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Hey Prom, you afraid of rolling scum? | ||
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On February 21 2013 02:09 Oatsmaster wrote: Actually, EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THE OP. + Show Spoiler + No one reads the OP  In LIX I sent some dude the night actions who wasn't even co-hosting despite being in the OP. He found it quite funny. | ||
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Holy shit I never thought I could use that word. | ||
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Can't you just neuralyze Oats and let him jump in? | ||
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His levels of scumminess reached beyond this game. | ||
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I'm town. ##Vote Toadesstern | ||
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I'm going to sue you bitch. All content posted by users, including any opinions, advice or recommendations expressed, are those of the users providing such content (..) ##Vote MilkSuckler | ||
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Hi Palmar. | ||
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It's actually Bugs. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:17 Wade Fell wrote: I really wish something JJ had said was scummy, so I could run on lynching him, but instead he's just a terrible human being. Someday archaeological teams will find a server hard drive with his posts and find us cruel, unthinking savages with ammonia in our brains and violence in our hearts. Ammonium carbonate, it's in cookies, it eat lots of cookies. I'm also savage. | ||
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Mayor is basically nerfed. VE, you here? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:25 Aquanim wrote: For the record, there is a voting thread. No-one but Toad appears to have noticed. Wrong, you did. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote: My new platform is killing Layabout Read his posts hes scum Iamp? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:27 geript wrote: Being an unknown is likely to have some minor advantages, for example seeing if I can be manipulated and utilized instead of having to waste a night action on killing me. My posting style and case formulation is different than most which will likely make me a case target more than not. Dude you're a newbie, no one is going to elect you. It's the sad truth and it also applies to me. Look how Toad speaks of my post like of a "nobody's" post. The Toad King of McDonald's Krautburgers only sees us as shit Any candidates you like so far besides yourself? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote: Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:39 jcarlsoniv wrote: Let's lynch him because he's right? It's D1, more like than not people are going to have town reads that are dead wrong. So when wade says "can't just go voting townreads", he's correct. It's pretty easy for scum to appear town in D1 - nothing's happened yet. It's VERY easy for people to accidentally throw a few votes on a scum member they think is town, and BOOM mafia has a pardon. Terrible fucking idea. And wade's further concerns are also easy to understand (concerning the lynch candidate being tossed to 2nd place and then getting killed to get rid of the pardoner). It's extremely easy and common for last minute panic switches to occur. Hell, it was a leading detriment to Themed Mafia just a few days ago, and it's often as not lead by town as it is by scum. You put a lot of emphasis into this post. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote: I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? WF JJ? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: ... I'll try to be more mundane next time. Why don't you say something that actually means anything next time. Wanna fight, huh? Do you even lift? | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + I fucking love hats. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:50 MilkSuckler wrote: Im still waiting for something meaningful from you. Who do you prefer: Prome and his RNG or Geript and his newbie mayor campaign I prefer myself. That's meaningful enough for the rest of the game. Bow before your king. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:58 geript wrote: @Vivax why do you prefer to give meaningless answers? Almost everyone would prefer themselves as mayor. You seem to have an underlying agenda in you posts. Your tone is indicative of that in the least. Why not just out with it? Why didn't you answer my question yet? | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:05 geript wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 09:27 geript wrote: Being an unknown is likely to have some minor advantages, for example seeing if I can be manipulated and utilized instead of having to waste a night action on killing me. My posting style and case formulation is different than most which will likely make me a case target more than not. That answer or this one? + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? As of now I would also consider VE for mayor. So you went from no one to VE with these posts from him in between. On February 26 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay that was silly of me anyway. ##Unvote ##Vote Wade Fell *grumblegrumble* On February 26 2013 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Vivax what do you want? You called me here, and then didn't react to my campaign. WHY HAST THOU SUMMONED ME?! On February 26 2013 09:48 VisceraEyes wrote: A lurker. On February 26 2013 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Well it was a hoodie, so you're a liar. LAL On February 26 2013 09:56 VisceraEyes wrote: A vote for mayor? You know, exactly what it looks like? On February 26 2013 09:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Prom that's closer to what I'm looking for. Why do you prefer to lynch WoS over Vivax? What made you change your mind based on these? | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:25 Aquanim wrote: You still haven't given any reason why geript is scum, merely that if he is then this would be a viable tactic. Do you have any actual reason to think that he is scum? I'll give you a few: He says I have an "agenda" for making jokes at the start of the game, but wants to vote VE all of a sudden despite him not being in super serious mode either between "not wanna vote anyone" and "wanna vote VE". | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:31 The Macho Man wrote: what does everyone think of vivax simply trying to figure out smurfs not alignments is the greatest of all time on to something or not? What does everyone think about NachoMan picking me out of everyone else doing the same? Let's see, Toad made a guess, Wade is making guesses, Vivax made guesses. Who might be easier to lynch? Oh it's Vivax, everybody loves lynching Vivax. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:28 geript wrote: Sorry but that is a direct question regarding Vivax stance on me. Perhaps you should be reading more than just my filter. Why do you feel it is important that asking a question about someone thinking your newbie status is important? What would you want to achieve with this question? Do you think scum is more likely to call you a newbie? Can you answer my question about your VE change of mind? | ||
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What's your read on geript and VE? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/1rbR5Au.jpg) Early game has been known to me for being not much serious and not very posty by many players. This early game instead kickstarted. I think an effective way to find scum in these stages is to find people who are too serious in a trolly environment and trying to look like they're posting a lot there. Now there are voices that say that policy discussion favours mafia. Given the way people were still talking about the stupid mayor dozens of pages into the thread it also seems townies love to talk about policy just cause of the sheer amount of people talking about it. That will make it hard to identify mafia just based on policy talk alone. What is instead possible is to categorize people into multiple classes based on the tone of their posts and also about policy interest, although mafia probably won't be findable just cause of the latter while townies talk so much about that as well. Proceeding - chronological order: ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Me: Jokey start. MilkSuckler: Trolly start, bait post. WaveOfShadow: Motivational early post, announces he'll lay back and watch. Layabout: Posts a creepy drawing, proposes the policy to lynch policy proposers. Toad: doesn't want to be mayor. VE: Announces candidacy, asks if he should run against MS. Aquanim: Serious question to MS if he wants to run despite no bodyguards. Restraining Order: Says MS didn't read, subtly criticizes pre-written post. Toad: Talks bad about MS cause of prewritten post. Turns it into a WF support into lynching MS right after. Then unvotes and uncovers the posts' origin. ObviousOne: Candidacy of jokey nature. JJ: Mayor irrelevant, vote for the guy lynching the right guy. BH: Semi-jokey candidacy, attacks JJ for previous statement. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ Prom: Candidacy with serious sounding post. BH: Explains implications of mayoral candidacy. JJ: Expresses doubts about WF's activity. