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On March 10 2013 10:06 geript wrote: Either way, you said you didn't like OE, what do I need to do to get you to move your vote on him? real proof. which you won't find because I'm town. I know its hard for you to understand Geript. You should be used to being wrong at this point though. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Stop talking about nutter butter?  I need to go eat right now but I'll have a closer look at his filter after. I don't want to discount the fact the Luneth is still really scummy (despite OE gunning for him) and the fuck-tons of lurk we have in this thread. In the meantime I'd like to hear more from Taco, Frorgon and NW. Are you guys around? What do you think of Geript's case on OE? sorry WoS his case? He hasn't made one. He's made a bunch of vague comments, some of which I've already addressed previously and then he's failed to provide any information to back himself up. @Geript hurry up and make your case on me so I can smash it and we can move on with the game please. You are just a distraction at this point. | ||
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Overall no interest in pressuring players Presenting 2 bad cases without follow up" + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 07:48 OmniEulogy wrote: LOL sorry I didn't even think of your name, I just mean no player in this game is defending Arctic. @WoS me stating facts isn't defending him. I'm just trying to get my top scum read lynched, I've said multiple times I have no problem with Arctic getting lynched if people can't come to an agreement on Taco. On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. yeah, I didn't try to get him lynched for like 2 hours while making small progress at all. You got me Geript, nobody else saw what I was doing either. Oh wait... + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 06:58 Frorgon wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: MeatlessTaco I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself. On March 09 2013 08:20 nobodywonder wrote: Right now Taco and Arctic are both looking really bad. I have already said things about Arctic and I feel that he really should respond. I doubt he is simply afk. As for Taco. For generating content, it's not really content if it's rather directionless. So give us some reads, don't just try to act all innocent and excuse yourself from scumhunting when you yourself pointed the finger first. I want your stand, You say that NW has served its purpose. Show me that what purpose that was? ##Vote: MeatlessTaco What a scummy thing for me to do, make a case, push my scum read and have other players (even on the other wagon) agree with it. Where is your case on me I'm waiting. God knows my filter is big enough, You've had over 24 hours. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:36 geript wrote: Wrong, I went to bed at 2 after D&D. I woke up at 5 to cath bloated pregnant ladies all day. I got off at 5. I've been following along throughout in case. Funny, you try to points where you keep trying to get your "top scum" target lynched; funny you didn't seem to be trying to expand and compound your case to convince other people. Looks more like you keep on telling people "Yo bro my case is good vote with me" and that's nothing short of saying "I'm telling you what I'm trying to do instead of doing it" and that's scum tactics 101. @Raven your thoughts? you realize that my case on him used almost every single post he had at that point in time right? You want me to make shit up to push my case harder? Expand the case on what? When I DID expand the case it was because he came back to defend himself. So yeah, thanks for the advice Geript. OH and here is something you seem incapable of doing. showing evidence. On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. After Taco comes back, I continue to push for his lynch and expand on the case against him. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah here's the problem. You keep bringing up that + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. post as your defense to Geript's mini-case (and I do agree I'd like to hear a little more----as he put it---'expansion and consolidating' to convince us). I do not think that post accomplishes what you think it does. Just because you were forced to switch my a better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feed. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. because he was just as scummy as players like Chew. can you tell me who his scum buddies were from his interactions with people before he came back? If you could I'd be amazed. I'd also like to add that On March 09 2013 07:57 Mocsta wrote: Vote Count Krafla (0): MLuneth (0): nobodywonder (4): bduddy (0): Arctic Daishi (3): ChewOnStu (1): TheRavensName (0): Frorgon (2): MeatlessTaco (2): OmniEulogy, Frorgon No vote: nobodywonder nobodywonder is currently set to be lynched. 2 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory. Please remember to bold your votes, and to unvote if you've previously voted for someone else. It's not like I made the case on Taco because Arctic was in danger of being lynched. (that was the earliest vote summary I could find) It was actually brought to light because you (WoS) had asked me to go further into detail about what I thought about Taco because of my brief summary on him earlier. Geript doesn't consider any of this scum hunting? lol I was the only person to make a in-depth case on not only 1 person but 2. The fact that I'm even considered being scum is amusing to me but I'm more than willing to prove his case wrong and move on. | ||
