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On February 24 2013 01:48 ObviousOne wrote: ##Not enough minerals. Mine more minerals. <3 Acro If you need me again just shoot a PM if you're in dire straights. need more workers  badly  | ||
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On February 28 2013 17:28 MLuneth wrote: /in (nubbie to the rescue) Should be fun, never played this style of Mafia before <3 hopefully more people follow your example! | ||
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On March 02 2013 02:46 marvellosity wrote: I'll expound on your ass and suddenly you are my favourite person on TL. Didn't take much I guess.... lol and I'm tired. <3 | ||
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On March 03 2013 07:37 Aquanim wrote: I'm going to have to /out, sorry boo still need 4 people. sign up! | ||
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On March 03 2013 11:16 MilkSuckler wrote: He he for coaching there is scum extraordinaire pr0me and host extraordinaire Mr.FCC who loves that expounding action Don't forget to ask dem coaches lots of questions. especially about your high school homework. Prom loves to get lots of questions that have nothing to do with the game, from both Scum and Town. | ||
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On March 03 2013 19:57 ChewOnStu wrote: /In just learned something new. When you create your smurf your posts per day/week start off at your main accounts current Average Posts Per Day 44.63 Average Posts Per Week 312.41 for ChewOnStu every time I click on his profile the numbers decrease to meet the fact that he only has 1 post. Never knew that happened... | ||
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On March 03 2013 21:59 ChewOnStu wrote: Uhmm...whats a smurf? little blue things created in the 50's. edit: F U CAPPEDDDDDDDDD God Damnit! Both for leaving the game and beating me to the answer | ||
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On March 04 2013 03:35 Promethelax wrote: No you fools, that is just what happens with a new account. One post in one hour is 24 posts per day. Just a new account created to play mafia, not a smurf. but it was 44 posts a day. I just want to know why the numbers were so wrong! lol Your explanation makes a bit of sense though... it shouldn't work that way at all but I guess I'll just accept it and move on Two more people! Hopefully we can start soon x.x | ||
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Mocsta stop co-hosting and play | ||
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On March 05 2013 20:51 Acrofales wrote: Mocsta isn't a newbie. Or at least not officially  key word is officially. We both know the truth! ^^ <3 Mocsta lol | ||
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On March 05 2013 21:55 MilkSuckler wrote: Sorry for the smurf fail.. Its mocsta no way!? yeah I noticed in some of the other games and I think you mentioned it somewhere in here... but yeah I just want this game to start T.T | ||
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On March 06 2013 03:05 Acrofales wrote: Major spoiler: the only matriarch in brood war (Raszagal) was protoss. How does this work?! Head exploding! controlled by zerg, obviously town lol | ||
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On March 06 2013 04:34 Frorgon wrote: Why hello there. /in oh hell yes. | ||
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On March 06 2013 09:02 Krafla wrote: Ok, I'm hanging up my lovely blue hat. I hope you're all happy! hahaha I'm not even sure what policy we could call this WoS needs to come up with a name for it. | ||
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On March 06 2013 12:39 MeatlessTaco wrote: Repeating my question from before, it wasn't meant for the mods, but for helpful vets: What is a balanced number of mafia for a 13 player vanilla game? generally 3 mafia, potential SK give or take 1 mafioso | ||
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I DIDN'T SEE YOU ANSWERING IN THE 30 SECONDS HE POSTED DID I MOCSTA?! | ||
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and the sole reason is because you don't know the answers to these questions. Cmon man! lol | ||
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it's a good time for me lol | ||
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I've gotta go out before stores close... I might just go now and be back by the time it starts | ||
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Alright guys FINALLY STARTED!I'm gonna cut to this quick as I have to go out for a little bit but I'll be back shortly. I think policy lynches should be used as a last case scenario, if we are stuck at the end of D1, lynch the scummiest lurker. As TOWN the worst thing you guys can do is lurk it makes it so difficult to get reads on you and makes it much easier for scum to thrive and avoid putting themselves out there so please please please make those posts and participate On the topic of participation, I mentioned this in a previous game and I believe it worked quite well although unfortunately I was not able to stay to the end due to computer issues I think having people explain the reasoning behind their votes is fantastic but I don't think it goes far enough, I believe we should go through each others cases and not only agree/disagree but see if we can prove the case right or wrong ourselves while waiting for the defense of the person being accused. (it is important to wait for them to defend themselves first, otherwise we give them an escape with no effort on their part) I know this is done to some degree each time a case is made but in both of my last games we've made the mistake of lynching townies due to their arguments not standing up to one persons case. I'm hoping we can avoid that if everybody weighs in with not only their own case but their thoughts on the other cases as well. this seems obvious but is actually fairly rare in the newbie games I played in. Often only one person would address a case and we wouldn't get to hear too much about what other people thought about it. That's about it from me, I'll be back shortly. If anybody has any issues with this let me know and I'm more than willing to discuss why it seems good/bad or anything else! Lets catch us some scum | ||
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I missed out on the only period of time where I could have messed around that being said I like the activity from some of you. ^_^ Weak read on Krafla already but so little has happened that it can change quickly.Why even bother mentioning it then? I'm going to try playing this game out as honest as possible and try to let you guys know my thought process as often as possible. As the game progresses and hopefully as my actions will prove me to be town to the rest of you, you will be able to trust that what I say does indeed come from the mouth of a townie. I don't expect anybody to believe me at this stage in the game but as I said hopefully as we progress my actions will make it more and more clear to you all. @Krafla our of curiosity (and as I believe you are actually here) how do you feel about having a no-lynch if we run into a dead-end at the end of D1? | ||
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On March 07 2013 23:12 Matriarch wrote: we ARE supposed to be helping our neighbors. This is a newbie game and we are still learning AND how are we supposed to find scum without help from each other? I agree, Although I don't think it would be wise to take everything at face value right away from anybody, it is pretty simple to get some type of idea in your head of who is honestly trying to push a town agenda and hunt scum vs lurkers and people who don't contribute in a meaningful way. Then choose to believe / work together with the people who are highest on your town side. WoS does have a point though, this early it is very important to be skeptical of everybody so that scum doesn't infiltrate town and possibly even take over it. | ||
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On March 07 2013 23:31 Frorgon wrote: I want to see if anyone lurks really bad because that could affect my decision. Kinda interesting as in all of my newbie games so far, the biggest lurkers have at least 1 or 2 scum in them. I think it's a solid place to start looking but also very difficult if too many people do it. Which is why my 1st post basically begged people to contribute if they are town. Not doing so will most likely lead to a townie getting lynched at one point | ||
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On March 07 2013 23:34 Krafla wrote: My gut says a no-lynch would be a bad thing because we wouldn't learn anything from it, although, this is my first game so I don't have any experience to back up that feeling with! Is a no-lynch generally considered better than a miss-lynch on the first day? I still don't like the fact that we've got a few people that we haven't heard from and we're 14 hours or so into the game, I can't help but feel that we're giving them an easy ride if they are scum lurking. I'm still happy to give them the benefit of the doubt but this time tomorrow if we still haven't heard anything from anyone, then I think we seriously need to start asking why! Generally no, I believe a no-lynch is a terrible idea D1. It basically gives scum a free night kill and town gain no information. As far as Artic goes it is possible he's still sleeping / at school as the game started a little bit later than I had expected and it is still early in the morning where he is. I'll give him till this afternoon until I start to worry about him. | ||
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Even if we miss-lynch D1, the information we should be able to gain from it if we don't horribly botch it should make up for losing a townie. As I understand it, it's very rare in newbie games to lynch scum D1. | ||
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On March 07 2013 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote: I agree, Although I don't think it would be wise to take everything at face value right away from anybody, it is pretty simple to get some type of idea in your head of who is honestly trying to push a town agenda and hunt scum vs lurkers and people who don't contribute in a meaningful way. Then choose to believe / work together with the people who are highest on your town side. WoS does have a point though, this early it is very important to be skeptical of everybody so that scum doesn't infiltrate town and possibly even take over it. EBWOP: Said WoS, meant Taco. my bad | ||
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@MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla[spoiler]karla[/spoiler] Although you believe we may be giving some lurkers too easy of a time how do you feel about Luneth's vote on Arctic vs the other lurkers? Do you think it was too early to cast a serious vote on someone who has not been present or was it a justified action in your eyes? @ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1.@WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it? @Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process? @Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody? @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious? @NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker? @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. @Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors? If I missed anybody sorry =/ | ||
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On March 08 2013 02:11 Rainbows wrote: Oh my God this post is scummy. Half the people aren't going to respond to the questions, and, more likely, you won't get a read on them from their answer. These questions will acheive nothing. Pressuring the entire thread to talk is pointless. - Claims scummy - Doesn't answer question - Also I'm not pressuring at least 8-9 people with those questions - Means he didn't read the questions. Good to you know you have so little to say about so much Rainbows | ||
