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Where is Omni? He was one of the actives, now he's just inactive right after the lynch on Taco, and he was one that was pushing the Taco lynch.
Geript, honestly make a case if you're tunneling so hard.
MLuneth, so who are you voting? You're really buddying up with OE and you seemed very convinced that OE is town and that Geript is very likely maf
On March 14 2013 10:17 MLuneth wrote:
Essentially, if OE is town Geript is very likely maf
come on man, hook us up with some context with some quotes and analysis, MLuneth. Sure, Geript has sketchy behavior and annoys us with nutter butters, but come we all know that... you have introduced no new information. NO NONE of your analysis/claims are my liking
On March 14 2013 10:16 MLuneth wrote:
Well, I made most of my points before Sn0.
Following on from what I posted earlier I believe that geript is scum for some VERY odd voting patterns + tunnelling (as well as what I mentioned earlier) OE even before taco flipped town. Greipt has tunnelled OE since he was introduced into the game. Then he votes meatless taco out of nowhere. If he is maf then he knows that taco is not scum but votes him to blend in and to incriminate OE tomorrow (today). This way he pushes mislynch on taco, sets up the most active scum hunter (at the time) for a lynch the next day. Furthermore, he votes OE only to "promote discussion" (after spamming the chat with nutter butter) and only once he realises that there is a decent amount of support for an OE lynch does he commit by placing a case, in which he introduces no new information that could have been gained between his vote and his "case".
This is to your liking?
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Actually, Geript, your post (in spoilers for reference but not taking too much space) is not bad of an analysis, better than that of MLuneth. lol. The points you make do make some sense, yet it's really only a couple points based on one quote and his actions and may be out of a context (I hope not, but imma check the filters). I'd like to see more analysis of later Omni quotes and etc. I see he can be scummy but idk if scum
+ Show Spoiler +On March 14 2013 09:53 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 11:14 OmniEulogy wrote:
I think policy lynches should be used as a last case scenario, if we are stuck at the end of D1, lynch the scummiest lurker.
I've been thinking a while and I think this is the main reason why I'm suspicious of Omni. At the end of D1, Artctic was clearly the scummiest lurker around IMO by a wide margin. The points that Raven and WoS re: Arctic had made were pretty clear. Yet, throughout OE's filter even from early on he seems to be defending Arctic and deflecting to Taco. From a town perspective, I can understand why OE found Taco as many of us did, but what I cannot understand from a town perspective ESPECIALLY using 'scummiest lurker' as a guide is why OE would try to shift votes toward Taco who was FAR less scummy that Arctic. I can understand why, from a town perspective, he would want to question seemingly random votes. However I cannot understand why from that viewpoint he would seemingly focus more on random votes on Arctic more than other seemingly random votes. The last point that I can't understand from a town perspective is why he would stop pressuring a lurker to stop lurking once they posted a little bit. His premise is that lurkers are bad for town which is a simple and straight forward position to take from either side. Yet now he's completely lurks. If he (as town) really wants to push people to not lurking, then there is no reason to stop pushing them. From a town perspective with this basis he should be trying hard to fight against lurkers and pressuring them constantly. However, I don't see him doing that at all. While his filter is longer, it doesn't look to me that he's doing more than trying to appear active and helpful. This is the basis of scum: he doesn't follow through on his perceived 'town' agenda--This is scum mentality. He also doesn't try to push his 'town' agenda (scummiest lurker) against the obvious target--Arctic--because it goes against his actual agenda of keeping Scum alive. This makes him Scum. Vote OE.
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^ For the swarm. Kill Luneth and then Omni. I'm tired of Luneth's BS, saying that he has been contributing to town. Nope. you haven't and lemme break down your contributions. You better start scumhunting.
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^yee gl geript, nutter butter?
Overall MLuneth's play is either scummy or extremely bad town.
I'm still wondering that he kept his vote on me when it was rather obvious that the thread realized that AD was extremely scummy and voted him. I wouldn't feel too bad for his vote against me if he explained his reasons and showed why I was scummy. Yet he never explained his reasons, and this lack of explanations just doesn't make sense as a townie. As a townie, he could definitely contributed.
