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On March 08 2013 07:09 Krafla wrote:
I'm going to make an observation here about nobodywonder. A lot of people seem to be calling him one of their two main scum reads at the moment, but looking at his filter he really hasn't said much, yes what he has said sounded pretty scummy but we're only really talking about two posts. I'd like to hear him defend himself.
On March 08 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Want to hear more from:
MeatlessTaco: Aggressively enters the thread makes a couple early game cases and leaves. Who is your top scumread right now and why? (I refuse to believe it's NW just because you voted him)
Nobodywonder: Useless early pressure of lurkers and talks about how he doesn't want to lynch D1. Inherently looks extremely scummy, but it's still early so I'll give him a chance to defend himself. What's up, NW?
Matriarch: Two posts, though calls out people for random voting which is ok I guess. It's been a little while now, what are your updated reads? Do you still think Meatless is scum?
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MeatlessTaco Yes I'm for lynching lurkers, although I'd rather lynch someone that's acting scummy but earlier I didn't think anyone had acted particularly scummy enough to warrant a vote, so I was seeing how things would play out.
I still really don't like the fact that we haven't heard a peep from Arctic and I even more don't like that bduddy has excused his inaction, I just hope he makes up on the promise that he's going to participate some more tomorrow. If you really can't participate much because of personal issues send a pm to the host and lets get a replacement in here that we can play the game with.
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On March 08 2013 07:09 Krafla wrote:
I'm going to make an observation here about nobodywonder. A lot of people seem to be calling him one of their two main scum reads at the moment, but looking at his filter he really hasn't said much, yes what he has said sounded pretty scummy but we're only really talking about two posts. I'd like to hear him defend himself.
This is what I am waiting for as well, unfortunately even while waiting the others who haven't given us their thoughts on the subject don't seem to be around either.
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On March 08 2013 07:17 Krafla wrote:
MeatlessTaco Yes I'm for lynching lurkers, although I'd rather lynch someone that's acting scummy but earlier I didn't think anyone had acted particularly scummy enough to warrant a vote, so I was seeing how things would play out.
I still really don't like the fact that we haven't heard a peep from Arctic and I even more don't like that bduddy has excused his inaction, I just hope he makes up on the promise that he's going to participate some more tomorrow. If you really can't participate much because of personal issues send a pm to the host and lets get a replacement in here that we can play the game with.
let's assume things stay the way they are and town is left in the dark with these three - Arctic, bduddy, and NW.
bduddy has already said he's going to lurk for personal reasons, what ever those may be. Technically if he's scum that would be a personal reason lol
NW we're waiting to hear back from about his original comments and Arctic hasn't posted once. I assume Luneth is away because his time zone is so drastically different from the rest of us and we will hear back from him so out of the other three how do we approach this?
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Goodness, the day has gotten away from me!
@ Krafla- My scummy read on Meatless is holding; Mainly because there hasn't been much opportunity for that to chance. He sort of fell off the map after his initial flurry of activity last night.
I was also asked my opinion on the "lynch all liars" policy. I think it is a fair policy. As town there should be NO reason to lie to each other. Lying means you have something to hide and hiding things usually turns out badly.
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Yeah sorry WaveofShadow, I'd started writing that before your post appeared so I cut it short and hit post.
What I wanted to add was it seemed like people only started to consider NW once MeatlessTaco went after him, and I was going to wonder out loud if MeatlessTaco knew more than he was letting on, but then reading your post and pointing out that he was just being aggressive I decided I might as well give him the benefit of the doubt.
And now the same thing has happened again and Matriarch has posted throwing doubt on Meatless just before I hit send, ohwell, I'm going to leave it here!
On March 08 2013 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 07:09 Krafla wrote:
I'm going to make an observation here about nobodywonder. A lot of people seem to be calling him one of their two main scum reads at the moment, but looking at his filter he really hasn't said much, yes what he has said sounded pretty scummy but we're only really talking about two posts. I'd like to hear him defend himself. Show nested quote +On March 08 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Want to hear more from:
MeatlessTaco: Aggressively enters the thread makes a couple early game cases and leaves. Who is your top scumread right now and why? (I refuse to believe it's NW just because you voted him)
Nobodywonder: Useless early pressure of lurkers and talks about how he doesn't want to lynch D1. Inherently looks extremely scummy, but it's still early so I'll give him a chance to defend himself. What's up, NW?
