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On March 15 2013 22:04 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:02 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:58 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:51 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:43 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:42 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:22 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
STARSENSES
Fool
sloosh
Hiro
Sutters
prplhose
four out of five are scum.
wheeee why hiro and why not risk? more importantly why not? because i don't see what you see in hiro and i don't see how people differentiate between me and risk now your turn if you don't want to answer both questions then the first one is the important one and the second one is really just because i'm curious but i dont wanna answer either! why not? too much work i don't want a textwall, i hardly ever do just a couple of lines with your thoughts why do you want the thoughts on hiro, not the ones on you? That's not defensive enough, scum should be very defensive.
can't you just give me those fucking thought jesus christ
i don't care about your opinion on me because it's wrong and i'm not getting me lynched right now anyway. i don't have a strong read on hiro though so i'd like your thoughts on him because you look townie to me.
now can you please stop being a pain in the ass and just answer my god damn question about why you think what you think.
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:37 Vivax wrote:
Your case is built up on me not following supersoft when I had other reads than him just cause I commented positively on other things.
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Problem?
Is now every guy scum who agrees with someone on some points but doesn't follow him in his reads? Nope, that's not what I said. What I said was a complete refusal to engage at all. I don't mind you disagreeing with his reads. I don't mind you being wrong, Vivax. I expect you to be eternally wrong. What I do mind is you not trying, even one little bit, to understand where supersoft was coming from.
Still doesn't make me scum. Every other post not spent figuring out where supersoft came from was a post trying to figure out things on my own.
This is an awful reason to argue I'm scum. In fact it still doesn't make me trust you.
I fried Corazon early over a mistake, which I wouldn't do as scum, before yamato wreaked havoc over the thread (I still think he should be lynched), how about looking for falsification and not confirmation?
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On March 15 2013 22:46 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:04 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 22:02 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:58 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:51 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:43 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:42 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:23 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:22 prplhz wrote:
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why hiro and why not risk? more importantly why not? because i don't see what you see in hiro and i don't see how people differentiate between me and risk now your turn if you don't want to answer both questions then the first one is the important one and the second one is really just because i'm curious but i dont wanna answer either! why not? too much work i don't want a textwall, i hardly ever do just a couple of lines with your thoughts why do you want the thoughts on hiro, not the ones on you? That's not defensive enough, scum should be very defensive. can't you just give me those fucking thought jesus christ i don't care about your opinion on me because it's wrong and i'm not getting me lynched right now anyway. i don't have a strong read on hiro though so i'd like your thoughts on him because you look townie to me. now can you please stop being a pain in the ass and just answer my god damn question about why you think what you think.
Who ever said I think?
I'll replace prpl (dat's you) with Vivax on my list.
And Hiro with Cross.
Now it's my actual scum list:
Fool
sloosh
vivax
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Sutters
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But actually I just saw that Cora was pushing yam really early so yam should be treated as confirmed town I guess.
Just read this if you think I'm scum:
On March 11 2013 07:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 06:31 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of? What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"? I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... [vivax] You think his argument is very good? His case is pretty big what exactly do you think is good about it or what parts do you think are good? If you think his argument is good why aren't you pushing Oats and say we're far away from deadline? [/vivax] I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen. I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. I don't think I said I wanted to hammer you it's just strange that you comment on someone's case as being very good without reacting to it by either voting for the guy in the case or putting it into relation with your own case. I don't understand why you are so afraid of me I just asked you something that made me curious  Why aren't you trying to persuade me about the yamato lynch then? You too Kurumi I only asked you to write in a way that is understandable I don't get why you react like that (also you failed to roleplay didn't I break the Chezinu role or something like that ?  )
On March 11 2013 07:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote:On March 11 2013 07:37 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
just looks and feels like town oats so far, s&b Have you forgotten that we are roleplaying ? Marv what do you make of Corazon please. I want corazon to answer my questions. Well those are also my questions cause the way he handled S & B's post doesn't make much sense, he dodged my question now he seems to be dodging yours which is essentially the same. He kinda looks to me like noob scum, says things that look acceptable without showing real interest behind what he's saying. He doesn't pursue his own case while saying S & B's is very good but doesn't push for an Oats lynch either.
