Personality Mafia 2 - Page 26

On March 11 2013 05:03 Stutters695 wrote:

Very convincing. I can feel.the skill oozing from this post.

On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:


Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of?

What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"?

On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:


I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand.

I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that...

Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted...

On March 11 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote:
oatsmaster is the master of scummy, evil oats

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Exhibit One: Scum Are Inconsistent And Go After Easy Targets


So he starts out with a decent reason to be suspicious of iamperfection - big list post, not involved like his usual meta.
But then we see him latch on to mocsta for some reason:




+ Show Spoiler [mocsta's posts the page before t…] +

Really? Oatsmaster thinks that's not "spammy" or "jovial," and that it's different enough from mocsta's jovial and spammy meta to earn a vote? I don't buy it. Then there's some stupid back and forth between oats and mocsta, and then oats goes on to looking at other stuff.

But look at the difference between how oats interacted with suspicion on iamperfection and suspicion on mocsta. He claimed that they were both not playing to their town metas, but whereas at the time iamperfection actually wasn't matching his meta, oats's portrayal of mocsta's behavior this game was both curt and inaccurate. Plus, iamperfection had the bad listy intro post, which oats also claimed he was suspicious of.

Then a bit later in the filter, we get this:


nonono seriously? no explanation of how the actions in the thread since the initial vote influences the read? No explanation of why people should still be going after mocsta?

So what's the difference between iamperfection and mocsta? Well, simply put - one of them is a much easier target. Iamperfection does tend to attract some suspicion as town, so he's a safe target for dispersed suspicion, but he's better-known and more veteran than mocsta, and therefore more likely to be influential and a more dangerous target for scum to go all in on. Mocsta, on the other hand, is someone I've never heard of before and therefore a newer player, plus from his behavior this game he seems less focused and srsbsns than iamperfection in response to suspicion.

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Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It
This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't.

We have Oats's very first post:

Personal attacks bad, back-and-forth bad, non-alignment indicative stuff bad. Okay, those are all good things for townies to be thinking about. We can summarize this as "don't engage in personal bitchfights because they distract the thread and don't help demonstrate that you're town."

So how does Oats do putting his posts where his mouth is?
He starts off spamming around and not engaging the thread:
+ Show Spoiler +
Then he gets into a personal-attack bitchfight with mocsta
+ Show Spoiler +
Then there's some personal bitching at acro:
+ Show Spoiler +
And Kurumi
+ Show Spoiler +
Then we get another piece of "town advice"


Okay sure - if you aren't presenting and pushing your reads, then you're scum. Not always true but a completely valid way to play as town. If we combine that with Oatsmaster's earlier complaints about personal attacks and non-alignment-indicative fluff and bickering, we get a pretty strong philosophy of town play.
One that is absolutely nothing like how oatsmaster has been playing this game. Go back and look again at the posts I put in the spoilers above about him getting into personal bitchfights. There's the Mocsta stuff, where we learn that Oats "has a read" and that his read is "mocsta is scum because he's not jovial or spammy", followed by like five unnecessary other posts as Oats lets himself be drawn into you-said you-said with mocsta. But other than that one post, and one post where he says he has a read on iamperfection, what discussion of his reads do we get? What reads do we get at all, other than the two "scum reads" he made in like his first three posts based on the first few pages of the game? What interaction with all the new information that's come up in the thread?

What does Oats think about Kurumi and WBG? Given how much he wants substantive posts involving reads, you'd think he would have told us his reads on them at some point during the several posts he makes about them and aimed at them. But nope - we don't. In fact, he goes out of his way to avoid pointing to either of them as scum:
+ Show Spoiler +

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His only "reads" are ill-thought out, ill-explained, and inconsistent.
He complains / gives advice about the prevalence of certain specific poor townplay practices, then engages in exactly those practices himself.
These are both characteristic scum behaviors and both have clear scum motivations.

Oatsmaster is scum.
##vote: Oatsmaster

In his Profile, Foolishness wrote:

I am Foolishness, the de facto head and director of the mafia forum on Team Liquid.

On March 11 2013 06:11 Vivax wrote:
That said Kurumi post normally my normal self has recently become a Chezinu hater so I want you dead if you keep up roleplaying that dude

##Vote Kurumi

On March 11 2013 06:34 Kurumi wrote:

Just because I did something you did not agree with in LX does not mean that is a valid reason to vote me.

On March 11 2013 06:41 Vivax wrote:


I don't know do you want half of this town or mafia or who is doing that to be speaking in riddles and roleplaying so we have no idea what they're talking about? Cause that's the main point I am trying to bring across, if you want to roleplay make it pro-town and understandable and I will have no reason to vote for you.

On March 11 2013 06:55 prplhz wrote:
Calm down Kurumi.

On March 11 2013 06:31 Vivax wrote:


[vivax]
You think his argument is very good? His case is pretty big what exactly do you think is good about it or what parts do you think are good?

If you think his argument is good why aren't you pushing Oats and say we're far away from deadline?
[/vivax]

On March 11 2013 05:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Prom: would you say that Ver appears to be looking for scum?

On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...

##Vote: Yamato

Gonna start scumhunting?

On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:

i'm at work you asshat

it's in my filter

What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now.

On March 11 2013 00:08 Kurumi wrote:
Hello guys, It is me, Chezinu! So I see we have started this game and I am really happy to play it. I will try my best to have fun!
So how about we start having fun right now? I tried this last game, but I got cursed so it was a disaster...
Write down three things!
One is false, rest is true!

1) I am Chezinu.
2) I have not read my role PM.
3) I don't have a day power.

On March 11 2013 03:11 Kurumi wrote:
I never claimed I got a role called Chezinu or anything like that.
What I claimed is that I AM Chezinu.
It is not about roles (which I love finding out as you might know already) but about being a certain person.
I just don't abide by the rules, hosts want me to believe I am someone when I clearly am someone else.