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slOosh
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On March 16 2013 00:18 marvellosity wrote: Why would mafia death frame a townie as mafia just to reveal him as town later ? That makes absolutely no sense. 12 hours of discussion based on incorrect information? A townie would never use a death frame? 3rd party wouldn't even know how to use it? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 16 2013 00:23 marvellosity wrote: My point is this. If Corazon flips townie with the nightpost, I look awful immediately. We can agree on this yes? There's no arguing with the hosts, there's no speculation on any abilities, I simply look awful. In this scenario, there's a lot of doubt about what happened, enough in fact that I'm still pretty convinced Corazon was mafia. Why do it in a manner that makes me look less bad than if Corazon had simply flipped townie in the nightpost? Are you trying to argue that Corazon is scum? | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
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On March 15 2013 07:51 Foolishness wrote: Also, I just found this out, but apparently instead of me not getting lynched the person with the second most votes gets lynched instead. I don't see how an interpretation of a post is overriding a mod post. Not just an announcement but something reflected in the OP. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 16 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote: i think marv is right. caller role from personality 1: except this time, they gave us some warning. What are you suggesting? Is cora scum or town? | ||
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slOosh
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On March 16 2013 00:40 Promethelax wrote: You all are stupid Cora was scum Just count the deaths thatwiththe night come All townies claim shots The topic is hot We'll know if we killed the right one. That doesn't work because scum can fake getting shot if this goes through. Or they can doublestack. They have ways of disguising it. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
So cora and Foolishness are making an elaborate ploy where they deflect a scum lynch onto another scum when they had the power to lynch whomever they chose (given that cora had 2 votes and people weren't aware of Foolishness' deflection). And absolute certainty means they planned this out, so they can do a fake message that implicates marv as scum. And they do all this instead of just last minute voting you. Wow. Just no. | ||
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slOosh
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On August 23 2011 13:18 flamewheel wrote: The planting ability was amazingly powerful, and sadly that's all I contributed to this game. Kudos to my team; you guys did a good job. On August 23 2011 13:27 GMarshal wrote: Looking from an outside perspective the mafia roles look really, really strong, especially the death framer. The tratior getting a free town kill when lynched is also... odd, I mean he lynches BC in his place, gets a free kp and forces the town to have to somehow kill him? That seems really, really strong. Not to mention the bomberman being a free extra kp, or the suicide bombers destructive potential. Mafia seems stacked. On August 23 2011 13:30 Mig wrote: Yea the mafia roles are godlike. A bomb kp every single night. A role thief. A scum doctor. A puppetmaster. Pandain is gf + can permanently remove town powers. Syllo was fucking rber and admiral ackbar combined into one role, so anytime he was about to be lynched he could always suicide and kill the best town player. And then to top it off death framer is unreal good. On August 23 2011 19:40 Curu wrote: Overall from scum I think the Bombmaker + Flip Framer were too ridiculous. Not to excuse Town's shoddy play and it's understandable that they neeed strong roles to compensate for everyone in Town having a power, but some of them were so ridiculous that they weren't ever going to be used - Vig that dies to a mishot, Vig that dies if he guesses role/alignment wrong, my own ability was purely luck based, and so on. On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote: Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for the rest of the game in relation to that player. Mafia of course gets a free pass. Bull. I call bull on all of you. The fact that people are using this to push me as red is ridiculous, because I never used cora's alignment as a determination of another players. All the vets of TL Mafia agree that the death framer was too strong, and you guys think that kita and grey would decide to put it back into the game untouched. Wow. No. | ||
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slOosh
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If town aren't critical enough and just eat up bullshit after bullshit they don't deserve to win. I don't care if all my reads are wrong. This is fundamentally retarded. STUPID DANDELION CLAIMED MEDIC AND SANDROBA IS PROTECTING SYLLO BUT HE DIED AND SUDDENLY MARV IS SYLLO WHAT THE CRAP IS THAT? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 16 2013 00:54 marvellosity wrote: IT wasn't untouched, it was tweaked with this Announcement thing. Otherwise we wouldn't have the opportunity to be talking about it now.. Keep squirming, slOosh. Ah yes. Scum Cora & Foolishness pulled an elaborate ploy to lynch himself to fool everyone's reads, and had it not been for your keen insight we would have been deluded into thinking he could have been town. Why, even the mods were fooled! Why, you exposed my dastardly plot to use corazon's alignment to draw false conclusions, before I even made any such posts! Bravo marv, you are the hero that this town needs. ![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/applause.gif) | ||
