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On March 08 2013 04:14 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 03:14 TheRavensName wrote:
Guess its time for the joke vote to go.
##unvote
Now I guess its just a decision between M or NW at the moment... I find myself leaning a little towards NW given that hes actually posted suspicious stuff, where as our lurking friend still needs to give some stuff... Outside of those two, I dunno, Rainbow makes me uncomfortable even if he might be townie, I could actually see bussing mafia or SK also. OE seems pretty tow to me, and the rest need to contribute more before I can feel comfortable making a prediction. Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post? Cause I dunno what I am doing and its what all the cool kids are doing? And I talk about bussing cause I mea the only mafia I've really played is the SC2 one, its realy really common to bus on it. So I just kinda assumed its the same way here. I'm just dumb I guess?
As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit.
First thing
On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:14 TheRavensName wrote:
Guess its time for the joke vote to go.
##unvote
Now I guess its just a decision between M or NW at the moment... I find myself leaning a little towards NW given that hes actually posted suspicious stuff, where as our lurking friend still needs to give some stuff... Outside of those two, I dunno, Rainbow makes me uncomfortable even if he might be townie, I could actually see bussing mafia or SK also. OE seems pretty tow to me, and the rest need to contribute more before I can feel comfortable making a prediction. Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post?
To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time.
However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party.
The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then.
I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly.
This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb"  If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations.
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On March 08 2013 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 04:37 OmniEulogy wrote:On March 08 2013 04:14 TheRavensName wrote:On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 03:14 TheRavensName wrote:
Guess its time for the joke vote to go.
##unvote
Now I guess its just a decision between M or NW at the moment... I find myself leaning a little towards NW given that hes actually posted suspicious stuff, where as our lurking friend still needs to give some stuff... Outside of those two, I dunno, Rainbow makes me uncomfortable even if he might be townie, I could actually see bussing mafia or SK also. OE seems pretty tow to me, and the rest need to contribute more before I can feel comfortable making a prediction. Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post? Cause I dunno what I am doing and its what all the cool kids are doing? And I talk about bussing cause I mea the only mafia I've really played is the SC2 one, its realy really common to bus on it. So I just kinda assumed its the same way here. I'm just dumb I guess? As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit. First thing On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 08 2013 03:14 TheRavensName wrote:
Guess its time for the joke vote to go.
##unvote
Now I guess its just a decision between M or NW at the moment... I find myself leaning a little towards NW given that hes actually posted suspicious stuff, where as our lurking friend still needs to give some stuff... Outside of those two, I dunno, Rainbow makes me uncomfortable even if he might be townie, I could actually see bussing mafia or SK also. OE seems pretty tow to me, and the rest need to contribute more before I can feel comfortable making a prediction. Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post? To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time. However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party. The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then.
I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly.
This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations. Good advice in general, OE. I was thinking of getting to it myself but I figured lack of town activity right now means someone else should post.  Go easy on him for the victim card imo (you sort of did ); I know I had a lot of issues with that my first game when I was up against players who definitely were more experienced in that regard. But yeah Raven, OE's advice is sound and should all be stuff you consider when posting in the future. If you're town, the game is all about scumhunting as your primary goal. If you do that well you have no reason to be suspected. Just to mention Rainbows, I liked his shutting down of the bad game theory stuff early. OE since I'm responding to you already, I'm going to come at you a little. Have you been taking coaching from mocsta or something? Your filter is absolutely massive already and, while your early reads/comments are accurate, we REALLY don't need to hear your thought process on absolutely everything. Nor questions to absolutely everyone, it shits up the thread. If you want to focus someone or a few people, go ahead but when you spread yourself to thin and expect different things from everyone it becomes very difficult to follow a line of reasoning---something you don't want as a self-proclaimed transparent townie.
I actually stole a play straight out of Mocsta's book because I liked the reaction it got in one of my newbie games together with him (I think it was XXXIII) basically same thing happened, he was attacked for asking a bunch of different questions to different people. I agree with you partially about trying to chase after too many things at once, at the same time I don't want us to get too focused on NW and Luneth as it'll give scum an easy chance to sit back for a little bit if we are wrong about them. However I do still want to proceed with it and hear how they defend themselves.
