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Fair enough Rainbows.
NW, I'm not sure what I want from you at this point. Like...I'm trying to find something that DOESN'T make you scummy at this point but I can't find it.
You call out Raven on his 'just being dumb' as scummy play, which is fine, and makes sense (though I don't agree), but then you associate OE to him which doesn't make any sense at all to me, especially since I stated earlier I was going to tell him the exact same things. This being a newbie game there are going to be some newbie attitudes and as far as I'm concerned (and apparently OE agreed,) the appropriate thing to do here is give a friendly warning here. Call it a 'pay it forward' as the same thing was done for me (see NMM 37 if you want to look into my meta).
You didn't bother looking at this point that I made (not so hard to read the whole thread since it's only like 8 pages) and immediately make a weak association case.
You're diggin' yourself a mighty deep hole derr.....
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In regards to the Raven-SK thing. As town, we shouldn't even be worried about an SK at this stage. I never once even thought about bringing the subject up. The subtle mentioning of an SK leaves me super worried -- who would be interested in an SK at this stage? Someone who rolled it.
Might be a far cry but I'm forever paranoid (and alone) atm.
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On March 08 2013 09:59 Rainbows wrote:
In regards to the Raven-SK thing. As town, we shouldn't even be worried about an SK at this stage. I never once even thought about bringing the subject up. The subtle mentioning of an SK leaves me super worried -- who would be interested in an SK at this stage? Someone who rolled it.
Might be a far cry but I'm forever paranoid (and alone) atm.
On March 08 2013 04:37 OmniEulogy wrote:
However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party.
I'm with you on that one, I'm just hoping we only see 1 death worst case scenario at the end of N1. Or that our Vig (if we have one) Bread crumbs himself really well. That's all I'm gonna say on that matter for now.
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Vig should consider saving his shot unless he is on the mafia hit-list imo. Or just snipe a lurker.
Anywho, I want ML in here. Talk to me, my child.
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On March 08 2013 09:59 Rainbows wrote:
In regards to the Raven-SK thing. As town, we shouldn't even be worried about an SK at this stage. I never once even thought about bringing the subject up. The subtle mentioning of an SK leaves me super worried -- who would be interested in an SK at this stage? Someone who rolled it.
Might be a far cry but I'm forever paranoid (and alone) atm.
Not subtle mention at all, really. I know I have to stop making excuses for people here, but that's definitely a bad town thing too. Ok, no more free passes from me, fellow newbies. You make a bad call from here on out, no mercy.
Raven let's get something productive from you.
Day is winding down, bduddy still hasn't posted and the votes are split fairly even between him and NW. What DO you DO?
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On March 08 2013 08:46 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
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MeatlessTaco: Aggressively enters the thread makes a couple early game cases and leaves. Who is your top scumread right now and why? (I refuse to believe it's NW just because you voted him)
... I wanted to pounce on Raven, his initial exuberance 10 min before game starts and then lurks for a long time like he's getting help from his scum mentor. Since then, he hasn't done enough to move my suspicion. There is no instant lynch. My vote means who I suspect right now.
What exactly did I do before the game started? We didn't even have roles then 
And in response to Rainbows, Like I said before I've only played the SC2 Real Time version, and every role that is in the setup shows up... I apparently missed the thing that says its not always there... not sure how sense its been in bright blue. My apologies. I will admit to still being scared of WIFOM.
Now NW, your getting a lot of flack for wanting to basically focus on inactives instead of building your case against your scummy active, how come you don't spend more time filling that out? Could certainly help sense no one seems to really be pointing the finger at Krafla very serriously right now and you seem pretty sure of them enough to openly reveal your willing to change off of the lurker (Kinda ruines the insentive to not lurk doesn't it?) for K immediatly after he shows up.
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On March 08 2013 10:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 09:59 Rainbows wrote:
In regards to the Raven-SK thing. As town, we shouldn't even be worried about an SK at this stage. I never once even thought about bringing the subject up. The subtle mentioning of an SK leaves me super worried -- who would be interested in an SK at this stage? Someone who rolled it.
Might be a far cry but I'm forever paranoid (and alone) atm. Not subtle mention at all, really. I know I have to stop making excuses for people here, but that's definitely a bad town thing too. Ok, no more free passes from me, fellow newbies. You make a bad call from here on out, no mercy. Raven let's get something productive from you. Day is winding down, bduddy still hasn't posted and the votes are split fairly even between him and NW. What DO you DO?
Peronally, I'd rather focus on NW or L sense hes been thrown around a bit, I didn't mention him in the above post sense I figured as an Australian he wouldn't see it for some time and I'd wait till he shows up. No reason to lynch bduddy if we got a replacement already that could come in instead.
