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On March 12 2013 09:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm voting Yamato what the fuck are you doing BC?
Oh calling me bad for doing what you want me to do. Again. Color me surprised.
do you or do you not have a vote on bugs? I mean if you had put 1 on ver, 1 on yamato and 1 on bugs Id be fine with it but as I see it you have 1 vote placed properly and 1 put on a likely Villiage idiot and 1 on some random. As for what am I doing? Its apparent. Im telling town who should be lynched.
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On March 12 2013 09:33 Vivax wrote:BC I think you're one of the few people I find reasonable in here currently. Yamato and Ver are excellent choices. I still think Bugs could be a good lynch target. I can't believe there would be a jester in this game Bugs is probably trying to achieve something else with this role. If there's a jester without the hosts telling us then it's a troll game anyway. I have a little theory about Bugs but I don't want to share it cause I actually want to see what happens with the lynch. Let's not forget he's impersonating Chezinu 
roles were given to people that would "match" the personality. We can see that already based on kurumi's flip.
Given that a lot of people have played as third party and chez (who he claims to be) has been third party before having him troll / be VI or some other role of the like is a possible occurance. If hes town or mafia and trying this hard to die then keeping him alive a bit longer punishes him / potentially gets him modkilled and banlisted.
Think logically not emotionally. Emotions have led to my downfall to much.
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On March 12 2013 09:55 strongandbig wrote:
Foolishness what do you think of crossfire and corazon? Same question to BC and anyone else who thinks wbg is probably chezinu the village idiot
Not as important to kill as Ver or yamato.
Also shooting bugs I have no issue with. Just lynching him when he appears to want to be lynched.
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On March 12 2013 10:02 strongandbig wrote:
I'm with you on wbg, bc
Why is Yamato so important to kill?
I kinda get Ver since he's a well known "good player", although I'm not sure why the timing of a policy lynch matters, but with Yamato it's not like he's on that level and he's under enough pressure that there's no risk of him slipping out of the spotlight.
Its not so much policy as meta. But again people can take it as they want. He has meshed up fully with his mafia meta from my experience and I know what hes capable of.
Yamato is important because he has played so obviously anti town. As annoying as Kurumi was being he was not actively doing anything others already weren't. Instead he shot him. He shot someone who was likely just a townie roleplaying instead of some mafia trolling.
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On March 12 2013 10:28 prplhz wrote:
@BloodyC0bbler Why don't you lynch decafchicken on day1?
because misslynches suck
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On March 12 2013 10:30 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 10:29 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 12 2013 10:28 prplhz wrote:
@BloodyC0bbler Why don't you lynch decafchicken on day1? because misslynches suck Can you elaborate so a player of my caliber will also be able to follow you?
he was a common day 1 lynch due to clue games where the words coffee or chicken or the like would be used in the day posts. He would get lynched, flip town usually and day 1 is wasted because people go for an easy lynch.
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On March 12 2013 11:02 Crossfire99 wrote:
Am I dead? I only checked the vote thread and saw a lot of votes for me, so I assumed I'm dead.
still an hour left I think
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On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum.
Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease.
Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role.
I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy
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Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2.
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On March 13 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2. -.- Don't poke people for trying BC.
Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie.
Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad.
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On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town.
Why? Modconfirm dt check as scum is legit straight up powerful and id take it in a heartbeat. Why? Because you guys will argue mechanic based shit like you are and voila I must be a confirmed town dt. Oh shit? I have to shoot the guy I modconfirm? Doesn't matter. Target someone in thread who shits thread up and get auto loved for being confirmed dt/vig for town.
No offense but as scum i'd love a role that autoconfirms me as town without needing to be a gf. Just saying.
Now maybe I think at a higher level of play than you do, but I think this is a standard logical step for basically anyone. There are reasons I am sure you can argue yamato is town without using his role. Role does not fucking equal alignment. I have been saying this for fucking years.