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ That is enough material to extrapolate useful information for a start. The line indicates more or less the moment shit gets serious and the joke phase is over. Pretty quickly that was. Boring serious people: WoS, Toad, VE, aquanim, restraining order, JJ, Prom. In between people: Layabout, BH Jokey: Me, Milksuckler, ObviousOne Talks about mayoral election: Toad, VE, aquanim, OO, JJ, BH Doesn't talk about it: restraining order, me Let's get down to business then. First of all I would like to give you my opinion about the mayoral election: I didn't give it much importance. One lynch, two votes, that's it. A townie looking guy gets elected, either a townie looking guy gets confirmed if he hits scum or townie looking scum rides the wave to a mislynch and can shake off responsibility for it. My major interest laid in creating a nice atmosphere where we can have fun together and catch butterflies all day so that people who are scum actually feel safe to play like scum. What I've learned in past games is that people I read as scum got a valid reason to not answer questions when I actually read them as scum and called them like that. "Oh what you call me scum you idiot fine I'll ignore you" fuck that shit. To catch scum you have to let them feel cosy, when they think they didn't have the pressure to post for two days, then you will struck them with holy might knowing that they actually had the confidence to really play like lurky scum. When they don't know you will push for their lynch at deadline they will post more information, closer to their agenda than to the one made visible by townies. Since town doesn't seem to want to adopt such an innovative strategy, let's move on with standard play. Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions. However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute. ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts. aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him. Layabout could be lurky scum. If he's town I'd like him to post more. I remember him being an aggressive pusher as town in fruity mafia. JJ is a good lynch candidate. His attack on me for playing casually is a scum trait, and he quit pursuing me asking me a weird question about what I think. Well, after the last refresh (23:40 TL time) I see he's actually back to get me. Saying I didn't follow up after calling him scummy for what he did, too bad that I went to sleep around 3 AM and I'm spending 2:30 hours with reading and writing this post, so his argument is again scummy and not thought out. The argument he's used didn't apply to me, but also to Toad and some other dudes. He seems to think people trying to guess smurf identities are scum, as pointed out in my earlier post. Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. Geript looked pretty scummy to me yesterday, but since he's a newbie that might just be a consequence of that. His attacks on me cause of me being casual made me pretty suspicious, and his blabber about an agenda linked to that as well, but I don't want to lynch a newbie this early, they can look scummy as either alignment. In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis. | ||
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We don't vote the lynch targets today, we vote the mayor, and to me it looks like there's lack of selection. VE looks dead set on me and Prom. Dunno about Prom, but I'm not voting for someone lynching me. If you vote for me, I'll lynch JJ or aqua. If anyone wants my vote, tell me who you would lynch and I will tell you if you have my support. | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:39 The Macho Man wrote: i like vivax's post I like this post. | ||
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Who do you want to lynch if it's not me? | ||
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U scum? | ||
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Actually not sure if I want to lynch him. His head over heels blind frothing aggressiveness would mean he's likely town. But his points are so stupid and his behaviour so anti-town that I really feel like. | ||
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Will probably pop in with a full-loaded case in a few minutes. | ||
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Am I right with this? | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:28 The Milkman wrote: Oh also, I misread. Vivax's post does not say VE thinks he is scum. The thought is that he bases his reads on how people perceive him, in that regard, VE thinking better about him that Promethelax. What I meant there is that a scum prom would try to associate himself to me as much as he can instead of acting flexible with his read in front of VE. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:33 MilkSuckler wrote: JJ/iamp/Vivax You guys have stuck up for prome. Obviously he won't be here to mount a defense. I have not been swayed by any of the light comments you three have made that indicate his mentality is *not* scum mentality. As it stands: I am voting a mayor who will lynch prome. ================= If you truly believe he is town; are you willing to provide a more reasoned defense on his behalf? i.e. more than light comments I don't like this post. | ||
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Not ask others to defend someone most seem to believe to be scum. Let's assume you and Prom are scum together, then you're currently trying to manipulate people into incriminating themselves. | ||
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Reason x: 180' stance shifts Reason y: Though reads are subject to change Day1 (rapidly); prome has chosen meaningless points to base his stance shifts on. There is a distinct lack of conviction behind the thought process. I think the points I mentioned for Prom being scum are more reliable than the ones you use, subjectively. But there is still his willingness to change read on me that leaves me troubled. I don't want to elect a dude who thinks I'm scum either. | ||
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How about you go read my huge dump back there. | ||
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What if Prom flips green, does that mean you shouldn't be lynching me? How do you get to such conclusions? Are you saying that explaining my thought process behind my play is little substance? Bossing people around is scumhunting? | ||
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Scum would either lurk or appear tryhard, not appear useless. | ||
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Don't even know why I'm still posting, everything gets ignored when it's not to call me scum. | ||
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On February 27 2013 02:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There you go, martyr yourself and get angry as soon as anyone disagrees with you. You want to say I'm not scumhunting? I've nailed scumteams in my sleep, honey. After reading post after post of weak accusations, questions that lead to no pressure and some sort of weird confidence that seems to be centered around your awesome post that I just ripped apart, I'm still looking for the pro-town attitude and I can't find it. After wading through a mire of fluff and inconsequential half-confident reads I found that you seem to think JJ is scum. Curious that your enormous post seems to be more concerned with providing a lot of null/town reads on other players, derailing the bandwagon and NOT with putting any pressure on JJ. If you're town and JJ is indeed your scumread, your mission is to ensure he is lynched today. But instead your mission seems to be to get really butthurt that I called you out on a bad post and try to make sure everyone second guesses themselves about Prom. Explain to me why that isn't scummy. You want to tell me that you're not scummy and just really bad instead? Okay, now don't expect anyone to listen to you for the rest of the game if you're giving up on yourself that quickly. Any vet circle that exists is your mind is a figment of your imagination. Wanna talk about scumhunting still? Go through my filter and tell me I've done anything but put the heat on Prom, demanding he respond, pressuring other people to vote with me. All the time I haven't spent trying to lynch scum has been trying to cut the bullshit out of the town discussion and you're next on the list. You seem to be pretty good at ignoring scumhunting to try to make yourself look good, so try it now and convince me you're town. There is no derailing the bandwagon, you genius. There is a mayoral election, and there are candidates. If I wanted to derail the bandwagon I'd be pushing for other candidates and not making clear what my stance on other players is. Maybe Prom is scum, maybe he isn't. In that case you want to know what I think of him in advance, and there you have it, deliberately. Now go even complaining about it that I shared my opinion about him, cause for all I cared I could also have stayed silent. The vet circle isn't an imagination, there's you ignoring my questions and not commenting on the things I wrote in my posts, calling the work of more than 2 hours meaningless while a single praise from VE to me is reason enough to get you down from your massive false-ego throne and bark at him. If Greymist didn't tell us to play nice I'd be cursing at you in 3 different languages for your terrible, bossy anti-town play. You didn't do nearly as much as VE in getting information out of Prome, yet try to pump yourself full of credit for something of which we don't even know the outcome of. There's you calling me scum scum for deliberately giving my analysis and reads on other players in such a huge game while there's probably scum among the lurkers laughing their asses off at your bad play, cause you prefer to shit at people for big, transparent posts than people not posting anything at all. | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Because VE is wrong. Explain the point of your work, attack my ideas and not me and I'll listen to you. Your idea is I contributed nothing cause? | ||
