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It's important that medics protect Foolishness tonight (he's not the only good one I would protect though) cause if you let one of the only guys die who is smart enough to actually see I'm town against VE's and marv's worrisome cases (they aren't this bad as town and just pushed a wagon on someone who wasn't scum after all) then this town deserves to lose. Him and a few others are your only hope do try to lynch me if you want but if you are a medic protect him. Most of you are probably guys who like to crawl up marv's butt that's natural, he plays to reach that objective but I remind you that this guy rolls scum too and that his reads are awful as scum. Suspecting me cause of responding to a question with a townread is part of that. If anything it can't be explained how marv and Hiro were so sure that the announcement made Kurumi confirmed town. They couldn't know where it came from, but they could know that Kurumi was indeed town. | ||
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On March 12 2013 20:19 marvellosity wrote: i have no idea why people are listening to foolish at all this game. he outried lied to put suspicion on me (said he was always suspicious of me when we played together), THEN lied again when i pulled him up (said we'd played town once), and THEN corrected his story once again to that he found me suspicious in the game I smurfed (LIX), which for the uneducated was the game I tunnelled 2 mafia Day 1, got elected and lynched a mafia, then lynched mafia every day It's piles upon piles of lies as an excuse to call me suspicious, and it's all fucking bullshit. He still hasn't explained WHY HE WOULD LIE ABOUT IT in order to call me suspicious. He said he thinks you're scum but he actually always thinks you're scum so I don't see how he's lying to put suspicion on you. You're making up things. He just says he isn't sure about his read on you. Don't see why would have to lie to say something like that it's not even to say that you're scum, it's actually a way of saying he doesn't know if you're scum. Ver might be a vig shot but prplhz is a better one he's actively useless and looks like the LIX prplhz. He also said Bugs "What you shot me over other assholes in the thread" so he knows he's playing like an asshole but doesn't want to change that, shoot him. I need to look at crossfire again though cause his posts before lynch don't look good but I just came back so I'll go for a more analytic approach. | ||
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@ S & B + Show Spoiler + On March 12 2013 21:48 strongandbig wrote: Hahahahaha But seriously Yamato you gotta put your money where your mouth is man, if you're town you're like mislynch target alpha for scum right now so starting to look townie is a pretty good option. Anyway I'm glad we didn't end up killing crossfire; his posting really shaped up after I left last night, and if I'd been around I would have switched off of him. Not sure onto who, probably vivax. The way this turned out does make the last minute switch guys look good, although not conclusively so (I have been in games where scum organized a last-minute switch from one townie onto another townie, confusing as fuck) I ended up being right about bugs being third party, but wrong about him being a jester or village idiot, so good news there too. This is a scummy thing to say would you tell to someone you're not sure of being town to start looking like he's town? Do you want to find out he's scum or do you want him to give you reasons to not believe he is? | ||
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On March 12 2013 21:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Prp is a good vig shot, Useless prp is scum prp. Also Vivax, how sure are you that Foolishness is town? Also directing blue roles is utterly NOT COOL. Look at his first post. I believe he chose me as scumread pretty much at random cause I'm a nice mislynch target, and VE followed it brainlessly, upon which Foolish asked him if he reads with his eyes or his mind. So yeah, it lured a few nice reactions (yours too I think you disappoint me Oats) Then he comes in and actually defends me against marv/Ve who are not willing to listen to one of the strongest players of this forum. Marv's arguments for lynching me suck from A-Z so I'm currently leaning scum on the guy, he also says wrong things about what Foolishness said about him as pointed out in my recent post. So well, based on him wanting to lynch yamato and defending me against players who are able to influence groupie-townies just with their name I'm pretty confident Foolish is town. If he wasn't he would be better off pushing my mislynch unison with the good-rep players. Then he didn't agree on the Bugs lynch when scum knew that Bugs was town/something else so he could have simply laid back and watch the lynch. As for the night actions you just made yourself ridiculous lol. Directing them is not cool but you ask for a prplhz shot yourself? | ||