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On March 13 2013 06:58 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 06:51 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 02:49 Acrofales wrote:On March 13 2013 01:55 strongandbig wrote:On March 13 2013 01:52 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and one other thing. What "balance" reason can anybody come up with for giving a scum a modconfirmed DT check? If the DT check was also Yamato, how the fuck does that work as scum? And if he got it, why in god's name would he EVER use it? foolishness or radfield role is town powers but scum aligned, they're well known for being amazing as town but both terrible as scum and hating to play scum. like how wbg role was town powers but scum aligned the day vig would have been the hidden "beneficial" side of the power, he wouldn't have been told about it until after the public dt check happened. I thought you were pretty levelheaded and townie at the time, but this post is not making sense to me. WBG's role was survivor, not scum aligned. His powers were meh. Unless you are talking about Kurumi, in which case he was town aligned, not scum aligned at all. The impression I got from Yamato is that he knew all along what his power would do. Now, why would scum get a DT check? It makes no sense. Even if it is combined with a dayvig. Either Yamato is lying about how his power works, or he is town. The role makes NO sense for scum. Still catching up on thread but you just posted the most wtf comment ever. I have bolded it for ease. Kurumi's role was obviously one that benefited mafia more than town. IE we already have proof that roles do not have to make sense for their alignment. Roles make sense to the personality. If they RNG'd the personalities/roles then the alignments then anyone could end up up with an alignment that doesnt mesh well with their role. I find scrubblies who make bad reasons on why someone can't be mafia using faulty and terrible logic likely to be mafia defending a scumbuddy Kurumi's role is more powerful for scum than for town, but it is not USELESS for scum. Modconfirming a DT check is not just useless for scum, it is worse than useless. There is literally NO reason to use a modconfirming DT check barring extremely weird situations like Drazerk in HRM (where townies knew Drazerk had the role, because we gave it to him, and were masoned with him. He HAD to use it... and additionally there were 2 scum teams). If you think the role works the way Yamato described, as I do, then it is basically an anonymous dayvig. In that case, Yamato's use of it makes no sense as town. So either scum got, and used a DT check. Or scum announced the anonymous dayvig and used it on a target that was shitting up the thread instead of some powerful town leader. OR, you go with Ockham's Razor and realize that Yamato is town. Why? Modconfirm dt check as scum is legit straight up powerful and id take it in a heartbeat. Why? Because you guys will argue mechanic based shit like you are and voila I must be a confirmed town dt. Oh shit? I have to shoot the guy I modconfirm? Doesn't matter. Target someone in thread who shits thread up and get auto loved for being confirmed dt/vig for town. No offense but as scum i'd love a role that autoconfirms me as town without needing to be a gf. Just saying. Now maybe I think at a higher level of play than you do, but I think this is a standard logical step for basically anyone. There are reasons I am sure you can argue yamato is town without using his role. Role does not fucking equal alignment. I have been saying this for fucking years. yeah i said the same thing but he ignored me
people ignored me about my reads day 1. Yet I see many people parroting them like they thought of them first in this thread. Makes me sad.
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On March 13 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC you're missing the point. Why wouldn't he use it on a town-aligned you? Or a town-aligned Ver? Or a town-aligned Foolish? Or a town-aligned marv? The point is he used it in a way that helped town - removing someone shitting up the thread - instead of a way that irrevocably harms town - killing a strong player with potential to lead town.
No one is arguing that his role makes him town - Acro is saying that his USE of the role makes him town. That's all we can ever go on.
Simple. If as mafia he used it on me and I flipped town and got shot, he'd be instantly castrated for taking out a town heavy hitter and a townie who knows his role will kill a green/blue check is a retard to use it on a high profile target unless the suspicion of him being scum is there. Choosing one of us day 2 or 3 makes sense but within the first like 24ish hours of day 1? No chance in hell.
Object is to confirm your alignment, not solidify your trip to the gallows.
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On March 13 2013 07:02 Vivax wrote:
BC I want to cry with you. The worst is that you might be gone tomorrow and I'll be alone...Arguing against insulting elements who say Ockham's razor is when the guy shooting town is town.
Bad people are bad yo
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On March 13 2013 07:06 Acrofales wrote:
Vivax: I have argued the role all which ways. The second part which you bolded is pretty much EXACTLY what Yamato claimed. He picks a target and vig-shoots them if town, or DT checks them if scum. IF he is scum, that means he is a dayvig, because why on earth bother DT checking your scumbuddies? Now how about you start READING and THINKING instead of spewing drivel all the time.
