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nobodywonder
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Gonna reread our policy and see if theres anything to do | ||
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On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote: Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! In addition to Daishi I dont think bduddy? (Did I spell it right) has posted | ||
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nobodywonder
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Stop lurking and contribute ~ | ||
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Vote: ##bduddy | ||
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Idk this situation. Well I feel provoking a response from lurkers would be nice | ||
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we need to create an atmosphere of clarity, and transparency and one main thing is no lurkers. thats why i voted bduddy, just want him to respond. we need a fundamental level of contribution. we cant have an afk town and win. we cant let lurkers lurk. thats a very dangerous situation - can lead to mislynchs and town HAS to pressure to contributing. | ||
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SO Pressuring lurkers to contribute => they contribute. the goal is get contribution (not to lynch, unless necessarily) | ||
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anyways sleepy | ||
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@OmniEulogy, as for the lynching, I'd still say if I can't find concrete proof of scum, then I would just get rid of the scummiest lurker, still in this case bduddy. personal issues, i dont buy it completely. regardless, he should give some takes @Chew thats what I'm contributing. telling the lurkers to speak up and contribute disregarding lurkers, i'd say the most suspicious active is Krafla he hasn't really contributed. all he says is to reserve judgment and not vote, but his gut says a no-lynch would be a bad thing. i'd say that's a contradiction and that he should really be actively pursuing leads. most of his statements have been rather wishy-washy And his observation that reserved judgment about me was right after WoS's statement that reserved judgment for me. and also his post about Taco, which was also right after Matriarch. I dont think this is coincidence These actions can be summarized by attitudes such as 1. indecision 2. not wanting to point fingers 3. avoiding responsibility. he takes no definite positions that would risk his flexibility and result in self-contradictions. | ||
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@Krafla I'd really like to see why you suspect Taco. Give reasons, don't just second someone. You're looking scummy in my eyes. | ||
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Definitely will switch to Krafla after bduddy's reaction. | ||
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@OE.. hmmmm his posts are really long and windy, just check his filter. just like krafla, his posts are either useless or just too long, may indicate somewhat scummy + Show Spoiler + Alright.. not much to work with and if anybody has any counter-questions for me please ask. Even if you think it's a dumb question, it's best to get them out of the way. I'd like to try and get some discussion going so.. @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla+ Show Spoiler + karla @ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1. @WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it? @Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process? @Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody? @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious? @NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker? @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. @Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors? If I missed anybody sorry =/ however one of the most interesting thing is where he chastises Raven + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2013 04:14 TheRavensName wrote: Show nested quote + Cause I dunno what I am doing and its what all the cool kids are doing? And I talk about bussing cause I mea the only mafia I've really played is the SC2 one, its realy really common to bus on it. So I just kinda assumed its the same way here. I'm just dumb I guess? As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit. First thing On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post? To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time. However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party. The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then. I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly. This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations. why would he even defend Raven? Raven has played like a noob or somewhat scummy (see: "I guess I'm just dumb"), why wouldn't OE try to pressure Raven. As I see it, OE and Raven have the same allegiance and confirm each other's role. therefore possibly both mafia or chobolings. | ||
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ok cool thanks bduddy for contributing, agree about the Arctic Daishi thing. I'd like replies from the non-voters too. I will reread the filters and get ready to make my case. | ||