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I skimmed the thread this morning before posting the post where I ask for medic protection on him so I must have missed that. Didn't even read properly yet cause I'm busy answering questions to Oats and calling S & B out. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:10 Dandel Ion wrote: The fuck is this shit Vivax. You're not this bad. I know you're not. Stop pretending to be. This is your first post since 12 hours wow are you roleplaying yourself in British II? | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:11 marvellosity wrote: why are you calling for medic protection on a CLAIMED LIAR and defending him as NOT A LIAR if you've NOT EVEN READ HIS FUCKING POSTS? Cause I didn't read his post but have him as town cause of his earlier actions before he claimed the lie. Simple answer. I still would want him protected after lying cause it's so insignificant. Not going to doubt he's town for now. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I said he is a good shot, like 5 other people. big whoop. You are basically asking for protection, for a person you arent even sure of as town. Defending mislynchable townies isnt a towntell at all. Any player could do it. Also why the fuck does he also wanting to lynch your target a town tell? Again all these things just make you feel good. *Oh foolishness is defending me he must be town. Oh he is voting for the same person Im voting for? OH MY I JUST LED FOOLISHNESS ONTO A LYNCH!!!!* so yeah. Oh it's cool you know I'm town  | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Oh its cool that you totally ignored the meat of that message and choosed to focus on the littlest bit in your favor. Cute. You scumslipped you don't have me as town in your reads. Shoot Oats or lynch him tomorrow | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:28 iamperfection wrote: Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it Iamp I would like to add something: scum have motivation to switch a lynch from a townie who's likely to get lynched to another townie so they can claim to not have been on the wrong wagon once townie 1 gets lynched. In VE's and marv's case they were strong endorsers of the Bugs wagon initially but jumped off it to switch to crossfire or me. Crossfire I had as town but I'm not sure on yet but I think I'll roll with town cause there are scummier people currently, and I am town. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Again kinda cute. But its getting old. I am assuming you are town in that paragraph because you have given foolishness a town read cause you are town. So from the perspective that you displayed, I am saying why its totally wrong. Any other 'scumslips'? Well let's put the scumslip aside for now then and affront your argument: I think Foolishness is town and your argument is not going to change anything about it, if you think I'm scum then why are you trying to dissuade me from saying Foolishness is town? | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:37 Mocsta wrote: Vivax You have a hard-on for Foolishness because he was the only one that defended your 'town' honour. Consider this... already he "knew" you were town.. actually makes a bit of sense. One of the best TL Mafia players comes in Now, whether my "tale" is true or not. i dont know. You will have to ask foolishness. But when the a majority of the thread is against you, and guy defends you SOLELY on meta... i think thats concerning. You're one of the most unpredictable guys on this forum, and by virtue one of the hardest to read on meta.. yet he does it having played one/two games with you?? Something is not adding up here. Well I think Foolish' initial post was a way of fishing for reactions since I'm subject to mislynches and scum pushing me and townies failing to read me, he had basically given zero reasoning for doing what he did and it lured two suspicious sheeps: VE and Oats quickly. Anyway Mocsta I'm not scum and I think marv is trying to push me in the foreground with all he's doing, not trying to determine if I'm scum. I know I'm loud and catch attention easily in negative ways but if you look at LX I managed to not get myself lynched until people figured out the play with the NKs, there is a reason I don't give a fuck early this game and it's cause I'm town. If you think I'm hard to read then I suggest you start from the safe assumption I'm town or put me as scum in your 4/5 list and we discuss other options, cause there's nothing productive coming out of me being in the crossfire and marv shoveling shit at me as of now. I discuss my reads openly and with no fear so it should become obvious in not much time that I'm not scum. | ||
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On March 12 2013 22:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Because my argument is wrong? But it isnt. Im trying to convince people that foolishness is scum, you are people right? Also to not fucking waste night actions on him. It's pretty scummy you are willing to risk one of the strongest town players to get NKd without even knowing what yamato's or my alignment is (and thus the validity of Foolishness' reads). He was right about not pushing Bugs, so that's one more in his favour over people like marv and VE. I would like to hear your arguments for why you think Foolish is scum cause it's not me you have to dissuade from protting him, it's the medics. | ||
