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On March 17 2013 00:08 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 00:05 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 00:04 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2013 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
Then why didn't you say that at the time? You said the relevant posts, the ones I pointed you to. no the relevant post is the one that said there were opposing cop checks. You are being blatantly manipulative now. Which is weird because manipulation comes from pushing an agenda rather than seeking the truth. Which are you doing with me? You asked for Foolish's case and the rebuttal I told you where to find them You came back and said it was easy what am I manipulating? You're telling me something totally unverifiable after the fact and accusing me of manipulating? Are you for real? The way you present your argument is that the relevant posts are the posts in which you pointed me towards. they are not. And anyone with half a brain would KNOW that deciphering your mess was impossible to be easy. it was ONLY easy because of the cop check. and after that I just sheeped you because you are a good player until I could catch up with the thread. Ciao
No, the timeline is exactly as I stated it, and it is in your filter for anyone to see.
Further, in at least 95% of cases where my cop check was brought up, it was also brought up it was untrustworthy.
If you truly found that to be the relevant thing you found, and NOT THE THINGS YOU SAID YOU WERE LOOKING AT, you should have damn well said so.
Now you're just making stuff up after the fact.
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gg all.
We're not lynching stutters today. Anyone who continues to argue hard for a stutters lynch is mafia. stutters MIGHT be mafia. Aspects of his play are scummy. But if you're arguing that, with all the information we had + everything we learn from the NKs that we should be lynching stutters in lylo, you're mafia or just being dumb.
Everyone should, at the very least, reread Foolishness's posts. We were wrong. We have zombie supersoft's posts to look at, and we have Foolishness's posts. That's two strong town players that were around a while. We don't need to be sheeping their reads, especially as either one or both (and likely both, given the deaths last night) of supersoft's sure mafia are town, but before we fill the thread with crap, read their stuff.
I'm currently of the mind that today's lynch is probably marv, DP, vivax.
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Okay. Some important announcements. The first of which is that Cora must have been town 
There were 5!!! NKs. If we accept that the Foolishness kill came from the sleeper cell, that still leaves 4 NKs, all on people who were unsuspected of being scum and thus terrible vigi targets. So either scum has 2 1-shot KP roles that they used last night, or there are still 5 scummers to give them 3 KP. I think one scum vigi seems like a decent assumption to make. Two is too much.
If a townie took a shot last night, they should CLAIM right now, otherwise I will assume Cora was town and base my reads on that.
The second is that I still think Marv is town, and his reads were terribly wrong. Then again, so were my own. So were Supersoft, Promethelax, StrongandBig and Iamperfection. These are all players whose opinion I respect. Them ALL being wrong about Foolishness says that Marv is not really to blame for having a bad bead on him.
Of course, part of the reason for having a scumread on Foolishness was because of the tunnel. However, the tunnel did two things: it made Foolishness look scummy and made Marv look townie. Think about it: if Marv is scum would he really spend his entire game tunneling a town Foolishness? From his past games I get the feeling that scum-Marv is a LOT more careful and uses NKs to take out dangerous townies. So this is uncharacteristic for his scum game. He comes out of the tunnel looking terrible: I think scum-Marv does one thing very well, which is to avoid looking terrible. Just look at Hero mafia. He is very careful about who and how he pushes.
So that put me on another new track: who tried to keep a low profile, and maybe even look good with the Foolishness lynch.
Those are the main associations I have for Foolishness. Everybody else acted like I would expect from them. A minor blip on my scumdar was Oats, who was all flipfloppy about Foolishness, but he ALWAYS acts erratic, and his scumtells aren't the fact that his reads ar all over the place, but his timidity. He is not playing timid this game.
Stutters: I do not trust your sleeper cell. Was anybody else recruited into a sleeper cell?
Other reads:
risk.nuke's inactivity is a meta scumtell. His reads have been absent, he has pushed nothing and he is doing nothing this game.
DarthPunk is still scum for all the reasons I said before. His Stutters case convinces me not at all and his push against Marv is unconvincing.
HiroPro: similar to risk.nuke, except I don't know his meta as well.
It is lylo. We absolutely need to pick a scum or we lose the game. I am surest about Xfire at the moment. He promises activity where there isn't any. Apologizes for being useless when he was purposefully roleplaying in order to BE useless and the only thing that made me think he was town has disappeared.
##vote Crossfire99
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what do you make of the things I pointed out DP and his supposed defence to it, Acro?
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On March 16 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
Just to make it clear in 2 bullet points
- yesterday DP read the posts on Foolish and found them so convincing that it was so easy to vote for him
- today he finds them as enlightening as a quagmire
No.
I am not very convinced by this. DP got pointed to the most relevant posts, read them and was convinced that Foolishness was scum. He then read the rest of the thread, which has a LOT of shit between you and Vivax concerning Foolishness' alignment. He knows Foolishness is town, and has to use the posts not to determine Foolishness' alignment, but yours. I don't know that I would put it as bluntly, but it took me quite a bit of reading and thinking about the game to realize that you were probably just wrong, not scum for relentlessly pushing Foolishness.