C: there might be some merit to that. I once mentioned offhandedly to Greymist that I found it funny that his Ace Attorney role is always considered confirmed town, and he said he had wanted to make it scum (in PU I think), but there were balance reasons not to, or the roles didn't work out properly, or something. Anyway, you bring up something worth considering.
thanks for seeing my side of the argument.
Its how myself, ver, foolishness, marv, and a few others would use that role as scum or tell our scum member to use it. Its frighteningly over powered.
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On March 13 2013 07:08 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and that whole spiel is if you assume the DT check and the vig shot are separate from each other. If they're not, and you simply believe Yamato's role, then his USE of the power makes no sense.
He could have just silently and quietly shot any of the heavy hitters and nobody would have known unless he started yelling that he was MZ.
Again. Issue is if there is anyone in the game that reveals peoples personalities. In a game such as this there could very well be. For all we know he is forced to claim in some way (via pro gf snipe comment or the like) to give a hint as to his role.
Hitting a heavy hitter still makes no sense as it outs a scum role day 1. If he were to use it and missfire day 2 or 3 on someone the thread considered mafia then he'd get away scott free, but not day 1.
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On March 13 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 06:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2. -.- Don't poke people for trying BC. Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie. Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad. ... you were smurfing and for almost the whole first day you spoke in Vayesh speak. Are you really equating how you play as Vayesh, when you speak in 3rd person and speak in riddles, with how you play under this username? Seriously?
and the person I am roleplaying as makes total sense to do what I am doing.
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On March 13 2013 07:17 HiroPro wrote:
i dont like prplz case. from what i have seen bc spends a lot of time looking to punish bad play or things he doesnt like even if they arent about finding mafia. look at lviii where he says to kill palmar even thoufh clearly town and then later in obs qt says he did it just cause he thought palmars play was antitown. if bc just keeps spending his time saying same things over and over about yamato then kill him but otherwise look at his other stuff i say.
bc tell us about people other than yamto and ver. i already know what you say about them. you are familar with supersoft? what do you think of him.
supersoft is being a tard as per normal.
People who should be looked at currently not counting myself are marv and VE.
Basically anyone in the thread right now should be getting reads primarily on
Me
vivax
yamato
foolishness
marv
Ve
Other cases have been mentioned but we are the ones everyone should be analyzing in detail right now. All of us are guilty of both good and bad play this game that could mean we are scum or not.
VE is based on performance looks the most town of this group however.
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On March 13 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 07:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 07:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 13 2013 06:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 13 2013 06:46 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 13 2013 06:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also the case on me by prpl makes me laugh. Try harder mr try hard.
Austin also super baddy. Why would bc change his posting style in a game with altered personalities. Likely because hes playing his personality. Themed games dont equal normal. Nor does the fact I have less time now to actively play.
However good try captain try hard 2. -.- Don't poke people for trying BC. Its prpl and austin. Both are experienced enough to know better. Also, marv has outright lied about how he garners reads on me. As he was unsure of my alignment in LX and was basing my alignment on if I got shot n1 or not. Given his tried and true method is not neccesarily in play this game given that there are so many big names to shoot him outright saying I have a tell for him d1 is an outright lie. Now the only reason I mention it is he made a huge deal of foolishness lying yet does it himself. Hypocritical actions make BC sad. ... you were smurfing and for almost the whole first day you spoke in Vayesh speak. Are you really equating how you play as Vayesh, when you speak in 3rd person and speak in riddles, with how you play under this username? Seriously? and the person I am roleplaying as makes total sense to do what I am doing. That's your contention, sure, but as far as I can see you're just pushing people who don't post. Don't say it's an "outright lie" that I'm able to find you town Day 1 and then make a comparison to a game I wasn't even playing where you were trolling under a smurf. That's just ridiculous.
disagree. Even as trolling as a smurf I still pushed my own reads and when I had to broke my roleplay. Posting style can change, major pattern didnt. I don't need to make stupidly large posts to state my opinions. People may listen to them more then but if I don't feel like posting large blocks of texts or yelling at people for 20 pages i'm not going to.
I have not done anything this game that would make it hard to determine my alignment if you were able to actually pin me 100% day 1.
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On March 13 2013 07:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess Ver absent from that list because of how shockingly little there is to analyze?
Ver is scum in my opinion but given no one is talking about him, nor is he talking its pretty hard for anyone to focus on him.
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