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On March 13 2013 02:23 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:54 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum. Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread. Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly. Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading. + Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +
Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.
Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.
Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.
Every bolded part is proof you didn't read this game. I didn't read the stuff after the lynch before posting today but you didn't even read early game holy shit. What's worse about this is that you forgive yamato for shooting a modconfirmed townie in your point of view and that makes even less sense than other derps/mafias saying he should stay alive. You are really calling me out for not having read parts of the thread when I have made it abundantly clear that I have not yet caught up on the thread?! Get your head out of your ass. Anyway, this was about the people calling Yamato scum BEFORE Yamato explained his role. What happened after his explanation I will figure out now. However, it still makes no sense from a "balance" PoV to give that role to scum.
It does make sense if he has to announce the shot like MZ did. But yamato said he doesn't have to. I already argued from that point of view on why the argument "yamato could have stayed invisible" doesn't hold.
Part of it is that he should have shut up as either alignment if he had been able to shoot Kurumi silently.
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On March 13 2013 02:25 Oatsmaster wrote:These are the only 3 posts by Foolishness about yamato. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 09:40 Foolishness wrote:
I'm sold.
##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: Yamato77 Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 09:44 Foolishness wrote:On March 12 2013 09:41 strongandbig wrote:
damn really? what am i missing here Actually, yamato makes a lot of sense. He's more trolly and abrasive when he's mafia. When I say that, I mean he's direct about his insults: "you're an asshat", etc. Refer to Fruity Mini Mafia to see this in action (when he's mafia). In Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia, he was town, and while his posting rate was the same, he wasn't as abrasive and didn't swear as much. More importantly, in that game he was actually helpful and contributing. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 18:20 Foolishness wrote:
Mafia don't need to create multiple wagons if none of them are under pressure. From what I see bugs was always top candidate and not many people were hard against his lynch. I don't really think there's much to gather from the lynch. If there were last minute swings and people sheeping on bandwagons sure, but meh from yesterday's lynch.
I still 100% support a yamato lynch. I am also on board a crossfire lynch. I was skeptical of him at first, but after seeing his reactions right before and after the lynch I will gladly kill him (I haven't thoroughly analyzed him like I have yamato or Vivax though). I dont really call this pushing. Also the switch to yamato comes at a time where the momentum was shifting to lynch yamato cause of his stupid play. However I would think that Foolishness knows to lynch scum and not stupid, and what yamato did was the epitome of a stupid play, not a scummy play. So I dont agree that Foolishness did ANYTHING.
There was no momentum to shift the lynch to yamato there were two people coming in wanting to lynch him : BC and Foolishness and I wanted to join them afterwards.
Also, the stuff you quote up there IS a push. Stop telling bullshitz
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On March 13 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax.
Do you note the difference in time?
So he votes for yamato at
9.40.
Then SnB asks him why, he explains.
at 9.44
Then his next post on the subject is 18.20.
Also inbetween, he is doing his nonsensical defense of you.
I do not call that pushing.
Tell me the time intervals he should have between his posts for you to be considered pushing.
Oats please don't be town, please.
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On March 13 2013 02:35 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 02:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax.
Do you note the difference in time?
So he votes for yamato at
9.40.
Then SnB asks him why, he explains.
at 9.44
Then his next post on the subject is 18.20.
Also inbetween, he is doing his nonsensical defense of you.
I do not call that pushing.
Tell me the time intervals he should have between his posts for you to be considered pushing. Oats please don't be town, please. The point is there is no continuation with his vote. He votes yamato and forgets about it. Also you only gave 1 scum read. Stop fucking ignoring it or give reasons why Foolishness is town other than he buddied you.
There is a continuation with his vote you quoted it yourself he comes in several hours later still backing a yamato lynch.
Foolishness IS pushing yamato, he's pushing scumreads and townreads your whole argument is paper.
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On March 13 2013 02:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
He pushed 1 town read.
Apathetically watched WBG get lynched with his vote on yamato.
Is this inaccurate?
He didn't spam up the thread asking for a yamato lynch, that would be accurate. But you initially said he didn't push anything, now you admit he did, so you should know that part of your argument for him being scum doesn't hold, don't you?