@Raven no problem man, if you are indeed town my biggest worry would be if you got afraid to post your thoughts due to being attacked by them. Personally I don't think you should worry too much about Rainbows either. It's hard to get used to people who are so aggressive but try to see a town/scum agenda behind it. Although this doesn't always work I try to avoid WIFOM in the early stages of these newbie games. Would scum draw attention to himself and attack a ton of other people to see how they react to try and get a better read on them? That is the question I asked myself and although in some cases (and with very good scum) the answer can be yes, it is most likely not the case. So if you take that into consideration and realize you are working towards the same goal, it is much easier to work with that person to scum hunt rather than just feel put off by them.
mind you if I'm right only time will tell and if I'm wrong well fuck me then lol ALSO my filter is only massive because I had a full page and a bit before the game even started. been waiting for this to start for awhile x.x
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Sorry Frorgon, consider suspicious about Luneth voting for Arctic*. I was jumping around a bit too much while writing that post and left some things out =/
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On March 08 2013 07:09 Krafla wrote:
I'm going to make an observation here about nobodywonder. A lot of people seem to be calling him one of their two main scum reads at the moment, but looking at his filter he really hasn't said much, yes what he has said sounded pretty scummy but we're only really talking about two posts. I'd like to hear him defend himself.
This is what I am waiting for as well, unfortunately even while waiting the others who haven't given us their thoughts on the subject don't seem to be around either.
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On March 08 2013 07:17 Krafla wrote:
MeatlessTaco Yes I'm for lynching lurkers, although I'd rather lynch someone that's acting scummy but earlier I didn't think anyone had acted particularly scummy enough to warrant a vote, so I was seeing how things would play out.
I still really don't like the fact that we haven't heard a peep from Arctic and I even more don't like that bduddy has excused his inaction, I just hope he makes up on the promise that he's going to participate some more tomorrow. If you really can't participate much because of personal issues send a pm to the host and lets get a replacement in here that we can play the game with.
let's assume things stay the way they are and town is left in the dark with these three - Arctic, bduddy, and NW.
bduddy has already said he's going to lurk for personal reasons, what ever those may be. Technically if he's scum that would be a personal reason lol
NW we're waiting to hear back from about his original comments and Arctic hasn't posted once. I assume Luneth is away because his time zone is so drastically different from the rest of us and we will hear back from him so out of the other three how do we approach this?
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On March 08 2013 09:59 Rainbows wrote:
In regards to the Raven-SK thing. As town, we shouldn't even be worried about an SK at this stage. I never once even thought about bringing the subject up. The subtle mentioning of an SK leaves me super worried -- who would be interested in an SK at this stage? Someone who rolled it.
Might be a far cry but I'm forever paranoid (and alone) atm.
On March 08 2013 04:37 OmniEulogy wrote:
However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party.
I'm with you on that one, I'm just hoping we only see 1 death worst case scenario at the end of N1. Or that our Vig (if we have one) Bread crumbs himself really well. That's all I'm gonna say on that matter for now.
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just got on the computer, catching up from last night. I'll have my case done in an hour or two, trying to decide who I want to place my vote on
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My Case on Frorgon
On March 07 2013 22:29 Frorgon wrote:
Good morning all.
Glad to see things picking up a bit now.
As far as the discussion on "lurkers", I don't think it can be considered an applicable label for anyone as of yet, I mean there is still a lot of time left in day 1. But I will definitely be keeping my eye out over the next few hours.I also agree that I'd rather find a logical reason to lynch someone on day 1 instead of just randomly choosing someone. I'm not afraid to call people out but it seems quite scummy to just attack someone without any useful contribution behind it.
Also bduddy, you can claim you are lurking for personal reasons, but how are we to know this is true? You were warned before this game started that you should only commit if you had the proper amount of free time. A busy schedule is no excuse, so I do hope you contribute.
I believe now it is applicable to call you a lurker. I'm kind of confused as to why you think it is scummy to attack people to see their reactions and how they react under pressure. I've seen players vote on almost everybody in the game by the end of D1 who weren't scum but were fishing for information, I have yet to see scum play so ballsy.
You claim to not be afraid to call people out on things but when you tried you were almost afraid to commit and were very back and forth about it.
On March 08 2013 06:29 Frorgon wrote:
@OmniEulogy I'm wondering why you asked me about what I thought was suspicious behavior. I clearly explained that in my initial post about the matter. It made me a bit uneasy about whether or not you were trying to get redundant information posted to cloud up the thread. As Wave said, the amount of posts you had started to raise a red flag for me. And don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily the amount of posts you had that was bad, it was that you seemed to be drowning the thread for a while with just your thoughts and limited discussion from others. That being said, I feel better about your contributions in the past few pages since other people have shown up.