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On March 10 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh need a spell/grammar checker or something.+ Show Spoiler + EBWOP: Just because you were forced to switch to my better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feet. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. Is this what you are talking about? On March 09 2013 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Terrible. This was early on in the thread before Frorgon was even under investigation. You've just overtaken everyone as the scummiest person in this thread. No opinions, sheep vote, attempting to prove yourself useful only when under pressure. Fuck this, after re-reading Omni's 'amazing' case I see some holes in it that I'm going to expose eventually. First I'm going to see if Frorgon can dig himself out of this little hole before I do it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi does everybody develop short-term memory loss when describing how they first voted for people? First Taco and now you. Can you tell me how what Arctic did was different from Chew? You just jumped on the right one between the two of them (possible that they are both scum). Your two line case on a scummy lurker was great. Took a lot of effort I'm sure. Almost as much as my case on Frorgon. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:26 bduddy wrote: It didn't take long or complex analysis to realize that Arctic was scum. The main difference was that CoS posted nothing, AD posted scummy posts. CoS definitely needs to remain under suspicion, but it's possible at this point that he's just away from the Internet for some reason. considering he's no longer in the game and has been replaced we lost a pretty good chance to find out. But my point still stands that if Arctic hadn't played as if he was brain dead we most likely wouldn't have ended up lynching him due to the fact that he looked exactly like Chew, and every lurker seems scummy. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:32 WaveofShadow wrote: The thing is, OE, my case against Daishi was strong because it fit basic scum parameters to him exactly. If he hadn't come back I'll admit I wouldn't have had much, but the fact that he came back and acted how he did sealed his fate. I didn't need multiple lines to prove that. I'm not saying I'm the only one who MADE it strong after the fact, TRN really helped with that pointing out the vote patterns. It doesn't necessarily make sense to write up a huge case on someone unless there are a lot of points to bring up, and they're strong points. I'm not saying your case on Frorgon was bad, but you had dig real deep to find some of the stuff on him which is still mostly inconclusive. As to your reasons for voting Taco, I'm not saying they're not genuine here either. But the fact remains that the Daishi case was strengthened by adding increasing points about his own scumminess, not by weakening the case on Taco. You soft defending Daishi constantly throughout the game doesn't look good now, regardless of your intentions and you have to accept that. The fact that you continued to to attempt to prove your own case by continually sticking up for Daishi looks worse. Don't get particularly upset about me grilling you, I'm playing Devil's Advocate to get more info out of you. This is mafia. I agree and I'm happy that you agree with me as well. It strengthens why I didn't join the Arctic band wagon when it started, it goes along with everything I had been saying during D1/N1. Arctic by himself and almost up till the very moment of the lynch deadline was just as scummy as every other lurker. It was when Arctic came back and proceeded to destroy himself that people became more convinced and we got a majority lynch on him. Which he then didn't even notice for another page... I mean cmon... the guy didn't help himself at all lol. Basically I'm being called scum for everything that people were agreeing with during D1. It makes no sense. I have no issue with you challenging me to any of this either. Geript on the other hand, has still failed to voice anything, has replaced a completely scummy lurker (I'd argue 2nd scummiest lurker in the game with that vote on NW) has not said anything important about it and completely derailed us from trying to learn anything about the fact that somebody stopped the NK on you. IF he's going to make a case Where the fuck is it? He's been in this game for nearly 27 hours and other than foaming at the mouth he's explained nothing. | ||
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Why would I bus every single scum buddy I've got before its EVER been necessary? it doesn't add up. I'm town. | ||
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On March 10 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Omni, who are your top scum reads and why? holy shit die in a fire. LOL Taco, find it yourself. Luneth, find it yourself. You. find it yourself. | ||
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see how it doesn't add up? I actually scum hunt. Other than yourself and Raven has anybody actually made a real case? Arctic - nope Taco - nope Rainbow - nope Krafla - nope Matriarch - nope Chew/Geript - nope NobodyWonder - nope (albeit had to defend himself for the majority of D1) bduddy - nope Frorgon - nope. | ||
