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Should be fun, never played this style of Mafia before
Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVIII
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(nubbie to the rescue) Should be fun, never played this style of Mafia before | ||
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On March 06 2013 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote: So, we're policy lynching Krafla right? Sounds like a plan | ||
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On March 07 2013 08:01 Krafla wrote: Oh wait, you said Kafia. Yeah sure, lynch that person whoever they are. I heard they suck! Nah, just forgot to capitalise the I still Lynching KrafIa <3 | ||
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 I know it's my first game so I'm still learning but I don't think we should just lynch Krafla without reason, even if it would be fantastically ironic. Your post Omni seems pretty reasonable and a good basis to work on ^_^ | ||
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On March 07 2013 12:27 Rainbows wrote: ##vote: MLuneth random lynching you will be even tastier. -Wants to lynch people who want to reason -Likes Random Lynching And if that isn't enough to make you ##vote: Rainbows -he has an scv as his icon </3 | ||
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well Aus fighting ~' | ||
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First time playing this sort of mafia so I'm not really sure what strategies work in which ways | ||
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If he doesn't, vote away~ | ||
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Would be very surprised if it doesn't change | ||
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On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote: Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. While I believe that nobodywonder's actions have been suspicious and that his case is less than stellar, I feel that it is foolish to lynch someone who has made an addition to the game (albeit at this point small) should not be lynched over a person that has simply lurked for 2 days straight. I feel I need to point out that Frogon, as well as Krafla and Matriarch (to a lesser extent) have all input a similar amount of information as nobodywonder. At this stage with so little info to go on I can only flip a coin on whether to vote Artic Daishi or bduddy | ||
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Coin said ##Vote: Arctic Daishi | ||
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I will be able to answer questions in 2-3 hours. I will also explain my stance on NW/Daishi when I get back. ty for your patience | ||
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Considering changing vote to one of several people When will Arctic Daishi be replaced if he doesn't respond? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + To put it simply my Vote was a pressure vote to try and get Arctic to speak up (I'm saying this now because I believe that Arctic Daishi will stay afk). My vote on Diashi was a coin flip between Daishi/BDuddy/ChewOnStu because none had made posts at this point. My view of NW at the time + Show Spoiler + At this time I was more interested in getting everyone talking. I also felt that while NW's actions were potentially scummy that they could be explained by being a newbie and making a foolish mistake (I mean, it's not the brightest thing to do to introduce yourself by sheeping someone else's attack on a lurker). I was content at that point to simply remain suspicious of NW rather than straight up voting for him. My view on Lynching Lurkers vs Active people that seem scummy at the time + Show Spoiler + At this point in time there were multiple people who hadn't made any posts while others (NW, Matiarch TheRavensName etc had made very few. My goal at this point was to force more posts rather than try and kill NW. My view at the was and still remains is that unless I am confident that there is a high chance of an active person being scum I will Vote for an inactive scummy Lurker This explains my stance/view on these matters at the time of posting this + Show Spoiler + While I believe that nobodywonder's actions have been suspicious and that his case is less than stellar, I feel that it is foolish to lynch someone who has made an addition to the game (albeit at this point small) should not be lynched over a person that has simply lurked for 2 days straight. I feel I need to point out that Frogon, as well as Krafla and Matriarch (to a lesser extent) have all input a similar amount of information as nobodywonder. At this stage with so little info to go on I can only flip a coin on whether to vote Artic Daishi or bduddy I will move on to address current questions (Would I Vote NW now etc) after a half hour break | ||
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My view at the time was and still remains is that unless I am confident that there is a high chance of an active person being scum I will Vote for an inactive scummy Lurker | ||