Matriarch: Two posts, though calls out people for random voting which is ok I guess. It's been a little while now, what are your updated reads? Do you still think Meatless is scum?
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That's mafia for you. 
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Or the fact that a few of us are starting to draw the same conclusions might mean we're onto something!
On March 08 2013 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote:That's mafia for you.
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On March 08 2013 07:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
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MeatlessTaco: Aggressively enters the thread makes a couple early game cases and leaves. Who is your top scumread right now and why? (I refuse to believe it's NW just because you voted him)
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I wanted to pounce on Raven, his initial exuberance 10 min before game starts and then lurks for a long time like he's getting help from his scum mentor. Since then, he hasn't done enough to move my suspicion.
There is no instant lynch. My vote means who I suspect right now.
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i still want more contributions from lurkers, (come on Arctic, at least say hi.) usually 1 scum hides amongst the inactives/lurkers.
@OmniEulogy, as for the lynching, I'd still say if I can't find concrete proof of scum, then I would just get rid of the scummiest lurker, still in this case bduddy. personal issues, i dont buy it completely. regardless, he should give some takes
@Chew thats what I'm contributing. telling the lurkers to speak up and contribute
disregarding lurkers, i'd say the most suspicious active is Krafla
he hasn't really contributed. all he says is to reserve judgment and not vote, but his gut says a no-lynch would be a bad thing.
i'd say that's a contradiction and that he should really be actively pursuing leads. most of his statements have been rather wishy-washy
And his observation that reserved judgment about me was right after WoS's statement that reserved judgment for me. and also his post about Taco, which was also right after Matriarch. I dont think this is coincidence
These actions can be summarized by attitudes such as 1. indecision 2. not wanting to point fingers 3. avoiding responsibility.
he takes no definite positions that would risk his flexibility and result in self-contradictions.
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On March 08 2013 07:34 Krafla wrote:
What I wanted to add was it seemed like people only started to consider NW once MeatlessTaco went after him, and I was going to wonder out loud if MeatlessTaco ..
Everything starts somewhere. If my analysis was poor, argue that. Don't argue that I made an argument that caught on so that is bad. It's a good thing if an argument gets some traction.
On March 08 2013 07:34 Krafla wrote:
And now the same thing has happened again and Matriarch has posted throwing doubt on Meatless just before I hit send, ohwell, I'm going to leave it here!
Let's hear Krafla's and Matriarch's reasoning behind suspecting me. I understand NobodyWonder hasn't said a lot, neither have I or you. We do what we can with very limited information. Make a case, but don't point fingers at me without a case better than "he made an argument that someone else agreed with".
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On March 08 2013 08:53 nobodywonder wrote:
...I'd still say if I can't find concrete proof of scum, then I would just get rid of the scummiest lurker...
Isn't that kind of a high bar for day 1?
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On March 08 2013 08:53 nobodywonder wrote:
disregarding lurkers, i'd say the most suspicious active is Krafla
Are you going to vote for Krafla or keep it on BDuddy?
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@Taco Yeah, bad choice of words. We should try to get the best proof possible however.
@Krafla I'd really like to see why you suspect Taco. Give reasons, don't just second someone. You're looking scummy in my eyes.
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I'd really like contributions form bduddy still, my vote is on him and so I'll give him some time to respond.
Definitely will switch to Krafla after bduddy's reaction.
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On March 08 2013 09:06 nobodywonder wrote:
I'd really like contributions form bduddy still, my vote is on him and so I'll give him some time to respond.
Definitely will switch to Krafla after bduddy's reaction.
This is such a useless attitude.
Why the hell should bduddy care if he has over 24h left to post a couple thing just to be taken off the 'lurker list?'
He knows that you're just going to change it as soon as he does anyway, so that's not exactly much pressure is it? Not to mention if there are any other scum and bduddy does happen to be town they all know they're safe because you've broadcasted your lurker vote patterns for all to see.
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On March 08 2013 08:53 nobodywonder wrote:
i still want more contributions from lurkers, (come on Arctic, at least say hi.) usually 1 scum hides amongst the inactives/lurkers.
