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On March 09 2013 06:50 Frorgon wrote:
I think it's entirely possible that it's just a bad townie. I am also willing to change my vote, although I agree with Wave's assessment that I am not entirely sold on Meatless yet.
But basically right now it seems as if my vote on bduddy is going to be pretty useless, though a vote on nobodywonder seems to be the easy way out. The case against him gets weaker by the moment.
Either NW learned how to play scum over the period of the last 4 hours or he's coming out of his shell as a townie. He's accurately explaining himself as well, also his defense of Arctic rather than jumping on an easy target to get people off his back isn't very characteristic of mafia, it doesn't clear Arctic of anything but it makes NW look much better.
I'm still going to push for Taco's lynch but if it comes down to needing a vote to save NW vs Arctic I'll consider it, my vote stays on Taco as the scummiest player in the game though.
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On March 09 2013 07:00 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:58 Frorgon wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: MeatlessTaco
I am going to take a stand now to see if we can get more people onboard. I think nobodywonder does make a good point that we don't gain much information from lynching Arctic D1. I do find it curious that Meatless has disappeared after getting everyone to antagonize NW, maybe thinking that his job was done for the day. Lets see if he can defend himself. If we Lynch Arctic and he comes up Red though, we get a good deal out of it. Especially sense Meatless was pushing for us to forget about him cause he would just be replaced.
I'm writing down my answer to your question now WoS but first I wanna nip this, Please don't start trying to make association cases pre-flip, Once I see this shit I can't unsee it and it starts to subconsciously control the way I make my cases and how I vote  in this case though it hurts both of them imo and doesn't make either of them look any more town, but pleaseee don't make association cases before the flip.
On the plus side I continue to believe that Raven is just newb townie. Everything he has done points in that direction as far as strange questions/acts ect. so in his own way he's proven his innocence (slightly) to me.
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On March 09 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
THERE's the man of the hour.
Now the fun can really begin.
now that he's posted I'm just going to shorten it to - we could have seen how he interacted with people including some of the lurkers, vs Arctic not talking to anybody and saying my case seemed good. lol
Also I don't think we need to worry about lurkers posting about who they think is scummy with A B C ect. because the whole problem we face with lurkers is that they give us no information on anybody ever. The sheep their votes and go back to lurking, so forcing them to vote for somebody doesn't exactly help. They are still lurkers =/
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if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point).
I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark.
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On March 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:
Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote:
if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point).
I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn
I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched...
I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse.
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On March 09 2013 07:28 Frorgon wrote:
@Omni If we vote scum on D1 it trumps anything else we could do. If Arctic was lynched and did indeed flip as scum we could use that information to pressure others who are behaving similarly. And I think it would be quite plausible to see his votes as town since they have all been bandwagon votes. I don't think scum would vote off one of their own on D1 unless it looks like that person isn't actually going to receive the most votes.
For sure I agree with you 100% It's just a question of playing duck duck goose but replace it with lurker lurker scum on Arctic. I'm not disagreeing with anybody who says Arctic looks scummy as hell.
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On March 09 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:27 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:
Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote:
if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point).
I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched... I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse. Well can you explain to me what we learn if Taco flips town?
that I'm an idiot and can't read people. I believe he's scum but I'm willing to consolidate on Arctic to save NW for D1.
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On March 09 2013 07:37 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:34 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 09 2013 07:27 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:
Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote:
if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point).
I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched... I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse. Well can you explain to me what we learn if Taco flips town? that I'm an idiot and can't read people. I believe he's scum but I'm willing to consolidate on Arctic to save NW for D1. Ha. So the gains either way are subjective at best.
fair enough as I wasn't really considering what would happen if Taco flipped town. Arctic is pretty much a blank sheet regardless of his flip, that's how I was comparing them.
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On March 09 2013 07:37 MLuneth wrote:
When saying that I lurk or don't comment enough realise that most of this discussion is happening at 2-5 in the morning.for me.
please catch up quickly. I'd like to know what you think of all this.
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On March 09 2013 07:41 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:38 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:37 TheRavensName wrote:On March 09 2013 07:34 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 09 2013 07:27 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:
Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote:
if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point).
I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched... I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse. Well can you explain to me what we learn if Taco flips town? that I'm an idiot and can't read people. I believe he's scum but I'm willing to consolidate on Arctic to save NW for D1. Ha. So the gains either way are subjective at best. fair enough as I wasn't really considering what would happen if Taco flipped town. Arctic is pretty much a blank sheet regardless of his flip, that's how I was comparing them. But when someone comes up mafia, you learn a lot about those defending him and not defending him - especially when's he's essentially a lurker without anything concrete to go on.
but nobody is defending him. lol
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On March 09 2013 07:45 nobodywonder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:41 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:41 bduddy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:38 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:37 TheRavensName wrote:On March 09 2013 07:34 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:29 TheRavensName wrote:On March 09 2013 07:27 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 09 2013 07:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 09 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:
Just going to toss it out there. That seemed a little early to be expecting a replacement on arctic when there was only a single vote for arctic. He acted like we were going to accidently lynch him. But that'll be the end of this for now. You're right, and I want to see Taco comment on this. On March 09 2013 07:22 OmniEulogy wrote:
if Arctic is scum and you guys nail him, it's fantastic but I'm still wondering how he is different from the other lurkers like bduddy. If we just talk about Arctic being lynched and flipping scum, the only thing we gain is scum being down by 1 which is huge for D1 don't get me wrong but his absence means we don't learn much else from it. My question to him at that point was the best I could do, he literally had 0 posts to his name, and all the questions were more aimed towards seeing peoples reactions to me asking them, and how people felt about Luneth as opposed to Arctic (who wasn't even a subject of conversation at that point).
