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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
Overall no interest in pressuring players Presenting 2 bad cases without follow up" + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 07:48 OmniEulogy wrote: LOL sorry I didn't even think of your name, I just mean no player in this game is defending Arctic. @WoS me stating facts isn't defending him. I'm just trying to get my top scum read lynched, I've said multiple times I have no problem with Arctic getting lynched if people can't come to an agreement on Taco. On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. yeah, I didn't try to get him lynched for like 2 hours while making small progress at all. You got me Geript, nobody else saw what I was doing either. Oh wait... + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 06:58 Frorgon wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: MeatlessTaco I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself. On March 09 2013 08:20 nobodywonder wrote: Right now Taco and Arctic are both looking really bad. I have already said things about Arctic and I feel that he really should respond. I doubt he is simply afk. As for Taco. For generating content, it's not really content if it's rather directionless. So give us some reads, don't just try to act all innocent and excuse yourself from scumhunting when you yourself pointed the finger first. I want your stand, You say that NW has served its purpose. Show me that what purpose that was? ##Vote: MeatlessTaco What a scummy thing for me to do, make a case, push my scum read and have other players (even on the other wagon) agree with it. Where is your case on me I'm waiting. God knows my filter is big enough, You've had over 24 hours. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Re: your reads------crap. Frorgon could very easily be scum trying to branch out his vote from the rest of his team so as not to seem suspicious. Reads based solely on voting mean nothing. Chew/Geript read is useless based on Chew's early play. He lurked. I'm fine with Geript for now and he is far from useless. I'm not even going through the rest of this. All you're doing here is summarizing what a bunch of people did with no real conclusions aside from whether you think they're scummy or not. If you want to make a case against someone, focus on them, don't divide attention. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On March 10 2013 09:53 bduddy wrote: What? That makes no sense. I'm not entirely sure about him either, although I am still suspicious of his Arctic defense, but if he or anyone else is our clearest scum option he needs to go. Krafla still needs to explain himself a little more, but most of all we need to hear more from Matriarch. Yes, I know she may have more important things to do, but either she needs to start contributing, find a replacement, or became Arctic part 2. If someone has a good case on OE, go ahead. I don't think he is confirmed town, but there are a lot better targets right now. | ||
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geript
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MeatlessTaco
United States302 Posts
On March 10 2013 10:30 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh list post. Re: your reads------crap. Harsh. Sorry to waste your time. Nutter butter. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
On March 10 2013 10:36 geript wrote: Wrong, I went to bed at 2 after D&D. I woke up at 5 to cath bloated pregnant ladies all day. I got off at 5. I've been following along throughout in case. Funny, you try to points where you keep trying to get your "top scum" target lynched; funny you didn't seem to be trying to expand and compound your case to convince other people. Looks more like you keep on telling people "Yo bro my case is good vote with me" and that's nothing short of saying "I'm telling you what I'm trying to do instead of doing it" and that's scum tactics 101. @Raven your thoughts? you realize that my case on him used almost every single post he had at that point in time right? You want me to make shit up to push my case harder? Expand the case on what? When I DID expand the case it was because he came back to defend himself. So yeah, thanks for the advice Geript. OH and here is something you seem incapable of doing. showing evidence. On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. After Taco comes back, I continue to push for his lynch and expand on the case against him. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
On March 10 2013 10:30 MeatlessTaco wrote: If someone has a good case on OE, go ahead. I don't think he is confirmed town, but there are a lot better targets right now. In addition, why are you even asking for others to get a good case on OE. You know you can do it yourself or just wait for case itself. And then you say there are better targets? Then why even want a case on OE then right now. This action seems to deflect attention from yourself and muddle the thread. Again posts that are rather directionless and lacking in content. Who are you top scumreads and these better targets? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 09 2013 08:18 OmniEulogy wrote: well fuck it. If I keep trying to lynch Taco more people are going to mistake that for me trying to save Arctic even though I've said at least three times I think Arctic is scummy as well ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi WoS I think we agree with each other on who is scummy it's just unfortunate we couldn't agree on who to lynch first. Let's hope this goes well. Yeah here's the problem. You keep bringing up that + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. post as your defense to Geript's mini-case (and I do agree I'd like to hear a little more----as he put it---'expansion and consolidating' to convince us). I do not think that post accomplishes what you think it does. Just because you were forced to switch my a better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feed. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
EBWOP: Just because you were forced to switch to my better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feet. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
What do you think of the whole OE v Geript thing going on right now? | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