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slOosh
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On March 16 2013 02:57 Oatsmaster wrote: sloosh, think about it. What use is a role that conceals alignment 12 hours after death only? On August 24 2011 04:09 Ace wrote: Maybe you should take that up with Ver and Incog. Death Millers, or any role that flips the opposite alignment on death is generally a bad thing as the Town is going to have incorrect reads for Scaling back to 12 hours is a sensible and possible nerf. Hinting that it may be false while the OP remains true and the hosts both confirming multiple times it is true is not a sensible nerf. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 16 2013 03:23 Oatsmaster wrote: What is your problem with Marv's explanation? The other game the OP was changed too. What are the hosts supposed to say if it was a 'real' death framer as you seem to think that it isnt? In personality 1, the frame wasn't revealed until the end of the game. All the vets agreed that it was too powerful a role. Marv's interpretation of the role. You may have the hosts announce and modify OP to reflect that a person is of a different alignment 12 hours after their death. My interpretation of the roleYou may frame someone's death so they flip the alignment of your choosing. In 12 hours a message will be released revealing the frame Marv's interpretation is possible, but requires a rock hard conviction that corazon was scum, and that his death was planned, and that a scum cora - foolish team, when they could have last minute lynched anyone of their choosing (and get more night KP and use up the next day's lynch), instead chose to lynch cora and use this ability. And the hosts have to lie until endgame, and to properly catch it we would have had to ask the hosts of his alignment in the 12 hour window. I find it highly more likely that my explanation is the true one (primarily based on the hosts lying issue). It could be that I'm wrong - but do you think my reasoning itself is unsound? If not, should I be called scum for holding a different perspective? | ||
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slOosh
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On March 16 2013 03:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok if your explanation is true. WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE POINT? There is a point to the other way, because we may still assume that there are 5 mafia alive and that cora flipped town. There is no point to conceal role for 12 hours only. Its not a nerf, it makes it USELESS. I think you have it mixed up. I think that cora is town and assume that 5 mafia are alive. Marv thinks the opposite. 12 hours of information denial is pretty strong. And it's better than information denial, it's misinformation. If you don't think that working off misinformation is not that big of a deal for town, I don't know how to ... yea I don't know. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 16 2013 03:54 prplhz wrote: i think that kita was vague so that we would never know for sure what actually happened. that's a decent spin on a hidden flip and it's not as OP and annoying as a straight up wrong flip. with everything that's happened i don't really see why we should trust either the town or the scum flip so i'm just going to go with what i believed before all these shenanigans - cora was scum. On February 25 2013 08:38 kitaman27 wrote: 22. cDgCorazon as Palmar, lynched day two There are 5/5Mafia Remaining The current mafia kp is 3 (5/2 rounded up) How is that vague? | ||
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slOosh
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On March 16 2013 04:13 prplhz wrote: it also seems dumb with a fool/cora/sloosh/vivax/whatever scum team because they're simply all quite vocally opposed to marv and scum usually spread out and keep a relatively low profile, instead we have a bunch of posters who are all very active in opposing marv who has this thread pretty much under control. it's silly. So what's your conclusion? Are we scum? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 16 2013 04:27 marvellosity wrote: why don't you, I don't know, read the two posts I made about Foolish, read his response, read the various things about Corazon - i.e. his blatant survival instinct, his awful tunnel, his refusal to comment on Foolishness, his 100% surety that he was going to die when the rest of the thread had no idea if Foolishness was telling the truth. Go back and do those things, and tell me what's happening in this game. I think ... I figured out why I'm so bad ... the themed games screw with me. Nomination, PYPower, Liar Game ... all of it fits together... anyways, Yea so I shut up and did some serious reading. It seems like different play fueled my paranoia of you into a scummy interpretation. For instance, upon rereading you are right that cora's behavior around lynch is strange, but I would say that it is knowing that he has the power to control the lynch but choosing to instead martyr that gives himself away, not the he knew he was gonna die (probably because I've seen plenty of townies pull this "kill me so with my flip you realize player X is scum", which it seemed like what he was doing). Upon reading your two big posts I agree with and it was the kind of thing I was initially looking for when Foolishness initially made the case. When you picked out the kill order, I really believed that is a null point, because I saw a reason why I would want scum yamato flip first, and I think supersoft also said he wanted to flip yamato first (but didn't explain until later I think). What saw as scummy on review is that he went yamato => crossfire => marv, not yamato => marv => crossfire, because there would be no point in putting crossfire before marv. Again, same conclusion but using different information. I apologize the undue stress placed upon you marv. It's just the misfortune of having a new category of player I call themedtownslOosh which seems to play pretty poorly. Yea. Foolishness scum. My bad. If I'm still unreadable and you still want to lynch me that's totally understandable. In the meantime I'm just gonna have to build my reads from base up, unless you want me to focus on something neutral / less talked about to see if we come to the same conclusions. | ||
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slOosh
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We should lynch stutters695 tomorrow. On March 07 2013 07:45 Stutters695 wrote: Any start date works for me. Stoked for this. Let's start by looking at his pregame post. Pregame? Yes. I've learnt from the amazing Qatol that it is possible to use pregame material as information source. Take note of his enthusiasm as we dive in his filter. "Pushing Crossfire" On March 12 2013 01:42 Stutters695 wrote: Well I was going you'd guys get who I received but apparently not. I rolled Kenpachi. I'll take it more seriously though. I want joking about XFire though, nearly everything else was worthless trolling since that seemed to be his MO. On March 12 2013 02:00 Stutters695 wrote: Right now crossfire. This feels just like his mtg2 play without the scum claim due to different mechanics. I did miss the last ten pages or so due to sleep so I'm going to catch up on those now but I'd vote cross 100% right now. On March 12 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote: I don't think either are as sure as Crossfire but I'd definitely go Sloosh if people can't be convinced of Cross. Bugs I think we can definitely get something if value out of. On March 12 2013 03:26 Stutters695 wrote: I'm aware of that sloosh but here's what I take issue with: you haven't pushed him at all until recently (outside of one post) and you haven't said anything else. If you had spent all your time pushing him I'd understand but you haven't, you didn't weigh in on my blatant trolling, bugs noncommittal posting or Crossfires useless posts. Please tell us what you think about anyone but Yamato instead of coasting on something anyone reading v the thread noticed. And there's contradiction #1. He seems very certain that crossfire is scum, but he never pushes it himself. In the third quote he speaks as if he has put in effort and people aren't listening, which isn't true. He has put no effort in trying to convince people. The fourth quote indicates he is aware of how someone should play, that you should be pushing scumreads, and that if I were pushing my scumread then my scummy behavior would come out townie. So he knows that townies should be pushing reads. Funny, because he is accusing me of the exact same thing he is doing and calling me scum for. In light of his pregame excitement there is a total mismatch on finding such a surefire scum but not doing anything about it. "High level play" On March 12 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote: Sloosh I've never played with period but his few posts are so safe it's unreal. If he's wrong about Yamato he's fine because it still makes sense to lynch and if he's right he gets huge town cred for nothing. I saw someone said this is what he does so I wouldn't be adverse to a policy lynch or vig shot. I don't think either are as sure as Crossfire but I'd definitely go Sloosh if people can't be convinced of Cross. Bugs I think we can definitely get something if value out of. I've never played with stutters, or if he has he never made an impression on me, but from general feel of his filter and his post count it seems like he is a newer player getting his feet wet. He makes a comment that my posts are safe - very strange because if I recall correctly, I was the first and only one to shout this out when it happened. If by safe he meant lurking, trying to slip by undetected, it would be demonstrably wrong. It would be the way I would think a newer player uses the word safe. Instead, look at how he uses it. If I'm wrong, then I get away with it because I'm punishing bad play, so I'm culpable of high level scum play. If I'm right, then I am getting town cred for doing nothing. So ... the conclusion is I'm