@OmniEulogy, as for the lynching, I'd still say if I can't find concrete proof of scum, then I would just get rid of the scummiest lurker, still in this case bduddy. personal issues, i dont buy it completely. regardless, he should give some takes
@Chew thats what I'm contributing. telling the lurkers to speak up and contribute
disregarding lurkers, i'd say the most suspicious active is Krafla
he hasn't really contributed. all he says is to reserve judgment and not vote, but his gut says a no-lynch would be a bad thing.
i'd say that's a contradiction and that he should really be actively pursuing leads. most of his statements have been rather wishy-washy
And his observation that reserved judgment about me was right after WoS's statement that reserved judgment for me. and also his post about Taco, which was also right after Matriarch. I dont think this is coincidence
These actions can be summarized by attitudes such as 1. indecision 2. not wanting to point fingers 3. avoiding responsibility.
he takes no definite positions that would risk his flexibility and result in self-contradictions.
Krafla explained himself pretty decently I think. I dunno right now you are by far the scummiest looking person to me.
Telling lurkers to post is not a contribution as I explained earlier. What is your read on me or OE?
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@WoS. you're fine. although I want Krafla to explain himself still
@OE.. hmmmm his posts are really long and windy, just check his filter. just like krafla, his posts are either useless or just too long, may indicate somewhat scummy
+ Show Spoiler +Alright.. not much to work with and if anybody has any counter-questions for me please ask. Even if you think it's a dumb question, it's best to get them out of the way. I'd like to try and get some discussion going so.. @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla + Show Spoiler + Although you believe we may be giving some lurkers too easy of a time how do you feel about Luneth's vote on Arctic vs the other lurkers? Do you think it was too early to cast a serious vote on someone who has not been present or was it a justified action in your eyes? @ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1. @WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it? @Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process? @Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody? @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious? @NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker? @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. @Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors? If I missed anybody sorry =/
however one of the most interesting thing is where he chastises Raven
+ Show Spoiler +On March 08 2013 04:14 TheRavensName wrote:
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Cause I dunno what I am doing and its what all the cool kids are doing? And I talk about bussing cause I mea the only mafia I've really played is the SC2 one, its realy really common to bus on it. So I just kinda assumed its the same way here. I'm just dumb I guess?
As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit.
First thing
On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post?
To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time.
However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party.
The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then.
I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly.
This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations.
why would he even defend Raven? Raven has played like a noob or somewhat scummy (see: "I guess I'm just dumb"), why wouldn't OE try to pressure Raven. As I see it, OE and Raven have the same allegiance and confirm each other's role. therefore possibly both mafia or chobolings.
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NW is most certainly scum. He has been only pressuring one guy, someone who has openly stated he would be lurking. This is the easiest cop-out for scum to make --- focus on one guy that hasn't posted anything. He is probably the easiest target to attack.
NW's entire gameplan has revolved around trying to get Dbuddy to post. Town would actually try to address the situations at hand rather than go "Hey, you, over there, post something! But I'll switch my vote once you do!"
Seriously. You Mafia.
##Unvote
##Vote: nobodywonder
Now onto other business. Wave, don't try to buddy me. I'll hunt scum, but not holding your hand or anything. I like you so far, but a voice of reason tells me not to trust anyone. At all.
Raven.
On March 08 2013 03:14 TheRavensName wrote:
Guess its time for the joke vote to go.
##unvote
Now I guess its just a decision between M or NW at the moment... I find myself leaning a little towards NW given that hes actually posted suspicious stuff, where as our lurking friend still needs to give some stuff... Outside of those two, I dunno, Rainbow makes me uncomfortable even if he might be townie, I could actually see bussing mafia or SK also. OE seems pretty tow to me, and the rest need to contribute more before I can feel comfortable making a prediction.