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On March 13 2013 00:45 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 00:38 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 00:33 yamato77 wrote:On March 13 2013 00:30 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 00:27 Mocsta wrote:On March 13 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote:yamato is a better lynch actually  Now this I disagree with outright. Anonymous vig claim holds for this cycle. Your whole town read on yamato is based onto his vig-claim? As said by me and S & B him claiming the shot beforehand was probably a requisite for his shot to work but he doesn't mention it as part of his role so people go around and say he's town for claiming it. It wasn't. If you could fucking read, it is an automatic function of my alignment check that I shoot town-aligned players. I don't know beforehand, and mafia roles don't get revealed or shot, I just get a PM saying they're mafia or third party. Stop misrepresenting what I've said about my role. Well that's even worse you used your role on a guy in the crossfire without asking him to stop trolling like I did or waiting some more to find out if he's actually scum. You actually justified your shot by saying that he martyred and had to die afterwards and not by saying that you wanted to check him while risking his death, meaning you justified afterwards that he died for trolling, not that he died cause you thought he was mafia and wanted to check him at the risk of him dying. So your whole motivation behind that shot doesn't add up in light of your role. It was one of the factors that I considered when I thought of the possibility of him being town, yes. I didn't know his alignment, and thought that even if he was town for this, it was not a great loss because of how he was playing. You should stop posting because I've said all this before. Fucking read.
Your role is more anti-town than anything. Already using it so early in the day on a player looking so bad at the time is scummy and only convenient for you.
You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check.
If you were town you'd be seriously stupid, but I know you aren't. Neither of both.[/QUOTE]
On March 13 2013 00:59 Vivax wrote:Had VE as scumread before the shot, but didn't shoot him.Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
LOL this game. Vivax maybe you can explain what about that post you didn't like? Maybe explain why it's scummy and why you want to lynch me? Yamato is just butthurt that I found him so fast, but what's your excuse? VE not reading, just lurking. Speak and he shall appear. Proof that yamato is scumShow nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. Yamato announces that the problem will be solved when he doesn't know if he gets a check back or Kurumi dies.
Yamato knew Kurumi would die and says he doesn't have to announce the shot in the thread but claimed it on his own - despite not knowing if he'll get a check back he says that "The problem will be solved".The actual announcement comes laterHis reaction after knowing Kurumi would die as town:
On March 13 2013 01:08 Vivax wrote:
Now, aside from the fact that yamato didn't shoot his "scumread", he didn't play as if he expected to get a check back on Kurumi no, he posted as if he knew he would get shot.
What if he had the chance to get a check back from Kurumi (like he should believe), why announce something beforehand when you don't know the outcome?
Let's assume he expected to get a red check back on Kurumi, would he announce it in the thread or wait for the outcome and only claim the shot if he hit green? In case he hit red he could simply push Kurumi or claim the check afterwards. In case of green he could have stayed silent or claimed it or whatever he wanted to, but he chose the stupid way, why? Explanation: For his role to work he had to play the shot like MZ played it.
He had to announce that he would shoot someone in the thread for his role to work, but refuses to admit it. Every other explanation doesn't make sense unless he's a massive derp.
On March 13 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 01:18 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 01:17 marvellosity wrote:
The Kurumi problem wouldn't be there, which is the problem yamato said he would solve.
yamato would still be there, yes, but that's a different kettle of fish. The problem he said he would "solve" before knowing from the host if Kurumi was scum or town? if he's scum we lynch him, if he's a martyring town, he gets shot. Problem solved in both scenarios? ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:46 Kurumi wrote:
okay so it seems I got a scum role and I am town
burn me because if I ever fucking turn mole I will throw something heavy out of my room
##vote Kurumi Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshat it's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now.
He chose to shoot Kurumi for martyring over his "scumread" VE in the arc of 13 minutes.
Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 11:31 yamato77 wrote:
I consent to any of Vivax, Super, Bugs, Foolish or Ver hanging
My vote will stay where it is because I only have time to type this post at work.
If I die, so be it, but I highly doubt you guys will be happy when you find out I lied about nothing Bugs was martyring, too but he pumps out a 5 guy list instead of going for Bugs who does the same as Kurumi. Kurumi martyring is a good enough reason to shoot him but Bugs doing that isn't a good enough reason to lynch him over 4 others? Inconsistent reasons, terrible role usage, indications of him knowing Kurumi's flip beforehand ( + general subjective scumminess).
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On March 13 2013 02:58 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 02:56 Vivax wrote:
You were willing to bet a townie life against a check that no one would believe cause it would have been a D1 check.
Why do you keep saying this? I don't understand it at all.
You mention a good point actually people might have believed the check despite being so early to incredible.
That's not the point however and you keep avoiding it.
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Ebwop: so early to look incredible.
