask, I am not answering any more stupid fucking questions about my role. All you need to know is in my filter.
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On March 12 2013 14:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Scum knew Bugs was going to flip not scum. Scum have virtually no motivation to make a spectacle of switching at the last minute onto Vivax if he's townie, and definitely no scum motivation for switching onto him if he's scum.
Scenarios I can envision scum switching onto townVivax are few. Primarily among them though, to save scum who are on the block otherwise. Obviously not Bugs, but maybe one of Yamato/Crossfire. I unvoted Crossfire because he was here and willing to lynch Vivax, and Yamato because his recent posting has not been as scummy as his earlier posting. However, that leaves the question: which one and which switchers.
The question I'm interested in answering is: are there scum between Vivax, Yamato and Crossfire. This is the question I intend to answer overnight.
I can work with that direction. Sounds reasonable.
I will have a flick through what everyone said of xfire.. perhaps my reasons for his town read were flawed.. i really thought I read sincerity in his last couple of posts, but i guess, scum have an equal desire to avoid the lynch as well.
[fluff]
HotS is bullshit. After you install it, it needed a 2gb download to play. Pretty frustrating wait for a brand new game.
(But the campaign is OK so far)
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On March 12 2013 14:20 yamato77 wrote:
And no, before you ask, I am not answering any more stupid fucking questions about my role. All you need to know is in my filter.
I think we deserve to know how many more shitty vig shots you are going to take...
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How about I shoot you next, you overaggressive pile of uselessness?
What have you done this game but needlessly tunnel me and defend yourself?
Jack shit.
Get off your high horse and play the god damn game.
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On March 12 2013 14:32 yamato77 wrote:
Get off your high horse and play the god damn game.
After you.
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Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious 
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On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious
Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum?
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On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum?
Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie.
Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same.
Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you.
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On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you.
hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle.
With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax?
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On March 12 2013 16:05 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you. hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle. With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax?
Vivax ALL THE WAY.
Actually I dont know why Foolishness defended Vivax just by a short few lines of meta. Seems weird considering he wanted to lynch him earlier.
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On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you.
That makes no sense. I even gave adequate reasoning why Vivax is not mafia:
On March 12 2013 12:08 Foolishness wrote:No, there's only crappy evidence on why Vivax is mafia. When he's mafia, he spams one liners (with the very rare long post). See TL Mafia LX here. He's mafia and he literally did nothing day 1 except post one liners and derp around. Now look when he's town in British II here. He barely posts any one liners, and his posts have substance; he actually says what he thinks. He doesn't derp. And this game he doesn't have one liners and is clearly trying.
Do you want me to type out five nice paragraphs about why Vivax is not mafia?
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On March 12 2013 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:05 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you. hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle. With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax? Vivax ALL THE WAY. Actually I dont know why Foolishness defended Vivax just by a short few lines of meta. Seems weird considering he wanted to lynch him earlier.
I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof.
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On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote:
I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof.
I can accept that.
Thank fuck your not writing 5 paragraph stories anymore. Would be painful if every case you made had to be formatted like that.
So if your reads are evolving: what do you think of what VE proposed prior?
i.e. Do you think scum were trying to create multiple wagons - other than bugs.. or were content with him as a lynch?
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One of yam/xfire/vivax = scum?
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On March 12 2013 16:13 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 16:10 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 16:05 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 12 2013 15:37 Mocsta wrote:On March 12 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Still pretty sure Vivax is scum. Also that means that Foolishness is scum, which is hilarious Why does Vivax = scum => Foolishness MUST = scum? Cause I would assume that he is good enough to not try and defend someone who is scum/not so townie. Like if he read the two filters and called them different when in actual fact they are the same. Its kinda like if a chicken farmer tells you his chickens are fine, but in actual fact they arent, you know that the chicken farmer knew too and was lying to you. hmm.. well you can only have one lynch a cycle. With the information currently, do you prefer foolishness or vivax? Vivax ALL THE WAY. Actually I dont know why Foolishness defended Vivax just by a short few lines of meta. Seems weird considering he wanted to lynch him earlier. I was gone and made an accusation based on what I skimmed through the thread at the time. Then when I came back to push the case further I realized I was wrong when I analyzed him. Which should be obvious given that I gave the proof.
So who is scum Foolishness?
I just think its not really a very useful defense honestly.
It doesnt really help Vivax and all it does is make you look good.
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On March 12 2013 16:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
I just think its not really a very useful defense honestly.
It doesnt really help Vivax and all it does is make you look good.
if the defense is no good... how does it make foolishness look good?
im not sure vivax is an easy/direct meta read, so im not sold on the vivax defense.
but i do accept that his read changed throughout the cycle.
in the end, it appears we want the same thing from foolishness.
i.e. his revised scum read.
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