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On March 08 2013 02:20 Rainbows wrote: If you're not pressuring people, then what is the purpose of asking questions? To fling shit around? Get a clusterfuck of posts going up in here? Most of your questions will produce non-alignment indicative answers, and more likely nobody will expand on them at all. If you're town seriously focus on one subject at a time, other than taking everything that's been said, and asking people to "expand" on it. If you can't figure it out OR read it's not my problem. Your soft town claim, and the fact that you can't realize that the majority of the questions focus on Luneth is amazing. Also your ability to only focus on one thing at a time only is interesting, I assume you tunnel people blindly with that state of mind as well. So you think Luneth is scummy for no reason? ok. On March 08 2013 01:55 Rainbows wrote: MLuneth is scum. Doesn't want to vote Nobodywonder but agrees his actions are scummy. Discuss. "While I believe that nobodywonder's actions have been suspicious and that his case is less than stellar, I feel that it is foolish to lynch someone who has made an addition to the game (albeit at this point small) should not be lynched over a person that has simply lurked for 2 days straight. I feel I need to point out that Frogon, as well as Krafla and Matriarch (to a lesser extent) have all input a similar amount of information as nobodywonder." He compares NW to four other players (raven in his next post) and states that he's done more than two(at that point) others and you wonder why he didn't vote for him, and THAT is what strikes you as making him scum? Practice what you preach and contribute something useful for town instead of blindly being arrogant. | ||
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On March 08 2013 02:41 Rainbows wrote: The fact that you can't see this is a mentality arguement is hilarious. But still, you're cute and I like you. So much vigor, even if it's madness! Also, it's super early game calm yourself I will say that I liked your early posts and I am fairly passive aggressive so I apologize for that and I do find it odd that Luneth placed a vote on Arctic so early, but I disagree that he seems scummy because of his unwillingness to vote on NW | ||
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On March 08 2013 02:52 Rainbows wrote: What I'm saying is -- his vote on Arctic makes no sense, because he'd rather vote a lurker over a suspicious player. Voting a lurker does nothing really. Voting someone suspect makes them talk. I agree with you there, I don't think the vote makes much sense either and I'm trying to decide on if he just attacked an easy player or not, and if Arctic never does contest it it would be very easy for scum to latch onto him early and ride D1 out safely that way. I just re-read the first few pages and he does explain why he didn't vote for NW but considering he does that and then puts a serious vote on Arctic... I can see misguided townie and scum motivation behind it. | ||
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On March 08 2013 04:14 TheRavensName wrote: Cause I dunno what I am doing and its what all the cool kids are doing? And I talk about bussing cause I mea the only mafia I've really played is the SC2 one, its realy really common to bus on it. So I just kinda assumed its the same way here. I'm just dumb I guess? As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit. First thing On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post? To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time. However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party. The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then. I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly. This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations. | ||
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On March 08 2013 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote: Good advice in general, OE. I was thinking of getting to it myself but I figured lack of town activity right now means someone else should post. Go easy on him for the victim card imo (you sort of did ); I know I had a lot of issues with that my first game when I was up against players who definitely were more experienced in that regard. But yeah Raven, OE's advice is sound and should all be stuff you consider when posting in the future. If you're town, the game is all about scumhunting as your primary goal. If you do that well you have no reason to be suspected.Just to mention Rainbows, I liked his shutting down of the bad game theory stuff early. OE since I'm responding to you already, I'm going to come at you a little. Have you been taking coaching from mocsta or something? Your filter is absolutely massive already and, while your early reads/comments are accurate, we REALLY don't need to hear your thought process on absolutely everything. Nor questions to absolutely everyone, it shits up the thread. If you want to focus someone or a few people, go ahead but when you spread yourself to thin and expect different things from everyone it becomes very difficult to follow a line of reasoning---something you don't want as a self-proclaimed transparent townie. I actually stole a play straight out of Mocsta's book because I liked the reaction it got in one of my newbie games together with him (I think it was XXXIII) basically same thing happened, he was attacked for asking a bunch of different questions to different people. I agree with you partially about trying to chase after too many things at once, at the same time I don't want us to get too focused on NW and Luneth as it'll give scum an easy chance to sit back for a little bit if we are wrong about them. However I do still want to proceed with it and hear how they defend themselves. @Raven no problem man, if you are indeed town my biggest worry would be if you got afraid to post your thoughts due to being attacked by them. Personally I don't think you should worry too much about Rainbows either. It's hard to get used to people who are so aggressive but try to see a town/scum agenda behind it. Although this doesn't always work I try to avoid WIFOM in the early stages of these newbie games. Would scum draw attention to himself and attack a ton of other people to see how they react to try and get a better read on them? That is the question I asked myself and although in some cases (and with very good scum) the answer can be yes, it is most likely not the case. So if you take that into consideration and realize you are working towards the same goal, it is much easier to work with that person to scum hunt rather than just feel put off by them. mind you if I'm right only time will tell and if I'm wrong well fuck me then lol ALSO my filter is only massive because I had a full page and a bit before the game even started. been waiting for this to start for awhile x.x | ||
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On March 08 2013 07:09 Krafla wrote: I'm going to make an observation here about nobodywonder. A lot of people seem to be calling him one of their two main scum reads at the moment, but looking at his filter he really hasn't said much, yes what he has said sounded pretty scummy but we're only really talking about two posts. I'd like to hear him defend himself. This is what I am waiting for as well, unfortunately even while waiting the others who haven't given us their thoughts on the subject don't seem to be around either. | ||
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On March 08 2013 07:17 Krafla wrote: MeatlessTaco Yes I'm for lynching lurkers, although I'd rather lynch someone that's acting scummy but earlier I didn't think anyone had acted particularly scummy enough to warrant a vote, so I was seeing how things would play out. I still really don't like the fact that we haven't heard a peep from Arctic and I even more don't like that bduddy has excused his inaction, I just hope he makes up on the promise that he's going to participate some more tomorrow. If you really can't participate much because of personal issues send a pm to the host and lets get a replacement in here that we can play the game with. let's assume things stay the way they are and town is left in the dark with these three - Arctic, bduddy, and NW. bduddy has already said he's going to lurk for personal reasons, what ever those may be. Technically if he's scum that would be a personal reason lol NW we're waiting to hear back from about his original comments and Arctic hasn't posted once. I assume Luneth is away because his time zone is so drastically different from the rest of us and we will hear back from him so out of the other three how do we approach this? | ||
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On March 08 2013 09:59 Rainbows wrote: In regards to the Raven-SK thing. As town, we shouldn't even be worried about an SK at this stage. I never once even thought about bringing the subject up. The subtle mentioning of an SK leaves me super worried -- who would be interested in an SK at this stage? Someone who rolled it. Might be a far cry but I'm forever paranoid (and alone) atm. On March 08 2013 04:37 OmniEulogy wrote: However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party. I'm with you on that one, I'm just hoping we only see 1 death worst case scenario at the end of N1. Or that our Vig (if we have one) Bread crumbs himself really well. That's all I'm gonna say on that matter for now. | ||
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On March 07 2013 22:29 Frorgon wrote: Good morning all. Glad to see things picking up a bit now. As far as the discussion on "lurkers", I don't think it can be considered an applicable label for anyone as of yet, I mean there is still a lot of time left in day 1. But I will definitely be keeping my eye out over the next few hours.I also agree that I'd rather find a logical reason to lynch someone on day 1 instead of just randomly choosing someone. I'm not afraid to call people out but it seems quite scummy to just attack someone without any useful contribution behind it. Also bduddy, you can claim you are lurking for personal reasons, but how are we to know this is true? You were warned before this game started that you should only commit if you had the proper amount of free time. A busy schedule is no excuse, so I do hope you contribute. I believe now it is applicable to call you a lurker. I'm kind of confused as to why you think it is scummy to attack people to see their reactions and how they react under pressure. I've seen players vote on almost everybody in the game by the end of D1 who weren't scum but were fishing for information, I have yet to see scum play so ballsy. You claim to not be afraid to call people out on things but when you tried you were almost afraid to commit and were very back and forth about it. On March 08 2013 06:29 Frorgon wrote: @OmniEulogy I'm wondering why you asked me about what I thought was suspicious behavior. I clearly explained that in my initial post about the matter. It made me a bit uneasy about whether or not you were trying to get redundant information posted to cloud up the thread. As Wave said, the amount of posts you had started to raise a red flag for me. And don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily the amount of posts you had that was bad, it was that you seemed to be drowning the thread for a while with just your thoughts and limited discussion from others. That being said, I feel better about your contributions in the past few pages since other people have shown up. "The amount you talk to yourself while nobody is here raises a red flag, everything you've said while more than 1 person has been here has been awesome!" what? This to me seems like scum trying to pretend to contribute while at the same time not trying to make anybody upset. It wouldn't have made me look at it twice if you had been active and contributing but as we all know you've made 4 posts in nearly 48 hours. This is not acceptable for town. This is the behavior of scum. On March 08 2013 19:15 Frorgon wrote: Alright I'm back. In my opinion, bduddy is not making a good case for himself. That's 3 different excuses for being inactive right now due to his "busy life". I really don't care about how busy your life is. Nobodywonder still looking real scummy. Unvotes bduddy after the terrible explanation provided. I'm thinking they could both be scum covering for each other. NW makes a case early on against bduddy without actually being serious about it so there are no reprocussions. Bduddy has his suspicion on people who in my opinion don't same overly scummy as of yet, and is defending NW. Right now I'm narrowing down my vote between NW and bduddy and I plan to make an actual vote shortly after they respond, if they respond. There should still be a decent amount of time on the clock for D1 after my vote. So many things wrong with your last post. - Attacks the weakest player in the game NW, WITHOUT placing a vote. Just a casual "wow you are so scummy" - Makes an association case between NW and Bduddy. - Claims he will make his case and we will have plenty of time to analyze and go over it. Nice case he's made. ##Vote: Frogron We need to step it up town. The only two players I can identify as even having a chance at being town are Krafla and Rainbows. If you are town and have been content to just stay quiet and not contribute, wake the fuck up. Nobody is getting replaced tonight, stop talking about it. Everybody has posted D1 the only way somebody is getting replaced is if they don't vote. The following players are also on my list of potential scum Arctic Daishi - Playing the noob card after lurking for 36~ hours, NOT a smart move. I want to see some serious contribution from you starting D2 and if I don't I will be pushing for your lynch. Hell if Frogron can save his ass before the end of D1 from me I'll go after you in the next 7 hours. Bduddy - Lurking, scummy, if Frogron hadn't contributed less I'd be happy to see him gone today. BUT he does claim he's been busy so for D1 he gets some slack. Could just be an uninterested townie. Nothing to really disprove that so far. ChewOnStu - almost as bad as Frogron, really bad sheep vote. scummy. NobodyWonder I was going to vote on for most of today but realized if he is lynched and flips town we gain nothing, I'm not against seeing him lynched as I agree he's scummy as hell but I don't want to put all of our eggs in one basket. And then there is also Matriarch who is lurking as well... the largest problem I can see here, IS THAT THERE IS NO WAY ALL OF YOU ARE SCUM. So TOWNIES again I ask Wake The Fuck Up. I am seriously getting annoyed by the lack of activity out of you. You will cost us this game if you don't snap out of it before we end up lynching you. | ||