On March 11 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 07:07 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 06:31 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of? What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"? I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand. I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that... Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted... [vivax] You think his argument is very good? His case is pretty big what exactly do you think is good about it or what parts do you think are good? If you think his argument is good why aren't you pushing Oats and say we're far away from deadline? [/vivax] I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen. I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple. I don't think I said I wanted to hammer you it's just strange that you comment on someone's case as being very good without reacting to it by either voting for the guy in the case or putting it into relation with your own case. I don't understand why you are so afraid of me I just asked you something that made me curious Why aren't you trying to persuade me about the yamato lynch then? You too Kurumi I only asked you to write in a way that is understandable I don't get why you react like that (also you failed to roleplay didn't I break the Chezinu role or something like that ? ) I'm not afraid of you, it's just that I don't trust anyone right now, and I could see how scum Vivax would turn that around on me. I'll be coming out with a case a few hours before the deadline. It's too early now and I know that cases presented too early in the day just lose so much traction (My case on WB in NMM 37). Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote:On March 11 2013 06:47 Kurumi wrote:
oh I will repeat that
I AM A SCUM ROLE AND I AM TOWN ALIGNED AND I WANT TO DIE SO WE CAN AVOID THE POSSIBILITY OF ME BEING A MOLE
thanks so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is? hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia. By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?). Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish. Dude, this shitty logic is bad for your standards Marv. Why are you attacking me for having the same view as you? We literally just said the same thing (like the case but don't want to vote for it). You are saying that you are not going to vote because it does not make Oats mafia and I said I'd rather see Yamato lynched than Oats. What is the problem with that? The thing is, Oats' meta is not the main part of the case. BnS laid out many reasons as to why he thinks Oats is scum and I just made a comment that I liked his case and that it had a lot of valid points in it. Let me ask you this Marv: Would you rather I... Say "I agree with SnB" and just vote for Oats? or Say "I think it's a good case but I'm going to continue to scumhunt and push my top scum read" If you prefer #1 it would be such a glaring scumtell.
Also I don't understand why you swayed off from lynching him D1 marv and preferred going for Bugs/xfire/me later on.
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On March 15 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
That is my non-meta explanation.
I also don't try consciously to change my meta every game (although many aspects change apparently cause people keep saying they never know if I'm scum or town), so far I never had a lurky town meta, but I had a lurky scum meta, that's a consequence of motivation to play the game.
MTG2 you were pretty lurky at the start and I specifically remember you pointing to some other game where you lurked at the start of the game as town, to back up your "I never lurk as scum, but do as town" reason. Stop this line of reasoning right now. Your town and scum meta are very similar, but I feel the difference is in the conviction with which you push your reads.
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On March 15 2013 23:07 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
That is my non-meta explanation.
I also don't try consciously to change my meta every game (although many aspects change apparently cause people keep saying they never know if I'm scum or town), so far I never had a lurky town meta, but I had a lurky scum meta, that's a consequence of motivation to play the game. MTG2 you were pretty lurky at the start and I specifically remember you pointing to some other game where you lurked at the start of the game as town, to back up your "I never lurk as scum, but do as town" reason. Stop this line of reasoning right now. Your town and scum meta are very similar, but I feel the difference is in the conviction with which you push your reads.
Vivax was in MtG2?
Since when?
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Since he wants me to be scum.