"The amount you talk to yourself while nobody is here raises a red flag, everything you've said while more than 1 person has been here has been awesome!" what? This to me seems like scum trying to pretend to contribute while at the same time not trying to make anybody upset. It wouldn't have made me look at it twice if you had been active and contributing but as we all know you've made 4 posts in nearly 48 hours. This is not acceptable for town. This is the behavior of scum.
On March 08 2013 19:15 Frorgon wrote:
Alright I'm back. In my opinion, bduddy is not making a good case for himself. That's 3 different excuses for being inactive right now due to his "busy life". I really don't care about how busy your life is.
Nobodywonder still looking real scummy. Unvotes bduddy after the terrible explanation provided. I'm thinking they could both be scum covering for each other. NW makes a case early on against bduddy without actually being serious about it so there are no reprocussions. Bduddy has his suspicion on people who in my opinion don't same overly scummy as of yet, and is defending NW.
Right now I'm narrowing down my vote between NW and bduddy and I plan to make an actual vote shortly after they respond, if they respond. There should still be a decent amount of time on the clock for D1 after my vote.
So many things wrong with your last post.
- Attacks the weakest player in the game NW, WITHOUT placing a vote. Just a casual "wow you are so scummy"
- Makes an association case between NW and Bduddy.
- Claims he will make his case and we will have plenty of time to analyze and go over it. Nice case he's made.
##Vote: Frogron
We need to step it up town. The only two players I can identify as even having a chance at being town are Krafla and Rainbows. If you are town and have been content to just stay quiet and not contribute, wake the fuck up. Nobody is getting replaced tonight, stop talking about it. Everybody has posted D1 the only way somebody is getting replaced is if they don't vote.
The following players are also on my list of potential scum
Arctic Daishi - Playing the noob card after lurking for 36~ hours, NOT a smart move. I want to see some serious contribution from you starting D2 and if I don't I will be pushing for your lynch. Hell if Frogron can save his ass before the end of D1 from me I'll go after you in the next 7 hours.
Bduddy - Lurking, scummy, if Frogron hadn't contributed less I'd be happy to see him gone today. BUT he does claim he's been busy so for D1 he gets some slack. Could just be an uninterested townie. Nothing to really disprove that so far.
ChewOnStu - almost as bad as Frogron, really bad sheep vote. scummy.
NobodyWonder I was going to vote on for most of today but realized if he is lynched and flips town we gain nothing, I'm not against seeing him lynched as I agree he's scummy as hell but I don't want to put all of our eggs in one basket.
And then there is also Matriarch who is lurking as well... the largest problem I can see here, IS THAT THERE IS NO WAY ALL OF YOU ARE SCUM. So TOWNIES again I ask Wake The Fuck Up. I am seriously getting annoyed by the lack of activity out of you. You will cost us this game if you don't snap out of it before we end up lynching you.
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I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him.
We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with
On March 07 2013 14:47 MeatlessTaco wrote:Nobody's only post is sheeping the experienced guy adding no new content of his own? Now you can lurk and say "I would have contributed if the game were more exciting?" That seems pretty anti-town to me. ##Vote: nobodywonder Now it's more exciting.
However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote.
Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are.
On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark?
I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who.
On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 17:08 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? Nope, I'm not going to vote yet, I want to make an educated decision of who to vote for instead of flinging dirt and seeing what sticks Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland.
Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched.
And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy.
On March 08 2013 10:35 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 03:08 ChewOnStu wrote:
Im finding nobodywonder scummy too for complaining about lurkers not contributing yet he's barely contributed anything himself.
##vote: nobodywonder
... Why are you bandwagoning on NW while your only contribution is couple of trite posts about your lurker policy?
On March 08 2013 14:06 MeatlessTaco wrote:
You are right. His behavior is unacceptable so far. You got anything to add Chew?
##Vote: ChewOnStu
His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there.
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Oh right it just struck me that I haven't said this yet but for the majority of D1 almost everything Raven has done has struck me as newb townie. He seems to be honestly trying but is just very inexperienced. I don't think scum would make half the mistakes he has been just because they can ask their coach and communicate with each other. Still going to continue watching him closely though as should everybody.
I also think NW's case was a good first step for him. He followed through on what we've been asking him for albeit it was that or he gets lynched.
@NobodyWonder What do you make of the other cases that have been brought forward? Who do you believe to be your top scum reads other than Chew?
