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nobodywonder
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On March 10 2013 10:30 MeatlessTaco wrote: If someone has a good case on OE, go ahead. I don't think he is confirmed town, but there are a lot better targets right now. In addition, why are you even asking for others to get a good case on OE. You know you can do it yourself or just wait for case itself. And then you say there are better targets? Then why even want a case on OE then right now. This action seems to deflect attention from yourself and muddle the thread. Again posts that are rather directionless and lacking in content. Who are you top scumreads and these better targets? | ||
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That said, Taco hasn't responded to either Omni's and my questions. I still find Taco suspicious, because his actions do not seem pro-town. My scumread is currently stronger on Taco. I think it would be made much more clear if Taco can respond to Omni, because it can shed more perspective on the true nature of Omni's actions. From there, I feel that the whole Omni vs geript issue will become more clear. On March 10 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Omni, who are your top scum reads and why? that geript 180. that was sudden and unexpected. I was really looking forward to your analysis of Omni's motivations and agenda. Are you still going to explain in more detail? On March 10 2013 09:45 geript wrote: Here's the option I like the most: ## vote omnieulogy You're interested in finding out Luneth's alignment and doesn't change a thing. I'll explain more in detail late tonight but here's a summary: Soft defenses of Artic Nothing but mudslinging Further suspicions without trying to actually pressure Overall no interest in pressuring players Interest in wasting time discussing worthless matters Presenting 2 bad cases without follow up As for Omni, well I will re-visit your argument on Taco and check your actions. | ||
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nobodywonder
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On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote: Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote: Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. On March 08 2013 02:58 MeatlessTaco wrote: There is no instant majority, if we change our mind in the next 36 hours, we can unvote and vote for someone else. Put down a vote and justify it. I am going to keep calling for votes on nobodywonder. I know his scumbuddies are trying to protect him, but the rest of town is just hedging bets. Initially in the game, he is very aggressive. He accuses me to “generate content”. However it also he also points fingers at Krafla, because of Krafla's reservations and wishy-washiness. He constantly prods Krafla to make a stand, and repeats that point several times. He then makes an ultimatium to Krafla to either side with him and me. Why does he do this? As town, perhaps he genuninely wants concrete arguments and stands. So far so good, yet from this point, his later actions will contradict his early agenda for concrete argument and justification, indicating scummy play. There are several situations that I will point to: 1) His case against me (or lack thereof) 2) Meaningless FoS at Raven 3) His scumreads. 1) His case against me On March 07 2013 17:10 MeatlessTaco wrote: Your play so far doesn't seem very helpful to the town. You've managed to make two posts with zero content. Are you going to agree with Karla who is just going to lynch a lurker, which doesn't seem very helpful to town, or are you going to agree with me who would like to lynch you? You are just trying to buddy up to WaveofShadow during the first day to not draw suspicion before your first night kill. You said you played before, so I don't buy the newbie act. The thing is that he never makes it. I did some scummy actions, yet he never commit to analyzing my actions and motives and agenda. Here again, he issues an ultimatum to me to agree with Karla or him. Why the hell would I agree to him to lynch myself? Why should I even bother to agree with him or not? All the ultimatum serves is to cover his lack of a real case against me. On March 08 2013 02:58 MeatlessTaco wrote: There is no instant majority, if we change our mind in the next 36 hours, we can unvote and vote for someone else. Put down a vote and justify it. I am going to keep calling for votes on nobodywonder. I knowhis scumbuddies are trying to protect him, but the rest of town is just hedging bets. Again here why does Taco push people to vote, at this point, and seemingly directed towards me? It seems like a diversionary attention to cause further confusion. 