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There are people who didn't even post since the game started, the reason you're not calling them scum based on general contributions is cause you are biased towards only paying attention to the things in front of you. If you don't bother looking at every player's contribution, then don't bother saying I didn't contribute much, cause I did. Maybe start looking for scum at the playerlist and not just on the last page of the thread. I don't think you're scum, but you don't need to be to play anti-town. I suggest to look for scum among the less active players. Get them to post at least. I'd especially like JJ to give more than just a defence of Prom since he seems to have actually read the thread, thing we can't be sure of regarding hassy and jcarlson. | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: notice also the majority of viv's info dump is about null reads and town reads, very often mafia hide in the comfort of their information and although it is information it isn't really useful since the only possible useful thing that could happen is a scum being killed If you notice...I talk about the people I started my analysis with. Not sure if read. On February 27 2013 03:36 layabout wrote: I don't get why vivax made a big analysis post and then ended it with "i guess my analysis didn't really work". It served no purpose other than to demonstrate that he is putting in effort. If he had wanted to share his reads why not simply do so? What you see in that post is me doing analysis in real time..Somehow. I just didn't want to delete all the stuff I wrote while proceeding to make some reads, but I actually didn't get much out of my strategy in the end lol. | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:13 layabout wrote: + Show Spoiler [Not game relevant] + BH if anyone even suggests that your scum or disagrees with you you go after them aggressively and rudely. You often make personal attacks (though you mightn't think they are) that makes the game not fun to play. I remember i Igrok game where i don't think you were banned but you were out of order and since then i haven't wanted to play with you. (I don't think i said anything about it though. This game takes up to much time for us to treat each other like shit Vivax why hassy over chaos bear? And why don't you think we can do better than a lurker lynch when there were players you thought looked scummy? Yeah that also applies to chaos bear. To any of these lurking guys obviously. If they do that they should get lynched. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote: I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise? Asking you now. | ||
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I don't see iamp's wagon of justice being prepared, his posts look complacent. | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:43 layabout wrote: Do you want to kill vivax? Dude start scumhunting wtf are you doing so useless. | ||
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From Prom night we saw a vine swinging man holding onto a talking construct. It was clear the gibberish the stone figure said was references to a ripped man. JungleJorge holding to Prome's artificial contributions? The men of grey and light were intent on badgering a vivid axe, but only in time would they realize he was just a jabberwalky. They wanna lynch me cause they don't know my crazy townplay? | ||
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You got any other arguments besides him trying to take credit for Prom's lynch prematurely? | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote: WoS, did you read jcarlson's filter? On February 27 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote: WoS, did you read jcarlson's filter? On February 27 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote: WoS, did you read jcarlson's filter? On February 27 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote: WoS, did you read jcarlson's filter? On February 27 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote: WoS, did you read jcarlson's filter? On February 27 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote: WoS, did you read jcarlson's filter? On February 27 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote: WoS, did you read jcarlson's filter? On February 27 2013 07:08 Vivax wrote: WoS, did you read jcarlson's filter? | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Regarding Soniv, yes I read his filter and it's mostly useless aside from a scumread on Vayesh, though I'm not really sure how he has enough to go on besides the fact that all Vayesh is doing is cryptically posting about random people. I expect to hear more from him later, as I said. *snip* You noticed how he said twice that Prome can't post atm lol? | ||
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This post made my scumdar go off, this guy asked two questions about OO earlier but stopped pushing him despite posting the posts at the bottom earlier. He's currently agreeing with VE on Toad, but he never pressures Oo despite having a scumread on him, he just keeps asking others about their opinion on him. On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote: My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. On February 27 2013 13:31 Aquanim wrote: @DoctorHelvetica, where did the scum reads on ObviousOne, WoS and jcarlsoniv go? | ||
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On February 27 2013 18:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't ask many questions either Vivax. Am I scum? You think the way aqua has been handling his scumreads was ok?What's your read on him? | ||
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On February 26 2013 18:43 Aquanim wrote: nope what? Promethelax isn't town, Macho isn't scum, both, or something else entirely? While you're here could you walk me through the case on Prom? On February 26 2013 19:09 Aquanim wrote: mkay, thanks. Are you saying you think JJ is scum? What does his post being terrible mean? And on Prom, do you think his posturing over RNG is necessarily a scum move? Suggesting a RNG lynch while knowing full well it's a terrible idea is a gambit I've seen before, and "gambit" was the first thing I thought when I saw it. Not sure whether people who did it previously were scum or not though. Still, I don't see how it couldn't be town-motivated, as a method to create discussion. His "case" on you is frankly pretty bad. That being said, I don't see how going back and reading the thread and noticing something you didn't before is scummy as such. On February 26 2013 19:44 Aquanim wrote: OK, I buy this. ##Vote: Wade Fell I'm still in favour of a lynch on Obvious because I feel like he overreacted to my pressure on him and since my interaction with him all he has is a filter page's worth of useless fluff. In fact, all of Obvious's filter is useless fluff. There's more than one scum in the game though and I agree, Prom's failure to actually try to make anything happen with his RNG gambit does not evoke towny feelings. You flipflopped pretty quickly on Prom's RNG gambit while subtly trying to switch attention to Oo throughout and afterwards. I don't see you mentioning Prom after this. Prom's RNG behaviour went from a townie gambit to a scummy failure. I don't see what changed in between for you. Could you mention other reasons for why you think he's scum? | ||
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On February 27 2013 19:07 MilkSuckler wrote: Whats going on vivid axe? I am used to you outright calling people scum, and trying to get them to crumble. Now you are being polite but assertive... you get hit on the head or something? Wtf do you want as answer to that? How about you go rub your neighbour's lemon tree and stop asking dumb questions? I rather hoped you would notice how he asks Oo to narrow down his list for a reason that looks made up and then proceeds to say: Oh well, I'll stick to Prom/Vivax and fucks off. | ||
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Oo was under pressure, layabout wasn't. Hassy wants to lynch me and Prom, yet asks the guy with Prom in his list to narrow it down and ignores layabout. | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:21 ObviousOne wrote: Prom's already in my list. Vivax is a wildcard for me. I can't read Vivax as well as I presume others can. I'm just one vote, if you guys think he's scum I'll try to dissuade the vote if I think he's town but I'm not committed either way as far as Vivax is concerned. | ||
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"Wat, why?" "You've been talking about too many people throughout the game, let's talk about the guys likely to get lynched" "Oh I see is there anyone specific you want to talk about, like Vivax and Prom?" "Yeah let's talk about Vivax and Prom" "Prom is in my list. Dunno about Vivax." "Kthxbai" | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:32 The Milkman wrote: Okay, if you are so set on me being yamato77, then so be it. I guess I should be happy that someone thinks I am town, but the way you created your reasoning is not exactly one I'd like to be made. hahahaha no dude I'm not yamato77. It's like the guy saying "No bro I didn't steal that car stereo and that wallet of yours really". I'm sure this dude is yamato and he's being less active than when he's town on the long term. Lynch it!Lynch it! On February 26 2013 19:52 The Milkman wrote: Stop asking for day kills and trying to get the identities of smurfs, useless fluff and it only makes the thread big. I am sorry for not posting this in one post but I am getting really dismayed by the one liner festive over here. Effort people, were on like page thirty and we are not even half through the day. I understand Promethelax's plan, it fizzled but what are we going to do. I understand some smurfs suspicion of him planning a getaway with a rng argument. People are quite upfront about their opinions, that is one good thing... Besides all that negativity flowing through them... "Oh man I understand what Prom wanted to do there, it was shit but what should we do about it, I know he's getting flak for it from some dudes we don't know for a good reason and that's good but being negative isn't good." On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote: My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. 2:30 h later. "No wait actually his plan was shit and he's scum, I would bus him.VE is town. Also Milksuckler, Vivax and Toad scum!" | ||
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On February 27 2013 18:25 The Milkman wrote: Obvious, your list serves no purpose. Why are you accusing someone without good points? Two of your reasons are trolling. Listen, this is a big game. We do not need fluff posts in here. I mean, I would love to be so good to be sure someone is scum based on his name, but you know, I suck. Your posts still are short and without any substance whatsoever. When pressured you get in this weird spiked turtle mode and tell everyone to basically fuck off. Either defend yourself or just shrug it off. I do not think I played with someone like this, so please manner up if you care for normal town (and human) atmosphere. There is scum agenda in your posting history and obviously I dont like that. Also I noticed that some people said they dont like something about me: please say what exactly because there is nothing I can actually talk about that in this regard. Now I will jump into some filters of people like Macho, layabout and wave. This post looks artificial, too. In the first underlined part he starts with some general info on how to play the game and talks about fluff and people being scum based on the name and even says he sucks by himself, which doesn't make any sense whatsoever if he feels serious about what he's writing. In the second it looks like some made up accusation, he's basically telling Oo how to play and how he doesn't like the way he plays. It's almost like he's justifying himself towards Oo for pushing him. | ||