However, I don't like his defense: this above was what came to my mind immediately when reading the attack and I dismissed it. But as defense he brings up the check: if his entire reason for thinking Foolishness was scum was the CHECK, why bother mentioning the posts in the first place? He thought the parity check was truthful, and claims his own PM as evidence that this means Foolishness was scum. Why bother mentioning the posts? It seems like a post-hoc scramble to make sense of his actions.
So yeah, I think DP is scum. What do you think of Xfire?
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On March 17 2013 01:03 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
Just to make it clear in 2 bullet points
- yesterday DP read the posts on Foolish and found them so convincing that it was so easy to vote for him
- today he finds them as enlightening as a quagmire
No. I am not very convinced by this. DP got pointed to the most relevant posts, read them and was convinced that Foolishness was scum. He then read the rest of the thread, which has a LOT of shit between you and Vivax concerning Foolishness' alignment. He knows Foolishness is town, and has to use the posts not to determine Foolishness' alignment, but yours. I don't know that I would put it as bluntly, but it took me quite a bit of reading and thinking about the game to realize that you were probably just wrong, not scum for relentlessly pushing Foolishness. However, I don't like his defense: this above was what came to my mind immediately when reading the attack and I dismissed it. But as defense he brings up the check: if his entire reason for thinking Foolishness was scum was the CHECK, why bother mentioning the posts in the first place? He thought the parity check was truthful, and claims his own PM as evidence that this means Foolishness was scum. Why bother mentioning the posts? It seems like a post-hoc scramble to make sense of his actions. So yeah, I think DP is scum. What do you think of Xfire?
Aye, I'll get to Crossfire in a moment. One more thing about DP.
If it truly was that that made him vote for Foolishness, he would/should have mentioned it. It's actually glaringly obvious why he DIDN'T mention it (and why he is bullshitting) - DarthPunk *knows* that if he had given that as his justification for voting Foolishness, then the whole thread would have shouted at him. He claims he didn't know the check was unreliable, so if this is the case, why did he not mention in the slightest when he voted for him? It's nonsense.
Crossfire looks bad because Foolishness was his redeeming feature mainly. He keeps disappearing, coming back and apologising for playing badly... and disappearing again.
Honestly I think DP has the highest chance to flip mafia given Fool's flip, but I would vote for Crossfire too.
And despite the NKs, I still think Corazon was mafia. *shrug*
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marv can you god damn roleclaim
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On March 15 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:
I'll make it quite clear now.
If I am alive at LYLO, then lynch me.
Quote this post against me later. I plan to have all the mafia dead before LYLO.
It's really easy guys. We are at LYLO.
If marv is town, then mafia did nothing and all the vets played like retards and imploded while mafia lurked.
Or marv is scum, the whole town got played hard, and we should lynch him today.
##Vote: marvellosity
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oh lol we are, OP hasn't been updated at all
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On March 17 2013 01:20 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:
I'll make it quite clear now.
If I am alive at LYLO, then lynch me.
Quote this post against me later. I plan to have all the mafia dead before LYLO. It's really easy guys. We are at LYLO. If marv is town, then mafia did nothing and all the vets played like retards and imploded while mafia lurked. Or marv is scum, the whole town got played hard, and we should lynch him today. ##Vote: marvellosity
Its really easy guys, all you have to do is ignore how marv has been playing and realise that scum set him up just for today!!
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Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked?
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On March 17 2013 01:26 slOosh wrote:
Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked?
Im confused at what you see in his play that is scummy? Considering you 180ed your read yesterday which I assume meant that you thought that marv was town.
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On March 17 2013 01:27 DrParnassus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:26 slOosh wrote:
Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked? Im confused at what you see in his play that is scummy? Considering you 180ed your read yesterday which I assume meant that you thought that marv was town.
Hosting stuff.
sorry.
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On March 17 2013 01:18 prplhz wrote:
marv can you god damn roleclaim
i have no reason to at all, so no.
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[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:27 DrParnassus wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:26 slOosh wrote:
Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked?[/QUOTE]
Im confused at what you see in his play that is scummy? Considering you 180ed your read yesterday which I assume meant that you thought that marv was town.[/QUOTE]
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also I wasn't envisaging lylo to be day 3 -.-
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[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:27 DrParnassus wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:26 slOosh wrote:
Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked?[/QUOTE]
Im confused at what you see in his play that is scummy? Considering you 180ed your read yesterday which I assume meant that you thought that marv was town.[/QUOTE]
Sorry accidently post wrong stuff.
related to hosting
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i'm down with marv
##Vote marvellosity
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glad to see you're critically appraising things as usual prplhz. nothing mroe than i expect from you though.
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