On March 10 2013 10:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah here's the problem. You keep bringing up that + Show Spoiler + On March 09 2013 08:08 OmniEulogy wrote: NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today. post as your defense to Geript's mini-case (and I do agree I'd like to hear a little more----as he put it---'expansion and consolidating' to convince us). I do not think that post accomplishes what you think it does. Just because you were forced to switch my a better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feed. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. because he was just as scummy as players like Chew. can you tell me who his scum buddies were from his interactions with people before he came back? If you could I'd be amazed. I'd also like to add that On March 09 2013 07:57 Mocsta wrote: Vote Count Krafla (0): MLuneth (0): nobodywonder (4): bduddy (0): Arctic Daishi (3): ChewOnStu (1): TheRavensName (0): Frorgon (2): MeatlessTaco (2): OmniEulogy, Frorgon No vote: nobodywonder nobodywonder is currently set to be lynched. 2 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory. Please remember to bold your votes, and to unvote if you've previously voted for someone else. It's not like I made the case on Taco because Arctic was in danger of being lynched. (that was the earliest vote summary I could find) It was actually brought to light because you (WoS) had asked me to go further into detail about what I thought about Taco because of my brief summary on him earlier. Geript doesn't consider any of this scum hunting? lol I was the only person to make a in-depth case on not only 1 person but 2. The fact that I'm even considered being scum is amusing to me but I'm more than willing to prove his case wrong and move on. | ||
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nobodywonder
United States848 Posts
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OmniEulogy
Canada6600 Posts
On March 10 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Ugh need a spell/grammar checker or something.+ Show Spoiler + EBWOP: Just because you were forced to switch to my better and stronger case could have just meant you were switching to avoid looking scummier, which you state yourself. Nowhere do you actually bring up evidence as to Daishi's scumminess, you essentially just sheep on board while making it look as though we're dragging you hands and feet. You have a LOT of soft defense of Daishi in your filter (which bduddy point out quite well earlier on as evidence against Daishi) and whereas you call him scummy, you just lump him in with the lurkers who are null at best and you don't seem altogether convinced. Is this what you are talking about? On March 09 2013 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Terrible. This was early on in the thread before Frorgon was even under investigation. You've just overtaken everyone as the scummiest person in this thread. No opinions, sheep vote, attempting to prove yourself useful only when under pressure. Fuck this, after re-reading Omni's 'amazing' case I see some holes in it that I'm going to expose eventually. First I'm going to see if Frorgon can dig himself out of this little hole before I do it. ##Unvote ##Vote: Arctic Daishi does everybody develop short-term memory loss when describing how they first voted for people? First Taco and now you. Can you tell me how what Arctic did was different from Chew? You just jumped on the right one between the two of them (possible that they are both scum). Your two line case on a scummy lurker was great. Took a lot of effort I'm sure. Almost as much as my case on Frorgon. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
But on the subject of the lurkers, I think the focus should be on Rainbow and Luneth. Both of their play styles is quite odd given they have changed quite a bit from the start. In particular, rainbow could have been calling out luneth to try and save Arctic by the whole useless pressure vote if your not going follow through thing. Ontop of that the first couple of pages is full of him aggressively ripping through people and calling for action but yet, he has vanished from us. If his plan was to do a flurry of activity to get the ball of lynching a lurker rolling and then drop out to be forgotten, he did a good job sense no one remembered him till it was too late to work on reading him. | ||
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On March 10 2013 11:13 OmniEulogy wrote: It didn't take long or complex analysis to realize that Arctic was scum. The main difference was that CoS posted nothing, AD posted scummy posts. CoS definitely needs to remain under suspicion, but it's possible at this point that he's just away from the Internet for some reason.Is this what you are talking about? does everybody develop short-term memory loss when describing how they first voted for people? First Taco and now you. Can you tell me how what Arctic did was different from Chew? You just jumped on the right one between the two of them (possible that they are both scum). Your two line case on a scummy lurker was great. Took a lot of effort I'm sure. Almost as much as my case on Frorgon. | ||
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Frorgon
United States146 Posts
At this point I'm not so sure I can suspect Geript because he replaced someone who was a lurker. And the lurking was the main thing making Chew look scummy. I assume the replacement was because Chew was no longer available. There's not much to work off of there as of now. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
As to your reasons for voting Taco, I'm not saying they're not genuine here either. But the fact remains that the Daishi case was strengthened by adding increasing points about his own scumminess, not by weakening the case on Taco. You soft defending Daishi constantly throughout the game doesn't look good now, regardless of your intentions and you have to accept that. The fact that you continued to to attempt to prove your own case by continually sticking up for Daishi looks worse. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote: if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point). I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Don't get particularly upset about me grilling you, I'm playing Devil's Advocate to get more info out of you. This is mafia. | ||
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