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I don't want to take pressure away nonetheless and I expect him to post more when there's actually a wagon to get going, since the current mayoral candidates are all set on lynching the same guy. The direction might be more obvious when Prom's alignment is off the table. @ Milkman You did call Milkman and Toad scum, this is from one of your posts I quoted. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. Calling people in mafia trance or suspicious and not playing according to town meta I see as calling them scum, but maybe that's just me. That you talked with Toad after it is irrelevant to my argument. Toad reacted and you had to counter-react, he reacted cause you called him out as scummy. The point of my argument is your sudden wholehearted Prom lynch support with throwing in a few half-assed town- and scumreads in between In later posts, I see that you actually tried to dissuade MachoMan from his Prom defence so you did actually soft push for a Prom lynch despite mentioning so many other reads before and that makes you look better. I didn't like your response to my big post however. It looked to me like you quoted it just with the intent of making me look bad. On February 27 2013 03:51 The Milkman wrote: Damn it VE, why flop about Vivax? Read that big post again man. I need my vote to go somewhere you know. Then this post. VE wants to lynch Prom, but you are basically telling VE to look at my post again and change opinion about the lynch target from Prom to me. This doesn't coincide with your earlier interests. | ||
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On February 27 2013 23:56 Hassybaby wrote: When did I say I wanted to lynch you exactly? He asked me a very very generalised question, and I asked him to narrow it down. He mentioned two names and I took that option. Also, considering it was OO and not layabout who asked me the question, I spoke to him briefly about it. It would be pretty rude if i didn't answer him when he addressed me, and as an Englishman, rudeness is unacceptable. Hell, while we're here, lets go wit the other complain that people had about it all; the fact that I was around for a bit, didn't post much while reading over 40 pages in 24 hours, then went to the airport like I said. Or were you expecting me to come right back at 7am after I haven't slept in over 24 hours? You asked Oo to look specifically at me and Prom. I took that as you being interested in lynching me since you seem to have ignored or even disregarded all other components of Oo's list. | ||
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On February 28 2013 00:25 glurio wrote: Do you actually read the thread? It's pretty clear that macho is iamp. Oh it's glurio, I actually forgot you were in this game. You posting more here or in the scum qt? | ||
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That's nice and dandy Hassy, too bad you were pretty disinterested in what he said about me and Prom as well. I don't see any reason for you to aks Oo these questions if it's not to get information from him or about me and Prom, thing you didn't appear to have the intent of doing. Why were you asking Oo these questions in the first place since you put it like you were holding hands with him while asking him about things he proposed to you? Doesn't look to me like you suspected him much there, and there's no followup. | ||
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You base your assumption that JJ is scum on two things: That Prom is scum and that he attacked MachoMan. What's your current read on Macho and JJ? | ||
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What question did he ask you? You asked him the question about that list first. | ||
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I actually missed that question from ObviousOne, so apologies to Hassy for mistaking his intentions there, I thought he tried to ask some fluffy questions about two players who are terrible targets. Prom cause he's getting lynched anyway and me. That doesn't change the fact that his overreaction and ad hominem attacks without simply pointing out where I was wrong are scummy. The matter could have been solved within one post if he had quoted that. Telling a guy all sorts of insults and whatnot is not the right way to solve that. It looks to me like he purposefully tried to stir up more fire instead of trying to solve the matter immediately, and he's still perfectly disinterested in the rest of the game. I also apologize for spamming, but it seems most of the thread isn't here when I am and viceversa. | ||
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I don't want Helvetica elected. My vote goes to Prom as pardoner unless Helvetica becomes mayor, then I'll try to get either VE or BH in as mayor. I don't need a dude with a terrible read on me in that position. VE at least knows my town meta. ##Vote Prom | ||
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I'd also like more opinions on Hassy, he keeps flying under the radar. So far I'm the only guy who has been pressuring him and that's concerning. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:05 Wade Fell wrote: Right now, all it takes is like a FEW bad townies from the group voting for VE, DrH and me to say "hey guys I thinkg Geript is actually the best let's vote him" and BAM Prometheleax is the mayor. Come on, we can't take that risk. You mean, a few dead townies. Wade, answer my question pls. | ||
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Destroying the pardoner role is a fine idea but it's not a tragedy if it goes to a townie looking guy either. Wade, I was actually asking you if you have any other reads besides Prom and JJ, I saw Prom as a nobrainer cause he's dead meat anyway. | ||
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On February 28 2013 08:42 layabout wrote: This is not a valid way to oppose a candidate Calling people stupid and bad is right? Nice candidate you're voting for there. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:06 layabout wrote: vigis on ObviousOne MachoMan or Vivax, lurkers are also acceptable targets. I want to know why you want me vigged but don't seem to find the arguments to make a case on me. | ||
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Come on. I saw Toad bus his teammate D1 like, with the second or third vote and push for the lynch. We need to find other reasons for people being town or scum than purely voted for/defended a flipped guy. If anything we need to look for people being too sure about Prom's alignment prematurely. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:25 layabout wrote: You were null until a few hours ago and at that point making a case was not a priority. Your analysis post with the diggerpic was either an effort to look like you were you were contributing or a good indicator of your mindset but i am undecided on which i think it was. But when you pushed aquanim that made very little sense to me. I thought you had been more focused on lurkers than you are upon rereading. I can't figure you out and i am confident enough in others looking better than you to want to see your flip. What is this post? You're saying I'm null for you but you want me vigged based on exclusion of everyone else? | ||
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Can we now finally go on to discuss tomorrow's lynches? I suggest Hassy for now for avoiding to give an opinion at all. JJ gives me doubts since his defence of Prom was pretty bold and I can't imagine mafia actually playing that badly, so I'll wait to see what he brings to the table in the future. | ||
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On February 28 2013 19:43 glurio wrote: Let us not forget about vivax. If you look at his filter most of his posts are one-liners. He has already 6 ! pages of filter and this is his one post with actual content. I'll quote it here for your reading pleasure. + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 01:32 glurio wrote: OK nothing vivax? Really? On February 28 2013 03:33 glurio wrote: I'm down with putting prom into the pardoner position and offing him and the role with him. On February 28 2013 04:05 glurio wrote: Ok ill change my vote to DrH so VE doesn't get mayor and goes crazy. On February 28 2013 07:25 glurio wrote: Ok I'm here now, where should i place my vote? On February 28 2013 07:35 glurio wrote: Ok i still don't really get it. So we give a stupid, emotional and possible bad player (just quoting) 2 votes D2? Because you can possibly steer him DrH? On February 28 2013 07:45 glurio wrote: So can we consolidate on someone else than VE now? On February 28 2013 08:11 glurio wrote: -snipped quote here- You got toad and prome confused? On February 28 2013 08:33 glurio wrote: I do think it's a good idea to put prom as pardoner, but VE as mayor i didn't like so much. On February 28 2013 08:40 glurio wrote: When from now is the deadline? How many hours? (Can't get the timezoneconverter thing to work right now) On February 28 2013 08:42 glurio wrote: DrH you should switch to yourself. On February 28 2013 19:44 glurio wrote: With that i'll be away buying groceries for a while. On February 27 2013 04:19 glurio wrote: Do you think vayesh is scummier then prome? On February 27 2013 02:22 glurio wrote: Game started at 1 am my time, had to work this morning and it took me nearly 3 hours to read all those pages, that's why it took so long to contribute. I have to go out for a bit, will be here before deadline hopefully. On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote: I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo. Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so? On February 27 2013 04:40 glurio wrote: I found it odd he went so harsh after vayesh because i think vayesh played a good town game so far. Thats why i went after him. Would've gone further in questioning him, if he didn't went afk. On February 28 2013 00:43 glurio wrote: Why would i need to prove to you that i'm town? I believe you alread know. I'll just go on and do some scumhunting, which i am doing right now! So how about answering to my post? It's funny how you start off your case by 1.mentioning things like activity, that actually show I'm town. You should start looking at my meta before you start drawing conclusions based on that, but drawing conclusions is secondary to you, all you're doing is making a puppet case after a bunch of people mentioned me as scumread. 2. Making points that apply mostly to yourself. | ||