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We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with On March 07 2013 14:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: Nobody's only post is sheeping the experienced guy adding no new content of his own? Now you can lurk and say "I would have contributed if the game were more exciting?" That seems pretty anti-town to me. ##Vote: nobodywonder Now it's more exciting. However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote: Matriarch / Krafla: If I held a On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote: Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. On March 08 2013 10:35 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why are you bandwagoning on NW while your only contribution is couple of trite posts about your lurker policy? On March 08 2013 14:06 MeatlessTaco wrote: You are right. His behavior is unacceptable so far. You got anything to add Chew? ##Vote: ChewOnStu His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there. | ||
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I also think NW's case was a good first step for him. He followed through on what we've been asking him for albeit it was that or he gets lynched. @NobodyWonder What do you make of the other cases that have been brought forward? Who do you believe to be your top scum reads other than Chew? | ||
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On March 09 2013 05:44 Frorgon wrote: @OmniEulogy You're willing to give bduddy more slack than me because he provided some reasoning for lack of posts. I can do the same, and you can take it or leave it. Obviously I was the one who said that making excuses for lurking shouldn't help someone's cause, but you seem not to mind it. So I'll be completely honest, I've had a pretty bad stomach bug for the past 24 hours and have spent most of that time in bed. The whole time I was worried that people might start suspecting me for lurking so I tried to make a post when I could, but basically I slept all night, tried to go to work, had to come home because I had a fever, and slept until about an hour ago. But again if you want to start coming after people you consider to be lurkers, at least go after the ones who are contributing the least. This is fair enough, but when you say contributing the least, you are on the bottom of that list. Otherwise you wouldn't have been the subject of my case. I will say that Chew looks just as bad though now that you've at least posted. | ||
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On March 09 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote: @Omni your cases so far have been solid, can you expand on your thoughts on MeatlessTaco? I agree he has been very aggressive in his posting though the only real scummy thing I've seen from him is the sheep vote onto Chew. Also what are your thoughts regarding the rest of the lurkers today? There are quite a few of them (Matriarch, Daishi, Luneth probably the worst offenders) and it's going to be very difficult to determine what to do with them once the day is over. Hmm not sure what else to say about Taco... well actually I'll go the other way, I think I've covered pretty much everything he's done that seems to go against town, but he was right when he said you have to suspect everybody in one of his first posts. On March 08 2013 08:46 MeatlessTaco wrote: I wanted to pounce on Raven, his initial exuberance 10 min before game starts and then lurks for a long time like he's getting help from his scum mentor. Since then, he hasn't done enough to move my suspicion. There is no instant lynch. My vote means who I suspect right now. I felt that this was a good post, generally people who have decent activity before a game starts and then disappear as soon as it starts deserve to be looked at more closely. At the same time going back to odd actions from him we also have things like this On March 08 2013 08:55 MeatlessTaco wrote: Everything starts somewhere. If my analysis was poor, argue that. Don't argue that I made an argument that caught on so that is bad. It's a good thing if an argument gets some traction. Let's hear Krafla's and Matriarch's reasoning behind suspecting me. I understand NobodyWonder hasn't said a lot, neither have I or you. We do what we can with very limited information. Make a case, but don't point fingers at me without a case better than "he made an argument that someone else agreed with". He didn't actually make a case... did he forget? It was a joke vote that stuck and other people attacked NW. There was no case from Taco. On March 08 2013 08:58 MeatlessTaco wrote: Isn't that kind of a high bar for day 1? Isn't that the exact job town is trying to do? On March 08 2013 14:56 MeatlessTaco wrote: No vote: OmniEulogy, Krafla, TheRavensName, Arctic Daishi, bduddy, Matriarch, Frorgon, WaveofShadows You all need to make a stand. Are you going to let marines kills our broodlings one by one? Vote and make a case. Again from somebody who hasn't actually made a single case all game this seems really REALLY bad... looking through his filter and doing this again... I'm actually going to move Taco to my scum list. ##Unvote ##Vote: MeatlessTaco I believe this case is Much stronger than my case on Frorgon and am changing my vote for that reason. What does everybody else make of this case on Taco? In fact... I am going to push for Taco's Lynch, I expect anybody who wants to hit scum to jump on this train, The Wagon of Justice has arrived. + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 04:49 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him. We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there. ^ My original look through his filter. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Terrible. This was early on in the thread before Frorgon was even under investigation. You've just overtaken everyone as the scummiest person in this thread. No opinions, sheep vote, attempting to prove yourself useful only when under pressure. Fuck this, after re-reading Omni's 'amazing' case I see some holes in it that I'm going to expose eventually. First I'm going to see if Frorgon can dig himself out of this little hole before I do it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi It's actually interesting because I believe my case on Frorgon isn't very strong due to his low post count I didn't have much to work with however it DOES look scummy due to how lurky he is. I mean shit that's the entire problem town is facing right now, Half of us are lurking and letting scum blend in But you asking me to look at Taco more closely really made me find some interesting points. I didn't even go into it to try and prove him to be scum, let me know what you think of it I believe we've still got 4 hours till lynch. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh....ignore that emoticon? EBWOP: (Read: remove) Hahahahaha I needed that though A good laugh while frantically trying to sort this shit out is good for me I think some things are clear as mud so if you need any more explanation just lemme know.As far as the other lurkers go I'd love to get them to chime in on the last 2-3~ pages. Matriarch has made some really good points but hasn't said a lot in general about the game or the upcoming lynch so it's hard to get a read on her. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:31 nobodywonder wrote: I'm honestly really confused OE. Can you clarify whether or not Frogron still one of your scum reads? He is still a scum read, just not my top one. I'm not going to vote for a lesser scum read when somebody else has painted themselves RED in a much brighter color if that makes any more sense lol | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:33 nobodywonder wrote: oops OE i misread your post as + Show Spoiler + I didn't even go into it to try and prove him to be scum, let me know what you think of it I believe we've still got 4 hours till lynch. i thought you referred to Frogron as he. It was Taco, my bad no problem, I've been known to be terrible at explaining myself and I'm sure I've posted some awkward things such as that in this game as well Just let me know if I screw up anything else so badly that it stops making sense to you. lol | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Well here's a problem I see. I don't want NW lynched today but since all of the lurkers have piled on top of him, he's currently going to die in 3.5 hours. Since they're lurkers we can't necessarily expect them to come back and change their votes. We're going to have to consolidate our votes to ONE other person to make sure that if there are more scum among the active posters than lurkers, they can't come back and hammer the vote in on NW. I'm not sold on Taco yet, and I would like to lynch Daishi as of now, though I might consider Chew. Thoughts, active (hopefully) townies? The only problem I have with an Arctic lynch today is that there is almost nothing that separates him from bduddy, Chew and Frorgon. Where I see Taco as being very clearly the only person who has put themselves in a very compromising situation and just looks like scum trying to pretend to stay active. What is Arctic is just another bad townie? There's nothing to prove that he is really scum vs bad townie. Where with Taco I can very clearly see a scum read. Thats why I've also switched my vote from Frorgon, very much the same situation. When all the lurkers seem scummy a miss-lynch is much more likely vs a semi-active scum read. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:43 TheRavensName wrote: I agree that Daishi is a pretty vibrant target. I was going to favor Chew over him until his more recent attempts to return to reactivity, given hes just jumping on a bandwaggon and not making an explination for himself before vanishing again.... However, I don't want to see NW lynched anymore either, and given that chew is much closer to lynching, I'm tempted to leave my vote on him untill we get a majority set on daishi. I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways.... Side note about Arctic, I do love that he is the last person on the vote for every vote hes ever casted, and peels off as soon as another band wagon seems good enough. Could you look over my case on Taco and see what you think I want to nail this S.O.B over NW or Arctic if we can but I'm going to need the majority of us to consolidate in order to do that. I believe you have it right here "I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways...."But is Arctic really that much of a larger scum read? I'd wager no. They all seem scummy but the lurkers CAN'T all be scum. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote: I agree with your second point, not your first. We're not lynching for information, we're lynching to eliminate scum. If we hit scum D1 then we're that much closer to winning. Raven did make a really good observation, and I optimistically really hope we're just arguing over which scum to lynch but as I said before I really doubt it's going to be that easy. The issue is that if we lynch Arctic and he flips town we've wasted D1. Because the information we get from lynching a town Arctic is absolutely nothing. In that sense NW is right. | ||