2) Meaningless FoS at Raven On March 08 2013 08:46 MeatlessTaco wrote: I wanted to pounce on Raven, his initial exuberance 10 min before game starts and then lurks for a long time like he's getting help from his scum mentor. Since then, he hasn't done enough to move my suspicion. There is no instant lynch. My vote means who I suspect right now. On March 08 2013 10:26 MeatlessTaco wrote: You were very excited to start the game, letting us know T-10 min to game start. Then the game started, but you didn't post at all for awhile. One could make the case you saw your role and didn't want to start digging holes so you gameplanned or asked a mentor before proceeding. If I thought you were more scummy than NW after you returned I would have changed my vote. It remains on NW. When WoS notices that Taco actually hasn't made a case against me, WoS asks Taco about his scumread. Taco responses with a completely null and meaningless read on Raven. In response to WoS's questions about scumreads, Taco says he wants to go after Raven, but why? Eventually he just completely drops the subject, then why even bring out the subject in the first place. This is directionless and meaningless action. At this point, I believe Taco realizes the lynch NW bandwagon is going down and needs a new target and when Chew presents a scummy vote on me, and after Rainbow votes on Chew, Taco sheeps onto the Chew vote. Lastly, his contributions on D2. Minimal, a crap summary of Frogron, Chew, Krafla and Mluneth. spoilered because it's useless and long + Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 09:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: If OE is scum, he deserves to live a couple more days. First, what does this mean, if he is scum then he should live? No, if he is scum then he should hang! This is clearly not town thinking. On March 10 2013 10:24 MeatlessTaco wrote: I reread the whole thing up to end of day 1. Here are my reads. I'll discuss exactly why I think someone not listed is town if they are under suspicion or anyone particularly cares. I had 6 canidates, as I went through it I turned Frogron green. Frogron: pg 17&19: Wants suspicion off of lurkers. Suspecting NW but doesn't vote yet ( would have put 7 on NW at that point ), ends up voting for bduddy. Unless it's a NW, AD, Frog team, I don't see the logic here for scum. He tried to start a Taco bandwagon ( off of AD ) on page 27 and argues that lynching AD won't give information, which is suspect, but on page 28 won't jump on either MT or AD wagon and votes Chew. So, if Chew, me and AD are all scum that would make sense. Otherwise we shouldn't kill him anytime soon. ChewOnStu or lurker Here is his activity so far: pg 17: lynch all lurkers can be scummy, it's too early to think about that pg 18: pressuring lurkers is ok, but try not to mislynch pg 19: votes for the NW bandwagon Geript is useless. lynch at some point, maybe not today Krafla I'm posting this before I read the resolution of the claim and stuff, this is just off my notes: pg 15: thinks discussion might be cover for scum votes? pg 16: picks arctic's name out of a hat, which doesn't seem smart as scum pg 19,20,23: Soft defends Arctic, is cautious about voting NW yet, votes bduddy over AD (AD hadn't posted yet), fos's me a couple times and then picks to vote for NW where it stays A decent candidate for today, the claim thing will obviously have to come into consideration. The big thing is did he pick Arctic's name out of a hat as cover? His later posts seem him to be distancing himself from AD. Mluneth He wants a lurker lynch and picks quickly, he ends up voting for NW, but took no effort to get out of AD vote (pg 22) OE and WoS brought this up earlier, but I read it differently when I went through it. Suspicious though is that he was active later, and still leaves his vote on NW. Rainbows pg 18: says lurker discussion is pointless, calls MLuneth scum, calls omni list pointless, tries to shutdown discussion, defends Arctic pg 22: votes chew and then I sheep him pg 24: good read on OE post, but then suggests Chew and Frogron ( not AD ) Not much contribution except for starting the call-out on Chew Matriarch asks some noob questions and fingers me, so null read there questions my post level when she has posted like twice, and then on pg 22 defends OE in NW vote, not helpful either way Completely useless point, what do we learn from it. Completely nothing. There is no need to confirm Frogron, we need to scumhunt first. The post on Chew is COMPLETELY useless, he was replaced anyways. On Krafla, he argues he offers a candidate for the lynch today, but there's no meat on the analysis. And on Mluneth and Rainbows and Matriarch, there is nothing. A huge useless, contentless post. How can this be pro-town? WoS replies to Taco and calls out the list as crap. Taco really meekly replies: On March 10 2013 10:42 MeatlessTaco wrote: Harsh. Sorry to waste your time. Nutter butter. For all his initial aggressiveness on others to make a stand by chastising them and issuing ultimatiums and his professed claim to try to promote discussion, Taco ultimately does contradictory actions and provides us with a big fat nothing and never takes his own advice to take a stand. These are extremely scummy actions in my eyes and I'd like to lynch Taco. ##Vote: MeatlessTaco On March 09 2013 11:01 MeatlessTaco wrote: Yeah, we'll have to look at the exact timing of things, but I remember still being slightly worried NW was going to take a hit even after I moved off of him. If I had bussed Arctic I think I would have try to post something to make it seem like it was something I could take credit for. If I had got to choose at the time it would have been Krafla, ChewonStu, Daishi and then Raven. After WoS said my defense looked scummy I tried to STFU and not get myself hung. That is hilarious. At least now if I get mislynched I can blame in on bad luck and not on poor play. as a famous person | ||
