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the only roleplay i do, is keeping calm when you dare to call my plans bad :-)
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There are some players you just don't lynch d1-d2.
Foolishness is one of them.
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Kurumi is bitching around for 2 hours within the first 24 hours of the entire game and you have nothing better to do than shooting him.
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On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it.
but you remember that MZ was scumGF back then right?
Did you play in WBGs last game with marv, syllo, sandro and me?
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that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good.
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On March 11 2013 17:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. It was not unreasonable. Perhaps, as Kurumi suggested, I could have aimed it at someone like Ver, but the risk of losing a potential town asset over the guy fucking up the thread while I was at work seemed a little too high.
is your ability a one time thing or can you do it more often?
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oh shit i misread that somewhere...
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On March 12 2013 01:42 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 01:40 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 12 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 01:35 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 12 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 01:31 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 12 2013 01:29 marvellosity wrote:On March 12 2013 01:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
Just sheep me. ... no. I did just go back and skim Stutters' filter in Themed by the way. Just like LIX there's evidence of critical thought that isn't in this game, e.g. On February 15 2013 05:44 Stutters695 wrote:
After checking his full filter, what really concerns me is that he does it again (misusing meta). If he said I should be policy lynched because he doesn't like how I'm playing I'd totally understand that. But implying I'm scummy despite multiple games with me with similar d1 posting by me doesn't sit wellwhen combined with what I said about Marv and him.
Other than those posts he doesn't say a whole lot. I'm leaning scum since all his other posts are calling people town and saying kurumi was scummy but never following through. I'd really like to hear his thoughts on who he'd lynch if I wasnt an option before I rush to judgement on him though since I've had people do this who were scum and town.
Going through filters who really concerns me is Mr.CC. I cohosted one of his games and obsed the others and I don't think I've ever seen him this inactive. That feels like a really large change. I need to see if he has actually played any non-newbies but unless he shows up he'd be a good policy lynch. Still going through filters though, that just stood out as really off to me. I have gotten the feeling you agreed on Crossfire. So why don't you want to actually agree? because there are a lot of viable targets. and what you said about Stutters simply isn't true. So? You keep arguing against the cross lynch with stutters arguments, now that's just stupid. "I don't want to lynch Cross because what you said about stutters isn't true" Like, seriously? who said I was arguing against a Crossfire lynch? You've done nothing to convince anyone that Crossfire is necessarily a better target than anyone else. Why not slOosh if we're going down the pure meta route? I shouldn't need to. Y ou should be barely intelligent enough to see it yourself. Probably.Not sloosh because I don't know the dude, so I can't pure meta him. I can Cross though, and the dude is scum. yup, antagonise, that'll win people over to your lynch. grow up.
i'm watching what happens really closely. But I haven't figured it out yet. I am filtering and rereading and will propose a solution in time.
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please stop the rhyming. Noone does it on that forum, therefor no roleplay justifies it.
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you're calling an unreadable filter contribution?
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yes, there is letters i could read. But it's extremely time consuming!
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On March 12 2013 03:09 yamato77 wrote:
Prom, kill super with me.
Marv, you too. You know super as town is not a pile of shit.
He's obviously here, reading the thread, he's just fucking off.
I say that's mafia super right there.
you shoot kurumi when only 18 hours have passed by in the game
and now you want to lynch me d1.
Great decisionmaking.
I don't understand your thoughprocess... What are you doing in reallife? I am curious...
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On March 12 2013 03:15 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
I'm certainly not giving yamato's opinions any more weight than I was previously. Is anyone else actually doing so? I don't think so. lol dude stop sidestepping yamato shot modconfirmed town Be clear with it: do you think he is town? Cause right now all you are doing is theorizing on how viable of a mafia move it is, not how scummy yamato actually is.
and you should read the thread.
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On March 12 2013 03:53 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 03:16 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 03:15 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
I'm certainly not giving yamato's opinions any more weight than I was previously. Is anyone else actually doing so? I don't think so. lol dude stop sidestepping yamato shot modconfirmed town Be clear with it: do you think he is town? Cause right now all you are doing is theorizing on how viable of a mafia move it is, not how scummy yamato actually is. and you should read the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403¤tpage=75#1492how is this situation any different?
1. his role works like this:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it.
that means he didnt shoot the modconfirmed townie. The shot followed the check automatically.
2. I am quite suspicious of him and he won't answer the question about the WBG game
+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 17:21 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. but you remember that MZ was scumGF back then right? Did you play in WBGs last game with marv, syllo, sandro and me? On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. On March 11 2013 17:55 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 17:51 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. It was not unreasonable. Perhaps, as Kurumi suggested, I could have aimed it at someone like Ver, but the risk of losing a potential town asset over the guy fucking up the thread while I was at work seemed a little too high. is your ability a one time thing or can you do it more often?
wbg described the davig usage for scum on day1 quite precisely.
The difference is, that wbgs dayvigs hat to ##shoot in the thread. But in general scumdayvigs shoot crazy guys who are under heavy suspicion. Kurumi was the perfect scumdayvig-target... IF you have to claim.
If you don't have to claim, I think as scum you shouldnt claim...
The question is: Is yamato courageous enough to do that as scum OR is he stupid enough to do that as town.
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On March 12 2013 04:13 HiroPro wrote:
Loil chedck that link carefulyy the claimers is a town plaeyer. Whys bring that up sloosh?
are you drunk?