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On March 09 2013 06:50 Frorgon wrote: I think it's entirely possible that it's just a bad townie. I am also willing to change my vote, although I agree with Wave's assessment that I am not entirely sold on Meatless yet. But basically right now it seems as if my vote on bduddy is going to be pretty useless, though a vote on nobodywonder seems to be the easy way out. The case against him gets weaker by the moment. Either NW learned how to play scum over the period of the last 4 hours or he's coming out of his shell as a townie. He's accurately explaining himself as well, also his defense of Arctic rather than jumping on an easy target to get people off his back isn't very characteristic of mafia, it doesn't clear Arctic of anything but it makes NW look much better. I'm still going to push for Taco's lynch but if it comes down to needing a vote to save NW vs Arctic I'll consider it, my vote stays on Taco as the scummiest player in the game though. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:00 TheRavensName wrote: If we Lynch Arctic and he comes up Red though, we get a good deal out of it. Especially sense Meatless was pushing for us to forget about him cause he would just be replaced. I'm writing down my answer to your question now WoS but first I wanna nip this, Please don't start trying to make association cases pre-flip, Once I see this shit I can't unsee it and it starts to subconsciously control the way I make my cases and how I vote in this case though it hurts both of them imo and doesn't make either of them look any more town, but pleaseee don't make association cases before the flip.On the plus side I continue to believe that Raven is just newb townie. Everything he has done points in that direction as far as strange questions/acts ect. so in his own way he's proven his innocence (slightly) to me. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote: THERE's the man of the hour. Now the fun can really begin. now that he's posted I'm just going to shorten it to - we could have seen how he interacted with people including some of the lurkers, vs Arctic not talking to anybody and saying my case seemed good. lol Also I don't think we need to worry about lurkers posting about who they think is scummy with A B C ect. because the whole problem we face with lurkers is that they give us no information on anybody ever. The sheep their votes and go back to lurking, so forcing them to vote for somebody doesn't exactly help. They are still lurkers =/ | ||
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I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote: You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched... I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:28 Frorgon wrote: @Omni If we vote scum on D1 it trumps anything else we could do. If Arctic was lynched and did indeed flip as scum we could use that information to pressure others who are behaving similarly. And I think it would be quite plausible to see his votes as town since they have all been bandwagon votes. I don't think scum would vote off one of their own on D1 unless it looks like that person isn't actually going to receive the most votes. For sure I agree with you 100% It's just a question of playing duck duck goose but replace it with lurker lurker scum on Arctic. I'm not disagreeing with anybody who says Arctic looks scummy as hell. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote: Well can you explain to me what we learn if Taco flips town? that I'm an idiot and can't read people. I believe he's scum but I'm willing to consolidate on Arctic to save NW for D1. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:37 TheRavensName wrote: Ha. So the gains either way are subjective at best. fair enough as I wasn't really considering what would happen if Taco flipped town. Arctic is pretty much a blank sheet regardless of his flip, that's how I was comparing them. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:37 MLuneth wrote: When saying that I lurk or don't comment enough realise that most of this discussion is happening at 2-5 in the morning.for me. please catch up quickly. I'd like to know what you think of all this. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:41 bduddy wrote: But when someone comes up mafia, you learn a lot about those defending him and not defending him - especially when's he's essentially a lurker without anything concrete to go on. but nobody is defending him. lol | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:45 nobodywonder wrote: clarify this. now i realize my name is terrible for mafia, lets have it such that people should refer me only as NW or wonder so thread doesnt get confused LOL sorry I didn't even think of your name, I just mean no player in this game is defending Arctic. @WoS me stating facts isn't defending him. I'm just trying to get my top scum read lynched, I've said multiple times I have no problem with Arctic getting lynched if people can't come to an agreement on Taco. | ||
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On March 09 2013 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Luneth, there has been so much evidence as to why you're wrong I'm not even going to link it. Just look at his filter. This refusal to change your vote even after it's been established that only lurkers are going to be staying on NW is looking tres scummy. As for you Taco, I really wish you hadn't said that. Almost every mafia game I've been in where someone tried some sort of funny business or gambit to 'generate content' they turned out to be mafia. What's the point in generating content you yourself have no intention of following up on? All it does is create confusion and further useless content ---> scum MO. The Wagon of Justice is still available. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:04 bduddy wrote: At this point I wouldn't say that scum would necessarily work together to try to lynch a specific person. What they would definitely try to do is try to deflect voting of other scum, because at this point that's a lot more necessarily for them and, if done properly, less suspicious. I stand by what I said earlier that OE especially has been trying to do that with Arctic, and I don't see anything nobodywonder has done that makes him more suspicious. What happens if the vote is a tie? If the vote is a tie the player who reached the highest amount first is lynched, in other words NW gets lynched if there is a tie. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Well it's too late now to worry about Rainbows' scumminess right now we can't afford to spread ourselves out any thinner. I personally hope he shows up to give further insight but if not we're really going to have a good look at him soon too. We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people: MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla. NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi WoS I think we agree with each other on who is scummy it's just unfortunate we couldn't agree on who to lynch first. Let's hope this goes well. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:21 bduddy wrote: EBWOP: Guess you already did, I should check the topic before I submit... hahaha it happens, quite a lot in mafia. NW voting for him was good imo unfortunately I don't think I'm gonna get any of you to move off Arctic unless Taco comes back and basically claims scum so, I still take responsibility for being part of the people who lynch Arctic and hopefully switching my vote now won't hurt any town credibility I had because I feel that we (the current active players) are working together quite well. If this lynch is right hopefully we can get on a roll. | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright so now it's 2 on Taco, 4 on NW, 4 on Daishi. We need 7 on Daishi. Some of these lurkers had better come back because as it stands the only two who are here that COULD switch are NW and Luneth. (Though if Luneth switches I think we'd have hammer.) Honestly we only need NW to switch over. If anybody does any funny shit after that we just lynch them D2. NO townie would fuck with our minority lynch on Arctic after all this unless they intentionally wanted to ruin the game for the rest of us. | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:06 Arctic Daishi wrote: Oh wow, it would seem I have been proposed for lynching already. If you don't mind me asking, what makes me so suspicious? Other than being rather annoying and noobish? lurking, and lack of contribution. Scummiest lurker gets the lynch. | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:12 nobodywonder wrote: Wait what? Who are you questioning? and How does my quote have to do with anything that you just said? I can only assume he was trying to defend himself with it. As it was one of the reasons I was trying to lynch Taco instead of him earlier. | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:24 WaveofShadow wrote: Well there's no arguing with that logic. NW, Luneth since you two have been around, what are your thoughts? though not asked, do we really expect everybody we lynch to say "well you got me" before the lynch? Stay strong guys. lol | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:33 Arctic Daishi wrote: Ah well, it looks like I'm being lynched guys. It was fun playing with you, though I was somewhat confused by some of the rules and what not. I tried to keep up (reading) with the thread as best I could though I wasn't as active as I'd liked to have been. Thanks for the opportunity to play Acrofales, Marvellosity and Mocsta. Thanks for the advice and help, Promethelax. And thanks to everyone for playing with me! Maybe we should do this again sometime, I'm sure I'll be better in the future. Soft Claiming looooooooooooooooooooooool | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:35 bduddy wrote: I'm almost willing to believe him. Almost. AD, whoever your coach actually is, I would start PM'ing him some more, because it's not quite over yet. I'm still voting for you, though. you think this guy used his coach? LOL | ||
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On March 09 2013 09:36 Frorgon wrote: Well you had a half hour left and you just gave up already. Oh well. I will just add that this should not be cause for anyone to change their vote. He could be playing dumb in order to fool us into thinking he's a bad townie and changing our votes. All the NW voters, where the fuck are you? this is what bothers me, although its not indicative of alignment it's still disturbing. | ||
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On March 07 2013 03:19 OmniEulogy wrote: ##Vote: Promethelax Trying to lynch Host / Guardian icon. Clearly Terran scum pretending to be town coach. On March 09 2013 09:33 Arctic Daishi wrote: Ah well, it looks like I'm being lynched guys. It was fun playing with you, though I was somewhat confused by some of the rules and what not. I tried to keep up (reading) with the thread as best I could though I wasn't as active as I'd liked to have been. Thanks for the opportunity to play Acrofales, Marvellosity and Mocsta. Thanks for the advice and help, Promethelax. And thanks to everyone for playing with me! Maybe we should do this again sometime, I'm sure I'll be better in the future. Fucking Called It. ##Vote: Promethelax lol GOOD JOB TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On March 09 2013 10:04 bduddy wrote: And also, we still need to keep an eye on anyone that defended or refused to vote for AD, even if they eventually switched (once it became relatively obvious that he was going down). Matriarch, MLuneth, and Krafla never switched their vote; I'd be willing to bet at least one of them was scum trying to keep AD in it. I still say Taco is mafioso #2 but for the sake of argument Town Taco Mafia had more than enough chances to jump at my invitation to lynch Taco, I feel the case was and still is well made and perfectly acceptable. Only Frorgon and NW joined the wagon attempt on Taco and both switched to Arctic before the lynch. possible bus, but they weren't needed for the lynch and could have claimed my case made more sense than a shot at the dark into our lurker pool. Scum Taco We forced scum into deciding who to lynch, those who started the Arctic lynch are town, I'm town for trying to lynch Taco, Remaining mafioso most likely on the NW Wagon or bussed Arctic because Taco is more valuable (possible mafia power role as Arctic was a regular goon). I'm extremely happy with this lynch either way and this is just quickly how I see us proceeding if we look at Taco as being under suspicion. | ||