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On March 10 2013 12:29 Frorgon wrote: Well Omni, it's easy to say that Wave and Raven are the only ones besides yourself who have made a real case, because they made the case against confirmed scum. But I'd argue that others have made cases as well. It's kind of useless to list almost every player in the game in order to somehow claim that you are superior. Who's to say you've made a real case? Just because you've said a lot and quoted people, it doesn't automatically confirm that you've made a real case. I agree that Geript needs to be more useful. He needs to make reads and give opinions. I don't like his just sitting back and casting one liners at people without adding anything else. I disagree that Taco keeps making himself worse. He made a decent attempt at some reads just now. For example he could have easily spun his read on me to claim that I was scum because people are still unsure about me, but he didn't His scum read on Krafla is reasonable because I'm also suspicious that Krafla was lying. So tell me Omni, what about Taco's behavior lately is making him look more scummy? Then go bring me a case on somebody original that doesn't sheep somebody else and we can cross them off. Instead of arguing over semantics you might want to actually scum hunt. Nothing Taco has done has been pro town since my cases were made. Even his list post was something he HAD to do. Null read at best and didn't offer very much considering his current condition. After my cases his defense of himself did not have a pro-town agenda. These are facts of what has happened. not opinions. I hope you don't confuse the two. Geript confirmed liar as well. nice case on me. I really enjoyed the part where you couldn't find enough to justify your vote so you ran away. | ||
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Anyway I looked back and people are for the most case correct as my case on Taco was very unpolished as I was asked to just look closer at him when I found that almost everything he had done was scummy. I will again touch on the topic of his obsession with getting other players to vote while not doing anything himself. After placing his joke vote on NW he goes after several other players to try and force them to place their votes. On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote: Matriarch / Krafla: If I held a On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote: Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. This is all very early on in the game where it isn't realistic to have a very strong scum read on anyone let alone be convinced of people you want to lynch. Ultimately nothing he has done helps town, nor does it push a town agenda. It seems more likely that he is trying to spread confusion by having many people vote on multiple targets making it much easier for mafia to get votes down without much issue. The main point is, at Town, there is no reason to try to get other people to do all of the work for you. This seems like an easy way for scum to pretend to be trying to get conversation started but instead results in no real information being found. Perfect for scum. On March 08 2013 08:58 MeatlessTaco wrote: Isn't that kind of a high bar for day 1? This struck me as odd immediately, the whole point of Town is to scum hunt and try to FIND proof of scum. Why would this be a high bar when it is the only goal we should all be working towards? Granted Taco hasn't attempted scum hunting once at this point. He's been telling people to vote for who ever they feel like and create a mess. [bold]This is NOT Townie Behavior![/bold] The only people who don't want any evidence of scum during D1 are the mafia. This post reeks scum. On March 08 2013 08:59 MeatlessTaco wrote: Are you going to vote for Krafla or keep it on BDuddy? Another useless post questioning NW about his votes. He's been avoiding doing any real work the entire time. Again, not a townie mentality. Ultimately why does it matter if NW changes his vote between the lurkers anyway? This question is absurd and serves no purpose. It wouldn't bring town any relevant information. Then we have something which I believe is extremely scummy, we have the following two posts On March 08 2013 10:35 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why are you bandwagoning on NW while your only contribution is couple of trite posts about your lurker policy? On March 08 2013 14:06 MeatlessTaco wrote: You are right. His behavior is unacceptable so far. You got anything to add Chew? ##Vote: ChewOnStu He sheeps Rainbows vote, and does exactly what he was just chastising Chew for. This post screams scum, AGAIN he does not work on his own, jumps onto another vote and then asks Chew if he has anything to add to his own lynch mob. Chew is hard core lurking all game... this vote is extremely scummy. On March 08 2013 14:14 MeatlessTaco wrote: FYI.. Arctic has 2 posts total on TL.net. He'll probably be replaced. On March 08 2013 14:17 MeatlessTaco wrote: EBWOP: Artic Daishi has to be a null read. If you haven't voted yet, vote for someone else. He'll be replaced soon. Misdirection on Arctic. Telling us all to just forget about him and move on, you shouldn't even think of putting your vote on him. I don't think I have to explain how scummy this is. On March 08 2013 14:56 MeatlessTaco wrote: No vote: OmniEulogy, Krafla, TheRavensName, Arctic Daishi, bduddy, Matriarch, Frorgon, WaveofShadows You all need to make a stand. Are you going to let marines kills our broodlings one by one? Vote and make a case. More attempts at trying to get people to vote, while he himself has not made a single case or tried to scum hunt once so far this game. Pretending to be active while in all reality not accomplishing a single thing. He has made absolutely no effort to find anything that could help town at this point. Extremely scummy. On March 09 2013 07:05 MeatlessTaco wrote: I've been re-reading the thread, only on page 25, trying to hurry up and then double check Frogron's and Chew's filters. I think the NW lynch has served its purpose. My defense quickly: My first read was picking someone was was scummy with very little information. I've been consistent in the opinion that without an instant lynch, vote for people, don't make long-winded threads saying "I don't like A, but B is bad, but maybe C". The thread had very little content. I wanted people to make a stand. Someone already caught on to this and I asked me if I really thought NW was my best scum read. I responded with how I had planned on attacking Raven, but it didn't play out like I wanted. The second I thought someone would be a better lynch than NW I switched my vote. I might switch from Chew to Frogron in a few minutes or I might not, I gotta read the last few pages and then take a look at