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On February 28 2013 22:16 glurio wrote: I bring you back into discussion since right now mostly other people are being discussed and i don't want you to get away with doing nothing. What good did you do so far? How could your read change on macho after he replied probably not knowing that you actually wrote something about him? Whats your current read on him? Why did you never share your reads although i asked you three times? I pressured multiple people, I got lurkers like you, Milkman and Hassy to post, I explained my thought process early and thoroughly. I didn't tell you my reads cause I don't always have to, especially at that time where I was asking specific people like you, Hassy and Milkman questions, one should assume that there's a reason I am asking questions to these people and no one else, no? So asking me about my reads is obsolete when you see them through my actions. My Macho read is slight town. His last entrance into the thread was really townie. Which scum enters the thread complaining that no one made a case on him? Yeah. What makes the whole thing nullish is the fact that iamp simply is more present during the game, but I don't see any reason to suspect he's scum currently. Now, answer me the question: What good did YOU do so far? What should make me believe you're town? Your presence has been mostly laid back, seemingly disinterested, low activity, you announce your absence lots of times, but more importantly: You are asking me to give a read on a guy you believe to be town? How does that fit? Why is it so important for you to know what I think of your townreads? Something doesn't compute here. Also expand on why me mentioning JJ instead of MachoMan is scummy. | ||
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On February 28 2013 23:00 glurio wrote: Since you obviously don't like sharing your scum reads its all i can ask isn't it? Asked for them enough i guess. So you ask questions, how would it be if you just get ignored and don't get answers? Just like i did. You probably try to call the person out, just like i did. Still not here to make you believe i'm town, already said that. I'm here to hunt scum. I'm asking you questions, not getting answers. It's not scummy never stated that, i do find it odd that it took 3 hours to correct that, though. Maybe people don't like to put too much thought in what you write? How about starting to do some thinking so people actually read what you write. Your posts are incoherent and this answer is massively scummy. You just dodged the type of questions you had the nerve to ask me. You can't find reasons to argue that you're town, and you refuse to play transparently. Now you say it's not scummy when it's something that makes like 66% of your awful case. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615&user=68375 - VT http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393329&user=68375¤tpage=All - Scum 1 and 3 look pretty similar, but he sure posts more in 3. 2 is quite unique. Problem is: Using meta from newbies isn't super reliable, and those were minis. The posting style and strategies change from newbie games into more experienced ones. As town glurio posted much more complete and concise post, especially looking at 2, before getting killed. Same as in 1, huge cases. Pushing aggressively. In 3 lots of summarizing, agreeing with others, apologizing and parroting, half-assed pushes like the one on me here. The only difference I see is that here he doesn't defend himself, in 3 he did a lot. But I don't want to put too much weight into that, he might have learned from his mistakes. | ||
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On February 28 2013 23:58 Toadesstern wrote: not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target. I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now. Milksuckler said you want me vigged. Dunno, didn't check. | ||
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On February 28 2013 23:58 Toadesstern wrote: not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target. I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now. I fail to see any useful purpose for you saying you lean town on me. I'd much rather have you mentioning these two or three people you speak of. On March 01 2013 00:15 The Macho Man wrote: i change my mind on jj he is being open with his thoughts and is talking about the game a lot i think he is town now. Obviousone martyr crap looks to me as natural and not forced seems like he is more likely to be town at this point. I agree with jj on aqua and taking another look as well as what at obvious said aqua. It seems like aquas only contribution was to in fact just tunnel obvious and seemed like that was his way of contributing. hasybaby is probable scum as well because he does not care about town at all and seems to have no interest in the game. so aqua and hasy Why do I feel like this is just thrown in here with the purpose of calming the waters and not do more? | ||
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7-8 pages of filter D1. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&user=299690¤tpage=All - now 3 pages including the night. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&user=149300¤tpage=All - Town 4-5 pages D1, also a different feeling of your play. Aggressive pushing. Dessert you actually had about the same amount of filter as here, but you replaced in. I didn't check the timestamps on the minute, but I think you can see where I'm coming from. | ||
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On March 01 2013 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Wake up, check TL, no one commented on my posts. Just another day. Why isn't glurio in your list? | ||
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On March 01 2013 04:30 geript wrote: I've worked in a psych ward for 2 years. I've worked with DSS kids for another 2 years (almost 90% of which were categorized both by personality type and psych issues). I'm a nursing student currently and have spent another 3 months of clinical in both pscyh and high risk psych. I'm qualified to be able to read your posts and categorize your personality from that. I know you're not afraid to do unorthodox things because you have said that multiple times and the general consensus on the boards was that you have done that before. Lol I didn't laugh so hard for a long time at someone using arguments like these to strengthen his case. First time I see someone using his rl qualifications to say why he's right in a game. Hey VE I'm sorry to tell you, but some guy who worked in high risk psych for so long thinks there's something wrong with you. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Puppy begs you to stop being a meanie. Geript, your case revolves around VE wanting the pardoner role. Tell me, do you think a pardoner would ever survive the next day if he ever decided to stop a lynch on someone? | ||
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What I fail to understand is how Toad disliked to opt for the mayor role in that case, I am used to Toad having a high opinion of himself and given how he's been spitting on VE multiple times I would have expected him to try and get elected there instead of him, so I don't see his motivation to steer clear of that role, that might mean he's trying to avoid the spotlight or responsible positions. | ||
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What's the point of VE trying to get a role that despite sounding beneficial for scum is also suicidal when used when he could have opted to become a mayor, lynch someone else than prom and let town waste a day while having one extra KP during the night? | ||
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On March 01 2013 07:43 layabout wrote: As in toad brought attention to yamato and was one of the first votes on him vivax should know that Toad would do this as scum, Toad also discussed how he had know problems bussing teammates early on. (if you want to read if Toad was smurfing as wewinmafia) Read the thread pls. | ||
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On March 01 2013 09:05 The Milkman wrote: For someone reason I don't believe that. You sure that you aren't yamato? On February 28 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote: Milkman is probably glurio's scumbuddy, asking some random questions, soft-defending him against me. If glurio flips red you're next. On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another. This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well. That's as far as I would go with crumbing. Initially wanted to shoot glurio, but on second thought hassy was a safer target and I chose him, didn't crumb that though. Mafia might have seen that as reason enough to roleblock me, so that puts glurio into the deep red. | ||
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Too easy. But let's start from the right point. ##Vote hassybaby I want to know where you got this information: On March 01 2013 09:12 The Milkman wrote: If you want to wifom here's a thought for you: Mafia doublestacked VE. That means we have one kill too much. | ||
