• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:10
CEST 05:10
KST 12:10
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202543Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced62
StarCraft 2
General
Official Ladder Map Pool Update (April 28, 2025) The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Global Tourney for College Students in September Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion StarCon Philadelphia Where is technical support? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced
Tourneys
[CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 608 users

Personality Mafia 2 - Page 195

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 193 194 195 196 197 230 Next
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 16 2013 15:10 GMT
#3881
On March 17 2013 00:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 00:05 marvellosity wrote:
On March 17 2013 00:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 17 2013 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
Then why didn't you say that at the time? You said the relevant posts, the ones I pointed you to.

no the relevant post is the one that said there were opposing cop checks. You are being blatantly manipulative now.

Which is weird because manipulation comes from pushing an agenda rather than seeking the truth. Which are you doing with me?


You asked for Foolish's case and the rebuttal

I told you where to find them

You came back and said it was easy

what am I manipulating? You're telling me something totally unverifiable after the fact and accusing me of manipulating? Are you for real?


The way you present your argument is that the relevant posts are the posts in which you pointed me towards. they are not. And anyone with half a brain would KNOW that deciphering your mess was impossible to be easy. it was ONLY easy because of the cop check. and after that I just sheeped you because you are a good player until I could catch up with the thread. Ciao


No, the timeline is exactly as I stated it, and it is in your filter for anyone to see.

Further, in at least 95% of cases where my cop check was brought up, it was also brought up it was untrustworthy.

If you truly found that to be the relevant thing you found, and NOT THE THINGS YOU SAID YOU WERE LOOKING AT, you should have damn well said so.

Now you're just making stuff up after the fact.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
March 16 2013 15:47 GMT
#3882
gg all.


We're not lynching stutters today. Anyone who continues to argue hard for a stutters lynch is mafia. stutters MIGHT be mafia. Aspects of his play are scummy. But if you're arguing that, with all the information we had + everything we learn from the NKs that we should be lynching stutters in lylo, you're mafia or just being dumb.


Everyone should, at the very least, reread Foolishness's posts. We were wrong. We have zombie supersoft's posts to look at, and we have Foolishness's posts. That's two strong town players that were around a while. We don't need to be sheeping their reads, especially as either one or both (and likely both, given the deaths last night) of supersoft's sure mafia are town, but before we fill the thread with crap, read their stuff.


I'm currently of the mind that today's lynch is probably marv, DP, vivax.
Fe fi fo fum.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
March 16 2013 15:48 GMT
#3883
Okay. Some important announcements. The first of which is that Cora must have been town

There were 5!!! NKs. If we accept that the Foolishness kill came from the sleeper cell, that still leaves 4 NKs, all on people who were unsuspected of being scum and thus terrible vigi targets. So either scum has 2 1-shot KP roles that they used last night, or there are still 5 scummers to give them 3 KP. I think one scum vigi seems like a decent assumption to make. Two is too much.

If a townie took a shot last night, they should CLAIM right now, otherwise I will assume Cora was town and base my reads on that.




The second is that I still think Marv is town, and his reads were terribly wrong. Then again, so were my own. So were Supersoft, Promethelax, StrongandBig and Iamperfection. These are all players whose opinion I respect. Them ALL being wrong about Foolishness says that Marv is not really to blame for having a bad bead on him.

Of course, part of the reason for having a scumread on Foolishness was because of the tunnel. However, the tunnel did two things: it made Foolishness look scummy and made Marv look townie. Think about it: if Marv is scum would he really spend his entire game tunneling a town Foolishness? From his past games I get the feeling that scum-Marv is a LOT more careful and uses NKs to take out dangerous townies. So this is uncharacteristic for his scum game. He comes out of the tunnel looking terrible: I think scum-Marv does one thing very well, which is to avoid looking terrible. Just look at Hero mafia. He is very careful about who and how he pushes.




So that put me on another new track: who tried to keep a low profile, and maybe even look good with the Foolishness lynch.

  • Vivax proclaimed Foolishness town and ranted and railed at EVERYBODY, including confirmed townies. While he looks good for having his reads right, I would never call this keeping a low profile. I would also not say he looks good because of his read on Foolishness: despite him being right, I for one am still not taking him seriously. So he didn't even gain anything with his antics.
  • Sloosh had Foolishness as a town read for a long time. However, just before the NKs happened he flipped 180º and was calling Foolishness scum. I am on the fence on this one. Marv was badgering Sloosh a LOT at the time and he might just have felt the heat and caved. But if you know you'll be vindicated at the flip, you can just pull out righteous anger, proclaim your town read on Foolishness, call everybody stupid and wait the few hours to be proved right. Need to know more about how Sloosh plays and whether he is a ballsy mafia, or a try-to-fly-under-the-radar mafia.
  • Xfire. Xfire has had 3 scumreads all game and hasn't pushed any of them. He called Foolish scum twice, without ever giving any reasoning about it, and always after other people already had that read and it was fairly "safe" to do so. His only redeeming quality has been the nuke on Foolish:
    On March 13 2013 23:46 Crossfire99 wrote:
    Hi guys. I sucked this game and I'm sorry. I actually have some free time now so I'll try and redeem myself. I'll begin by doing this.