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This vote is basically the result suspiciously targeting lurkers but more importantly the lack of an acceptable coherent defence. Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker? | ||
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On March 09 2013 02:13 nobodywonder wrote: Krafla, did you really expect me to highlight your failings and call you out? I attacked you, one of my initial defenders. You're either a very perceptive townie or just scum. You should use such perception on other reads too then, and join the scum-hunting fun. Thanks for your explanation for your bandwagonning, that wasn't that much pressure on you anyway though. No need for yourself to declare innonence so early while other possible bandwagoners such as Chew haven't explained themselves. I expect you to expect great things - of both town and scum. MLuneth + Show Spoiler + ##Vote: nobodywonder This vote is basically the result suspiciously targeting lurkers but more importantly the lack of an acceptable coherent defence. Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker? remember MLuneth, you yourself targeted lurkers and that was Arctic Daishi, lurked, and did not switch vote until after basically a consensus was made by the forum to ignore Daishi As for your question to Rainbow, what circumstances would you lynch a lurker. this question isn't even irrelevant. the consensus was already made. this post only strikes to further meaningless talk. besides that seems more like a PM to the town or scum coach. alright, show your confidence in me being scum. you should have switched your vote a lot sooner then As I have already explained, my vote at that was a pressure vote. My goal was to get him talking rather than actually lynch him. As for the switching vote sooner I live in Australia so if the town comes to a consensus on something at 3 in teh morning (which is happening) it'll be a minimum of 5 hours before you hear my reply/reaction | ||
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I agree that other players are looking very suspicious too but I'm more confident that NW is scum than they are | ||
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bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not. Who was this directed at? | ||
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Going to be wishy washy either way, but I'd rather be correct | ||
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On March 09 2013 08:11 WaveofShadow wrote: But one or two vote differences isn't going to cut it. If we don't have a +3 differences in vote between the first and second place then it's possible (though unlikely) for scum/3rd party to move last second and force a mislynch. I'm not saying Taco looks super innocent, btw, but I think Daishi is a better vote. Plus after the flip we may be able to start making associations related to Taco. Be very suspicious of people moving at the last minute then. If maf do switch at last minute then having the votes so close together is well worth it | ||
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On March 10 2013 13:56 Rainbows wrote: Hey guys, sorry I've pretty much been a lurking piece of shit so far since mid day 1. Sorry, things to do, people to see, roomates to argue with. I'm looking at the red lynch atm... MLuneth is looking like a prime candidate for todays lynch imo. Opening Post Completely buddies Omni, and acts all "pro town" by not wanting to lynch Krafla (which, was obviously a troll vote). MLuneth joke votes me, but someone calls him out on it, and get's really paranoid. Why would town need to verify their obvious joke post was a joke? Nervous scum. A weak distancing attempt Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. This scummy vote Blatantly sheeps the NW vote, and keeps it there the entire game. And for what reason? Suspiciously targeting lurkers... OH WAIT, hypocrisy! Wasn't that exactly what MLuneth was doing? In addition, ML is picking on someone that hasn't defended themselves explicitly. Scum want to hit the easiest target, and someone who provided an "acceptable coherent defence" is just that. Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. Lynch this guy. ^ There's that "no defence" statement again. ML hasn't attempted (even badly) to scumhunt at all to find a better candidate than NW. @MLuneth Respond to this. Do things. Stop playing the noob card all game and perform. Responding to said things. Opening Post + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2013 12:24 MLuneth wrote: Flavour was certainly pretty sweet I know it's my first game so I'm still learning but I don't think we should just lynch Krafla without reason, even if it would be fantastically ironic. Your post Omni seems pretty reasonable and a good basis to work on ^_^ Completely buddies Omni, and acts all "pro town" by not wanting to lynch Krafla (which, was obviously a troll vote). I think you're reading into it a bit too much here, sounds like you've already decided that I'm maf -__- MLuneth joke votes me, but someone calls him out