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On the other hand after I flip town cause of that Foolish would look better for defending me early. So yeah maybe I'm a bit too fast on the Foolish read but I found his defense of me townie since I would have been a good mislynch candidate as well, if he kept pushing me together with marv and VE he could have gotten me killed but he didn't. I'll stick with town though cause there are scummier people than Foolish and losing him as town early is too big of a risk, if he's scum we will find out later anyway he's not the guy who can allow himself to make too many mistakes as town without being at danger of lynch. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:12 marvellosity wrote: Vivax, please answer my question. It's a very simple one. I already answered that I missed that part initially (I tend to read my scumread's filters not my townread's but I'm at Foolishness' right now it's not very big), but I don't give it much weight anyway cause him lying/make a mistake about earlier games when it's to express being unsure about a scumread on you doesn't look like a malicious intent. If he said he was sure about you being scum and backed it up with lies then it'd be another matter but in this case you're riding on a lie/mistake or whatever it was regarding a point that looks irrelevant for discussion to me. Who cares if he always thought you're scum when he was playing scum and only thought you were town when he was actually coaching the game when the whole point of saying it was that he didn't feel sure about his scumread on you. What's the mafia motivation you see here cause I don't. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote: The point is, you made a specific effort to discredit what I'd said about Foolish without checking either mine or his filter. Because if you'd have checked mine, then it would have been clear to you as well. I don't understand this at all from a town perspective. How can you claim I say wrong things when you've not even read what I've said. To be clear and repeat, you say marv also says wrong things about Foolishness as pointed out in my recent post. You're making a very specific claim here, one that's not backed up by you reading either of our filters. Why are you accusing me of making up things when I'm clearly not? If you've not read the thread or either of our filters properly, why are you accusing me of this? How can you possibly accuse me of this when you've not even read the relevant material? It's a very specific accusation you're making at me, that I'm making up things. Cause I didn't read things I thought you were making them up it happens when you tend to post compulsively based on not updated reads. Anyway I still lean scum on you that Foolishness thing is not the only reason but I'll post all my reasons when I see fit, for now I think arguing with you over these points only contributes to clogging up and serves no purpose cause you seem to be the only guy interested in them. Your filter is 12 pages almost all one-liners so that's already enough to deal with, did you get Bill Murray as role? | ||
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Guess his alignment 1 Guess his alignment 2 Guess it 3 | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:14 austinmcc wrote: Okay, read through what I've missed once. WHAT IS GOING ON!? I am not mayor. Boo. Vivax and marv are shitting up the thread. Boo. Vivax, you looked bad yesterday, but in a way that made me feel townie on you. I'm used to seeing you take crap on D1 as town, and it reminded me of games where that's happened. But all this crap with you and foolishness and marv is ridiculous. I'm going to throw away the bit where you didn't read posts, apparently, but made reads anyway. The part where you did not read posts, from a guy who doesn't have a lot of posts, but made reads anyway. One more time. The part of your read on Foolishness, the guy who hasn't been tremendously active, where you based your read on what you thought his posts might have said, but who cares because you don't need to read them. Instead, what is this? Within the last 5-10 pages, you (see above) based your read on Foolishness off what you thought his posts might have said. And now you're doing the same friggin thing. "I think Foolishness's initial post was this" when Foolishness said Foolishness - "I skimmed the thread and made an accusation that I realized was wrong when I went back and looked." Vivax - "I think Foolishness was trying to fish for reactions and he caught these two people." You always look scummy, but this is just straight out making stuff up and not listening to reason when you're clearly wrong. I remember you playing/looking scummy as town, but not outright just doing stuff like this. Stuck believing that this is real scumminess from you, and not the way you look as town. This is crap. In Bureaucracy, Foolishness was afk for a while, got crap for not making any cases or doing anything, came back and made a big case on Bill Murray, and throughout his time alive added some minor suspicions on BH and Palmar. BH and Palmar were both mafia, BM wasn't. Also, Foolishness was mafia. Basically, out of his mafia reads, 2/3 were right, and he was the head of the whole mafia. His alignment should absolutely not be predicated on whether his reads are good or not. Well yeah that was my own interpretation of his initial post on me and is also consistent with the fact I didn't look at his later posts before calling for medics on him. Consider me to have written things being still mentally in the phase before the Bugs lynch where Foolish didn't explain all his actions. Put circumstance on : "Vivax didn't read the thread properly after he went to sleep" and you will understand why I said these things. I might be lazy and bad for it but I'm not scum cause of it. | ||
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On March 12 2013 23:42 marvellosity wrote: supersoft I'm kinda leaning town on for reasons I can't properly explain. I'm not sure about it at all though. Super don't get fooled by this. | ||
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