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I'm still bitter about the lurkers who just left their vote on me: I'm looking at you Matriach, and Kafla and especially you MLuneth, considering you were there when I was about to be lynched and you were considering to switch but never did. Oh I will satisfied if you can explain yourself why you did so. Perhaps you know something that we don't know or have a great case against me. I look forward to reading it. | ||
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first that would seriously suck. I really do think Taco is scum though... l don't know honestly, whether to go after lurkers or actives. The lurkers are seriously hurting this game, at this pt, I think it's mostly MLunech, Matriarch and Krafla, though, Krafla claimed blue. So we could go after most likely MLunech and Matriarch, especially MLunech. N2 will be important for Krafla. As for actives, we can re-examine the geript vs omni thing and what to make out of it. | ||
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On March 10 2013 09:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: If OE is scum, he deserves to live a couple more days. This quote still really bothers me. Strange defense of OE. May be important when we get a mislynch or good lynch. | ||
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On March 07 2013 14:47 MeatlessTaco wrote: Nobody's only post is sheeping the experienced guy adding no new content of his own? Now you can lurk and say "I would have contributed if the game were more exciting?" That seems pretty anti-town to me. ##Vote: nobodywonder Now it's more exciting. woo ~ come on Taco, give me excitement. as for Matriarch, I forgot that Matriarch is a she. oops lol, well well Rainbow that's kinda sexist. I would like an argument against Matriarch from you against her. Along sexist comments, I hear women are good at arguing. Herpaderp | ||
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Well good to hear from you too, Krafla. Gl with checks I guess... I don't know what to say about mafia intentions to block you and stuff. I may comment on that later after rereading this "case" from MLuneth. | ||
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On March 09 2013 01:06 Rainbows wrote: A useless question. Policy is pointless, and the fact that we (you) are still talking about it is also pointless. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 10 2013 13:56 Rainbows wrote: Hey guys, sorry I've pretty much been a lurking piece of shit so far since mid day 1. Sorry, things to do, people to see, roomates to argue with. I'm looking at the red lynch atm... MLuneth is looking like a prime candidate for todays lynch imo. Opening Post Completely buddies Omni, and acts all "pro town" by not wanting to lynch Krafla (which, was obviously a troll vote). MLuneth joke votes me, but someone calls him out on it, and get's really paranoid. Why would town need to verify their obvious joke post was a joke? Nervous scum. A weak distancing attempt Basically coinflip votes Arctic Daishi, which seems oddly enough like an attempt to disassociate the two should one of them flip. There is no reasoning behind it. This scummy vote On March 08 2013 16:29 MLuneth wrote: ##Vote: nobodywonder This vote is basically the result suspiciously targeting lurkers but more importantly the lack of an acceptable coherent defence. Rainbow, it strikes me as odd that while you have accused/pressured people to find out their position on certain matters but your position is not clear. In what circumstances would you lynch a lurker? Blatantly sheeps the NW vote, and keeps it there the entire game. And for what reason? Suspiciously targeting lurkers... OH WAIT, hypocrisy! Wasn't that exactly what MLuneth was doing? In addition, ML is picking on someone that hasn't defended themselves explicitly. Scum want to hit the easiest target, and someone who provided an "acceptable coherent defence" is just that. Look at this vote again. Notice how he asks ME a question. Why me? Why not, you know, the guy you are voting for and want to lynch? Town mentality = zero. The vote is a blatant sheep with little-to-no reason and is used as a catalyst (somehow) to ask me a question. The vote is more about me than it is about NW. Lynch this guy. ^ There's that "no defence" statement again. ML hasn't attempted (even badly) to scumhunt at all to find a better candidate than NW. @MLuneth Respond to this. Do things. Stop playing the noob card all game and perform. | ||
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I have wanted to lynch this mofo for the longest time too and I need the evidence to nail him. | ||
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 On March 12 2013 10:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright I can't say I'm 100% surprised, but either way he wasn't of much use to us. Lurked way too much, spent the time he was here just defending himself D1 and doing absolutely nothing D2. I think it's probably more interesting now to consider what the flip itself means. Who exactly has been pushing Taco for two days and KNEW he was town...? We might find our scum there. (Would also like to see a Matriarch flip because she should be modkilled for not voting.) Good point. That'll help D3 | ||
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