on it, and get's really paranoid. + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2013 12:55 MLuneth wrote: Last post was a joke, if that wasn't clear Why would town need to verify their obvious joke post was a joke? Nervous scum. Town can get lynched too. Nervous town doesn't want to get lynched D1 for a misunderstanding on a joke post. A weak distancing attempt + Show Spoiler + Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. On March 07 2013 17:34 MLuneth wrote: EBWOP Forgot to add TheRavensName to above list of people that have done little It really pisses me off that you seem to think that there is no reasoning behind this after I have explained that this was a pressure vote to get Daishi to stop lurking. Either that or you're just straight up lying. This scummy vote On March 08 2013 16:29 MLuneth wrote: ##Vote: nobodywonder This vote is basically the result suspiciously targeting lurkers but more importantly the lack of an acceptable coherent defence. Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker? Blatantly sheeps the NW vote, and keeps it there the entire game. And for what reason? Suspiciously targeting lurkers... OH WAIT, hypocrisy! Wasn't that exactly what MLuneth was doing? In addition, ML is picking on someone that hasn't defended themselves explicitly. Scum want to hit the easiest target, and someone who provided an "acceptable coherent defence" is just that. + Show Spoiler + I would like to point out a previous post before I address this: While I believe that nobodywonder's actions have been suspicious and that his case is less than stellar, I feel that it is foolish to lynch someone who has made an addition to the game (albeit at this point small) should not be lynched over a person that has simply lurked for 2 days straight. I feel I need to point out that Frogon, as well as Krafla and Matriarch (to a lesser extent) have all input a similar amount of information as nobodywonder. At this stage with so little info to go on I can only flip a coin on whether to vote Artic Daishi or bduddy This post at the very least shows that I was considering NW before I "sheeped" on that vote. I did "sheep" on that vote simply because there was a strong case against NW that I had already previously been considering. I have already addressed my "targeting" of lurkers. I want to attack what is (imo) the most likely person to be maf. If I have to sheep to do that, fine I will sheep. I'm not sure if Scum want to hit the easiest target, and someone who provided an "acceptable coherent defence" is just that .is a spelling mistake, but someone who provides a clear coherent defence is not an easy target bro. This.... "Thing" + Show Spoiler + ]Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. Read my posts which clearly show my reasoning before you make idiotic statements like this. Why not NW? I've already asked him questions and was waiting for a response. OMGUS? Next post will show how Rainbows post on me was incredibly scummy is OMGUS but points will be valid | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 13:56 Rainbows wrote: Hey guys, sorry I've pretty much been a lurking piece of shit so far since mid day 1. Sorry, things to do, people to see, roomates to argue with. I'm looking at the red lynch atm... MLuneth is looking like a prime candidate for todays lynch imo. Opening Post Completely buddies Omni, and acts all "pro town" by not wanting to lynch Krafla (which, was obviously a troll vote). MLuneth joke votes me, but someone calls him out on it, and get's really paranoid. Why would town need to verify their obvious joke post was a joke? Nervous scum. A weak distancing attempt Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. This scummy vote Blatantly sheeps the NW vote, and keeps it there the entire game. And for what reason? Suspiciously targeting lurkers... OH WAIT, hypocrisy! Wasn't that exactly what MLuneth was doing? In addition, ML is picking on someone that hasn't defended themselves explicitly. Scum want to hit the easiest target, and someone who provided an "acceptable coherent defence" is just that. Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. Lynch this guy. ^ There's that "no defence" statement again. ML hasn't attempted (even badly) to scumhunt at all to find a better candidate than NW. @MLuneth Respond to this. Do things. Stop playing the noob card all game and perform. Why this screams scum Takes points out of context to imply guilt "+ Show Spoiler + A weak distancing attempt Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. This scummy vote On March 08 2013 16:29 MLuneth wrote: ##Vote: nobodywonder This vote is basically the result suspiciously targeting lurkers but more importantly the lack of an acceptable coherent defence. Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker? Blatantly sheeps the NW vote, and keeps it there the entire game. And for what reason? Suspiciously targeting lurkers... OH WAIT, hypocrisy! Wasn't that exactly what MLuneth was doing? In addition, ML is picking on someone that hasn't defended themselves explicitly. Scum want to hit the easiest target, and someone who provided an "acceptable coherent defence" is just that. This miscontextualisation is not by accident as he very clearly neglects to mention things that I have said that disagree with his argument. Rainbows seems to think he's above questioning + Show Spoiler + Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. No, I asked you a question because I suspected that you were scum. Answering the question "should" be easy if you are town. Avoiding the question and saying that the post was aimed at you rather than the person I ended up voting for is incredibly scummy and another example of you ignore other evidence over stuff that helps your argument This is clearly scum orientated behaviour and therefore TL:DR : read the post, Rainbows is scum ##Vote: Rainbows | ||
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On March 11 2013 18:44 Krafla wrote: Good morning all, sorry I've been MASSIVELY INACTIVE again. So it looks like the vote at the moment is between MLuneth or MeatlessTaco. I was initially suspicious of MeatlessTaco due to his aggressive nature, but early on I decided against a vote for him because he'd contributed more than nobodywonder. Now by the time night one rolled around I'd been convinced by reading through the thread that a check on MLuneth would provide a better return than a check on Meatless. It turns out it didn't matter who I made a check on because I got roleblocked. Now (Warning speculation) assuming I was RB'd by the scum and not by the town, who do you think the Mafia would've seen as my most likely target? Especially over the night there was a lot of speculation towards MLuneth, which is what persuaded me to use my check on MLuneth. Now if I picked MLuneth as the person most warranting a check, what are the chances that the mob second guessed me and blocked me? For the moment I'm going to ##Vote: MLuneth primarily because even though he was active at the time he didn't switch his vote when near the end of Day 1 whilst town was coming to the consensus that a vote on AD was better. Just saw Krafla's post. I will not vote with town when I think there is someone more likely to be maf. Furthermore, consider the possibilities of the last lynch 1. NW gets most votes, gets lynched 2. Tie, NW gets lynched 3. AD gets most votes gets lynched Either the person who I think is most likely to be scum is lynched or the person who the "town consensus" gets lynched. CONCLUSION Both look scummy, I voted for the one who (imo) looked more scummy If such a vote happened where of the two major candidates one looked scummy while the other didn't and my vote was on a third person, I'm going to switch to who I think looks the scummiest and has a chance of being lynched. Hope this clears stuff up | ||
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Will also write summaries on who I think is scum. | ||
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On March 11 2013 19:39 nobodywonder wrote: Well, your case on Rainbow, I think is rather weak. One reason you claim Rainbow is scum is because he is above questions such as yours. I reread your filter and Rainbow's yet I can't find your question. Care to clarify and quote it for me? For all I know the question might not even be there or irrelevant. "Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker?" Was the question, but it's more the point that he's above answering it as shown by "Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW." | ||
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More important that he was above said question as shown by: "Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW." | ||
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On March 12 2013 01:06 Rainbows wrote: MLuneth: Doesn't vote AD when he was clearly around. Distances AD early with non-threatening vote early. Sheep votes most popular mislynch target. OMGUS cases me. Only contributions are sheeping and 'casing' me when he's up against the wall. Discuss. MLuneth talk with me bro. Don't just pop in when I'm not around and be all like HEY IM TOWN WTF U SCUM I believed at the time that NW was more likely to be scum than AD. I distanced myself to AD by voting for him to get him to say something. Similar votes were made on bduddy, or at least threatened, are those people maf too? Purely coincidence. Sheep votes the target with the most compelling scum case after previously being suspicious before bandwagon started. Just because I waited to hear from NW before voting him does not make me maf, it makes me want to avoid mis-lynch. Furthermore, if I wasn't confident that NW was maf then I would have sheeped onto the AD vote, which I did not. The point of chasing you is that you blatantly misrepresented facts to make it seem I'm maf. EXAMPLES A weak distancing attempt[/b] Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. On March 07 2013 17:34 MLuneth wrote: EBWOP Forgot to add TheRavensName to above list of people that have done little Coin said ##Vote: Arctic Daishi I've already explained my reasoning for voting AD at this point, which he chooses to ignore "Forgets" to mention that I already had voiced suspicions over NW before "sheeping" the vote | ||