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"Oh what no we would never roleblock you, why the hell did you say you would shoot glurio and then tried to shoot hassy, you must be scum" All the while completely disregarding one important thing about roleblocked vigis. When I look at his early game stances regarding Prom it all begins to make sense. + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 23:26 The Milkman wrote: Okay. I agree with Promethelax not caring about looking town is bad. His "goodbye" post is the most direct way to politely say you just don't care. Although, I don't agree about letting him go and replacing him with Vivax. Vivax's been spammy and useless, while BEING in the thread. He put zero effort, that's true, but that happens - especially at the start of the game. Of course, we should try to spend our limited time (48 hours seems so long, but as others have observed, it seems to be quite short given the switches happening nowadays) as best as we can. From soft-defending what Prom did, to full-heartedly supporting his lynch, but then simply "agreeing" how about what Prom does is "bad" and right afterwards trying to sway attention onto me. Let's lynch this guy first actually, everything else isn't as much of a sure scum hit as this guy. ##Unvote ##Vote The Milkman | ||
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On March 01 2013 09:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: There are two roleblocks in this game, who was roleblocked by the concussion shot? I'm being told that I've been roleblocked and that's it. Can we lynch MilkMan pls? | ||
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From soft-defending what Prom did, to full-heartedly supporting his lynch, but then simply "agreeing" how about what Prom does is "bad" and right afterwards trying to sway attention onto me. On February 26 2013 19:52 The Milkman wrote: Stop asking for day kills and trying to get the identities of smurfs, useless fluff and it only makes the thread big. I am sorry for not posting this in one post but I am getting really dismayed by the one liner festive over here. Effort people, were on like page thirty and we are not even half through the day. I understand Promethelax's plan, it fizzled but what are we going to do. I understand some smurfs suspicion of him planning a getaway with a rng argument. People are quite upfront about their opinions, that is one good thing... Besides all that negativity flowing through them... On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote: My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. On February 26 2013 23:26 The Milkman wrote: Okay. I agree with Promethelax not caring about looking town is bad. His "goodbye" post is the most direct way to politely say you just don't care. Although, I don't agree about letting him go and replacing him with Vivax. Vivax's been spammy and useless, while BEING in the thread. He put zero effort, that's true, but that happens - especially at the start of the game. Of course, we should try to spend our limited time (48 hours seems so long, but as others have observed, it seems to be quite short given the switches happening nowadays) as best as we can. And to emphasize my point again. Especially the phrasing of the last post shows how MilkMan rather tries to stay on agreeable terms with others regarding Prom than actually being interested into pushing him. | ||
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A sudden 180 ° turn on Prom after a soft defence, and then talking more about others than Prom himself while calling him scum looks exactly like that. Not to mention how this guy just tried to attack my claim. | ||
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I'm getting hammered into my head since early mafia days that as vigi you pick useless lurkers, hard to read players as targets. Now there are guys here who don't seem to be complete newbies that call me scum for doing exactly that, trying to get rid of a scummy lurker over a guy who at least contributes something. | ||
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On March 01 2013 10:30 MilkSuckler wrote: Vivax accused Milkman of being scum saying "milkman called hassy safe" ? 1. If that's your reason for voting me then you just lost all credibility. 2. It's not true. | ||
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Chez, do you have any proper reads besides some blabbering about third party paranoia? | ||
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I also don't see whatever fallacy you just mentioned about me. My points against him are clear, although I left a few out:
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On March 01 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote: So...nobody has had a look at MilkSuckler/Mocsta in a little while, and as much as I'd like to, people tend to ignore my shit. Vivax, Geript, Aquanim and DrH. Any thoughts regarding him at all before I dive in at some point in the near future? The thing about jcarl is that he's in the same category as a few other people like hassy, Chezinu, JJ and the like, so we might as well RNG one of them and shoot the fish in the barrel cause we will never know for sure if they're scum if we don't get them to post more. Chezinu is currently here so if you want to catch the opportunity to contribute on that line it would be now by trying to get something useful from him, we can also all vote jcarl and lay back while Chezinu still doesn't get asked anything, but even though you might be happy that everyone agrees with you on jcarl I don't think that letting the other lurkers slip like that when they are here is what you really want. I'll take a better look at the rest of what you wrote tomorrow going to sleep now. | ||
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What I don't understand about this whole mess is why grush claimed dayvig and Chez is still alive. Grush, are you really dayvig? If you aren't, why did you claim it? If you are, why is Chez alive? Chez, why did you choose to shoot Milkman? Why did you choose that timing? Why didn't you call him scum before? | ||
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@ WoS On March 01 2013 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, my point is pretty clear I would think. It means I nor anyone else in the thread should be able to trust your reads. You're wrong this time as well if you're partially basing your case on my 'excited' activity. Ugh this is as good a time as any to duck out until after daypost considering I've apparently brought no worthy discussion with my case and am going mostly ignored once again. If only I was scum I'd win singlehandedly. I'll be back later this evening. Oh and I guess so I can contribute to the actual topic of conversation: my 'conspiracy theory' involves Toad in a way. The same way that DrH mentioned he think both Geript and I are town despite being against each other in ways is very different from how I feel towards Toad vs VE. I don't believe it's possible for them both to be town. WoS I just noticed this in your filter. You posted this exclusion case about VE and Toad not possibly being town together, and after VE's flip you immediately went to this: On March 01 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript #1 reads NA. Can we lynch him yet? I would have expected you to join into Helvetica's Toad push given your pre-day post. Where did that intention go? You seem to completely be ignoring what's being written about Toad. You replied on a question about Toad with saying you would dive his filter but I still don't see anything regarding that. | ||
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I for sure am not lying and got a standard roleblock notification, so don't try to pull these stunts on me. @ Oo You said in your post that Milkman was "confirmed town". 1. Why are you saying this? My points against him were strong and he was scummy, where is evidence that he was confirmed town? Did you know something I do not? 2. Why are you saying that to call me scummy but not to dissuade me from lynching him? And why aren't you pushing for a Chezinu lynch since he shot him? | ||
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That doesn't change the fact that it's scummy from him to suspect me but not Chezinu. That selectivity isn't rational. The flavour says that you won't be notified of saved hits cause of the concussion while inside the protectron. If I'd want to argue with your logic then I could say that Toad only gets notified of concussion when he gets hit, which doesn't make sense anyway cause he doesn't. The concussion just looks like an argument to not give a notification of saved hits. I don't care about that flavour anyway. I told the truth. If you want to try and get me lynched go ahead and good luck. If I get lynched cause of such a thing this town deserves to lose anyway. | ||
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You don't get notified of saved hits, you still get notified of the roleblock. That's how I believe it is. Everything else is just fallout flavour for a normal jailer. All the roles are perfectly standard but have flavour. I'm still waiting for grush and Chez to respond to my questions. We should be focusing on these two currently rather than Toad. Chezinu is still alive after grush (fake?)claimed dayvig and that's where we should keep digging. We should also hear reasons from Chezinu to shoot Milkman. Until we get these two trolls to clear up the confusion we will be swimming in it. I don't get where you are assuming that Chezinu is town, I agree that it's unlikely that town has 2 dayvigs and 1 vig, so one of the dayvigs has to be scum, in case that grush really is a dayvig, and it's our top priority to find that out. | ||
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Chez could have tried to push for his lynch in that case or comment on my case whatever and decided to go for his own thing which is scummy. I'd still wait for Chez and grush to answer my questions and cast away any doubts before we make a definite decision. If there's still any doubt we will lynch that guy, a tooth for a tooth and it's not like we lose much of a value if he's indeed town. | ||
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Grush there are questions for you too I want answered. | ||
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I just saw you admitted to fakeclaiming the shot. Why did you do that? | ||
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I would like to know where the second nightvig claim is though, I didn't see it. @ grush Still waiting to hear your reasons for fakeclaiming it. Did you want Chez lynched but actually pushed for Toad? You don't make any sense with that. | ||