Btw posting these posts will be the entirety of my D2 contributions so if you want to lynch me you can start by pushing for it now. I'm not loosening the bite until yamato bites the dust.
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Ooooh yamato thinks I'm scum but only defends himself and tells people to ignore me.
Now that's not how we know him to handle his scumreads.
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Marv might or might not be scum.
Just saying, see you tomorrow :p
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On March 12 2013 11:26 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, I am compelled to do this during the day. I was gonna make it super-awesome but I cba.
I'm blates a cop and I want to investigate Foolish and Ver n stuff.
There we go.
Move along, nothing to see here.
On March 12 2013 11:44 marvellosity wrote:
Apparently I have to say that I'm a parity cop with the aforementioned targets. Sadly this leaves me no wiggle room and is REALLY FUCKING DULL. YES I AM TALKING TO YOU.
Marv can you expand on this stuff to cast away some doubts I have before fucking off. Are you a parity cop that has to announce itself and you checked Ver and Foolish or what? I don't understand what's going on here.
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Look at what marv said, he seems to have been forced by the hosts to say that he's a parity cop and not just a cop so apparently he initially lied about his role O_o
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On March 13 2013 04:13 yamato77 wrote:
No one who is thinking thinks I'm mafia any more. I'm done doing things for the sake if defending myself. From here on out my focus is getting the scum lynched.
Meanwhile not mentioning a single scum he wants lynched.
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Well I don't care
justice is approaching
marv beware
And you Promethelax
Your trusted circle sucks
Join me in my pressure
and we'll find the red treasure
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On March 13 2013 04:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:12 Vivax wrote:
Look at what marv said, he seems to have been forced by the hosts to say that he's a parity cop and not just a cop so apparently he initially lied about his role O_o I have to announce my role and my targets. I was hoping to be fancy with it and be vague enough that mafia don't know exactly what I'm doing. Hence why I claimed cop, then claimed two targets, and said "and stuff" in a vague manner. Apparently my 2nd post might not even be acceptable either because I didn't put my targets with the exact reference parity cop, but I'm hoping I'll be allowed to get away with that one.
And why did you think it would be better for you to claim cop over parity cop? How did you think would it be better if scum though this?
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On March 13 2013 04:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 04:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:12 Vivax wrote:
Look at what marv said, he seems to have been forced by the hosts to say that he's a parity cop and not just a cop so apparently he initially lied about his role O_o I have to announce my role and my targets. I was hoping to be fancy with it and be vague enough that mafia don't know exactly what I'm doing. Hence why I claimed cop, then claimed two targets, and said "and stuff" in a vague manner. Apparently my 2nd post might not even be acceptable either because I didn't put my targets with the exact reference parity cop, but I'm hoping I'll be allowed to get away with that one. And why did you think it would be better for you to claim cop over parity cop? How did you think would it be better if scum though this? why don't you stop asking really stupid questions?
It's in your interest to answer me before I leave.
You are confirmed liar (: . Nice that you call Foolishness scum over a lie that is arguably not as bad as yours.
For some reason you wanted to appear as cop over parity cop which would appear more dangerous for scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to lie about it this way if you're town.
Scummarv claims cop → I can claim to have gotten any check back I wanted.
Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite[/spoiler]
Townmarv claims cop → I look more dangerous for scum and am at risk of getting RBd/killed. Also I won't actually know if someone is really scum after N1 even though I claimed I would.
Townmarv claims parity cop → Honest answer, town will know what it has to expect.
Summary: Townmarv wouldn't lie about being a cop over a parity cop.