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On March 08 2013 09:28 nobodywonder wrote:@WoS. you're fine. although I want Krafla to explain himself still @OE.. hmmmm his posts are really long and windy, just check his filter. just like krafla, his posts are either useless or just too long, may indicate somewhat scummy + Show Spoiler +Alright.. not much to work with and if anybody has any counter-questions for me please ask. Even if you think it's a dumb question, it's best to get them out of the way. I'd like to try and get some discussion going so.. @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla + Show Spoiler + Although you believe we may be giving some lurkers too easy of a time how do you feel about Luneth's vote on Arctic vs the other lurkers? Do you think it was too early to cast a serious vote on someone who has not been present or was it a justified action in your eyes? @ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1. @WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it? @Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process? @Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody? @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious? @NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker? @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. @Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors? If I missed anybody sorry =/ however one of the most interesting thing is where he chastises Raven + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2013 04:14 TheRavensName wrote:
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Cause I dunno what I am doing and its what all the cool kids are doing? And I talk about bussing cause I mea the only mafia I've really played is the SC2 one, its realy really common to bus on it. So I just kinda assumed its the same way here. I'm just dumb I guess?
As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit.
First thing
On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post?
To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time.
However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party.
The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then.
I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly.
This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations. why would he even defend Raven? Raven has played like a noob or somewhat scummy (see: "I guess I'm just dumb"), why wouldn't OE try to pressure Raven. As I see it, OE and Raven have the same allegiance and confirm each other's role. therefore possibly both mafia or chobolings.
Sorry for the huge quote, but I'd really like nobodywonder to remake his case more clearly here. After the feedback, are you having doubts or do you still see something in OE or Raven?
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Two things, then I'm off for a bit.
First, PLEASE stop calling him L, it's really messing with my head.
Second, I agree with you in that I'd like to hear something from Luneth regarding his lurker vote and absence thus far. We only have 24h left until someone dies and this certainly isn't the most active game I've been in by a long stretch. (Though maybe that's because Mocsta is usually in them.)
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I'm quite embarassed to say I do it because I forget his name everytime as I'm writing
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On March 08 2013 10:11 TheRavensName wrote:... What exactly did I do before the game started? We didn't even have roles then ...
You were very excited to start the game, letting us know T-10 min to game start. Then the game started, but you didn't post at all for awhile. One could make the case you saw your role and didn't want to start digging holes so you gameplanned or asked a mentor before proceeding.
If I thought you were more scummy than NW after you returned I would have changed my vote. It remains on NW.
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Vote Count
Krafla (0): WaveofShadow, TheRavensName
MLuneth (0): Rainbows
nobodywonder (3): MeatlessTaco, ChewOnStu, Rainbows
bduddy (1): nobodywonder
Arctic Daishi (1): MLuneth
No vote: OmniEulogy, Krafla, TheRavensName, Arctic Daishi, bduddy, Matriarch, Frorgon, WaveofShadows
nobodywonder is currently set to be lynched. ~23.5 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory
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On March 08 2013 10:26 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 10:11 TheRavensName wrote:... What exactly did I do before the game started? We didn't even have roles then ... You were very excited to start the game, letting us know T-10 min to game start. Then the game started, but you didn't post at all for awhile. One could make the case you saw your role and didn't want to start digging holes so you gameplanned or asked a mentor before proceeding. If I thought you were more scummy than NW after you returned I would have changed my vote. It remains on NW.
Wasn't sure how to start out other then the awkward hellos and so forth. Call me Coy if you must.
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On March 08 2013 10:30 TheRavensName wrote:
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Wasn't sure how to start out other then the awkward hellos and so forth. Call me Coy if you must.
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You were too coy even for a simple hello or friendly banter?
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On March 08 2013 10:32 MeatlessTaco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 10:30 TheRavensName wrote:
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Wasn't sure how to start out other then the awkward hellos and so forth. Call me Coy if you must.
... You were too coy even for a simple hello or friendly banter?
Will you be diappointed if I say yep?
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On March 08 2013 03:08 ChewOnStu wrote:
Im finding nobodywonder scummy too for complaining about lurkers not contributing yet he's barely contributed anything himself.
##vote: nobodywonder
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Why are you bandwagoning on NW while your only contribution is couple of trite posts about your lurker policy?
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Struck out votes are votes that have been unvoted (something like a paper trail). If me or my cohosts bother with them, anyway.
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Good morning all (well morning for me)
I will be able to answer questions in 2-3 hours.
I will also explain my stance on NW/Daishi when I get back.
ty for your patience
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just to make sure I don't for some reason forget, I think I will throw a vote Nw untill he posts a little bit more seeing as how he says basically anything ,[bNobodywonder][/b]
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EBWOP
##Vote Nobodywnder
That being said, this was originally going to be for MLuneth until he posted saying he would be answering questions, so I will be eyeing it quite eagerly.
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