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On March 09 2013 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I disagree with a lot of this. I agree that Taco is not out of the woods yet (still waiting on his reads) but in no way does this lynch confirm anybody as town, LEAST of all you. This is all WIFOM because if you're scum then it could just as easily follow that Taco is town and Frorgon is scum alongside you. (Hell, we might have only 2 scum and a 3rd party role) NW could also technically still be scum since I believe there has to be at least 1 scum amongst the NW-voters, which would mean scum are spreading out their votes to not look suspicious; an entirely likely D1 scenario. I'm saying if Taco is scum in that scenario o.O and I never said NW was town in any of that I agree that I think it's possible that 1 scum was on NW, and if Taco is also scum, he bussed Arctic. I'm not sure where you are disagreeing considering you just went over everything I said =/ And I never claimed town from this lynch either. lol I didn't really discuss this lynch just the fact that Taco is still probably scum and he bussed Arctic because the only two choices were himself or arctic. | ||
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On March 08 2013 23:53 Arctic Daishi wrote: Sorry for the late replies everyone, I have been studying like crazy for midterms. Spring break starts today so I'll have a lot more freetime to participate now! ##vote: Krafla On March 09 2013 00:17 Arctic Daishi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: nobodywonder On March 09 2013 06:07 Arctic Daishi wrote: I honestly do not believe that nobodywonder is scummy, he seems to honestly want what's best for the town. Also, he has been very defeatist since being accused and has stated his intention of welcoming his lynching if it helps the town. I hereby: #unvote #Vote: Frorgon The Omni's case against Frorgon is simply too great to ignore. On March 09 2013 09:13 Arctic Daishi wrote: #unvote #Vote: nobodywonder Although its not generally great to give town reads at night, I don't see the issue with discussing these in general. | ||
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On March 09 2013 10:33 TheRavensName wrote: I still am saying it looked to me like you were trying to save him Taco. Scum could have easily jumped on you pretty hard if you were a townie, seeing as how the only reason we managed to get so many people on arctic was the people on taco gave up trying to convince the rest of us when it seemed easier to just lynch Arctic. You could have easily sacced him after trying to excuse him in an attempt to distance yourself. especially after Raven picked up on this On March 08 2013 14:17 MeatlessTaco wrote: EBWOP: Artic Daishi has to be a null read. If you haven't voted yet, vote for someone else. He'll be replaced soon. | ||
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On March 09 2013 10:49 Frorgon wrote: It's just that at the moment there are people who look a lot worse. For example, Luneth coming back in to try to show that he is here, stating that he will be reading through filters to see about a possible vote change, only to disappear again without changing the vote. If anything, Taco's comments tonight have been good. I agree on Luneth, I think he looks very suspicious and hopefully we can get the rest of the lurkers to finally contribute to what happened tonight. However I disagree that Taco's comments have been good tonight. Three of us mentioned that his answers to my case and NW's questions resulted in him admitting he was hypocritical and his methods were scummy. I fail to see how he looks any better after the lynch. We'll have to see what information he brings to the table. | ||
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On March 09 2013 10:51 TheRavensName wrote: I agree with you. No reason to call it tunneling, just prepare an up to date case. yeah, excellent work by the way, way to step up your game in the last quarter I wouldn't have noticed that Luneth just dropped away again so quickly. Hopefully when Geript gets caught up he can also offer some insight from somebody who wasn't involved in any of this. His input should be pretty good | ||
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On March 09 2013 15:24 geript wrote: My name is Geript, but I will allow you to call me sexy. I am fat but loathe fast food. I prefer long walks on the beach on cloudless nights. I hate Kevin J Anderson. His books ruined so many series: Star Wars, X-Files, Dune. That is all. welcome to the game Have fun catching up | ||
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On March 10 2013 05:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Oops that whole thing should've been in spoilers. Oh well. Krafla I hope you see how scummy you look to the rest of us right now; I'm not sure I care if you get targeted N1. Explain your vote process for D1 and any new reads you have please. Truthfully I don't think there is a chance Krafla is scum but I also don't think he'll be a target for the NK. The way Arctic played makes me doubt very highly that anybody he voted for was scum. I just don't think he put that much effort into his voting decisions to vote for one of his scum buddies. I'd say targets for the NK are Raven, WoS, and possibly Geript depending on how much scum is afraid of a fresh perspective. (then again Geript is Chew's replacement and could very well be mafia himself) If we do have RB/JK let's hope they know what they are doing. Between Luneth, Taco, Geript, and bduddy I'd say there has to be mafia, possibly two. I'll go more into detail just before the deadline on the off-chance I'm killed but I don't think it's very likely that I'll be the target | ||
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On March 10 2013 07:11 WaveofShadow wrote: Thanks OE. Just spell out the targets for mafia. I'm going to have post a last will now, aren't I? you should have been in the first place If you don't think mafia was aware of their own targets you so silly. If we have a JK however and they were confused about who to jail, that would be a much larger loss for us. I'd say the target for a JK is fairly obvious but you never know what goes through peoples minds. | ||
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On March 10 2013 07:17 geript wrote: Good target... Possible scum... Ironic... How'd you know that I like to type while taking a dump too? that's not irony. And I saw your last game so I know how much you like to write while taking dumps | ||
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If you can't even admit that you replaced an extremely scummy lurker who was a definite lynch candidate, then we have a problem. However there isn't really any proof that he was scum so it comes down to how you act and what you bring to the table. If mafia is afraid of a new perspective then you might be a lynch candidate. How that is ironic I'm not really sure. @Bduddy the only person who you could say defended Arctic was Luneth. The other lurkers didn't really give their thoughts and Taco safely switched by sheeping. | ||
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On March 10 2013 07:37 MeatlessTaco wrote: Luneth was the first person to vote for AD. Page 16. also the only person who kept his vote on NW without giving a good reason despite the recent events and refused to vote for Arctic. Him voting for a lurker early on and switching off him doesn't scream confidence that he believed Arctic was one of his scum reads. In fact I believe... yep here it is On March 08 2013 14:51 MLuneth wrote: My view on Arctic Daishi at the time of Voting for him + Show Spoiler + To put it simply my Vote was a pressure vote to try and get Arctic to speak up (I'm saying this now because I believe that Arctic Daishi will stay afk). My vote on Diashi was a coin flip between Daishi/BDuddy/ChewOnStu because none had made posts at this point. Literally two comments later from Luneth he's back tracking on his vote from Arctic. and @Raven if you honestly think I protected him, prove it. Pushing for my own scum read while saying "yes Arctic also looks scummy, I'll lynch him if it's necessary to keep NW in the game" isn't defending him. If you read it as anything else you are fooling yourself. | ||
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On March 10 2013 08:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Wait, what? So is the cycle deadline now at 7:30 PM daily instead of 8:00? If so I feel like the OP should reflect that. just for this night cycle I believe. theres a post 1-2 pages back where they talk about it. | ||
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On March 10 2013 08:20 Frorgon wrote: I think it's a scum tactic for Luneth to vote AD early on when the vote could easily be changed later, especially his explanation for it. The explanation of it being just a pressure vote almost seems like a hidden way to discourage others from voting for Arctic. It's basically saying "my vote's not serious, and I have no good reasoning behind it." Then again, at the time of Luneth's vote, AD was still mostly under the radar. Luneth does say near the end of D1 that his vote on Arctic was never meant as an attempt to lynch him as well. He also never directly says that Arctic looks scummy while discussing the subject. On March 09 2013 07:48 MLuneth wrote: My vote in NW stays the same because there has still been no coherent defence to tell me why NW is not scum. I agree that other players are looking very suspicious too but I'm more confident that NW is scum than they are Now that we know Arctic's alignment it looks more like Luneth was trying to save him without making it look too obvious. If we consider how quickly he leaves after nobody budges from Arctic it looks pretty bad. On March 09 2013 08:06 MLuneth wrote: I am rereading cases now. Going to be wishy washy either way, but I'd rather be correct nothing more about Arctic vs NW after this. | ||
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First off, Excellent job so far town. Raven and WoS made an excellent call and took down Arctic which I believe gives us several other town reads. These include Krafla, Frorgon, and NobodyWonder. Why these three? They are the only people Arctic voted for. I don't believe he was playing with the mind set of trying to direct suspicion away from his scum buddies as he didn't even realize he was the one being voted on till we had the majority on him. + Show Spoiler + On March 08 2013 23:53 Arctic Daishi wrote: Sorry for the late replies everyone, I have been studying like crazy for midterms. Spring break starts today so I'll have a lot more freetime to participate now! ##vote: Krafla On March 09 2013 00:17 Arctic Daishi wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: nobodywonder On March 09 2013 06:07 Arctic Daishi wrote: I honestly do not believe that nobodywonder is scummy, he seems to honestly want what's best for the town. Also, he has been very defeatist since being accused and has stated his intention of welcoming his lynching if it helps the town. I hereby: #unvote #Vote: Frorgon The Omni's case against Frorgon is simply too great to ignore. On March 09 2013 09:13 Arctic Daishi wrote: #unvote #Vote: nobodywonder Although its not generally great to give town reads at night, I don't see the issue with discussing these in general. Moving on, I believe that Taco bussed Arctic after he realized there was no way to save him. The actions Taco has made this game serve no purpose for town, even HE has admitted to that. My case against him is here. + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 06:20 OmniEulogy wrote: Hmm not sure what else to say about Taco... well actually I'll go the other way, I think I've covered pretty much everything he's done that seems to go against town, but he was right when he said you have to suspect everybody in one of his first posts. I felt that this was a good post, generally people who have decent activity before a game starts and then disappear as soon as it starts deserve to be looked at more closely. At the same time going back to odd actions from him we also have things like this He didn't actually make a case... did he forget? It was a joke vote that stuck and other people attacked NW. There was no case from Taco. Isn't that the exact job town is trying to do? Again from somebody who hasn't actually made a single case all game this seems really REALLY bad... looking through his filter and doing this again... I'm actually going to move Taco to my scum list. ##Unvote ##Vote: MeatlessTaco I believe this case is Much stronger than my case on Frorgon and am changing my vote for that reason. What does everybody else make of this case on Taco? In fact... I am going to push for Taco's Lynch, I expect anybody who wants to hit scum to jump on this train, The Wagon of Justice has arrived. + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 04:49 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him. We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there. ^ My original look through his filter. Moving on from this I also believe Luneth is looking VERY likely to be our 3rd mafia player. He started out the game rather enthusiastic but has very quickly made some questionable moves. His refusal to vote on Arctic at the end of D1 must be explained by him during D2. Geript is a bit of a wild card at the moment. He has come in to replace Chew and should be under just as much suspicion as we had on Chew. Chew was an extremely scummy lurker who's vote was unexplained. If Geript doesn't prove himself to be town I hope you all will not let him go under the radar. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:15 geript wrote: @OE you have made 2 bad cases, why should we listen to you? my case on Frorgon was using the information available at the time, in other words almost none. Care to explain why you think Taco's case is bad? | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:22 Krafla wrote: I was roleblocked well that's unfortunate anybody else get RB'd? | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:29 Frorgon wrote: I'm surprised Krafla was roleblocked. I don't feel like he was suspicious enough to be roleblocked by town. So either the mafia took a shot in the dark and got lucky, or he's lying. I'm wondering if WoS is the one who RB'd him and it stopped the NK rofl. Otherwise @WoS stop leaving us in the dark! | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:34 Krafla wrote: Aahh, be quick, it's way past my bedtime! it's only what.. 2:30am there? it's unfortunate if you are telling the truth and got RB'd knowing Luneth's alignment on top of no NK would have been really nice. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Damn. I think it's too much WIFOM to know for sure. I was roleblocked as well. Simple case scenario is JK saved me from a night shot and mafia RB chose Krafla at random. There are a LOT of other possible scenarios though, none of which I like very much. that sounds about right as far as the JK goes. You would have been my choice for tonight as well so I'm happy somebody is on the same page. On the other hand, if town role blocker hit WoS (if we even have one), tell us now. It's unlikely but its better to have the bases covered. | ||
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I also agree with Taco somewhat. Krafla probably should have kept quiet, again if town RB hit Krafla I'd like to discuss it being worth while for him to say it. If nobody comes forward Krafla is either lying about everything or is town. @Krafla did you leave any bread crumbs to prove that you are 1 shot cop or that you were targetting Luneth tonight? | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:46 geript wrote: That's a bad idea and super scummy. If we have one, why try to get them to claim for no reason? Proves WoS is scum. Are you that stupid? | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:53 geript wrote: No as I said, it proves nothing. If WoS was JK blocked then he could've been either the attacker or the target. A claim proves nothing but the RB happened. If the JK blocked Krafla the we still no nothing as WoS could be lying OR he could be town RB'd by scum. You are both wrong and scum. your logic is so bad its funny. We aren't talking about if town JK hit WoS. I said town RB. Not town JK. Reading Comprehension is a good skill to have Geript. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:01 geript wrote: There's no way to differentiate between JK and RB. Considering no NK and the WoS RB, JK is the obvious solution just as OO was 3p quite obviously in the last game. Even YOU say you trust WoS, why bother with asking RB to claim when JK is the obvious outcome. Also, congrats JK. you just disproved yourself.................................................................................................. Do you even know what you are talking about anymore? Or ever? | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:06 geript wrote: Either way, you said you didn't like OE, what do I need to do to get you to move your vote on him? real proof. which you won't find because I'm town. I know its hard for you to understand Geript. You should be used to being wrong at this point though. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Stop talking about nutter butter? I need to go eat right now but I'll have a closer look at his filter after. I don't want to discount the fact the Luneth is still really scummy (despite OE gunning for him) and the fuck-tons of lurk we have in this thread. In the meantime I'd like to hear more from Taco, Frorgon and NW. Are you guys around? What do you think of Geript's case on OE? sorry WoS his case? He hasn't made one. He's made a bunch of vague comments, some of which I've already addressed previously and then he's failed to provide any information to back himself up. @Geript hurry up and make your case on me so I can smash it and we can move on with the game please. You are just a distraction at this point. | ||
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Overall no interest in pressuring players Presenting 2 bad cases without follow up" + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 07:48 OmniEulogy wrote: LOL sorry I didn't even think of your name, I just mean no player in this game is defending Arctic. @WoS me stating facts isn't defending him. I'm just trying to get my top scum read lynched, I've said multiple times I have no problem with Arctic getting lynched if people can't come to an agreement on Taco. On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. yeah, I didn't try to get him lynched for like 2 hours while making small progress at all. You got me Geript, nobody else saw what I was doing either. Oh wait... + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 06:58 Frorgon wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: MeatlessTaco I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself. On March 09 2013 08:20 nobodywonder wrote: Right now Taco and Arctic are both looking really bad. I have already said things about Arctic and I feel that he really should respond. I doubt he is simply afk. As for Taco. For generating content, it's not really content if it's rather directionless. So give us some reads, don't just try to act all innocent and excuse yourself from scumhunting when you yourself pointed the finger first. I want your stand, You say that NW has served its purpose. Show me that what purpose that was? ##Vote: MeatlessTaco What a scummy thing for me to do, make a case, push my scum read and have other players (even on the other wagon) agree with it. Where is your case on me I'm waiting. God knows my filter is big enough, You've had over 24 hours. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:36 geript wrote: Wrong, I went to bed at 2 after D&D. I woke up at 5 to cath bloated pregnant ladies all day. I got off at 5. I've been following along throughout in case. Funny, you try to points where you keep trying to get your "top scum" target lynched; funny you didn't seem to be trying to expand and compound your case to convince other people. Looks more like you keep on telling people "Yo bro my case is good vote with me" and that's nothing short of saying "I'm telling you what I'm trying to do instead of doing it" and that's scum tactics 101. @Raven your thoughts? you realize that my case on him used almost every single post he had at that point in time right? You want me to make shit up to push my case harder? Expand the case on what? When I DID expand the case it was because he came back to defend himself. So yeah, thanks for the advice Geript. OH and here is something you seem incapable of doing. showing evidence. On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. After Taco comes back, I continue to push for his lynch and expand on the case against him. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah here's the problem. You keep bringing up that + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. post as your defense to Geript's mini-case (and I do agree I'd like to hear a little more----as he put it---'expansion and consolidating' to convince us). I do not think that post accomplishes what you think it does. Just because you were forced to switch my a better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feed. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. because he was just as scummy as players like Chew. can you tell me who his scum buddies were from his interactions with people before he came back? If you could I'd be amazed. I'd also like to add that On March 09 2013 07:57 Mocsta wrote: Vote Count Krafla (0): MLuneth (0): nobodywonder (4): bduddy (0): Arctic Daishi (3): ChewOnStu (1): TheRavensName (0): Frorgon (2): MeatlessTaco (2): OmniEulogy, Frorgon No vote: nobodywonder nobodywonder is currently set to be lynched. 2 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory. Please remember to bold your votes, and to unvote if you've previously voted for someone else. It's not like I made the case on Taco because Arctic was in danger of being lynched. (that was the earliest vote summary I could find) It was actually brought to light because you (WoS) had asked me to go further into detail about what I thought about Taco because of my brief summary on him earlier. Geript doesn't consider any of this scum hunting? lol I was the only person to make a in-depth case on not only 1 person but 2. The fact that I'm even considered being scum is amusing to me but I'm more than willing to prove his case wrong and move on. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh need a spell/grammar checker or something.+ Show Spoiler + EBWOP: Just because you were forced to switch to my better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feet. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. Is this what you are talking about? On March 09 2013 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Terrible. This was early on in the thread before Frorgon was even under investigation. You've just overtaken everyone as the scummiest person in this thread. No opinions, sheep vote, attempting to prove yourself useful only when under pressure. Fuck this, after re-reading Omni's 'amazing' case I see some holes in it that I'm going to expose eventually. First I'm going to see if Frorgon can dig himself out of this little hole before I do it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi does everybody develop short-term memory loss when describing how they first voted for people? First Taco and now you. Can you tell me how what Arctic did was different from Chew? You just jumped on the right one between the two of them (possible that they are both scum). Your two line case on a scummy lurker was great. Took a lot of effort I'm sure. Almost as much as my case on Frorgon. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:26 bduddy wrote: It didn't take long or complex analysis to realize that Arctic was scum. The main difference was that CoS posted nothing, AD posted scummy posts. CoS definitely needs to remain under suspicion, but it's possible at this point that he's just away from the Internet for some reason. considering he's no longer in the game and has been replaced we lost a pretty good chance to find out. But my point still stands that if Arctic hadn't played as if he was brain dead we most likely wouldn't have ended up lynching him due to the fact that he looked exactly like Chew, and every lurker seems scummy. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:32 WaveofShadow wrote: The thing is, OE, my case against Daishi was strong because it fit basic scum parameters to him exactly. If he hadn't come back I'll admit I wouldn't have had much, but the fact that he came back and acted how he did sealed his fate. I didn't need multiple lines to prove that. I'm not saying I'm the only one who MADE it strong after the fact, TRN really helped with that pointing out the vote patterns. It doesn't necessarily make sense to write up a huge case on someone unless there are a lot of points to bring up, and they're strong points. I'm not saying your case on Frorgon was bad, but you had dig real deep to find some of the stuff on him which is still mostly inconclusive. As to your reasons for voting Taco, I'm not saying they're not genuine here either. But the fact remains that the Daishi case was strengthened by adding increasing points about his own scumminess, not by weakening the case on Taco. You soft defending Daishi constantly throughout the game doesn't look good now, regardless of your intentions and you have to accept that. The fact that you continued to to attempt to prove your own case by continually sticking up for Daishi looks worse. Don't get particularly upset about me grilling you, I'm playing Devil's Advocate to get more info out of you. This is mafia. I agree and I'm happy that you agree with me as well. It strengthens why I didn't join the Arctic band wagon when it started, it goes along with everything I had been saying during D1/N1. Arctic by himself and almost up till the very moment of the lynch deadline was just as scummy as every other lurker. It was when Arctic came back and proceeded to destroy himself that people became more convinced and we got a majority lynch on him. Which he then didn't even notice for another page... I mean cmon... the guy didn't help himself at all lol. Basically I'm being called scum for everything that people were agreeing with during D1. It makes no sense. I have no issue with you challenging me to any of this either. Geript on the other hand, has still failed to voice anything, has replaced a completely scummy lurker (I'd argue 2nd scummiest lurker in the game with that vote on NW) has not said anything important about it and completely derailed us from trying to learn anything about the fact that somebody stopped the NK on you. IF he's going to make a case Where the fuck is it? He's been in this game for nearly 27 hours and other than foaming at the mouth he's explained nothing. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Omni, who are your top scum reads and why? holy shit die in a fire. LOL Taco, find it yourself. Luneth, find it yourself. You. find it yourself. | ||