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No need for yourself to declare innonence so early while other possible bandwagoners such as Chew haven't explained themselves. I expect you to expect great things - of both town and scum. MLuneth + Show Spoiler + ##Vote: nobodywonder This vote is basically the result suspiciously targeting lurkers but more importantly the lack of an acceptable coherent defence. Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker? remember MLuneth, you yourself targeted lurkers and that was Arctic Daishi, lurked, and did not switch vote until after basically a consensus was made by the forum to ignore Daishi As for your question to Rainbow, what circumstances would you lynch a lurker. this question isn't even irrelevant. the consensus was already made. this post only strikes to further meaningless talk. besides that seems more like a PM to the town or scum coach. On March 08 2013 14:52 MLuneth wrote: EBWOP My view at the time was and still remains is that unless I am confident that there is a high chance of an active person being scum I will Vote for an inactive scummy Lurker alright, show your confidence in me being scum. you should have switched your vote a lot sooner then | ||
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On March 09 2013 01:58 Arctic Daishi wrote: Raven and Wave retracted their votes for Karfla, I figured I would follow in suite. Sorry, I'm such a noob at this. I'd like to hear your thoughts on scumreads, stay up to date. Chew explain your vote on me and hows your scumreads | ||
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after all, most of you guys all have rather small filters and this hinders what other people can make of you | ||
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On March 08 2013 01:25 ChewOnStu wrote: Lynch All Lurkers can be a pretty scummy tactic as it gives scum an excuse to kill off town. PRESSURING lurkers on the otherhand... However I believe its still a little early to consider someone lurking at the moment. Also going to withhold my vote until i have more to go on. Ok, you believe that pressuring lurkers is good, but you're hesitant, since it's early game. So valid, yet you never pressure anyone. You're just content to sit back. As town, why would you do so? As scum, it's a perfect justification for lurking and waiting. On March 08 2013 02:20 ChewOnStu wrote: @OmniEulogy I meant that lynching purely for posting little/not posting at all could be bad. However simply voting for a lurker can put pressure on them to talk and then if the person voting is satisfied with said lurkers answer they should remove their vote, so i agree with this. However, putting pressure on a lurker and not having a response by near the end of the day then a prod/replacement could be potentially needed. Although to completely answer your question: Lurkers could be questioned for reads, opinions etc as well as being voted for. This is so wishy-washy, your logic is confounded by however this, however that. Make a stand 1. Lynch lurkers maybe bad 2. Vote lurker may put pressure, I agree 3. If pressured lurker replies, then good 4. you summarize: lurkers could be questioned for reads, opinions? with pt 4, I'm wondering why don't you pursue lurkers then. You should some of questioning for reads, opinions and voting. All these actions contrast with your sudden vote on me On March 08 2013 03:08 ChewOnStu wrote: Im finding nobodywonder scummy too for complaining about lurkers not contributing yet he's barely contributed anything himself. ##vote: nobodywonder @nobodywonder what do you make of the game so far? Any suspicions other than bduddy's lack of posting? You reserved so much judgment about getting lurkers, yet you are so eager to simply follow, at that time's Taco's vote on me. Hardcore sheep. If you're town, the only explanation is that you're a noobie, but I doubt it because I believe if you're town, you would show your thought process. Against me your only evidence is that I am scummy because I complain about lurkers and I have no contributions. But you, yourself, reserved judgment lurkers and have few contributions. Why are you so against my complaining? 1. Your sudden reversal from no lynch but pressure lurkers to vote me feels scummy. I feel it's a too convienent way for you to stay away from attention with your reserved judgment on lurkers. That combined with your lack of following your own policy seems very contradictory and if not scummy, is poor town play. 2. You havent actively contributed, and have only replied to questions. As town, why? You need to be proactive and get going. Stick your neck out. 3. Attacking me is an easy and convenient way out and is not consistent with your 1) lurker policy 2) lack of active contributions 4. Lastly you poked me with a question, I answered it. That would have a great moment for you to contribute and say what you feel about my then scumread Krafla to show your towniness. Why would you ever avoid an opportunity to contribute to the discussion. and now you have fell off the face of the earth after this vote. Rainbow and Meat called you out on this. I call out you too, you are one of my top scumreads. Explain yourself ##Unvote ##ChewOnStu | ||
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@WoS Yep coaching helped. There was some great advice. Before I thought I was okay, I just read the Newbie guides and to me, it seemed the main point on Day 1 was to get the ideal atmosphere, which included prodding lurkers. But I was too tunneled onto it and I didn't contribute myself, putting myself in a contradictory and scummy-looking position. but after coaching, I learned that I would also have to actively participate in discussions, look for scum and pressure lurkers. And so now, I am just doing that. | ||