That read is PAINFULLY waffly. Like butter and syrup all over that shit. Especially the SK thing. Your mentioning of an SK makes me think you're the SK. ooooooooooooooooooo
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On March 08 2013 09:28 nobodywonder wrote:@WoS. you're fine. although I want Krafla to explain himself still @OE.. hmmmm his posts are really long and windy, just check his filter. just like krafla, his posts are either useless or just too long, may indicate somewhat scummy + Show Spoiler +Alright.. not much to work with and if anybody has any counter-questions for me please ask. Even if you think it's a dumb question, it's best to get them out of the way. I'd like to try and get some discussion going so.. @MLuneth Could you expand on why you chose Arctic to vote on when there were others (bduddy, ChewOnStu) without any content as well. Other than it just being a coin flip. @Krafla + Show Spoiler + Although you believe we may be giving some lurkers too easy of a time how do you feel about Luneth's vote on Arctic vs the other lurkers? Do you think it was too early to cast a serious vote on someone who has not been present or was it a justified action in your eyes? @ChewOnStu Welcome to the game On the subject of lurkers, how do you feel we should deal with them if not for voting on them/lynching them when they become a problem? Every vote is meant to lynch so without that pressure how do we force bad town/scum to participate? I do agree that it is too early to assume anybody is lurking and not just busy but it is important to be able to react quickly, especially on D1. @WoS you mentioned strategies town should implement, or rather asked about them. I was hoping you could expand on your own thoughts on the matter. Do you have anything to say about my opening post or anything to add to it? @Matriarch How do you feel about the Lynch All Liars policy. Should town attempt to coax out scum by lying and possibly confusing the rest of us / hurting town in the process? @Raven same question as above, how do you feel about Lynching all Liars. As Scum has to lie to survive do you think this would add pressure and eventually lead to a correct lynch if we caught somebody? @Rainbows You mention Luneth being scummy, what do you think about his vote on Arctic? As Arctic has yet to show up, do you think it is more town oriented (trying to get a lurker to post) or scummy (attacking the easiest player early on in hopes that Arctic doesn't defend himself). @Frorgon You mention suspicious behavior being one of the key things you will be looking for, is there anything you could note so far that you would consider suspicious? @NobodyWonder You say you don't want to lynch anybody D1 if it is unjustified, could you expand and does that mean if we have no concrete proof of scum you will vote to no-lynch or would you get rid of the scummiest lurker? @Arctic Can give us your thoughts on what has happened so far and answer most of the questions I have asked to the others. @Taco Could you give your thoughts on Luneth voting for Arctic, which alignment do you believe it favors? If I missed anybody sorry =/ however one of the most interesting thing is where he chastises Raven + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2013 04:14 TheRavensName wrote:
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Cause I dunno what I am doing and its what all the cool kids are doing? And I talk about bussing cause I mea the only mafia I've really played is the SC2 one, its realy really common to bus on it. So I just kinda assumed its the same way here. I'm just dumb I guess?
As there has been no case against you and I see no reason to suspect you of being scummy at this point in time I'm going to step in and defend you / chastise you a little bit.
First thing
On March 08 2013 03:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
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Why do you have to make a decision now? Why are you talking about bussing? Why are you making a useless list post?
To be fair Raven didn't say we had to make a decision now, he said the decision at the moment is between Luneth and NW which was correct. WoS if you truely like what Rainbow has been saying without giving any specifics I assume you also meant you wanted to focus on one thing at a time.
However Raven there are a few things I have a problem with in this post. One is the mention of an SK, keep that thought out of mind until the end of N1, it is not a certain thing that there is an SK, in all 3 of my previous newbie games there hasn't been one so it's best to leave that alone until there is proof of a 3rd party.
The second thing is the mention of bussing so early into D1 while some people have still barely said anything. I don't believe it makes sense for mafia to try and bus each other this early. We can start to look at it closer to the deadline / after the flip and try to come to any conclusions then.
I also personally just dislike it when people try to play the victim card. You have voiced some decent opinions about how we should go about the game and if you follow it up with some good scum hunting and cases it'll ease my suspicion of you greatly.
This is more like some friendly advice to you if you are town to help prove it and keep yourself away from the lynch mob. And just be aware that when people pressure you, you should think about a better defense than "I guess I'm just dumb" If it keeps up, it'll look pretty scummy without any real explanations. why would he even defend Raven? Raven has played like a noob or somewhat scummy (see: "I guess I'm just dumb"), why wouldn't OE try to pressure Raven. As I see it, OE and Raven have the same allegiance and confirm each other's role. therefore possibly both mafia or chobolings.
Yeah let's give mafia an idea to hit possible masons.
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