##Vote: MLuneth
On March 14 2013 13:26 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 13:10 nobodywonder wrote:
^ For the swarm. Kill Luneth and then Omni. I'm tired of Luneth's BS, saying that he has been contributing to town. Nope. you haven't and lemme break down your contributions. You better start scumhunting. Apparently you need to vote then.
I hope that you MLuneth can do some explaining, otherwise a sad fate awaits you.
If you're town, don't be a Taco. Get scumhunting, give us the best scumreads you have ever.
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I'm concerned about OE, now he hasn't posted at all since pushing Taco, while letting me and Raven do most of the work of pushing Taco on D2 (RIP Taco). The fact that he hasn't contributed is alarming since it contrasts his initial assertiveness and activity. He dispensed advice, gave a case of Frogron and on Taco and now is afk. 
Now, OE, man you gotta get back in here. No sheep plz.
Sno, ya other not voter, you posted lots of stuff on policies on how to best play, well the best way is to scum hunt man. Follow your own advice and get scumhunting and urgent and deliberate.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 14 2013 02:27 Sn0_Man wrote:
Arguing about town reads is pointless. The goal here is to identify and lynch scum.
Plus, you should really avoid defending somebody until they have had a chance to defend themselves. There is *no* town reason to deflect pressure from another player, because their response is important information that town can use. Either they clear their own name and everybody is happy, or they incriminate themselves and we nail scum. Win-Win for town. It is NOT your responsibility to try and clear other peoples name (Unless ur scum trying to save a scumbuddy?) On March 14 2013 11:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
At this point I really want to hear some kind of defense out of omni before I continue researching him. He hasn't had any real pressure on him previously so this ought to tell us a lot. On the other hand, he scrubbed out of my last mafia game with him due to PC issues so who knows whats up...
@frorgon: Well I'm glad you are willing to push a read. I'm not really sold on MLuneth being too much scummier than, say, nobodywonder or krafla who are in very similar positions. I'm currently more interested in lynching geript (although he is bringing legitimate points against OE...). However, If we can't consolidate on scum anytime soon I'll have a good look at MLuneth's filter (since it really isn't that long and you are so dead-set on him). Just try not to get confirmation bias, find other scum as well. I think we all get the point that he is your top scumread. On March 14 2013 13:56 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 13:04 TheRavensName wrote:On March 14 2013 12:43 geript wrote:
I think it would be beneficial for people to start taking stances between Omni/Luneth as those seem to be the two primary reads. I'm not opposed to someone trying to make a strong case for against a third party instead (even if its against me), but to gather further information I think we need to start making people pick a side. I'm from Hive Char, and I say kill em all. While admittedly we have some leeway due to how well day/night 1 went, the "kill them all" mindset is terrible. Scum are then free to pick which one of "all" end up being the lynch target and obviously it won't be scum. Or, more clearly, time is on scum's side. If we aren't deliberate and urgent about hitting SCUM, it doesn't take that many mislynches until we get to situations where we MUST lynch scum. "Lynch both" isn't even acceptable. You *MUST* pick one and provide a good reason why it should be that one today. If you want to vote the other one the next day, that is your prerogative.
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Also Omni, where's your scumreads?
as sno pointed out, this is a shit defense. how do you know that either you or ML are scum? where is your evidence? this just doesn't make sense as town. and who cares if you like/love ML? mafia isnt a lovefest, hold you hand game, it's a violent lynching and kills game.
your vote feels like a SHEEP. "oh yeah ML seems scummy, and I seem scummy, so um get him first, and maybe he flips scum and then maybe get me, but probably not cuz you know ML the scum has been defending so I'm prolly not scum"
and no prophecies either, just do the frickin' scumhunting. again have good town play
+ Show Spoiler +On March 15 2013 06:08 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 06:05 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 15 2013 05:51 bduddy wrote:OK, I think I've made it pretty clear that I'm suspicious of OE. Some quick glances show that OE has attacked ML several times (without voting, but I guess that's understandable if he's actually been away), while ML has on a couple of occasions defended OE. It seems highly unlike that OE would be bussing ML; many of his accusing posts came during the Taco bandwagon, where they would be utterly pointless. If ML is actually scum, then, this would seem to be a contribution; why would scum defend another player unless they were scum, but if OE was scum, why would he spend so many posts getting on ML? Examples: Now that we know Arctic's alignment it looks more like Luneth was trying to save him without making it look too obvious. If we consider how quickly he leaves after nobody budges from Arctic it looks pretty bad. (Night 1) On March 09 2013 08:06 MLuneth wrote:
I am rereading cases now.