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@WoS The quick change of mind and lack of commitment to the Luneth case make it seem like you're scrambling to find something that the rest of town can sheep onto and leave you alone though, and since these cases are on lurkers they're real easy to make since they're not exactly arguing with you..... I find the Chew case more convincing at the moment. Though the cases are on lurkers, well at least they have to say something... | ||
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@Frorgon why didn't you go after the super lurkers only now, why not earlier like me? @OE, Frorgon and MLuneth. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I didn't even go into it to try and prove him to be scum, let me know what you think of it I believe we've still got 4 hours till lynch. i thought you referred to Frogron as he. It was Taco, my bad | ||
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I second Omni's post about Arctic. I have to say you won't get any information from an Arctic lynch. On this basis, Frogron, you should change your vote on bduddy. for all your talk about contributions and your contributions in comparison to other posters such as bduddy and Arctic, you really need to make a stand | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:00 TheRavensName wrote: If we Lynch Arctic and he comes up Red though, we get a good deal out of it. Especially sense Meatless was pushing for us to forget about him cause he would just be replaced. holy shit, good catch Raven, this could be golden. | ||
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I'll be rereading filters and get the scumhunting going. | ||
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Right now, I'm a more in favor of a Daishi vote. He has looked quite scummy since appearing and his voting is rather lacking in conviction. He attempts to analyze, but it's severely lacking and since then he has virtually disappeared. If town, he should still be trying though to scumhunt. + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 06:07 Arctic Daishi wrote: I honestly do not believe that nobodywonder is scummy, he seems to honestly want what's best for the town. Also, he has been very defeatist since being accused and has stated his intention of welcoming his lynching if it helps the town. I hereby: Your strong case makes it seem as though Frorgon's scumminess is a forgone conclusion. But what I find really weird is that he seems to somewhat doubt OE's analyse of Frogron. see the italics on the word foregone. But yet he votes anyway as simply too great to ignore. MASSIVE SHEEP. [QUOTE]On March 09 2013 06:15 Arctic Daishi wrote: [QUOTE]On March 09 2013 06:10 Frorgon wrote: @Arctic What about Omni's case is so "great"? The claim that I have contributed the least? Because I'm pretty sure you've contributed less than me. Seems pretty easy for you to just sit back and buddy up with people without at least explaining why you like their case so much. In this post: [QUOTE]On March 08 2013 06:29 Frorgon wrote: @OmniEulogy I'm wondering why you asked me about what I thought was suspicious behavior. I clearly explained that in my initial post about the matter. It made me a bit uneasy about whether or not you were trying to get redundant information posted to cloud up the thread. As Wave said, the amount of posts you had started to raise a red flag for me. And don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily the amount of posts you had that was bad, it was that you seemed to be drowning the thread for a while with just your thoughts and limited discussion from others. That being said, I feel better about your contributions in the past few pages since other people have shown up.[/QUOTE] You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation?[/QUOTE] When prodded by Frogron, Arctic doesn't really explain why his thought process. All I know is that I want an explanation from Arctic Dash: I want to know what and how you are thinking things through. | ||
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clarify this. now i realize my name is terrible for mafia, lets have it such that people should refer me only as NW or wonder so thread doesnt get confused | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:48 MLuneth wrote: My vote in NW stays the same because there has still been no coherent defence to tell me why NW is not scum. I agree that other players are looking very suspicious too but I'm more confident that NW is scum than they are as for your vote still on me, based on your wording, I assume you're not pressure voting, but actually confidently voting in me. well use you should use your confidence to town then, why do you even then want/need to confront a coherent defense? | ||