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On March 12 2013 04:16 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:09 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 03:53 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:16 supersoft wrote:On March 12 2013 03:15 slOosh wrote:On March 12 2013 03:04 marvellosity wrote:
I'm certainly not giving yamato's opinions any more weight than I was previously. Is anyone else actually doing so? I don't think so. lol dude stop sidestepping yamato shot modconfirmed town Be clear with it: do you think he is town? Cause right now all you are doing is theorizing on how viable of a mafia move it is, not how scummy yamato actually is. and you should read the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281403¤tpage=75#1492how is this situation any different? 1. his role works like this: + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. that means he didnt shoot the modconfirmed townie. The shot followed the check automatically. 2. I am quite suspicious of him and he won't answer the question about the WBG game + Show Spoiler +On March 11 2013 17:21 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 16:49 yamato77 wrote:
First of all, my role is all inclusive. I didn't choose to reveal his alignment and then shoot him, it happens as a consequence of the person being town. So as soon as I PM'd his name as the alignment check, his fate was sealed and there was nothing I could do about it.
Why did I do it, knowing this risk? Firstly, I feel like the people roleplaying heavily, aside from perhaps Prom, deserve a good hard look. None of them had been saying much up to that point and I felt like it was a huge distraction. Kurumi was the worst in this group by a long shot, so losing him even if he was town was not a huge loss. More importantly, it kept town from focusing on him the entire rest of the day with his attention whore mentality and martyring.
Basically, I used my alignment check much like a vigi shot. Shoot into the worst of the unreadables and hope you hit red. Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was still objectively a decent move because what it did was get attention away from Kurumi and mainly on to me, where scum have a more difficult time taking a stance due to the more unsure thread sentiment regarding myself at the moment. I can now proceed to completely remove all doubt from the situation and look at who attacked me and why to make inferences about their alignment.
The "Pro gf snipe" comment was a joke on my role. Super soft should remember being the target of MZ as a dayvig after Super had just shot a mafia player. MZ made a comment just like that one as he decided to shoot super, who was town. My role, thus, only shoots people that are town. If they were mafia, it works like a detective chevk., where I receive a PM detailing their alignment. I will make it clear, after the alignment check popped up into the thread, I had zero control over the death of Kurumi. The comment was a joke. The shot was predetermined. I sure hope kita and Grey got a good laugh out of it. but you remember that MZ was scumGF back then right? Did you play in WBGs last game with marv, syllo, sandro and me? On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. On March 11 2013 17:55 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 17:51 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 17:39 supersoft wrote:
that shot and check was completely unreasonable... This hasty usage of blue powers looks suspicious to me.
Don't really get, why marv thinks that move was good. It was not unreasonable. Perhaps, as Kurumi suggested, I could have aimed it at someone like Ver, but the risk of losing a potential town asset over the guy fucking up the thread while I was at work seemed a little too high. is your ability a one time thing or can you do it more often? wbg described the davig usage for scum on day1 quite precisely. The difference is, that wbgs dayvigs hat to ##shoot in the thread. But in general scumdayvigs shoot crazy guys who are under heavy suspicion. Kurumi was the perfect scumdayvig-target... IF you have to claim. If you don't have to claim, I think as scum you shouldnt claim... The question is: Is yamato courageous enough to do that as scum OR is he stupid enough to do that as town. Why do you assume he had no choice in the matter of killing Kurumi? If it didn't matter why was there a period in between Kurumi's reveal to town and his death?
read his post. If you trust his claim, that's how it works.
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interesting. Vivax agrees with me. Marv, what do you think? What is more reasonable:
A) Yamato is green
1. Role works like that:
He is Meapak_Ziph and he can check players:
If they're red, the thread knows.
If they're green they die delayed
2. his decisionmaking is like this:
reasonable:
Kurumi is talking complete bullshit and playing against his wincondition. (What he did made no sense. Even a mole who switches sides doesnt want himself getting killed. It lowers his personal chances of winning.)
He blocked the thread with his shit for roughly 1 hour?
stupid:
we had 30 hours of the day left
Why check Kurumi today. He claimed to be green and turn red tomorrow. Why not check him tomorrow?
B) Yamato is scum
1. His role:
Meapak_ziph, red dayvig like in the game yamato quoted himself (bang bang mafia)
the check is kind of strange and unnecessary for scum...
2. His motivation
see slooshs Ace-quote.
decent scummove.
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addtion to B) 2. the claim was probably unnecessary, a more likely option would have been to not claim. but who know what possibilities there are to detect the personalitly of a player.
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On March 12 2013 04:34 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 04:31 supersoft wrote:
addtion to B) 2. the claim was probably unnecessary, a more likely option would have been to not claim. but who know what possibilities there are to detect the personalitly of a player. this is what I can't get over, whether there are possibilities for discovering the personality of a player or not. if he's playing like mafia in a couple of days time then he can be lynched still. i just don't understand the risk. say there are roles that can find out personalities or even role PMs. yamato has made himself a prime cop check candidate. If he's town, are mafia just gonna frame him every night? well, good.
yes thats true.
On March 12 2013 04:35 marvellosity wrote:
as you know supersoft, yamato was lynched in our last game as mafia for not doing anything and disappearing. this doesn't feel like that at all.
and thats also true.
but the delay is also strange. and the timing is - in my opinion - only wrong for a townie. So wrong I want to cry.
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