Going to be wishy washy either way, but I'd rather be correct
nothing more about Arctic vs NW after this. I think both Luneth and Taco have shown some pretty large signs that they don't really care who gets lynched. The amount of effort behind where their votes land is between minimal and non-existent. good to see you come back with such a strong case rainbows. I agree with you that Luneth looks like a pretty good choice for mafia, leaving us with 1(?) remaining. I still believe the last one is Taco. If there is a 4th I'd be surprised as I've only had 3 scum in all of my newbie games. Is this a weak bus, leaving room for OE to claim "But I was on ML the whole time!" if he goes down? Maybe. I doubt it, though - why do it so early before MLuneth was under real suspicion? On the other hand, MLuneth's defenses of OE are not hard to find, he even admitted himself that it looked like he was buddying him. So that leaves three possibilities - OE is scum and ML is town, they're both town, or they're both mafia and OE is trying a really weird bus. I'm not willing to believe that they're both town given the combined suspicion I have towards both of them (yes, I know it was Day 1, but OE's defense of AD was just too much for me to ignore), and so both remaining possibilities are that OE is scum. And I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. ##Unvote
##Vote: OmniEulogy I was actually going to touch on this after I had finished cleaning a bit more but I'm happy to get it out of the way right now. IMO either 1 of us are scum or both of are. Luneth's recent attempts to save me (although I love him for it as a person) rub me the wrong way. I believe Luneth is scum and is trying to paint me red for when he flips. Not very hard for him to do if he defends me for the remainder of this day. The only thing I can say to this is lynch Luneth first. He was my #2 scum read behind Taco, Taco is gone and nobody has taken his place. This makes Luneth my #1 and Geript is my #2 scum read. I believe Luneth will flip scum and it will still put me in a very difficult position but with only 1 scum remaining at that point I wouldn't mind taking one for the team given my recent inactivity and all I would ask in this scenario is that people start looking for the last scum with me under the assumption that when I get lynched D4 I will flip green and the game will continue. Which is exactly what will happen. I've been looking for ways to find the last scum after Luneth flips and I believe it will be Geript. I will be pushing for his lynch D4 as Chew was extremely scummy and Geript has done very little to change that. Anyway it's my belief that Luneth is defending me in order to get me lynched D4 by association and try to make people believe that I have been bussing him for quite awhile. ##Vote: Luneth is this the opposite of an OMGUS? I like you Luneth, but I think you are scum Wow, that post was incredibly Martyr-like. Yuckkkkkkkkkk. Thats like, the saddest defense of anything ever. "I was gonna touch on this later, but I'm like almost certainly scum. Please don't lynch me just lynch this other guy first". WTF?
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On March 15 2013 06:18 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 06:08 Sn0_Man wrote:On March 15 2013 06:05 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 15 2013 05:51 bduddy wrote:OK, I think I've made it pretty clear that I'm suspicious of OE. Some quick glances show that OE has attacked ML several times (without voting, but I guess that's understandable if he's actually been away), while ML has on a couple of occasions defended OE. It seems highly unlike that OE would be bussing ML; many of his accusing posts came during the Taco bandwagon, where they would be utterly pointless. If ML is actually scum, then, this would seem to be a contribution; why would scum defend another player unless they were scum, but if OE was scum, why would he spend so many posts getting on ML? Examples: Now that we know Arctic's alignment it looks more like Luneth was trying to save him without making it look too obvious. If we consider how quickly he leaves after nobody budges from Arctic it looks pretty bad. (Night 1) On March 09 2013 08:06 MLuneth wrote:
I am rereading cases now.