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On March 09 2013 05:44 Frorgon wrote:
@OmniEulogy You're willing to give bduddy more slack than me because he provided some reasoning for lack of posts. I can do the same, and you can take it or leave it. Obviously I was the one who said that making excuses for lurking shouldn't help someone's cause, but you seem not to mind it. So I'll be completely honest, I've had a pretty bad stomach bug for the past 24 hours and have spent most of that time in bed. The whole time I was worried that people might start suspecting me for lurking so I tried to make a post when I could, but basically I slept all night, tried to go to work, had to come home because I had a fever, and slept until about an hour ago.
But again if you want to start coming after people you consider to be lurkers, at least go after the ones who are contributing the least.
This is fair enough, but when you say contributing the least, you are on the bottom of that list. Otherwise you wouldn't have been the subject of my case. I will say that Chew looks just as bad though now that you've at least posted.
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On March 09 2013 05:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
@Omni your cases so far have been solid, can you expand on your thoughts on MeatlessTaco? I agree he has been very aggressive in his posting though the only real scummy thing I've seen from him is the sheep vote onto Chew.
Also what are your thoughts regarding the rest of the lurkers today? There are quite a few of them (Matriarch, Daishi, Luneth probably the worst offenders) and it's going to be very difficult to determine what to do with them once the day is over.
Hmm not sure what else to say about Taco... well actually I'll go the other way, I think I've covered pretty much everything he's done that seems to go against town, but he was right when he said you have to suspect everybody in one of his first posts.
On March 08 2013 08:46 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
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MeatlessTaco: Aggressively enters the thread makes a couple early game cases and leaves. Who is your top scumread right now and why? (I refuse to believe it's NW just because you voted him)
... I wanted to pounce on Raven, his initial exuberance 10 min before game starts and then lurks for a long time like he's getting help from his scum mentor. Since then, he hasn't done enough to move my suspicion. There is no instant lynch. My vote means who I suspect right now.
I felt that this was a good post, generally people who have decent activity before a game starts and then disappear as soon as it starts deserve to be looked at more closely.
At the same time going back to odd actions from him we also have things like this
On March 08 2013 08:55 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 07:34 Krafla wrote:
What I wanted to add was it seemed like people only started to consider NW once MeatlessTaco went after him, and I was going to wonder out loud if MeatlessTaco ..
Everything starts somewhere. If my analysis was poor, argue that. Don't argue that I made an argument that caught on so that is bad. It's a good thing if an argument gets some traction. Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 07:34 Krafla wrote:
And now the same thing has happened again and Matriarch has posted throwing doubt on Meatless just before I hit send, ohwell, I'm going to leave it here!
Let's hear Krafla's and Matriarch's reasoning behind suspecting me. I understand NobodyWonder hasn't said a lot, neither have I or you. We do what we can with very limited information. Make a case, but don't point fingers at me without a case better than "he made an argument that someone else agreed with".
He didn't actually make a case... did he forget? It was a joke vote that stuck and other people attacked NW. There was no case from Taco.
On March 08 2013 08:58 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 08:53 nobodywonder wrote:
...I'd still say if I can't find concrete proof of scum, then I would just get rid of the scummiest lurker...
Isn't that kind of a high bar for day 1?
Isn't that the exact job town is trying to do?
On March 08 2013 14:56 MeatlessTaco wrote:
No vote: OmniEulogy, Krafla, TheRavensName, Arctic Daishi, bduddy, Matriarch, Frorgon, WaveofShadows
You all need to make a stand. Are you going to let marines kills our broodlings one by one? Vote and make a case.
Again from somebody who hasn't actually made a single case all game this seems really REALLY bad... looking through his filter and doing this again... I'm actually going to move Taco to my scum list.
##Unvote
##Vote: MeatlessTaco
I believe this case is Much stronger than my case on Frorgon and am changing my vote for that reason. What does everybody else make of this case on Taco?