I guess if I look at it from a point that Arctic wouldn't vote on his own scum buddies, we might be able to clear the people he's voted on as being town? Although even that is a shot in the dark. Did you read Taco's post? Or Raven's last few? We have plenty to learn. Daishi is goin' downnnnnnnnnn I really want to avoid trying to make a link between Arctic and Taco till after the flip. And if Arctic flips town I'm going to be kicking myself for not being able to persuade people to vote Taco, however I don't want to see NW lynched... I don't disagree that Arctic looks scummy, I just think Taco looks worse. Well can you explain to me what we learn if Taco flips town? that I'm an idiot and can't read people. I believe he's scum but I'm willing to consolidate on Arctic to save NW for D1. Ha. So the gains either way are subjective at best. fair enough as I wasn't really considering what would happen if Taco flipped town. Arctic is pretty much a blank sheet regardless of his flip, that's how I was comparing them. But when someone comes up mafia, you learn a lot about those defending him and not defending him - especially when's he's essentially a lurker without anything concrete to go on. but nobody is defending him. lol clarify this. now i realize my name is terrible for mafia, lets have it such that people should refer me only as NW or wonder so thread doesnt get confused
LOL sorry I didn't even think of your name, I just mean no player in this game is defending Arctic.
@WoS me stating facts isn't defending him. I'm just trying to get my top scum read lynched, I've said multiple times I have no problem with Arctic getting lynched if people can't come to an agreement on Taco.
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On March 09 2013 07:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Luneth, there has been so much evidence as to why you're wrong I'm not even going to link it. Just look at his filter. This refusal to change your vote even after it's been established that only lurkers are going to be staying on NW is looking tres scummy.
As for you Taco, I really wish you hadn't said that. Almost every mafia game I've been in where someone tried some sort of funny business or gambit to 'generate content' they turned out to be mafia. What's the point in generating content you yourself have no intention of following up on? All it does is create confusion and further useless content ---> scum MO.
The Wagon of Justice is still available.
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On March 09 2013 08:04 bduddy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 07:59 TheRavensName wrote:On March 09 2013 07:51 MLuneth wrote:+ Show Spoiler +bduddy pointed you out soft defending Daishi. You keep saying we'd learn nothing if he flipped? Well we might learn something about you. We'd certainly also learn something about his voting patterns and we might be able to figure out if the people he was bandwagoning were scum or not. Who was this directed at? I believe it was said this was Omni. Now the issue with this line of thinking is, Omni has not accused anyone Arctic has jumped on until the one against Frorgon, and quite a few people had similar reactions until it was read over about a dozen times. At this point I wouldn't say that scum would necessarily work together to try to lynch a specific person. What they would definitely try to do is try to deflect voting of other scum, because at this point that's a lot more necessarily for them and, if done properly, less suspicious. I stand by what I said earlier that OE especially has been trying to do that with Arctic, and I don't see anything nobodywonder has done that makes him more suspicious. What happens if the vote is a tie?
If the vote is a tie the player who reached the highest amount first is lynched, in other words NW gets lynched if there is a tie.
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On March 09 2013 08:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well it's too late now to worry about Rainbows' scumminess right now we can't afford to spread ourselves out any thinner. I personally hope he shows up to give further insight but if not we're really going to have a good look at him soon too.
We REALLY need vote consolidation from the following people:
MeatlessTaco, Arctic Daishi, Rainbows, ChewonStu, Luneth, Matriarch, Krafla.
NW can vote to save his ass well.. tie on Arctic and I've already said I'll switch if I can't convince people to lynch Taco, but I've still got 2 hours to see if I can do it. As you yourself said, even his defense dabbles in scum MO. I don't understand how we aren't lynching this guy today.
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well fuck it. If I keep trying to lynch Taco more people are going to mistake that for me trying to save Arctic even though I've said at least three times I think Arctic is scummy as well
##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi
WoS I think we agree with each other on who is scummy it's just unfortunate we couldn't agree on who to lynch first. Let's hope this goes well.
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On March 09 2013 08:21 bduddy wrote:
EBWOP: Guess you already did, I should check the topic before I submit...
hahaha it happens, quite a lot in mafia. NW voting for him was good imo unfortunately I don't think I'm gonna get any of you to move off Arctic unless Taco comes back and basically claims scum so, I still take responsibility for being part of the people who lynch Arctic and hopefully switching my vote now won't hurt any town credibility I had because I feel that we (the current active players) are working together quite well. If this lynch is right hopefully we can get on a roll.
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On March 09 2013 08:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright so now it's 2 on Taco, 4 on NW, 4 on Daishi. We need 7 on Daishi.
Some of these lurkers had better come back because as it stands the only two who are here that COULD switch are NW and Luneth. (Though if Luneth switches I think we'd have hammer.)
Honestly we only need NW to switch over. If anybody does any funny shit after that we just lynch them D2. NO townie would fuck with our minority lynch on Arctic after all this unless they intentionally wanted to ruin the game for the rest of us.
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WoS I understand where you are coming from under normal circumstances you don't want to explain yourself during the night, but I think regardless of Arctics flip Taco will be my prime suspect for D2. I say we have him give us everything he's got during N1 and see what happens.
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yeah it's why I said N1 instead of right now, also exactly. I doubt scum will target him N1 even if he is town and gives us all his reads. I say we get the information he's holding onto sooner so we can make more sense of it faster.
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I'm a DT! :D as in the unit.... 2k posts lol
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