    ##NUKE: Foolishness

    I'll also vote for Vivax cause he's scum.

    ##Vote: Vivax

    One thing we may assume is that scum wanted Foolishness dead about as much as town did, so in hindsight throwing this nuke is not a town tell at all. So lets see what else this post says: unnecessary apology and a promise of future activity. Was there future activity? NO. Xfire is scum. Also, Foolishness thought Xfire was scum. So did Supersoft.
  • Yamato. Seeing as Foolishness was town we should look at his reads. He was pretty sure about Yamato and Marv. While I still think he's wrong about Marv and they got stuck in a stupid tunnel at each other, Yamato deserves another look. He has been flying under the radar quite a bit and essentially coasting along on the lack of suspicion after shooting Kurumi in the face. I haven't yet had time to analyze him properly, so no conclusions here, but everybody needs to put Yamato back on their list.


Those are the main associations I have for Foolishness. Everybody else acted like I would expect from them. A minor blip on my scumdar was Oats, who was all flipfloppy about Foolishness, but he ALWAYS acts erratic, and his scumtells aren't the fact that his reads ar all over the place, but his timidity. He is not playing timid this game.




Stutters: I do not trust your sleeper cell. Was anybody else recruited into a sleeper cell?




Other reads:

risk.nuke's inactivity is a meta scumtell. His reads have been absent, he has pushed nothing and he is doing nothing this game.

DarthPunk is still scum for all the reasons I said before. His Stutters case convinces me not at all and his push against Marv is unconvincing.

HiroPro: similar to risk.nuke, except I don't know his meta as well.




It is lylo. We absolutely need to pick a scum or we lose the game. I am surest about Xfire at the moment. He promises activity where there isn't any. Apologizes for being useless when he was purposefully roleplaying in order to BE useless and the only thing that made me think he was town has disappeared.

##vote Crossfire99
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 16 2013 15:55 GMT
#3884
what do you make of the things I pointed out DP and his supposed defence to it, Acro?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17993 Posts
March 16 2013 16:03 GMT
#3885
On March 16 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
Just to make it clear in 2 bullet points

- yesterday DP read the posts on Foolish and found them so convincing that it was so easy to vote for him
- today he finds them as enlightening as a quagmire

No.

I am not very convinced by this. DP got pointed to the most relevant posts, read them and was convinced that Foolishness was scum. He then read the rest of the thread, which has a LOT of shit between you and Vivax concerning Foolishness' alignment. He knows Foolishness is town, and has to use the posts not to determine Foolishness' alignment, but yours. I don't know that I would put it as bluntly, but it took me quite a bit of reading and thinking about the game to realize that you were probably just wrong, not scum for relentlessly pushing Foolishness.

However, I don't like his defense: this above was what came to my mind immediately when reading the attack and I dismissed it. But as defense he brings up the check: if his entire reason for thinking Foolishness was scum was the CHECK, why bother mentioning the posts in the first place? He thought the parity check was truthful, and claims his own PM as evidence that this means Foolishness was scum. Why bother mentioning the posts? It seems like a post-hoc scramble to make sense of his actions.

So yeah, I think DP is scum. What do you think of Xfire?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 16 2013 16:09 GMT
#3886
On March 17 2013 01:03 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2013 23:56 marvellosity wrote:
Just to make it clear in 2 bullet points

- yesterday DP read the posts on Foolish and found them so convincing that it was so easy to vote for him
- today he finds them as enlightening as a quagmire

No.

I am not very convinced by this. DP got pointed to the most relevant posts, read them and was convinced that Foolishness was scum. He then read the rest of the thread, which has a LOT of shit between you and Vivax concerning Foolishness' alignment. He knows Foolishness is town, and has to use the posts not to determine Foolishness' alignment, but yours. I don't know that I would put it as bluntly, but it took me quite a bit of reading and thinking about the game to realize that you were probably just wrong, not scum for relentlessly pushing Foolishness.

However, I don't like his defense: this above was what came to my mind immediately when reading the attack and I dismissed it. But as defense he brings up the check: if his entire reason for thinking Foolishness was scum was the CHECK, why bother mentioning the posts in the first place? He thought the parity check was truthful, and claims his own PM as evidence that this means Foolishness was scum. Why bother mentioning the posts? It seems like a post-hoc scramble to make sense of his actions.

So yeah, I think DP is scum. What do you think of Xfire?


Aye, I'll get to Crossfire in a moment. One more thing about DP.