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On March 15 2013 22:54 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:46 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 22:04 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 22:02 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:58 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:51 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:43 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:42 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
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more importantly why not? because i don't see what you see in hiro and i don't see how people differentiate between me and risk now your turn if you don't want to answer both questions then the first one is the important one and the second one is really just because i'm curious but i dont wanna answer either! why not? too much work i don't want a textwall, i hardly ever do just a couple of lines with your thoughts why do you want the thoughts on hiro, not the ones on you? That's not defensive enough, scum should be very defensive. can't you just give me those fucking thought jesus christ i don't care about your opinion on me because it's wrong and i'm not getting me lynched right now anyway. i don't have a strong read on hiro though so i'd like your thoughts on him because you look townie to me. now can you please stop being a pain in the ass and just answer my god damn question about why you think what you think. Who ever said I think? I'll replace prpl (dat's you) with Vivax on my list. And Hiro with Cross. Now it's my actual scum list: Fool sloosh vivax cross Sutters l0l
Fine. Your reads are all over the place. We talked quite a lot about stutters in MTG2. Why do you think his play here is so different? Or is he scum by elimination?
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Promethelax, are you around? Interested in a couple things.
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On March 15 2013 23:10 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:54 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 22:46 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 22:04 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 22:02 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:58 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:51 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 21:43 prplhz wrote:On March 15 2013 21:42 prplhz wrote:
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because i don't see what you see in hiro
and i don't see how people differentiate between me and risk
now your turn if you don't want to answer both questions then the first one is the important one and the second one is really just because i'm curious but i dont wanna answer either! why not? too much work i don't want a textwall, i hardly ever do just a couple of lines with your thoughts why do you want the thoughts on hiro, not the ones on you? That's not defensive enough, scum should be very defensive. can't you just give me those fucking thought jesus christ i don't care about your opinion on me because it's wrong and i'm not getting me lynched right now anyway. i don't have a strong read on hiro though so i'd like your thoughts on him because you look townie to me. now can you please stop being a pain in the ass and just answer my god damn question about why you think what you think. Who ever said I think? I'll replace prpl (dat's you) with Vivax on my list. And Hiro with Cross. Now it's my actual scum list: Fool sloosh vivax cross Sutters l0l Fine. Your reads are all over the place. We talked quite a lot about stutters in MTG2. Why do you think his play here is so different? Or is he scum by elimination?
Do you actually remember MtG?
Stutters was really, really townie in that game.
Not seeing that here, tho I also didn't see it in MtG.
I think he's scum because he didn't have the common courtesy of getting his useless self modkilled yet.
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On March 15 2013 23:08 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 23:07 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
That is my non-meta explanation.
I also don't try consciously to change my meta every game (although many aspects change apparently cause people keep saying they never know if I'm scum or town), so far I never had a lurky town meta, but I had a lurky scum meta, that's a consequence of motivation to play the game. MTG2 you were pretty lurky at the start and I specifically remember you pointing to some other game where you lurked at the start of the game as town, to back up your "I never lurk as scum, but do as town" reason. Stop this line of reasoning right now. Your town and scum meta are very similar, but I feel the difference is in the conviction with which you push your reads. Vivax was in MtG2? Since when?
Talking about Marv's meta, not Vivax. Marv is using his OWN meta to make a meta read on Vivax, which just seems completely pointless. Moreso because he is misquoting his own meta.
I think Vivax is probably town, he is too fucking insane to be scum (and I caught him when observing his scumgames, because he is far more placating as scum than as town). So yeah, I will shoot down bogus arguments when I see them.
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On March 15 2013 22:51 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 22:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 22:37 Vivax wrote:
Your case is built up on me not following supersoft when I had other reads than him just cause I commented positively on other things.
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Is now every guy scum who agrees with someone on some points but doesn't follow him in his reads? Nope, that's not what I said. What I said was a complete refusal to engage at all. I don't mind you disagreeing with his reads. I don't mind you being wrong, Vivax. I expect you to be eternally wrong. What I do mind is you not trying, even one little bit, to understand where supersoft was coming from. Still doesn't make me scum. Every other post not spent figuring out where supersoft came from was a post trying to figure out things on my own. This is an awful reason to argue I'm scum. In fact it still doesn't make me trust you. I fried Corazon early over a mistake, which I wouldn't do as scum, before yamato wreaked havoc over the thread (I still think he should be lynched), how about looking for falsification and not confirmation?