In fact... I am going to push for Taco's Lynch, I expect anybody who wants to hit scum to jump on this train, The Wagon of Justice has arrived.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2013 04:49 OmniEulogy wrote:I'm also quite worried about Taco. His actions so far are a mixture of scum/town so I can't get a good read on him. We have his opening joke vote, which alone I have no problem with Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 14:47 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 14:06 WaveofShadow wrote:My GOD this thread is exciting.  On March 07 2013 14:17 nobodywonder wrote:
woo! ~ exciting game Nobody's only post is sheeping the experienced guy adding no new content of his own? Now you can lurk and say "I would have contributed if the game were more exciting?" That seems pretty anti-town to me. ##Vote: nobodywonder Now it's more exciting. However we do end up sticking on NW through pressure of other people so he never actually has to vote. He uses this as an excuse to pressure others to place votes on people when he himself never actually made a serious vote. Keep in mind how early in the game these posts are. Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? I feel that Krafla here was trying to apply pressure the Arctic who had yet said anything at all but Taco tries to pressure him to vote for somebody who hasn't said a single word so far? that's sketchy so early on in the game. Makes it seem like he doesn't care who is voting for who. Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 17:13 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:08 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 17:05 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 07 2013 17:01 Krafla wrote:On March 07 2013 15:49 MeatlessTaco wrote:
Matriarch / Krafla:
If I held a gun to you head noose around your neck and made you pick someone to lynch instead of yourself, who would it be?
Point taken, I guess I'd have to pick someone randomly, so probably someone that hasn't posted yet, Arctic Daishi?! Why are you afraid to take a position? Are you going to vote for Arctic Daishi or just write his name with a question mark? Nope, I'm not going to vote yet, I want to make an educated decision of who to vote for instead of flinging dirt and seeing what sticks Take a stand. Are you going to side with me trying to lynch someone acting suspicious or side with nobodywonder trying to lynch a lurker who can't defend themselves? This is TL Mafia which is serious stuff. You aren't allowed to be Switzerland. Again goes after Krafla early on, Why is Taco so obsessed with getting people to vote? The game isn't even through the first 24 hours. Town doesn't need to throw votes out so quickly, they need to think about their actions as Krafla is doing. This raises more questions about how much Taco actually cares who gets lynched. And then we have these back-to-back posts. Holy Shit Hypocrisy. Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 10:35 MeatlessTaco wrote:On March 08 2013 03:08 ChewOnStu wrote:
Im finding nobodywonder scummy too for complaining about lurkers not contributing yet he's barely contributed anything himself.
##vote: nobodywonder
... Why are you bandwagoning on NW while your only contribution is couple of trite posts about your lurker policy? Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 14:06 MeatlessTaco wrote:
You are right. His behavior is unacceptable so far. You got anything to add Chew?
##Vote: ChewOnStu His FIRST real vote is a complete sheep with nothing to add about why Chew is scum. Does he really care who gets lynched? This doesn't take away from the good points he's made and some of his questions have been really good... but the inconsistency is there.
^ My original look through his filter.
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On March 09 2013 06:19 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:15 Arctic Daishi wrote:On March 09 2013 06:10 Frorgon wrote:
@Arctic What about Omni's case is so "great"? The claim that I have contributed the least? Because I'm pretty sure you've contributed less than me. Seems pretty easy for you to just sit back and buddy up with people without at least explaining why you like their case so much. In this post: On March 08 2013 06:29 Frorgon wrote:
@OmniEulogy I'm wondering why you asked me about what I thought was suspicious behavior. I clearly explained that in my initial post about the matter. It made me a bit uneasy about whether or not you were trying to get redundant information posted to cloud up the thread. As Wave said, the amount of posts you had started to raise a red flag for me. And don't get me wrong, it's not necessarily the amount of posts you had that was bad, it was that you seemed to be drowning the thread for a while with just your thoughts and limited discussion from others. That being said, I feel better about your contributions in the past few pages since other people have shown up. You seemed rather hostile against Omni, who was very active in investigating people. Perhaps to stop his investigation? Terrible. This was early on in the thread before Frorgon was even under investigation. You've just overtaken everyone as the scummiest person in this thread. No opinions, sheep vote, attempting to prove yourself useful only when under pressure. Fuck this, after re-reading Omni's 'amazing' case I see some holes in it that I'm going to expose eventually. First I'm going to see if Frorgon can dig himself out of this little hole before I do it. ##Unvote
##Vote: Arctic Daishi
It's actually interesting because I believe my case on Frorgon isn't very strong due to his low post count I didn't have much to work with however it DOES look scummy due to how lurky he is. I mean shit that's the entire problem town is facing right now, Half of us are lurking and letting scum blend in But you asking me to look at Taco more closely really made me find some interesting points. I didn't even go into it to try and prove him to be scum, let me know what you think of it I believe we've still got 4 hours till lynch.
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On March 09 2013 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Uh....ignore that emoticon?
EBWOP: (Read: remove)
Hahahahaha I needed that though A good laugh while frantically trying to sort this shit out is good for me I think some things are clear as mud so if you need any more explanation just lemme know.