Going to be wishy washy either way, but I'd rather be correct
nothing more about Arctic vs NW after this. I think both Luneth and Taco have shown some pretty large signs that they don't really care who gets lynched. The amount of effort behind where their votes land is between minimal and non-existent. good to see you come back with such a strong case rainbows. I agree with you that Luneth looks like a pretty good choice for mafia, leaving us with 1(?) remaining. I still believe the last one is Taco. If there is a 4th I'd be surprised as I've only had 3 scum in all of my newbie games. Is this a weak bus, leaving room for OE to claim "But I was on ML the whole time!" if he goes down? Maybe. I doubt it, though - why do it so early before MLuneth was under real suspicion? On the other hand, MLuneth's defenses of OE are not hard to find, he even admitted himself that it looked like he was buddying him. So that leaves three possibilities - OE is scum and ML is town, they're both town, or they're both mafia and OE is trying a really weird bus. I'm not willing to believe that they're both town given the combined suspicion I have towards both of them (yes, I know it was Day 1, but OE's defense of AD was just too much for me to ignore), and so both remaining possibilities are that OE is scum. And I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is. ##Unvote
##Vote: OmniEulogy I was actually going to touch on this after I had finished cleaning a bit more but I'm happy to get it out of the way right now. IMO either 1 of us are scum or both of are. Luneth's recent attempts to save me (although I love him for it as a person) rub me the wrong way. I believe Luneth is scum and is trying to paint me red for when he flips. Not very hard for him to do if he defends me for the remainder of this day. The only thing I can say to this is lynch Luneth first. He was my #2 scum read behind Taco, Taco is gone and nobody has taken his place. This makes Luneth my #1 and Geript is my #2 scum read. I believe Luneth will flip scum and it will still put me in a very difficult position but with only 1 scum remaining at that point I wouldn't mind taking one for the team given my recent inactivity and all I would ask in this scenario is that people start looking for the last scum with me under the assumption that when I get lynched D4 I will flip green and the game will continue. Which is exactly what will happen. I've been looking for ways to find the last scum after Luneth flips and I believe it will be Geript. I will be pushing for his lynch D4 as Chew was extremely scummy and Geript has done very little to change that. Anyway it's my belief that Luneth is defending me in order to get me lynched D4 by association and try to make people believe that I have been bussing him for quite awhile. ##Vote: Luneth is this the opposite of an OMGUS? I like you Luneth, but I think you are scum Wow, that post was incredibly Martyr-like. Yuckkkkkkkkkk. Thats like, the saddest defense of anything ever. "I was gonna touch on this later, but I'm like almost certainly scum. Please don't lynch me just lynch this other guy first". WTF? At this point it's a numbers game and I'm dead after Luneth unless I can get people on Geript. So yeah its a post for why we should continue to vote Luneth. I don't really care how you view it lol
No, it's not just a numbers game, that's a scummy attitude, because it implies a town win just a series of lucky/fortunate lynches. Nope it's also a game of scumhunting and getting the evidence to destroy scum. If you think Geript, get him then. You thought Taco was, and made a decent case (though it ended up that Taco just had bad town play).
Again, town really needs to have good attitude about scumhunting, otherwise this thread is going to be filled with bad town play and then we cant differentiate from that and scummy play.
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At this pt, the votes are tied, I think. Both have a lot of explaining to do so...
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^actually not quite,
Can we have a vote count, plz
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Yee yee gl hf..... gogo 1 more most likely.
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baaaaaaaaaaa
what do you see, Krafla?
otherwiser, baaaaaa
##Vote: Sn0_man
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I'd like to dedicate this game to myself, being a bitter person and voting those who voted me. Good thing that most of them were scummy.
/end bitter narcissist
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gg everyone, thanks for not killing me D1  gl rainbow, omni, geript, wave and raven
my reads were off and I wasn't sure if Omni was townie for the longest time. For some reason in the back of my head, I just had a conspiracy theory that Omni might be mafia. and sorry Taco.
mafia should have been active, there should have been at least one active mafia pointing out reads and causing chaos. town knew more or less most actives weren't scum, so it was just pressuring lurkers and the scum reacted at times quite badly
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^ ahh i see. interesting use of nutter butters
btw hosts are you still going to update the flavor for day 2, night 1? just wondering...anyways this flavor was racist to me, because I play terran. I wanted to kill them zerglings.
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^lol
The worst kind of death. Lol you could linked some destiny video. Subterranean anal assault. Retard magnet lll
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