I've been looking for falsification all game, why do you think it's night 2 and I'm only now coming to a read I'm happy with?
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On March 15 2013 23:12 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 23:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 23:07 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
That is my non-meta explanation.
I also don't try consciously to change my meta every game (although many aspects change apparently cause people keep saying they never know if I'm scum or town), so far I never had a lurky town meta, but I had a lurky scum meta, that's a consequence of motivation to play the game. MTG2 you were pretty lurky at the start and I specifically remember you pointing to some other game where you lurked at the start of the game as town, to back up your "I never lurk as scum, but do as town" reason. Stop this line of reasoning right now. Your town and scum meta are very similar, but I feel the difference is in the conviction with which you push your reads. Vivax was in MtG2? Since when? Talking about Marv's meta, not Vivax. Marv is using his OWN meta to make a meta read on Vivax, which just seems completely pointless. Moreso because he is misquoting his own meta. I think Vivax is probably town, he is too fucking insane to be scum (and I caught him when observing his scumgames, because he is far more placating as scum than as town). So yeah, I will shoot down bogus arguments when I see them.
Being anit-town 24/7 is really easy to "fake" as scum.
You don't even have to fake it.
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On March 15 2013 23:12 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 23:08 Dandel Ion wrote:On March 15 2013 23:07 Acrofales wrote:On March 15 2013 22:39 Vivax wrote:
That is my non-meta explanation.
I also don't try consciously to change my meta every game (although many aspects change apparently cause people keep saying they never know if I'm scum or town), so far I never had a lurky town meta, but I had a lurky scum meta, that's a consequence of motivation to play the game. MTG2 you were pretty lurky at the start and I specifically remember you pointing to some other game where you lurked at the start of the game as town, to back up your "I never lurk as scum, but do as town" reason. Stop this line of reasoning right now. Your town and scum meta are very similar, but I feel the difference is in the conviction with which you push your reads. Vivax was in MtG2? Since when? Talking about Marv's meta, not Vivax. Marv is using his OWN meta to make a meta read on Vivax, which just seems completely pointless. Moreso because he is misquoting his own meta. I think Vivax is probably town, he is too fucking insane to be scum (and I caught him when observing his scumgames, because he is far more placating as scum than as town). So yeah, I will shoot down bogus arguments when I see them.
what drugs are you on? I'm doing nothing of the sort?
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Oh fuck. I read Vivax post as coming from Marv. Brainfart. Never mind. I'm an idiot. Ignore what I said.
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marv i don't think vivax is scum.
I think the fact he doesn't listen to supersoft is an extremely weak point since its pretty clear he doesn't really listen to anyone or anything.
You said you found his first couple to be extremely fake to me it looks like someone that just got served a big fat slice of humble pie.
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On March 15 2013 23:30 iamperfection wrote:
marv i don't think vivax is scum.
I think the fact he doesn't listen to supersoft is an extremely weak point since its pretty clear he doesn't really listen to anyone or anything.
You said you found his first couple to be extremely fake to me it looks like someone that just got served a big fat slice of humble pie.
I knew you'd think that, and I still disagree.
Fortunately we have slOosh to do this and I'm still hoping town KP does us a favour with Vivax at some stage.
I'm gonna try find one more mafia later that I'm reasonably sure on.
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EBWOP: slOosh to deal with
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by the way, iamperfection, these are two of Vivax's votes in LIX:
On January 25 2013 01:05 Vivax wrote:
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##Vote FiveTouch
On January 25 2013 07:19 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote gonzaw
Vivax went insane and voted for me, and yet listened to reason, listened to other people, and went back to gonzaw.
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You say I can't use meta cause I said I change it every game but if you use it it's fine?
My interactions with Cora early are strong proof that I'm town. I was the first to call him out on not being consistent with what he had told about S&B's case.
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