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As for Taco. For generating content, it's not really content if it's rather directionless. So give us some reads, don't just try to act all innocent and excuse yourself from scumhunting when you yourself pointed the finger first. On March 09 2013 07:05 MeatlessTaco wrote: I've been re-reading the thread, only on page 25, trying to hurry up and then double check Frogron's and Chew's filters. I think the NW lynch has served its purpose. My defense quickly: My first read was picking someone was was scummy with very little information. I've been consistent in the opinion that without an instant lynch, vote for people, don't make long-winded threads saying "I don't like A, but B is bad, but maybe C". The thread had very little content. I wanted people to make a stand. Someone already caught on to this and I asked me if I really thought NW was my best scum read. I responded with how I had planned on attacking Raven, but it didn't play out like I wanted. The second I thought someone would be a better lynch than NW I switched my vote. I might switch from Chew to Frogron in a few minutes or I might not, I gotta read the last few pages and then take a look at their filters and my notes. TLDR: a bunch of lurkers saying "A or B or C might be bad, I dunno" isn't helpful. I want your stand, You say that NW has served its purpose. Show me that what purpose that was? ##Vote: MeatlessTaco | ||
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I do care about your reads. Any town shouldn't be discouraged whether or not his read matters, he needs to voice his opinion, participate and care. On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote: No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi and why do you say you want to post all your thoughts on day2? you can killed by mafia. this is seriously weird. The only 2 actives I could vote for, what does this mean? I cant follow you at all. So... Taco, again tell me: What is your stand? | ||
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and How does my quote have to do with anything that you just said? | ||
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I don't know what else to say. Either scum or reaallllllly bad townie. The coaches would have said good stuff...basically how to not play a bad townie... ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi | ||
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 Read up on the guides and hope to see you soon in another game. | ||
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btw check the vote tally again: He was the first to vote on Arctic Dash, but never switched and still had his vote on me at the time of the lynching. FoS | ||
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~ (c)awwwwww (c)awwwwwwwwwwww no one caught my pun spoiler. be careful mafia, i will punish you! on serious notes: I really do believe the possibility of busing Arctic. It was painfully obvious Arctic was going to get it. Although I'm curious, wouldn't mafia be there to advise Arctic's actions? So perhaps there are mafia in the lurkers. lurkers should say hi and contribute | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:30 MeatlessTaco wrote: If someone has a good case on OE, go ahead. I don't think he is confirmed town, but there are a lot better targets right now. In addition, why are you even asking for others to get a good case on OE. You know you can do it yourself or just wait for case itself. And then you say there are better targets? Then why even want a case on OE then right now. This action seems to deflect attention from yourself and muddle the thread. Again posts that are rather directionless and lacking in content. Who are you top scumreads and these better targets? | ||
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That said, Taco hasn't responded to either Omni's and my questions. I still find Taco suspicious, because his actions do not seem pro-town. My scumread is currently stronger on Taco. I think it would be made much more clear if Taco can respond to Omni, because it can shed more perspective on the true nature of Omni's actions. From there, I feel that the whole Omni vs geript issue will become more clear. On March 10 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Omni, who are your top scum reads and why? that geript 180. that was sudden and unexpected. I was really looking forward to your analysis of Omni's motivations and agenda. Are you still going to explain in more detail? On March 10 2013 09:45 geript wrote: Here's the option I like the most: ## vote omnieulogy You're interested in finding out Luneth's alignment and doesn't change a thing. I'll explain more in detail late tonight but here's a summary: Soft defenses of Artic Nothing but mudslinging Further suspicions without trying to actually pressure Overall no interest in pressuring players Interest in wasting time discussing worthless matters Presenting 2 bad cases without follow up As for Omni, well I will re-visit your argument on Taco and check your actions. | ||
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On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote: Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. On March 08 2013 02:58 MeatlessTaco wrote: There is no instant majority, if we change our mind in the next 36 hours, we can unvote and vote for someone else. Put down a vote and justify it. I am going to keep calling for votes on nobodywonder. I know his scumbuddies are trying to protect him, but the rest of town is just hedging bets. Initially in the game, he is very aggressive. He accuses me to “generate content”. However it also he also points fingers at Krafla, because of Krafla's reservations and wishy-washiness. He constantly prods Krafla to make a stand, and repeats that point several times. He then makes an ultimatium to Krafla to either side with him and me. Why does he do this? As town, perhaps he genuninely wants concrete arguments and stands. So far so good, yet from this point, his later actions will contradict his early agenda for concrete argument and justification, indicating scummy play. There are several situations that I will point to: 1) His case against me (or lack thereof) 2) Meaningless FoS at Raven 3) His scumreads. 