If it truly was that that made him vote for Foolishness, he would/should have mentioned it. It's actually glaringly obvious why he DIDN'T mention it (and why he is bullshitting) - DarthPunk *knows* that if he had given that as his justification for voting Foolishness, then the whole thread would have shouted at him. He claims he didn't know the check was unreliable, so if this is the case, why did he not mention in the slightest when he voted for him? It's nonsense.

Crossfire looks bad because Foolishness was his redeeming feature mainly. He keeps disappearing, coming back and apologising for playing badly... and disappearing again.

Honestly I think DP has the highest chance to flip mafia given Fool's flip, but I would vote for Crossfire too.

And despite the NKs, I still think Corazon was mafia. *shrug*
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 16 2013 16:18 GMT
#3887
marv can you god damn roleclaim
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
March 16 2013 16:20 GMT
#3888
On March 15 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:
I'll make it quite clear now.

If I am alive at LYLO, then lynch me.

Quote this post against me later. I plan to have all the mafia dead before LYLO.

It's really easy guys. We are at LYLO.
If marv is town, then mafia did nothing and all the vets played like retards and imploded while mafia lurked.
Or marv is scum, the whole town got played hard, and we should lynch him today.

##Vote: marvellosity
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 16 2013 16:22 GMT
#3889
... we're at lylo?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 16 2013 16:23 GMT
#3890
oh lol we are, OP hasn't been updated at all
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 16 2013 16:23 GMT
#3891
On March 17 2013 01:20 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote:
I'll make it quite clear now.

If I am alive at LYLO, then lynch me.

Quote this post against me later. I plan to have all the mafia dead before LYLO.

It's really easy guys. We are at LYLO.
If marv is town, then mafia did nothing and all the vets played like retards and imploded while mafia lurked.
Or marv is scum, the whole town got played hard, and we should lynch him today.

##Vote: marvellosity


Its really easy guys, all you have to do is ignore how marv has been playing and realise that scum set him up just for today!!

No gg, No skill.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
March 16 2013 16:26 GMT
#3892
Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked?
DrParnassus
Profile Joined March 2013
Afghanistan565 Posts
March 16 2013 16:27 GMT
#3893
On March 17 2013 01:26 slOosh wrote:
Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked?


Im confused at what you see in his play that is scummy? Considering you 180ed your read yesterday which I assume meant that you thought that marv was town.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 16:31:22
March 16 2013 16:28 GMT
#3894
On March 17 2013 01:27 DrParnassus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2013 01:26 slOosh wrote:
Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked?


Im confused at what you see in his play that is scummy? Considering you 180ed your read yesterday which I assume meant that you thought that marv was town.

Hosting stuff.
sorry.
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 16 2013 16:29 GMT
#3895
On March 17 2013 01:18 prplhz wrote:
marv can you god damn roleclaim


i have no reason to at all, so no.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-16 16:31:59
March 16 2013 16:29 GMT
#3896
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:27 DrParnassus wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:26 slOosh wrote:
Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked?[/QUOTE]

Im confused at what you see in his play that is scummy? Considering you 180ed your read yesterday which I assume meant that you thought that marv was town.[/QUOTE]

No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 16 2013 16:30 GMT
#3897
also I wasn't envisaging lylo to be day 3 -.-
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 16 2013 16:30 GMT
#3898
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:27 DrParnassus wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 01:26 slOosh wrote:
Did I say we ignore marv's play all game? So you think all the vets played like retards while mafia lurked?[/QUOTE]

Im confused at what you see in his play that is scummy? Considering you 180ed your read yesterday which I assume meant that you thought that marv was town.[/QUOTE]

Sorry accidently post wrong stuff.
related to hosting
No gg, No skill.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 16 2013 16:31 GMT
#3899
i'm down with marv

##Vote marvellosity
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 16 2013 16:32 GMT
#3900
glad to see you're critically appraising things as usual prplhz. nothing mroe than i expect from you though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Prev 1 193 194 195 196 197 230 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
DaveTesta Events
00:00
Kirktown Co-op 1v1 Bash
davetesta63
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 163
RuFF_SC2 154
Livibee 75
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 227
ggaemo 109
HiyA 97
NaDa 83
Bale 17
Icarus 5
Stormgate
WinterStarcraft743
PiGStarcraft476
Dota 2
monkeys_forever907
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 640
Stewie2K620
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox541
Mew2King36
Other Games
summit1g10527
shahzam961
JimRising 473
ViBE205
C9.Mang0180
Maynarde122
NeuroSwarm20
ZombieGrub19
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1590
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 7
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 45
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Stunt245
Other Games
• Scarra966
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
6h 50m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
7h 50m
Replay Cast
20h 50m
LiuLi Cup
1d 7h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 11h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
RSL Revival
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
CSO Cup
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
RotterdaM Event
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.