their filters and my notes. TLDR: a bunch of lurkers saying "A or B or C might be bad, I dunno" isn't helpful. He comes back after lurking for awhile with his defense of what I had found in my first look through his filter. He talks about why he voted for NW shortly and I guess he forgot that his vote on NW was a joke. And he never did make a case for why NW was scummy. A bunch of talk about how lurkers are bad and how LURKERS going in circles isn't helpful... Lurkers are Lurkers because we have no clue WHAT they think... If the lurkers are giving us their opinions... as TOWN isn't that what we want? His mind set doesn't follow a townies at all. MAFIA don't want lurkers to talk. TOWN wants them to be active. This is a MASSIVE scum tell. On March 09 2013 08:27 MeatlessTaco wrote: Right now I only have two or three people with no information on. What if everyone had just complained how boring the thread was for two days? Where would we be right now? This is from the guy who said he doesn't want lurkers to share their thoughts, and wanted us all to just place votes on who ever with little to no reasoning. Has STILL not contributed to scum hunting and has STILL not done anything that I could see as pro-town. A lot of null-reads and extremely scummy posting. On March 09 2013 08:30 MeatlessTaco wrote: No one will care about my reads right now. I'll post all my thoughts beginning of day 2 so there is plenty of time to discuss lynching me. The only 2 actives I could vote for aren't under suspicion, so it is between Chew and Arctic. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi This was already covered by Rainbows but his vote on Arctic just looks like a massive bus to me. He knows Arctic is about to flip scum, He knows he looks terrible, so he thinks he might be able to give himself a little bit of credit by joining the scum lynch on Arctic. Overall he looks incredibly scummy and has done nothing during D1/N1 to try to help town catch scum. This is inexcusable and Mafia Behavior. Cause confusion, and try to slow down the spread of information. ##Vote: MeatlessTaco | ||
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On March 10 2013 14:48 Rainbows wrote: Taco yes, cus that's shady as fuck. ML not so much. Asking a question to host is pretty null, even if it's about a scum guy being replaced. What I find most suspect about that quote is the "considering changing my vote to one of several people' lol I think both Luneth and Taco have shown some pretty large signs that they don't really care who gets lynched. The amount of effort behind where their votes land is between minimal and non-existent. | ||
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On March 10 2013 15:31 WaveofShadow wrote: My vote stays where it is. Rainbows' case is decent enough considering we don't have more to go on until Luneth comes back. I don't like all of these random questions from you though bduddy. Can you explain why we shouldn't be believing Krafla? As far as voting OE, hopefully his continued strong (though very tunnel-y) attempts at scumhunting are enough to convince people that there are scummier candidates out there. There are a couple of very good points in his most recent case and the longer Taco goes without helping himself out the scummier he looks. In my opinion OE's continued effort and Geript's decided lack of such actually makes Geript look kinda scummy. Still awaiting that promised case. I KNOW! I said I didn't want to tunnel but Rainbow made a case on Luneth before I was able to. I was gonna do it tomorrow when I woke up while waiting for Geript to get his ass in gear but I really hate just having a single lynch mob. I've already said Luneth was my #2 scum pick. But for the sake of not sounding like a broken record I was gonna vote him... but... Rainbows made a better case than I would have anyway so back to the Wagon of Justice on Taco lol | ||
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On March 10 2013 15:36 WaveofShadow wrote: Just because Rainbows made a case on somebody doesn't mean you can't look at his case and analyze it yourself for strengths and weaknesses. That's what I've been doing all game in addition to my own. You could also make your own case if you have anything to add. There is no mutual exclusion here. given how I'm being accused of being scum, the last thing I needed to do was vote for Luneth and sheep him. Regardless of anything I could have said about Luneth I'd be accused of sheeping and people would ignore everything I said and focus on the fact that I voted for him right after Rainbow. I lost any window I had at putting my vote on Luneth with that case this early in D2 at this moment. Cause Geript is an idiot and half of town can't form their own opinions. bduddy is asking Rainbow why I'm a bad lynch choice. FORM YOUR OWN OPINION. This town as much as I feel like we've got 4 people who know what they are doing, I feel like we have 5 more that are complete brain dead sheep and it's rather aggravating. | ||
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On March 11 2013 06:41 geript wrote: @bduddy You were the one to initially bring up the OE defenses of Artic. You ALSO brought up how OE wasn't really trying to push his Taco case. Do you not like my case vs OE? Your case basically translates to "Your case on a lurker doesn't have much content" and then you use a SINGLE quote (out of context) out of my entire filter. You really tried hard on that case didn't you. OR you couldn't find anything worse than that because I'm town. Your case on me is just one very long winded opinion. You had more than enough time to actually make a case. The first time I read it I honestly thought it was just your thoughts on my case on Frorgon and not a case on me. Did you finally read up to that part of D1 or something? Because I really don't believe you are caught up with this game at all Geript. | ||
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