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see how it doesn't add up? I actually scum hunt. Other than yourself and Raven has anybody actually made a real case? Arctic - nope Taco - nope Rainbow - nope Krafla - nope Matriarch - nope Chew/Geript - nope NobodyWonder - nope (albeit had to defend himself for the majority of D1) bduddy - nope Frorgon - nope. | ||
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On March 10 2013 12:29 Frorgon wrote: Well Omni, it's easy to say that Wave and Raven are the only ones besides yourself who have made a real case, because they made the case against confirmed scum. But I'd argue that others have made cases as well. It's kind of useless to list almost every player in the game in order to somehow claim that you are superior. Who's to say you've made a real case? Just because you've said a lot and quoted people, it doesn't automatically confirm that you've made a real case. I agree that Geript needs to be more useful. He needs to make reads and give opinions. I don't like his just sitting back and casting one liners at people without adding anything else. I disagree that Taco keeps making himself worse. He made a decent attempt at some reads just now. For example he could have easily spun his read on me to claim that I was scum because people are still unsure about me, but he didn't His scum read on Krafla is reasonable because I'm also suspicious that Krafla was lying. So tell me Omni, what about Taco's behavior lately is making him look more scummy? Then go bring me a case on somebody original that doesn't sheep somebody else and we can cross them off. Instead of arguing over semantics you might want to actually scum hunt. Nothing Taco has done has been pro town since my cases were made. Even his list post was something he HAD to do. Null read at best and didn't offer very much considering his current condition. After my cases his defense of himself did not have a pro-town agenda. These are facts of what has happened. not opinions. I hope you don't confuse the two. Geript confirmed liar as well. nice case on me. I really enjoyed the part where you couldn't find enough to justify your vote so you ran away. | ||
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Anyway I looked back and people are for the most case correct as my case on Taco was very unpolished as I was asked to just look closer at him when I found that almost everything he had done was scummy. I will again touch on the topic of his obsession with getting other players to vote while not doing anything himself. After placing his joke vote on NW he goes after several other players to try and force them to place their votes. On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote: Matriarch / Krafla: If I held a On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote: Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. This is all very early on in the game where it isn't realistic to have a very strong scum read on anyone let alone be convinced of people you want to lynch. Ultimately nothing he has done helps town, nor does it push a town agenda. It seems more likely that he is trying to spread confusion by having many people vote on multiple targets making it much easier for mafia to get votes down without much issue. The main point is, at Town, there is no reason to try to get other people to do all of the work for you. This seems like an easy way for scum to pretend to be trying to get conversation started but instead results in no real information being found. Perfect for scum. On March 08 2013 08:58 MeatlessTaco wrote: Isn't that kind of a high bar for day 1? This struck me as odd immediately, the whole point of Town is to scum hunt and try to FIND proof of scum. Why would this be a high bar when it is the only goal we should all be working towards? Granted Taco hasn't attempted scum hunting once at this point. He's been telling people to vote for who ever they feel like and create a mess. [bold]This is NOT Townie Behavior![/bold] The only people who don't want any evidence of scum during D1 are the mafia. This post reeks scum. On March 08 2013 08:59 MeatlessTaco wrote: Are you going to vote for Krafla or keep it on BDuddy? Another useless post questioning NW about his votes. He's been avoiding doing any real work the entire time. Again, not a townie mentality. Ultimately why does it matter if NW changes his vote between the lurkers anyway? This question is absurd and serves no purpose. It wouldn't bring town any relevant information. Then we have something which I believe is extremely scummy, we have the following two posts On March 08 2013 10:35 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why are you bandwagoning on NW while your only contribution is couple of trite posts about your lurker policy? On March 08 2013 14:06 MeatlessTaco wrote: You are right. His behavior is unacceptable so far. You got anything to add Chew? ##Vote: ChewOnStu He sheeps Rainbows vote, and does exactly what he was just chastising Chew for. This post screams scum, AGAIN he does not work on his own, jumps onto another vote and then asks Chew if he has anything to add to his own lynch mob. Chew is hard core lurking all game... this vote is extremely scummy. On March 08 2013 14:14 MeatlessTaco wrote: FYI.. Arctic has 2 posts total on TL.net. He'll probably be replaced. On March 08 2013 14:17 MeatlessTaco wrote: EBWOP: Artic Daishi has to be a null read. If you haven't voted yet, vote for someone else. He'll be replaced soon. Misdirection on Arctic. Telling us all to just forget about him and move on, you shouldn't even think of putting your vote on him. I don't think I have to explain how scummy this is. On March 08 2013 14:56 MeatlessTaco wrote: No vote: OmniEulogy, Krafla, TheRavensName, Arctic Daishi, bduddy, Matriarch, Frorgon, WaveofShadows You all need to make a stand. Are you going to let marines kills our broodlings one by one? Vote and make a case. More attempts at trying to get people to vote, while he himself has not made a single case or tried to scum hunt once so far this game. Pretending to be active while in all reality not accomplishing a single thing. He has made absolutely no effort to find anything that could help town at this point. Extremely scummy. On March 09 2013 07:05 MeatlessTaco wrote: I've been re-reading the thread, only on page 25, trying to hurry up and then double check Frogron's and Chew's filters. I think the NW lynch has served its purpose. My defense quickly: My first read was picking someone was was scummy with very little information. I've been consistent in the opinion that without an instant lynch, vote for people, don't make long-winded threads saying "I don't like A, but B is bad, but maybe C". The thread had very little content. I wanted people to make a stand. Someone already caught on to this and I asked me if I really thought NW was my best scum read. I responded with how I had planned on attacking Raven, but it didn't play out like I wanted. The second I thought someone would be a better lynch than NW I switched my vote. I might switch from Chew to Frogron in a few minutes or I might not, I gotta read the last few pages and then take a look at their filters and my notes. TLDR: a bunch of lurkers saying "A or B or C might be bad, I dunno" isn't helpful. He comes back after lurking for awhile with his defense of what I had found in my first look through his filter. He talks about why he voted for NW shortly and I guess he forgot that his vote on NW was a joke. And he never did make a case for why NW was scummy. A bunch of talk about how lurkers are bad and how LURKERS going in circles isn't helpful... Lurkers are Lurkers because we have no clue WHAT they think... If the lurkers are giving us their opinions... as TOWN isn't that what we want? His mind set doesn't follow a townies at all. MAFIA don't want lurkers to talk. TOWN wants them to be active. This is a MASSIVE scum tell. On March 09 2013 08:27 MeatlessTaco wrote: Right now I only have two or three people with no information on. What if everyone had just complained how boring the thread was for two days? Where would we be right now? This is from the guy who said he doesn't want lurkers to share their thoughts, and wanted us all to just place votes on who ever with little to no reasoning. Has STILL not contributed to scum hunting and has STILL not done anything that I could see as pro-town. A lot of null-reads and extremely scummy posting. On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote: No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi This was already covered by Rainbows but his vote on Arctic just looks like a massive bus to me. He knows Arctic is about to flip scum, He knows he looks terrible, so he thinks he might be able to give himself a little bit of credit by joining the scum lynch on Arctic. Overall he looks incredibly scummy and has done nothing during D1/N1 to try to help town catch scum. This is inexcusable and Mafia Behavior. Cause confusion, and try to slow down the spread of information. ##Vote: MeatlessTaco | ||
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On March 10 2013 14:48 Rainbows wrote: Taco yes, cus that's shady as fuck. ML not so much. Asking a question to host is pretty null, even if it's about a scum guy being replaced. What I find most suspect about that quote is the "considering changing my vote to one of several people' lol I think both Luneth and Taco have shown some pretty large signs that they don't really care who gets lynched. The amount of effort behind where their votes land is between minimal and non-existent. | ||
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On March 10 2013 15:31 WaveofShadow wrote: My vote stays where it is. Rainbows' case is decent enough considering we don't have more to go on until Luneth comes back. I don't like all of these random questions from you though bduddy. Can you explain why we shouldn't be believing Krafla? As far as voting OE, hopefully his continued strong (though very tunnel-y) attempts at scumhunting are enough to convince people that there are scummier candidates out there. There are a couple of very good points in his most recent case and the longer Taco goes without helping himself out the scummier he looks. In my opinion OE's continued effort and Geript's decided lack of such actually makes Geript look kinda scummy. Still awaiting that promised case. I KNOW! I said I didn't want to tunnel but Rainbow made a case on Luneth before I was able to. I was gonna do it tomorrow when I woke up while waiting for Geript to get his ass in gear but I really hate just having a single lynch mob. I've already said Luneth was my #2 scum pick. But for the sake of not sounding like a broken record I was gonna vote him... but... Rainbows made a better case than I would have anyway so back to the Wagon of Justice on Taco lol | ||