As far as the other lurkers go I'd love to get them to chime in on the last 2-3~ pages. Matriarch has made some really good points but hasn't said a lot in general about the game or the upcoming lynch so it's hard to get a read on her.
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On March 09 2013 06:31 nobodywonder wrote:
I'm honestly really confused OE. Can you clarify whether or not Frogron still one of your scum reads?
He is still a scum read, just not my top one. I'm not going to vote for a lesser scum read when somebody else has painted themselves RED in a much brighter color if that makes any more sense lol
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On March 09 2013 06:33 nobodywonder wrote:oops OE i misread your post as + Show Spoiler +I didn't even go into it to try and prove him to be scum, let me know what you think of it I believe we've still got 4 hours till lynch. i thought you referred to Frogron as he. It was Taco, my bad
no problem, I've been known to be terrible at explaining myself and I'm sure I've posted some awkward things such as that in this game as well Just let me know if I screw up anything else so badly that it stops making sense to you. lol
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On March 09 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well here's a problem I see. I don't want NW lynched today but since all of the lurkers have piled on top of him, he's currently going to die in 3.5 hours. Since they're lurkers we can't necessarily expect them to come back and change their votes. We're going to have to consolidate our votes to ONE other person to make sure that if there are more scum among the active posters than lurkers, they can't come back and hammer the vote in on NW.
I'm not sold on Taco yet, and I would like to lynch Daishi as of now, though I might consider Chew. Thoughts, active (hopefully) townies?
The only problem I have with an Arctic lynch today is that there is almost nothing that separates him from bduddy, Chew and Frorgon. Where I see Taco as being very clearly the only person who has put themselves in a very compromising situation and just looks like scum trying to pretend to stay active. What is Arctic is just another bad townie? There's nothing to prove that he is really scum vs bad townie. Where with Taco I can very clearly see a scum read. Thats why I've also switched my vote from Frorgon, very much the same situation. When all the lurkers seem scummy a miss-lynch is much more likely vs a semi-active scum read.
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EBWOP: What if* arctic is just another bad townie
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On March 09 2013 06:43 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well here's a problem I see. I don't want NW lynched today but since all of the lurkers have piled on top of him, he's currently going to die in 3.5 hours. Since they're lurkers we can't necessarily expect them to come back and change their votes. We're going to have to consolidate our votes to ONE other person to make sure that if there are more scum among the active posters than lurkers, they can't come back and hammer the vote in on NW.
I'm not sold on Taco yet, and I would like to lynch Daishi as of now, though I might consider Chew. Thoughts, active (hopefully) townies? I agree that Daishi is a pretty vibrant target. I was going to favor Chew over him until his more recent attempts to return to reactivity, given hes just jumping on a bandwaggon and not making an explination for himself before vanishing again.... However, I don't want to see NW lynched anymore either, and given that chew is much closer to lynching, I'm tempted to leave my vote on him untill we get a majority set on daishi. I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways.... Side note about Arctic, I do love that he is the last person on the vote for every vote hes ever casted, and peels off as soon as another band wagon seems good enough.
Could you look over my case on Taco and see what you think I want to nail this S.O.B over NW or Arctic if we can but I'm going to need the majority of us to consolidate in order to do that. I believe you have it right here "I'm going to say Daishi in particular over someone like Luneth or Frorgon, I don't think theres enough to go after either of them and be sure anyways...."
But is Arctic really that much of a larger scum read? I'd wager no. They all seem scummy but the lurkers CAN'T all be scum.
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On March 09 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2013 06:45 nobodywonder wrote:
I'd like Chew, Matriarch, MLuneth, Krafla to respond. They haven't said anything since their votes. Otherwise town gets no info from my lynch.
I second Omni's post about Arctic. I have to say you won't get any information from an Arctic lynch. On this basis, Frogron, you should change your vote on bduddy. for all your talk about contributions and your contributions in comparison to other posters such as bduddy and Arctic, you really need to make a stand
I agree with your second point, not your first. We're not lynching for information, we're lynching to eliminate scum. If we hit scum D1 then we're that much closer to winning.
Raven did make a really good observation, and I optimistically really hope we're just arguing over which scum to lynch but as I said before I really doubt it's going to be that easy. The issue is that if we lynch Arctic and he flips town we've wasted D1. Because the information we get from lynching a town Arctic is absolutely nothing. In that sense NW is right.
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