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On March 02 2013 07:08 Wade Fell wrote: I disagree. If he's a mafia day vigi, perhaps he realizes that he cannot possibly stop the freight train-like momentum of a BH-backed push. He fires immediately and claims town day vigi, just to move us a half-step closer to lylo, since it's the last thing he could do for his team. Given that he's chez and how comprehensive my case against him is, it's reasonable. He can't go shooting someone super obviously town if he wants a chance to live (people would know he's scum if he show me, for example), and he doesn't want to shoot an ally or someone who's lynchbait. It seems to me his action perfectly aligns with what a scum chez would do in this case-- reasonable and not bad. Imo Milkman was good lynch bait, but maybe that's just me. For the rest, it makes sense. Mafia doesn't lose KP with his death anyway so he might as well have tried to get that action out quickly. | ||
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On March 02 2013 07:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Theres no reason to claim jailer as scum it would be monumentally stupid Agreed. Very unlikely that JJ is scum. He is still is responsible for VE getting shot unless there was a doublestack. But not much we can do about that. I still would like to hear why he picked Toad as target. | ||
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You said earlier that you'd believe chez to be likely town if he remained uncounterclaimed all the while pushing toad until he got modkilled. Now you seem reluctant to defend chez and act insecure and confused about him although grush fakeclaimed, i would like you to expand on that. Cause if that's the case then a chez red flip would make you likely mafia for what you did. I should be back in time around deadline to post properly. | ||
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On March 03 2013 09:07 geript wrote: Well I think that I don't need to check this thread anymore. Why not? Props to Chez for that IRC stuff it would probably have gotten to vote switch if I saw it earlier. GG. | ||
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On March 03 2013 09:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript and jcarls need to get whacked tonight I'll think about it maybe I don't know. | ||
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Iamp, what are your current scumreads. | ||
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Scumgame of your life but I uncovered your nasty plans. | ||
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I will make up a reason after the shot. Any objections? | ||
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Let's lynch into glurio / jcarl next, geript shared his reads quite willingly we should see how he plays out this day. | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:10 JungleJorge wrote: Vivax I assume you are claiming the RO kill? I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened. I shot RO yes. If what you say is true then there should be a second guy roleblocked by scum, unless layabout is the mafia roleblocker. | ||
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There are 2 scum left so it's unlikely they would be able to achieve a 5 2 situation at this point. However there might be third party and since it would be an arsonist the next night might end up being scary, or the night after. I'll just sheep Wade on today's lynch last time he looked sure like on this one and he hit scum. | ||
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On March 05 2013 06:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Can we have a 24 hour day please? I suggest instant majority lynch instead. ##Vote InstantMajority | ||
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On March 05 2013 21:13 geript wrote: Ummmm... Looks like he really wants it Moc. And he wants you to be hard when you bring it. Dat psychoanalysis. + Show Spoiler +  | ||
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On March 06 2013 06:50 grush57 wrote: If geript flips town we should definitely think about lynching WF The thing about Wade is he talked about BH is that he talked about lynching JJ before D2 started, then said he would make a case on Chezinu or JJ and came back with a full blown Chezinu case, disregarding JJ. He never mentioned Chezinu Day1 but Day2 he only had eyes for him. I think JJ noticed this too and asked BH if he's watcher or DT cause of that (even if he is you should never give scum that idea). | ||
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On March 06 2013 07:35 Vivax wrote: The thing about Wade is He never mentioned Chezinu Day1 but Day2 he only had eyes for him. I think JJ noticed this too and asked BH if he's watcher or DT cause of that (even if he is you should never give scum that idea). | ||
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On March 06 2013 09:17 JungleJorge wrote: I'll order every geript voter in order of terribleness: Everyone is terrible. Sup Bugs. | ||
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I enjoyed your posts you contributed to making this game fun. It's 24 hours day we need to decide quickly. Out of gut I'd currently go for jcarlson or glurio. Not both. Given the following post I'm confident to exclude that they're both scum. The target for this day should be to decide which one is it. On March 04 2013 08:45 glurio wrote: That is such a weird post. I really don't understand it. Sorry for not being here much this weekend. RO does look pretty scummy. But so does geript, and if we follow vayesh's reads (he was right with chez too) he should be lynched tomorrow imo. And yes i believe jcarlsoniv is a good vig shot. The summary of read glurio gives here is very scummy. He says RO is scummy but geript should be lynched for vayesh's old reads but mentions jcarlson as vig shot without mentioning his read on him or any reason at all. With RO's flip in mind I regret not reconsidering glurio as scum earlier to notice this. I will try to verbalize the gut read I got from skimming jcarl's filter later. I would appreciate if town helped me dig up some more evidence here, I'll try to expand my horizon as well regarding other players at that point. The remaining scum will be harder to catch than the first two, natural selection is my witness. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 07 2013 21:40 JungleJorge wrote: I see no other possibility other than vivax being scum. Let's take a look at the coincidences that happened so far. 1) Mafia somehow thinks it's a good idea to RB vivax night 1. He posted he was shooting hassy near the deadline. Even if mafia somehow saw that Hassy was town. RB makes no sense. NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY ON EARTH WOULD MAFIA RB VIVAX N1. 2) Mafia shot VE who wanted to kill vivax. And Vayesh who wanted to kill chez. *snipped* _______________________________________________________________________________________________________ 1) It actually makes sense since glurio had reason to be afraid by me implying I would see his flip soon. I said I would shoot Hassy in the last minute. There was no time for scum to change targets. 2) VE was the mayor and hit scum with Prom D1, mafia can use NK's for many purposes, but taking strong townies out is always one of the best. You being selective about VE wanting to kill me is proof of your bad play. Why don't you mention those who Wade wanted to kill last if you think that it's a valid way to say someone is scum? 3 to infinity and beyond) The rest doesn't matter and I'm too lazy to answer all your shit, it's a waste of time we have to actually find scum. I'm confirmed town. If I was scum saying to be vig like you say, I would have simply claimed a RB last night and shot a strong townie instead. I shot scum and your argument is invalid, so retire from mafia yourself kthxbai. For those who want to lynch scum: ##Vote jcarlsoniv Must be scum at this point. Considering MilkSuckler's latest play and the fact that glurio and jcarlson seem to exclude each other as scum unless they hard bussed each other early we lynch jcarl. If jcarl flips red, which seems very likely, we should consider lynching MilkSuckler tomorrow. | ||
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Layabout why do you think jcarlson is town, post arguments. | ||
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Iamp jcarlson isn't trying to find scum either, prove me wrong. | ||
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While I agree I still really dislike Vivax , that means he agrees that Mocsta only wants to lynch me cause he thinks I'm useless to town despite not being scum.This is purely opportunistic, he didn't contribute anything or make cases of his own. Instead he wants to sheep a policy lynch as OMGUS vote against me. | ||
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On March 08 2013 00:34 The Macho Man wrote: pretty sure i never said he was town but i believe glurio is the scum right in front of us and jcarl was somewhat suspicious of him earlier so that's good enough for me. You ask him and Moc to switch their votes to glurio and now you say jcarl was suspicious of glurio earlier so that's your argument for voting him. That sounds pretty much like you have a townread on jcarl. Is it just cause he finds the guy scummy you find scummy too? Did you actually look at jcarl's filter or have any argument besides that connection? | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote glurio If I'll get a majority for jcarl I'll favour that though. | ||
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On March 08 2013 07:37 glurio wrote: So no one reads what i post anymore? I do but trying to say something about grush is impossible every grush lynch is basically a policy lynch and so far every one of his starsenses crumbs was a reliable towntell, the only scumgrush I ever played against only trolled and didn't crumb that. | ||