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On March 13 2013 04:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:38 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 04:33 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:32 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2013 04:25 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 04:12 Vivax wrote:
Look at what marv said, he seems to have been forced by the hosts to say that he's a parity cop and not just a cop so apparently he initially lied about his role O_o I have to announce my role and my targets. I was hoping to be fancy with it and be vague enough that mafia don't know exactly what I'm doing. Hence why I claimed cop, then claimed two targets, and said "and stuff" in a vague manner. Apparently my 2nd post might not even be acceptable either because I didn't put my targets with the exact reference parity cop, but I'm hoping I'll be allowed to get away with that one. And why did you think it would be better for you to claim cop over parity cop? How did you think would it be better if scum though this? why don't you stop asking really stupid questions? It's in your interest to answer me before I leave. You are confirmed liar (: . Nice that you call Foolishness scum over a lie that is arguably not as bad as yours. For some reason you wanted to appear as cop over parity cop which would appear more dangerous for scum, so it doesn't make sense for you to lie about it this way if you're town. Scummarv claims cop → I can claim to have gotten any check back I wanted. Scummarv claims parity cop → My checks are limited and if one guy is of one alignment the other must be of the opposite Townmarv claims cop → I look more dangerous for scum and am at risk of getting RBd/killed. Also I won't actually know if someone is really scum after N1 even though I claimed I would. Townmarv claims parity cop → Honest answer, town will know what it has to expect. Summary: Townmarv wouldn't lie about being a cop over a parity cop. If you are somehow town, you are by far the worst player I have ever played with in all my games of mafia. By far. You are so atrocious it's unbelievable. How is saying parity cop over cop (hello, both cops) worse than using a lie to call someone mafia? what drugs are you smoking? what was my motivation for doing that as mafia? why am i doing it as town? maybe to try to be vague so mafia don't know EXACTLY what I'm doing? what the fuck is wrong with you? why are you questioning me on the specifics of my blue role at night? WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU DO THAT? If you're town, you actually need psychiatric help because you're fucking insane. [/spoiler]
Oh we're back to this Foolish didn't lie to call you mafia he allegedly lied to say he's not sure about you.
Marvybaby so mad  , ragequit like in LVIII please instead of spamming your one-liners
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On March 13 2013 04:41 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 04:39 austinmcc wrote:On March 13 2013 04:34 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 04:23 austinmcc wrote:On March 13 2013 04:20 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 02:51 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. I'm pretty wary of this argument. Just because it makes no sense, it doesn't mean that it's in fact not the case ;p there's enough other reasons to make a read of the situation one way or another without worrying whether a role makes sense for a particular alignment. Fine. I see no reason why scum would use an anonymous dayvig shot to take out Kurumi, when they could use it on any one of the high profile targets. I definitely see no reason why scum would CLAIM their anonymous dayvig shot after using it, especially if the only way it gets outed is if it is first confirmed to hit a townie. Even if you think the "balance" reason is not valid, the way it was used is completely stupid for scum. Scum doesn't shoot scumspect townies who are martyring themselves and shitting up the thread. They definitely don't announce that they are doing that: they know that player is a townie. Unless you've seen yamato's PM, you don't know if it's anonymous. There was no ##Shoot: Kurumi, but the "pro GF snipe" was a pretty clear reference to MZ's shot. It wasn't like we were confused as to who had shot once it happened. Kitaman's announcements only announced MZ, not that it was Yamato as MZ. It was therefore anonymous (there were no actions in the thread or vote thread). The check, yeah. But there was a long delay before the shot. And in the intervening time, yamato posted his pro GF snipe. I agree with poor choice, but everyone seems to be using different terminology to describe what happened and it's no good. We do not know whether it was anonymous or not. We can be more sure the check/announcement was anonymous, but there's a possibility the shot was triggered by the pro GF snipe comment. Nitpicky, but you're assuming something we don't know. If the shot was not anonymous and Yamato is scum, then scum has a mod-confirmed DT check. WHY WOULD SCUM EVER USE THIS?
Acro:
1. Yamato is likely not saying that he had to announce the shot for his role to work so certain jubjubs say that he's not scum for announcing his shot.
2. Me and some other dude immediately suspected yamato for being the killer after Kurumi's death precisely cause he announced he would solve the Kurumi problem even before he could know he was town.
So he wouldn't have stayed fully anonymous, people suspected it was him.
3. Even for the case he was town and didn't have to announce anything for the role to work, he should have kept everything to himself, waiting to see if he got a check on Kurumi back and then pushed him if it was red, in case of a wrong target he should have kept his mouth shut, would have been better for town.
4. Oh did I mention his scumread at the time was VE and it changed within 13 minutes after he saw Kurumi voting for himself?
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Anyway marv lied about his role and refuses to give reasons, there are no good reasons for him to lie about the role as town so likely scum.
When confronted with it he tries to draw a comparison with Foolish's lie instead of trying to explain how it would be more beneficial for him to lie about it as town with the excuse of it being night.
Bad excuse, scum knows his role his targets and the role is modconfirmed so marv is being scummarv and also very provocative. Kill it with fire.
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@ Marv
Stop nitpicking. It's stupid.
On March 13 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Lying alone isn't alignment indicative - it's the manner of the lie. He used the lie to push his agenda (herp I'm always wrong about marv) and that makes him scummy. Not the lie itself.
His agenda of being unsure about marv being scum?
Oh shit never thought about that.
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