1) His case against me On March 07 2013 17:10 MeatlessTaco wrote: Your play so far doesn't seem very helpful to the town. You've managed to make two posts with zero content. Are you going to agree with Karla who is just going to lynch a lurker, which doesn't seem very helpful to town, or are you going to agree with me who would like to lynch you? You are just trying to buddy up to WaveofShadow during the first day to not draw suspicion before your first night kill. You said you played before, so I don't buy the newbie act. The thing is that he never makes it. I did some scummy actions, yet he never commit to analyzing my actions and motives and agenda. Here again, he issues an ultimatum to me to agree with Karla or him. Why the hell would I agree to him to lynch myself? Why should I even bother to agree with him or not? All the ultimatum serves is to cover his lack of a real case against me. On March 08 2013 02:58 MeatlessTaco wrote: There is no instant majority, if we change our mind in the next 36 hours, we can unvote and vote for someone else. Put down a vote and justify it. I am going to keep calling for votes on nobodywonder. I knowhis scumbuddies are trying to protect him, but the rest of town is just hedging bets. Again here why does Taco push people to vote, at this point, and seemingly directed towards me? It seems like a diversionary attention to cause further confusion. 2) Meaningless FoS at Raven On March 08 2013 08:46 MeatlessTaco wrote: I wanted to pounce on Raven, his initial exuberance 10 min before game starts and then lurks for a long time like he's getting help from his scum mentor. Since then, he hasn't done enough to move my suspicion. There is no instant lynch. My vote means who I suspect right now. On March 08 2013 10:26 MeatlessTaco wrote: You were very excited to start the game, letting us know T-10 min to game start. Then the game started, but you didn't post at all for awhile. One could make the case you saw your role and didn't want to start digging holes so you gameplanned or asked a mentor before proceeding. If I thought you were more scummy than NW after you returned I would have changed my vote. It remains on NW. When WoS notices that Taco actually hasn't made a case against me, WoS asks Taco about his scumread. Taco responses with a completely null and meaningless read on Raven. In response to WoS's questions about scumreads, Taco says he wants to go after Raven, but why? Eventually he just completely drops the subject, then why even bring out the subject in the first place. This is directionless and meaningless action. At this point, I believe Taco realizes the lynch NW bandwagon is going down and needs a new target and when Chew presents a scummy vote on me, and after Rainbow votes on Chew, Taco sheeps onto the Chew vote. Lastly, his contributions on D2. Minimal, a crap summary of Frogron, Chew, Krafla and Mluneth. spoilered because it's useless and long + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 09:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: If OE is scum, he deserves to live a couple more days. First, what does this mean, if he is scum then he should live? No, if he is scum then he should hang! This is clearly not town thinking. On March 10 2013 10:24 MeatlessTaco wrote: I reread the whole thing up to end of day 1. Here are my reads. I'll discuss exactly why I think someone not listed is town if they are under suspicion or anyone particularly cares. I had 6 canidates, as I went through it I turned Frogron green. Frogron: pg 17&19: Wants suspicion off of lurkers. Suspecting NW but doesn't vote yet ( would have put 7 on NW at that point ), ends up voting for bduddy. Unless it's a NW, AD, Frog team, I don't see the logic here for scum. He tried to start a Taco bandwagon ( off of AD ) on page 27 and argues that lynching AD won't give information, which is suspect, but on page 28 won't jump on either MT or AD wagon and votes Chew. So, if Chew, me and AD are all scum that would make sense. Otherwise we shouldn't kill him anytime soon. ChewOnStu or lurker Here is his activity so far: pg 17: lynch all lurkers can be scummy, it's too early to think about that pg 18: pressuring lurkers is ok, but try not to mislynch pg 19: votes for the NW bandwagon Geript is useless. lynch at some point, maybe not today Krafla I'm posting this before I read the resolution of the claim and stuff, this is just off my notes: pg 15: thinks discussion might be cover for scum votes? pg 16: picks arctic's name out of a hat, which doesn't seem smart as scum pg 19,20,23: Soft defends Arctic, is cautious about voting NW yet, votes bduddy over AD (AD hadn't posted yet), fos's me a couple times and then picks to vote for NW where it stays A decent candidate for today, the claim thing will obviously have to come into consideration. The big thing is did he pick Arctic's name out of a hat as cover? His later posts seem him to be distancing himself from AD. Mluneth He wants a lurker lynch and picks quickly, he ends up voting for NW, but took no effort to get out of AD vote (pg 22) OE and WoS brought this up earlier, but I read it differently when I went