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On March 08 2013 08:05 WaveofShadow wrote: Thinking ahead you guys are going to fucking screw me on this anyway, aren't you? I'm just waiting for someone to come up with the fact that I'm risking my neck to defend Glurio all game as a scum tell. Scum puts Glurio up for lynching and due to strong association they can fucking WIFOM all day and say well I only did that because I knew he was town all along. You guys had better have a close fucking look at who threw Glurio under the bus to begin with. Not sure if I understand you correctly but are you just speaking of someone you defend as townread that he's being thrown under the bus? | ||
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Who of them is town in your opinion and what made you change your read tell us everything please. | ||
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On March 08 2013 06:34 The Macho Man wrote: Wave of shadow becasue he is not suspicious of you when he should be. | ||
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On March 08 2013 08:34 The Macho Man wrote: ya i know what i said thanks for reminding me i changed my mind..... i do that Well I asked why you changed your mind so suddenly exactly in response to the post where you did that (and which you are referring to now) and you said you changed your mind earlier and the post I quoted is the last post you made about WoS so either you didn't read correctly or didn't keep your read consistent and are covering it up. | ||
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Why don't you tell me? | ||
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If the second scumread of yours defends the first scumread of yours and you give the second scumread a townread for that, afterwards proceeding to handle my question in such a way then it does look like you are hiding something, likely related to geript's alignment. | ||
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On March 08 2013 08:57 The Macho Man wrote: so then explain the reasons how me giving a town read on wos helps me from a scum perspective. I'll think about it after I saw the flip. | ||
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Look into what I just wrote about iamp. Think of implications about his alignment, post them. Spoilered for spoilers + Show Spoiler + You are scum pushing a townie and a townie defending him and the first townie is about to get lynched. The second townie will look much better after the lynch. What do you do when you know you can't call the second townie scum any more after the flip? You defend the second townie beforehand to look a little better before it's too late. | ||
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I want people to consider iamp's lynch for tomorrow. For true justice. | ||
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Feel free to give us some vermin supreme vids on the way, but write a case please cause I don't think WoS is scum. Look at jcarl and iamp instead if you want to do me a favour. | ||
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Now stop whining please and help me nail jcarl and iamp. | ||
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On March 08 2013 09:26 JungleJorge wrote: I wasn't stupid when i told people toad was scum despite him claiming vig n1 and everyone saying "yolo toad is town fo sho". Then risk hammering mafia d1 and I say fuck that the dude is scum and he was. Weren't you on toad's team when he pulled this off and everyone thought that was the best play ever? Oh right you were. Now go kill me cuz I don't want to read this game any longer. That was more or less a ragequit shot Toad wanted to concede, I agreed a bit later and I shot him telling Bugs to concede after 30 minutes. Ask Bugs if you don't believe it. As said your version doesn't make sense cause I could simply claim roleblocks into infinity if I was scum and it would make much more sense than me shooting a scumbuddy. Take your tinfoil hat off, you might be good at this game most of the time but you don't make any sense right now. Do something good this game and help me kill jcarl pls. | ||
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I'll just repeat my argument: Nothing stopped me from claiming being roleblocked all the time or shooting someone like hassy instead of a teammate. Scum knew I wasn't going to be RBd, so I don't know what happened to their shot, they might have framed me by withholding KP knowing I would shoot, which is now working just fine. I'll still accept going down if those doubts are too strong for you guys to go on with the game without doing something productive, but not before I'm done convincing you that jcarl is scum. Lynch him after me. On February 27 2013 04:10 jcarlsoniv wrote: What? I'm confused as to why JJ would go from "I believe promethelax is innocent" to "Promethelax is likely scum" in literally one post. And using "JK GAIZ I WAS JUST TESTING HIM" is not a viable excuse in my book. This post was directed to JJ when he flipped on Prom from townread to scumread, jcarl found the switch scummy but didn't comment on Prom at all until this point. I believe it's cause jcarl knew what alignment Prom would flip next. Jcarl has been consistently attacking people who pushed Prom: First JJ with this and then Vayesh with his case. On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Alllllllrighty VayeshMoru After a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing): He isn't committing to anything. VM makes a couple posts about disliking Vivax: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote: when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. On February 26 2013 10:52 VayeshMoru wrote: obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax And then gives his $.02 about some other people: + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light. On February 26 2013 11:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination. On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote: A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid? If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform. On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote: one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying. However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now. He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick. I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die. @Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day? I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around). Here we also notice something that was noticed by me earlier in the day: He says "I know Prome can't defend himself at this point", which doesn't make sense cause Prom didn't announce his absence for a certain timespan, he just posted his last post telling us he'd catch a jet and that his future internet connection would be bad. He says it's obvious that Prom is getting killed and also emphasizes that again after his death, but he never, I repeat never commented or guessed Prom's alignment during the day, but constantly attacked those who could be considered the less vocal townies about his lynch. This is a scumtrait, scum is afraid to attack vocal townies cause they are likely to draw them into a longer discussion where they are likely to slip the alignment. tl dr: Jcarl attacked "easy" people attacking Prom, choice of targets suggests scum, didn't comment on Prom once despite being obvious lynch. Coming up tomorrow: Jcarl and Chezinu On March 01 2013 11:50 jcarlsoniv wrote: Gettin' real tired of your shit, Chez Only thing that could be seen as an alignment guess by jcarl. On March 01 2013 12:57 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok...I think I'm following. I'm not disagreeing with ridding of Chez. What I'm disagreeing with is the thought process that if Chez flips green, that automatically makes grush red. 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On March 09 2013 09:38 Aquanim wrote: The trouble is that scum must have thought JungleJorge would JK someone and so the lack of scum KP would be blamed on that. It would be impossible to know even after the JK'd player was flipped that scum KP hadn't been lost by a shot either on or from the JK target. So this plan from scum wouldn't actually accomplish anything. I don't know honestly. The other option I could think of is that JJ lied cause he was convinced that I'm scum and wanted to bet everything on that card. It's highly unlikely if it's indeed Sandro but I can't exclude it given the circumstances. I fakeclaimed DT in one of my first games and said I got a red check on the scum godfather so the scumteam basically tilted but they managed to get me lynched still and won the game. Other more likely option than a lying JJ is that scum didn't send night actions to the right host but it's not being accepted as option. Well it's probably inevitable that I go at this point. The night actions frame me too strongly so you have my seal of approval for my own lynch, just don't forget to lynch jcarl afterwards,also tell Mr. House I had found the last snow globe. | ||
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##Vote Vivax Cool story iamp way to sound like you're town when you're not. Even if you were, shooting a townie would have gotten me killed the day after, not two. Why don't you just vote me instead of trying to take credit for doubting me to be scum? | ||
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On March 10 2013 01:17 iamperfection wrote: Lol you actually shot your teammate gj Reading comprehension do you know what it is? More votes on me please i need a reason to be able to call y'all bad later. | ||
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Btw you made a mistake host geript was framed as guilty so he should have returned innocent to BH but he didn't | ||
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On March 13 2013 08:32 The Milkman wrote: Also, did you know that nobody guessed who I am? Crazy. Not yamato? GG bartender by the way, third party win isn't easy and that role didn't seem very strong at first glance until the boom. | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:09 Mocsta wrote: Dont see how If the JK on layabout went through.. OK. we mislynch layabout and then what come back to teh same conclusion.. where is teh missing KP OK there is WIFOM that layabout might have been shot (and hence the KP lost).. but he was never a serious target. Vivax would have been lynched the following cycle. No there was also the version where layabout was carrying out the kill. Big thanks to Greymist for hosting btw  | ||
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