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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 00:38 GMT
#1329
On March 12 2013 09:36 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 09:35 Vivax wrote:
On March 12 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote:
On March 12 2013 09:31 strongandbig wrote:
it's also possible that yamato had to say the "pro gf snipe" line for his shot to work, and he wasn't actually an anonymous dayvig but just has managed to trick everyone into thinking he was.

just playing devil's advocate.


huh. that's kinda interesting.


What I said the same do you people even read what I write.


not unless i want to lynch you, no.


aww marv i'm touched
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 00:41 GMT
#1333
damn really? what am i missing here
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 00:55 GMT
#1337
Foolishness what do you think of crossfire and corazon? Same question to BC and anyone else who thinks wbg is probably chezinu the village idiot
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 00:56 GMT
#1338
If I was a vanilla townie I would be shooting wbg tonight.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 01:02 GMT
#1344
I'm with you on wbg, bc
Why is Yamato so important to kill?
I kinda get Ver since he's a well known "good player", although I'm not sure why the timing of a policy lynch matters, but with Yamato it's not like he's on that level and he's under enough pressure that there's no risk of him slipping out of the spotlight.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 01:06 GMT
#1347
On March 12 2013 10:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 09:59 Promethelax wrote:
On March 12 2013 09:56 strongandbig wrote:
If I was a vanilla townie I would be shooting wbg tonight.


wat
wat
wat
wat
wat?

Yamato claimed motherfucking vanilla townie and shot Kurumi in the face.


Dude
Completely the wrong reference
Yamato is meapak, that's been established
The real vanilla townie is presumably still out there, still has his bullet and has never missed a shot
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 01:09 GMT
#1351
On March 12 2013 10:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
He's better than this. :/


You have to ask yourself, what am I good at?

I've caught scum in the past, and shot them and killed them.
I've caught scum and made cases on them.
But I have never caught scum, made a case, and gotten them lynched.
Doesn't mean I'll stop trying.

Btw ve you're rapidly earning my scum points.

>.> ---------> you

(That's me watching you)
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 01:10 GMT
#1353
On March 12 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
shrug. i'll lynch crossfire if people think bugs is a genuinely bad lynch for weird 3rd party reasons. Don't wanna kill anyone else particularly though.


Lets do it
At least one vigilante shoots bugs
If he survives we lynch him
##unvote
##vote: crossfire
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 01:11 GMT
#1355
Kurumi didn't just martyr. He lied about being a self-aware traitor. The difference is massive and BC is just off base here.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 01:26 GMT
#1362
Ve, kurumi didn't say he was afraid, he said he was a mole.

Anyway peace out to the thread, it's time now for dinner and other activities. See y'all tomorrow.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 12:48 GMT
#1574
On March 12 2013 21:30 yamato77 wrote:
ONE LAST THING

Foolishness, if your plan is to all-in me, I think you'll be disappointed to know that I have gotten quite good at appearing town as town lately, even in the face of a lynch. All you're doing is MOTIVATING me to crush you in the upcoming day with meta analyses of yourself and Vivax.


Hahahahaha



But seriously Yamato you gotta put your money where your mouth is man, if you're town you're like mislynch target alpha for scum right now so starting to look townie is a pretty good option.

Anyway I'm glad we didn't end up killing crossfire; his posting really shaped up after I left last night, and if I'd been around I would have switched off of him. Not sure onto who, probably vivax.

The way this turned out does make the last minute switch guys look good, although not conclusively so (I have been in games where scum organized a last-minute switch from one townie onto another townie, confusing as fuck)

I ended up being right about bugs being third party, but wrong about him being a jester or village idiot, so good news there too.

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 14:52 GMT
#1656
On March 12 2013 23:19 austinmcc wrote:
marv, let's argue.

It seems like every time you think someone who is well-respected for scumhunting is out to get you, you decide they're scum. I decide you're being an idiot and overreacting. Then palmar flips scum in ... Rock Band? And Foolishness flips scum in Parallel.

So, you've got the track record here. Do you actually think this is a strategy that would be continued? I don't see why, especially as it didn't work well for Foolishness before, he would do the same thing 2 months later.


Based on reading bureaucracy, I think foolishness doesn't put as much careful thought into his scum play as he does his town play. I could easily see him, playing scum by his gut, deciding to go for Marv.

That said, Marv - I wouldn't put quite so much stock in the "foolishness confirmed liar" stuff. It's possible that he got confused between games he coached or obsed and played in. I think that his relatively paltry and careless filter is a much more important piece of evidence.

Also @austin - I will not fall into your "long posts -> town" trap again!
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 14:59 GMT
#1669
On March 12 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 23:54 Acrofales wrote:
For the record, I haven't gotten past where I was yesterday and think Marv looks more like town Marv D1 from duel, than scum Marv. Plus, Marv is the D3 policy lynch, so I am not too worried about him. If scum hasn't killed him off by D3, we lynch him.


Kinda a suspicious attitude given the playerlist this game. Policy lynch me ahead of Foolish or Ver or BC or super if they're alive?


When you're the only one of that group taking an active interest in leading town, then yes. Docs should be on you might one, you should be a possible policy lynch day three.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 16:46 GMT
#1737
On March 13 2013 00:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 00:09 marvellosity wrote:
Anyway, I'm going to stop thinking about Foolishness and Vivax entirely for now because it's not helping me.

I had a random thought while smoking. If iamp as town is usually almost like an IC, why has he changed up his style so much this game just to roleplay? Is it worth it?


did anyone have any thoughts about this?


the games i played with him were months ago granted, but i didn't have that impression from town iamperfection
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 16:53 GMT
#1747
do people agree that all the roles probably have hidden powers like the two who just died did?

I'
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 16:55 GMT
#1750
On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it?


foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum.

like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned

the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 16:55 GMT
#1751
On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it?


foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum.

like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned

the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened.


i mean, like how wbg role was scum powers but town aligned.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 18:04 GMT
#1810
On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:
On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it?


foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum.

like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned

the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened.

I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me.

WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all.

The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum.

I'm not saying this is the case. It is, however, a perfectly plausible scenario that would answer your question about why would scum get a public dt check.

I just don't like it that people are basing reads on Yamato off of setup speculation.

Actually scratch that, I just don't like it that people are basing it off of bad setup speculation.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 21:45 GMT
#1908
On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:
On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it?


foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum.

like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned

the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened.

I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me.

WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all.

The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum.


Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease.

Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role.


yeah i said the same thing but he ignored me
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 12 2013 21:58 GMT
#1917
On March 13 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:
On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:
On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it?


foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum.

like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned

the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened.

I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me.

WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all.

The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum.


Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease.

Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role.

I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy


Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams).

If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town.

So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader.

OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town.



Why? Modconfirm dt check as scum is legit straight up powerful and id take it in a heartbeat. Why? Because you guys will argue mechanic based shit like you are and voila I must be a confirmed town dt. Oh shit? I have to shoot the guy I modconfirm? Doesn't matter. Target someone in thread who shits thread up and get auto loved for being confirmed dt/vig for town.

No offense but as scum i'd love a role that autoconfirms me as town without needing to be a gf. Just saying.

Now maybe I think at a higher level of play than you do, but I think this is a standard logical step for basically anyone. There are reasons I am sure you can argue yamato is town without using his role. Role does not fucking equal alignment. I have been saying this for fucking years.


yeah i said the same thing but he ignored me
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