through it. Suspicious though is that he was active later, and still leaves his vote on NW. Rainbows pg 18: says lurker discussion is pointless, calls MLuneth scum, calls omni list pointless, tries to shutdown discussion, defends Arctic pg 22: votes chew and then I sheep him pg 24: good read on OE post, but then suggests Chew and Frogron ( not AD ) Not much contribution except for starting the call-out on Chew Matriarch asks some noob questions and fingers me, so null read there questions my post level when she has posted like twice, and then on pg 22 defends OE in NW vote, not helpful either way Completely useless point, what do we learn from it. Completely nothing. There is no need to confirm Frogron, we need to scumhunt first. The post on Chew is COMPLETELY useless, he was replaced anyways. On Krafla, he argues he offers a candidate for the lynch today, but there's no meat on the analysis. And on Mluneth and Rainbows and Matriarch, there is nothing. A huge useless, contentless post. How can this be pro-town? WoS replies to Taco and calls out the list as crap. Taco really meekly replies: On March 10 2013 10:42 MeatlessTaco wrote: Harsh. Sorry to waste your time. Nutter butter. For all his initial aggressiveness on others to make a stand by chastising them and issuing ultimatiums and his professed claim to try to promote discussion, Taco ultimately does contradictory actions and provides us with a big fat nothing and never takes his own advice to take a stand. These are extremely scummy actions in my eyes and I'd like to lynch Taco. ##Vote: MeatlessTaco On March 09 2013 11:01 MeatlessTaco wrote: Yeah, we'll have to look at the exact timing of things, but I remember still being slightly worried NW was going to take a hit even after I moved off of him. If I had bussed Arctic I think I would have try to post something to make it seem like it was something I could take credit for. If I had got to choose at the time it would have been Krafla, ChewonStu, Daishi and then Raven. After WoS said my defense looked scummy I tried to STFU and not get myself hung. That is hilarious. At least now if I get mislynched I can blame in on bad luck and not on poor play. as a famous person | ||
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I'm still bitter about the lurkers who just left their vote on me: I'm looking at you Matriach, and Kafla and especially you MLuneth, considering you were there when I was about to be lynched and you were considering to switch but never did. Oh I will satisfied if you can explain yourself why you did so. Perhaps you know something that we don't know or have a great case against me. I look forward to reading it. | ||
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first that would seriously suck. I really do think Taco is scum though... l don't know honestly, whether to go after lurkers or actives. The lurkers are seriously hurting this game, at this pt, I think it's mostly MLunech, Matriarch and Krafla, though, Krafla claimed blue. So we could go after most likely MLunech and Matriarch, especially MLunech. N2 will be important for Krafla. As for actives, we can re-examine the geript vs omni thing and what to make out of it. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: If OE is scum, he deserves to live a couple more days. This quote still really bothers me. Strange defense of OE. May be important when we get a mislynch or good lynch. | ||
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On March 07 2013 14:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: Nobody's only post is sheeping the experienced guy adding no new content of his own? Now you can lurk and say "I would have contributed if the game were more exciting?" That seems pretty anti-town to me. ##Vote: nobodywonder Now it's more exciting. woo ~ come on Taco, give me excitement. as for Matriarch, I forgot that Matriarch is a she. oops lol, well well Rainbow that's kinda sexist. I would like an argument against Matriarch from you against her. Along sexist comments, I hear women are good at arguing. Herpaderp | ||
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Well good to hear from you too, Krafla. Gl with checks I guess... I don't know what to say about mafia intentions to block you and stuff. I may comment on that later after rereading this "case" from MLuneth. | ||
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On March 09 2013 01:06 Rainbows wrote: A useless question. Policy is pointless, and the fact that we (you) are still talking about it is also pointless. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 13:56 Rainbows wrote: Hey guys, sorry I've pretty much been a lurking piece of shit so far since mid day 1. Sorry, things to do, people to see, roomates to argue with. I'm looking at the red lynch atm... MLuneth is looking like a prime candidate for todays lynch imo. Opening Post Completely buddies Omni, and acts all "pro town" by not wanting to lynch Krafla (which, was obviously a troll vote). MLuneth joke votes me, but someone calls him out on it, and get's really paranoid. Why would town need to verify their obvious joke post was a joke? Nervous scum. A weak distancing attempt Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. This scummy vote On March 08 2013 16:29 MLuneth wrote: ##Vote: nobodywonder This vote is basically the result suspiciously targeting lurkers but more importantly the lack of an acceptable coherent defence. Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker? Blatantly sheeps the NW vote, and keeps it there the entire game. And for what reason? Suspiciously targeting lurkers... OH WAIT, hypocrisy! Wasn't that exactly what MLuneth was doing? In addition, ML is picking on someone that hasn't defended themselves explicitly. Scum want to hit the easiest target, and someone who provided an "acceptable coherent defence" is just that. Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. Lynch this guy. ^ There's that "no defence" statement again. ML hasn't attempted (even badly) to scumhunt at all to find a better candidate than NW. @MLuneth Respond to this. Do things. Stop playing the noob card all game and perform. | ||