either really good scum lynching town, or scum bussing a friend scum, or town who got scum lynched but doesn't deserve any credit? What kind of logic is this? It's twisty logic that wants to push the idea that I am scum without the proper evidence / thought process to back it up. That's something mafia do. They try to make up stuff about why someone is scum, but because of the burden of knowledge, they can't do it naturally, as we see in this case. Unnatural ... everything On March 15 2013 02:07 Stutters695 wrote: Foolishness: I'm going to read some of his past games but I'm not sure I buy his trap. It's really his only post of value (aside from his meta analysis on Vivax based off of one of his scum games). He makes decent points but essentially all he said on Yamato was the vig shot was anti-town and so was the disappearing. His crossfire case is a bit better but again his whole case is based around an action and associations. If Yamato or cross flips town then everything in that post is random conjecture without any proof and he'll still have contributed nothing. He might make these types of cases all the time but I need to check it. I'm leaning scum but not my first choice. My gut tells me town on Marv. He saw the same things on Cross that I saw d1 and really seemed to be the only other person really pushing for Cross when it was headed towards WBG around 24h in. Through his filter I don't see nearly as much jumping around as people say (he's jumped between his top targets which i don't remember him doing quite so much but he's got reasoning behind it). What? Doing a ctrl+F on marv's filter, there was no use of meta in his analysis of crossfire. So why the heck is Foolishness' case poor because it is based on action and associations, but marv's case good? It's not like marv used meta in his case, so I'm assuming it would file under actions? And if a big name player came in with a case on crossfire, wouldn't you be glad? Instead stutters casually dismisses it as if he understands what's really up, as if he knows what constitutes a good case and what doesn't. I'm trying to type this paragraph and I can't even put into words how unnatural this is. He says Foolishness is not his first scum choice (not a conclusive but a reinforcing tell), and it's not marv either. So by conclusion it must be crossfire right? Well why is he starting to undermine Foolishness' case based on cross flipping town? What kind of zen level play is he pulling off? The more simple explanation is that scum Stutters wants to be on the right side of the lynch but has to make up stuff to try to do that. Unnatural. Scum. p.s. He reinforces the idea that he was "really pushing for cross" when my first point shows that he doesn't really. Inconsistent role usage On March 16 2013 01:46 Stutters695 wrote: only issue with that list is I'm not scum. I can see where you're coming from though. Anyway since I told the person I have to agree with in order to use the 1kp this cell has, looks like you picked a good target in your message, let's go with that ##vote: Vivax On March 16 2013 05:21 Stutters695 wrote: Town cross post count usually does seem really similar to mine. His complete lack of any content is what makes him scum, he's just more involved as town. On March 16 2013 05:51 Stutters695 wrote: The quality should show you something is wrong. I'd rather lynch sloosh over him just because if sloosh is scum it essentially confirms Cross as scum since the nuke would be his only saving grace. Still thinks crossfire is scum, still doesn't push the idea, chooses to shoot vivax first (why not crossfire?), and only when focused upon becomes very complaisant and switch it to Foolishness. And then there is some ... excuse that it might not work out because his buddy needs to vote otherwise. On March 16 2013 02:56 Stutters695 wrote: Votes are done via PM. First time he votes vivax in thread, but doesn't do it with foolishness. Some inconsistency to his fake story. So yes. There is my final case. If I'm wrong then my reads are probably worthless at this point. If I'm right I have a good follow up lynch candidate (someone people think is town!). The end. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I characterize stutters as a newer player, excited pregame but no excitement after game starts, whose thought processes' fit more aligned with a very mature mafia player, i.e. is unnatural. | ||
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slOosh
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On March 16 2013 07:42 Promethelax wrote: his meta you do not know his thoughts from a townie do flow his play is crap but he gets a bad rap just because he is a little slow ? If he is more of a newer player than it is more disturbing the things he says. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On March 15 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote: I'll make it quite clear now. If I am alive at LYLO, then lynch me. Quote this post against me later. I plan to have all the mafia dead before LYLO. It's really easy guys. We are at LYLO. If marv is town, then mafia did nothing and all the vets played like retards and imploded while mafia lurked. Or marv is scum, the whole town got played hard, and we should lynch him today. ##Vote: marvellosity | ||
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