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On March 12 2013 07:48 Rainbows wrote: Here: And Before: ----> Says he waited to hear from NW to vote for him because he wanted to avoid a mislynch. ----> Actually voted NW because he wasn't defending himself. Nice lies, lynch this guy. NW was active and made no defence. I heard from NW (he made more posts etc) which made me more confident about NW. I don't see how I lied -___- | ||
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It's not as if you haven't heard this before -__- | ||
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Looking back at his filter it's just pages of "nutter butter" and other crap which just floods the thread making it incredibly difficult to actually make any progress. Then, he randomly (he has talked about OE before but the actual vote comes out of nowhere) blames everyone else for not talking and votes OE, who while making some bad reads has been one of the most active scum hunters in the thread. Seems super scummy to flood the thread and then suddenly call for action. | ||
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He has been one of the most active scum hunters since D1 and while his reads may have been off I feel that his reasoning was sound. Basically the only thing that could point to him being scum for me would be his post where he basically called out every person in the thread. For what it's worth at that time half of the thread had 1 or 2 posts so I can pass this as clumsily trying to pressure while getting people to say stuff. | ||
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Oh well Rather not mislynch one of the people pushing the game again. | ||
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On March 13 2013 18:08 Krafla wrote: What's all this about? Did WoS suspect geript before he was shot? Presumably WoS was shot because he was onto the right tracks. Geript has said a lot without saying anything at all. Here's a few posts where WoS casts doubt on geript: However recently we have this, WoS seems to flip between suspecting geript completely and then not suspecting him at all. Why? Is geript just too clever or is it becuase WoS and geript have played together before and are just enjoying a bit of 'banter'? Am I reading too much in to this. During Day 2 WoS heavily favours voting MLuneth over anyone else. Because WoS flipped town and because he only switched to MeatlessTaco near the end of the day because MT dug a grave for himself I'm going to have to trust WoS on this one and ##Vote: MLuneth Not entirely sure what you mean by all this but are you voting me based on what you perceive WoS would do? | ||
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On March 13 2013 16:31 MLuneth wrote: ##FoS: Geript Looking back at his filter it's just pages of "nutter butter" and other crap which just floods the thread making it incredibly difficult to actually make any progress. Then, he randomly (he has talked about OE before but the actual vote comes out of nowhere) blames everyone else for not talking and votes OE, who while making some bad reads has been one of the most active scum hunters in the thread. Seems super scummy to flood the thread and then suddenly call for action. Plus trying to lynch OE who imo seems pretty town atm | ||
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Looking back at his filter it's just pages of "nutter butter" and other crap which just floods the thread making it incredibly difficult to actually make any progress. Then, he randomly (he has talked about OE before but the actual vote comes out of nowhere) blames everyone else for not talking and votes OE, who while making some bad reads has been one of the most active scum hunters in the thread. Seems super scummy to flood the thread and then suddenly call for action. To add to this, ChewOnStu, the person that greipt replaced sheeped the NW vote without changing and lurked, certainly super scummy behaviour. | ||
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Following on from what I posted earlier I believe that geript is scum for some VERY odd voting patterns + tunnelling (as well as what I mentioned earlier) OE even before taco flipped town. Greipt has tunnelled OE since he was introduced into the game. Then he votes meatless taco out of nowhere. If he is maf then he knows that taco is not scum but votes him to blend in and to incriminate OE tomorrow (today). This way he pushes mislynch on taco, sets up the most active scum hunter (at the time) for a lynch the next day. Furthermore, he votes OE only to "promote discussion" (after spamming the chat with nutter butter) and only once he realises that there is a decent amount of support for an OE lynch does he commit by placing a case, in which he introduces no new information that could have been gained between his vote and his "case". This is to your liking? | ||
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Tired of explaining this -___- | ||
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