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I have wanted to lynch this mofo for the longest time too and I need the evidence to nail him. | ||
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 On March 12 2013 10:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I can't say I'm 100% surprised, but either way he wasn't of much use to us. Lurked way too much, spent the time he was here just defending himself D1 and doing absolutely nothing D2. I think it's probably more interesting now to consider what the flip itself means. Who exactly has been pushing Taco for two days and KNEW he was town...? We might find our scum there. (Would also like to see a Matriarch flip because she should be modkilled for not voting.) Good point. That'll help D3 | ||
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Geript, honestly make a case if you're tunneling so hard. MLuneth, so who are you voting? You're really buddying up with OE and you seemed very convinced that OE is town and that Geript is very likely maf On March 14 2013 10:17 MLuneth wrote: Essentially, if OE is town Geript is very likely maf come on man, hook us up with some context with some quotes and analysis, MLuneth. Sure, Geript has sketchy behavior and annoys us with nutter butters, but come we all know that... you have introduced no new information. NO NONE of your analysis/claims are my liking On March 14 2013 10:16 MLuneth wrote: Well, I made most of my points before Sn0. Following on from what I posted earlier I believe that geript is scum for some VERY odd voting patterns + tunnelling (as well as what I mentioned earlier) OE even before taco flipped town. Greipt has tunnelled OE since he was introduced into the game. Then he votes meatless taco out of nowhere. If he is maf then he knows that taco is not scum but votes him to blend in and to incriminate OE tomorrow (today). This way he pushes mislynch on taco, sets up the most active scum hunter (at the time) for a lynch the next day. Furthermore, he votes OE only to "promote discussion" (after spamming the chat with nutter butter) and only once he realises that there is a decent amount of support for an OE lynch does he commit by placing a case, in which he introduces no new information that could have been gained between his vote and his "case". This is to your liking? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 09:53 geript wrote: I've been thinking a while and I think this is the main reason why I'm suspicious of Omni. At the end of D1, Artctic was clearly the scummiest lurker around IMO by a wide margin. The points that Raven and WoS re: Arctic had made were pretty clear. Yet, throughout OE's filter even from early on he seems to be defending Arctic and deflecting to Taco. From a town perspective, I can understand why OE found Taco as many of us did, but what I cannot understand from a town perspective ESPECIALLY using 'scummiest lurker' as a guide is why OE would try to shift votes toward Taco who was FAR less scummy that Arctic. I can understand why, from a town perspective, he would want to question seemingly random votes. However I cannot understand why from that viewpoint he would seemingly focus more on random votes on Arctic more than other seemingly random votes. The last point that I can't understand from a town perspective is why he would stop pressuring a lurker to stop lurking once they posted a little bit. His premise is that lurkers are bad for town which is a simple and straight forward position to take from either side. Yet now he's completely lurks. If he (as town) really wants to push people to not lurking, then there is no reason to stop pushing them. From a town perspective with this basis he should be trying hard to fight against lurkers and pressuring them constantly. However, I don't see him doing that at all. While his filter is longer, it doesn't look to me that he's doing more than trying to appear active and helpful. This is the basis of scum: he doesn't follow through on his perceived 'town' agenda--This is scum mentality. He also doesn't try to push his 'town' agenda (scummiest lurker) against the obvious target--Arctic--because it goes against his actual agenda of keeping Scum alive. This makes him Scum. Vote OE. | ||
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Overall MLuneth's play is either scummy or extremely bad town. I'm still wondering that he kept his vote on me when it was rather obvious that the thread realized that AD was extremely scummy and voted him. I wouldn't feel too bad for his vote against me if he explained his reasons and showed why I was scummy. Yet he never explained his reasons, and this lack of explanations just doesn't make sense as a townie. As a townie, he could definitely contributed. ##Vote: MLuneth I hope that you MLuneth can do some explaining, otherwise a sad fate awaits you. If you're town, don't be a Taco. Get scumhunting, give us the best scumreads you have ever. | ||