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On March 10 2013 15:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Just because Rainbows made a case on somebody doesn't mean you can't look at his case and analyze it yourself for strengths and weaknesses. That's what I've been doing all game in addition to my own. You could also make your own case if you have anything to add. There is no mutual exclusion here. given how I'm being accused of being scum, the last thing I needed to do was vote for Luneth and sheep him. Regardless of anything I could have said about Luneth I'd be accused of sheeping and people would ignore everything I said and focus on the fact that I voted for him right after Rainbow. I lost any window I had at putting my vote on Luneth with that case this early in D2 at this moment. Cause Geript is an idiot and half of town can't form their own opinions. bduddy is asking Rainbow why I'm a bad lynch choice. FORM YOUR OWN OPINION. This town as much as I feel like we've got 4 people who know what they are doing, I feel like we have 5 more that are complete brain dead sheep and it's rather aggravating. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:41 geript wrote: @bduddy You were the one to initially bring up the OE defenses of Artic. You ALSO brought up how OE wasn't really trying to push his Taco case. Do you not like my case vs OE? Your case basically translates to "Your case on a lurker doesn't have much content" and then you use a SINGLE quote (out of context) out of my entire filter. You really tried hard on that case didn't you. OR you couldn't find anything worse than that because I'm town. Your case on me is just one very long winded opinion. You had more than enough time to actually make a case. The first time I read it I honestly thought it was just your thoughts on my case on Frorgon and not a case on me. Did you finally read up to that part of D1 or something? Because I really don't believe you are caught up with this game at all Geript. | ||
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On March 11 2013 10:24 TheRavensName wrote: I've actually been playing the idea in my head of them both making eh cases against each other and just try and do a double bus that they hope builds really good credability. Theres one thing that bugs me about Taco is if he was innocent, the mafia would have had plenty of time to jump on his bussing and make sureh e died instead of arctic or NW sense his bus was running out anyways. correct me if I'm wrong but Taco hasn't come out and claimed I am scum has he? Also, basically the consensus is that I've bussed every single scum suspect in the game at this point, and made a case against one when I could have just lynched Arctic... AND have set up to lynch another of my scum buddies? You guys are conspiracy theorists. It's expected to an extent in mafia but holy shit lol If I were scum this game I woulda placed a vote on NW and then pretend to be AFK while Arctic was being lynched. No reason for me to put myself out there this much as scum when myself AND Taco were not under any kind of pressure at all. But everybody agrees he's scummy and I just randomly decided to bus him half way through D1 for no reason? This is what has been bothering me all game long. You people agree with my reads and continue to assume I'm mafia. | ||
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On March 11 2013 11:20 TheRavensName wrote: I wouldn't call Arctic your read, not by a long shot. If I recall you said he was just as scummy as every other lurker so stop. And I've already said your bellow taco and luneth and were much more grey then red to me. Please relax. what? You realize the whole post wasn't directed solely at you right? lol Also Arctic was one of my scum reads. I wouldn't vote for somebody I didn't think was scum. Get your head out of your ass. | ||
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On March 11 2013 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol really don't understand why you're getting so worked up for no reason right now OE. There's literally nothing for us to do until Taco/Luneth(/Matriarch?) come back and no one is accusing you of anything right now. If nothing happens for another whole bunch of hours we have to make up our minds as to which of the two we want dead. Will everyone (who's been active anyway) be back before lynch tomorrow? I'm not worked up, I just want him to realize that in a single sentence he said "you said arctic was scummy, you never said you had a scum read on him" how contradictory that statement is needs to be pointed out to him otherwise he doesn't learn. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:04 geript wrote: OE why do you feel the need to tell us that Arctic was one of your scum reads? I am becoming convinced that you can't understand most of the things you read. | ||
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On March 11 2013 12:36 geript wrote: Also, if he was one of your "scum reads" which for whatever god forsaken reason you equate to "I called them scummy" then why did you make this post: That doesn't tell me that you think Arctic looks scummy. You even refuse to call him scummy; rather you wouldn't argue against that he looks scummy. You're actively thinking about Arctic as town and trying to say that he's a scum read and that he was one of your scum reads. Congratulations, we'll be lynching you tomorrow. .... you are so dumb it hurts to read this. "I'm not disagreeing with anybody who says Arctic looks scummy as hell." "WoS I think we agree with each other on who is scummy it's just unfortunate we couldn't agree on who to lynch first." "Arctic Daishi - Playing the noob card after lurking for 36~ hours, NOT a smart move. I want to see some serious contribution from you starting D2 and if I don't I will be pushing for your lynch. Hell if Frogron can save his ass before the end of D1 from me I'll go after you in the next 7 hours." yeah I definitely never say Arctic looks scummy at all. Also are you ACTUALLY saying you would create association cases ON DAY ONE?! And you claim NOT wanting to do that is scummy?! holy shit. | ||
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On March 15 2013 04:26 TheRavensName wrote: Well, I'm glad to see OE finally realized his icon didn't actually make his TL account a dark templar... LOL <3 I'm on page 58 atm and I have to stop and say a few things before I continue reading, First NW nice shot I deserved that one after Taco's flip lol I still would have pushed him if I was here for the rest of the day most likely, bad play on my part sorry town.but @Raven On March 13 2013 20:49 TheRavensName wrote: I also can't help but feel he kind of manipulated our jail keeper. I was RBed last night, which I'm willing to take as me being saved over WoS.... and Omni basically told WoS that jailkeeper was an idiot for choosing WoS over me, so last night the Jailkeeper followed that logic and WoS got run over. It wasn't me who said WoS shouldn't be the target for our JK, in fact I believe I said I would have picked WoS as well. Geript said you were the better choice. Just a bit of a mix up but I'd rather people didn't think I told the JK not to keep saving WoS when I never said anything like that @Rainbows I think I missed Luneth's lie, I'm going to re-read a few times but if you are around could you help me out and tell me what you are talking about when you mentioned it before Taco got lynched. | ||
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On March 15 2013 05:51 bduddy wrote: OK, I think I've made it pretty clear that I'm suspicious of OE. Some quick glances show that OE has attacked ML several times (without voting, but I guess that's understandable if he's actually been away), while ML has on a couple of occasions defended OE. It seems highly unlike that OE would be bussing ML; many of his accusing posts came during the Taco bandwagon, where they would be utterly pointless. If ML is actually scum, then, this would seem to be a contribution; why would scum defend another player unless they were scum, but if OE was scum, why would he spend so many posts getting on ML? Examples: (Night 1) Is this a weak bus, leaving room for OE to claim "But I was on ML the whole time!" if he goes down? Maybe. I doubt it, though - why do it so early before MLuneth was under real suspicion? On the other hand, MLuneth's defenses of OE are not hard to find, he even admitted himself that it looked like he was buddying him. So that leaves three possibilities - OE is scum and ML is town, they're both town, or they're both mafia and OE is trying a really weird bus. I'm not willing to believe that they're both town given the combined suspicion I have towards both of them (yes, I know it was Day 1, but OE's defense of AD was just too much for me to ignore), and so both remaining possibilities are that OE is scum. And I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. ##Unvote ##Vote: OmniEulogy I was actually going to touch on this after I had finished cleaning a bit more but I'm happy to get it out of the way right now. IMO either 1 of us are scum or both of are. Luneth's recent attempts to save me (although I love him for it as a person) rub me the wrong way. I believe Luneth is scum and is trying to paint me red for when he flips. Not very hard for him to do if he defends me for the remainder of this day. The only thing I can say to this is lynch Luneth first. He was my #2 scum read behind Taco, Taco is gone and nobody has taken his place. This makes Luneth my #1 and Geript is my #2 scum read. I believe Luneth will flip scum and it will still put me in a very difficult position but with only 1 scum remaining at that point I wouldn't mind taking one for the team given my recent inactivity and all I would ask in this scenario is that people start looking for the last scum with me under the assumption that when I get lynched D4 I will flip green and the game will continue. Which is exactly what will happen. I've been looking for ways to find the last scum after Luneth flips and I believe it will be Geript. I will be pushing for his lynch D4 as Chew was extremely scummy and Geript has done very little to change that. Anyway it's my belief that Luneth is defending me in order to get me lynched D4 by association and try to make people believe that I have been bussing him for quite awhile. ##Vote: Luneth is this the opposite of an OMGUS? I like you Luneth, but I think you are scum | ||
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On March 15 2013 06:08 Sn0_Man wrote: Wow, that post was incredibly Martyr-like. Yuckkkkkkkkkk. Thats like, the saddest defense of anything ever. "I was gonna touch on this later, but I'm like almost certainly scum. Please don't lynch me just lynch this other guy first". WTF? At this point it's a numbers game and I'm dead after Luneth unless I can get people on Geript. So yeah its a post for why we should continue to vote Luneth. I don't really care how you view it lol | ||
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Anyway my scum reads are Luneth and Geript as the only two I have any scum read on. Town read is still Raven and if Luneth is scum I'd say Rainbow. Otherwise I'm null on pretty much everybody else. Numbers game in terms of Votes not Town vs Scum lynch/NK numbers. And if you think I have time to make a case on anybody from the time I got home, quickly read this thread, and all the shit I have to do to clean up the house after having it fumigated you are dreaming. | ||
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On March 15 2013 06:19 geript wrote: Damn this is getting to be a hard choice between Luneth and OE. Neither of them have added any actual points or made a case other than shitflinging; I'm willing to wait on OE if he actually produces a good case on anyone and does more than just a "not me" vote. I don't like either OE's last post or one of Luneth's recent ones: This is messing with my head a little bit. Luneth tries to buddy me before his death - He KNEW I was town... so he was trying to get me lynched D3. What I don't understand then is why he would try and say me being town would mean Geript is scum. Was he hoping I'd continue to tunnel Geript? WIFOM bomb, fuck you Luneth gg though | ||
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On March 16 2013 10:29 geript wrote: Whatever, no one died. It doesn't matter if we lynch rainbow today or tomorrow after that stupid claim. ##vote sn0_man pretty sure it was a joke. ##Vote: Sn0_man | ||
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On March 16 2013 12:33 bduddy wrote: Spoiler: I'm clean. Or he says I'm not, which means he's mafia. Yes, I obviously know that you're not willing to just trust me, because otherwise you wouldn't be waiting for him to come back in the first place. Just saying... Nah I'm perfectly fine with the logic you just brought forth. It's just nice to have it confirmed. no kill means its 99.9% Sn0. the 0.01% being scum didn't NK to try and get us to mislynch. Either way it wouldn't change how this day gets played out so I might as well take you at your word and believe you are town. There is no reason not to | ||
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However this really is just pointless chatter while we wait for the game to end. lol as you said Geript the fact you aren't dead right now but only RB'd is pretty big proof. | ||
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