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Now, OE, man you gotta get back in here. No sheep plz. Sno, ya other not voter, you posted lots of stuff on policies on how to best play, well the best way is to scum hunt man. Follow your own advice and get scumhunting and urgent and deliberate. + Show Spoiler + On March 14 2013 02:27 Sn0_Man wrote: Arguing about town reads is pointless. The goal here is to identify and lynch scum. Plus, you should really avoid defending somebody until they have had a chance to defend themselves. There is *no* town reason to deflect pressure from another player, because their response is important information that town can use. Either they clear their own name and everybody is happy, or they incriminate themselves and we nail scum. Win-Win for town. It is NOT your responsibility to try and clear other peoples name (Unless ur scum trying to save a scumbuddy?) On March 14 2013 11:32 Sn0_Man wrote: At this point I really want to hear some kind of defense out of omni before I continue researching him. He hasn't had any real pressure on him previously so this ought to tell us a lot. On the other hand, he scrubbed out of my last mafia game with him due to PC issues so who knows whats up... @frorgon: Well I'm glad you are willing to push a read. I'm not really sold on MLuneth being too much scummier than, say, nobodywonder or krafla who are in very similar positions. I'm currently more interested in lynching geript (although he is bringing legitimate points against OE...). However, If we can't consolidate on scum anytime soon I'll have a good look at MLuneth's filter (since it really isn't that long and you are so dead-set on him). Just try not to get confirmation bias, find other scum as well. I think we all get the point that he is your top scumread. On March 14 2013 13:56 Sn0_Man wrote: While admittedly we have some leeway due to how well day/night 1 went, the "kill them all" mindset is terrible. Scum are then free to pick which one of "all" end up being the lynch target and obviously it won't be scum. Or, more clearly, time is on scum's side. If we aren't deliberate and urgent about hitting SCUM, it doesn't take that many mislynches until we get to situations where we MUST lynch scum. "Lynch both" isn't even acceptable. You *MUST* pick one and provide a good reason why it should be that one today. If you want to vote the other one the next day, that is your prerogative. | ||
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as sno pointed out, this is a shit defense. how do you know that either you or ML are scum? where is your evidence? this just doesn't make sense as town. and who cares if you like/love ML? mafia isnt a lovefest, hold you hand game, it's a violent lynching and kills game. your vote feels like a SHEEP. "oh yeah ML seems scummy, and I seem scummy, so um get him first, and maybe he flips scum and then maybe get me, but probably not cuz you know ML the scum has been defending so I'm prolly not scum" and no prophecies either, just do the frickin' scumhunting. again have good town play + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 06:08 Sn0_Man wrote: Wow, that post was incredibly Martyr-like. Yuckkkkkkkkkk. Thats like, the saddest defense of anything ever. "I was gonna touch on this later, but I'm like almost certainly scum. Please don't lynch me just lynch this other guy first". WTF? | ||
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On March 15 2013 06:18 OmniEulogy wrote: At this point it's a numbers game and I'm dead after Luneth unless I can get people on Geript. So yeah its a post for why we should continue to vote Luneth. I don't really care how you view it lol No, it's not just a numbers game, that's a scummy attitude, because it implies a town win just a series of lucky/fortunate lynches. Nope it's also a game of scumhunting and getting the evidence to destroy scum. If you think Geript, get him then. You thought Taco was, and made a decent case (though it ended up that Taco just had bad town play). Again, town really needs to have good attitude about scumhunting, otherwise this thread is going to be filled with bad town play and then we cant differentiate from that and scummy play. | ||
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what do you see, Krafla? otherwiser, baaaaaa ##Vote: Sn0_man | ||
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gl rainbow, omni, geript, wave and ravenmy reads were off and I wasn't sure if Omni was townie for the longest time. For some reason in the back of my head, I just had a conspiracy theory that Omni might be mafia. and sorry Taco. mafia should have been active, there should have been at least one active mafia pointing out reads and causing chaos. town knew more or less most actives weren't scum, so it was just pressuring lurkers and the scum reacted at times quite badly | ||
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btw hosts are you still going to update the flavor for day 2, night 1? just wondering...anyways this flavor was racist to me, because I play terran. I wanted to kill them zerglings. | ||
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The worst kind of death. Lol you could linked some destiny video. Subterranean anal assault. Retard magnet lll | ||
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