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WeWinMafia needs to get himself another smurf acc for this game, not making sense if I'm in the game myself :p | ||
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On February 20 2013 10:34 The Milkman wrote: I am the Milkman. My milk is delicious. I don't like where this is going. | ||
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you meant puny I presume? :p | ||
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depends on your willingness do give me Caller like posting restrictions I'd say. Like "only allowed to post during night cycles" That one was a bitch... | ||
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On February 21 2013 09:39 Acrofales wrote: So many smurfs... you guys sure this isn't a Caller game? I can't remember who Vayesh is  I knew at one point. BC maybe?I don't know either. I know one of the guys smurfing is the guy who asked to borrow my smurf from last game though :3 Actually you can't be sure if it's really him again... I never explained why I called my smurf WeWinMafia, did I (and I guess I'm not allowed to either) ? :p | ||
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On February 21 2013 15:55 GreYMisT wrote: Oatsmaster and I decided to return the game to a more normal KP formula.I might use the previous one in a mini or something soon. did you decide on wether or not postingrestrictions are part of a normal game? Edit @Doc about the medics: Pretty sure they get a notification that they got shot and protected but not by whom. Standard procedure is: Medic-A, Vig-B, Target-C are in the game. A and B target C. A gets a notification à la "you successfully saved someone" (although that is changed sometimes), as well as C Edit2: Also I assume the Pardoner can't prevent the d1 lynch from happening, is that correct? | ||
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Wtf I only read this now: On February 19 2013 22:15 marvellosity wrote: Well fuck you too Toad, grush, and Vivax. A worrying start  | ||
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On February 22 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote: I thought Amsterdam was the highest country in the world. HEYOOOOOOO I think the country is called the netherlands! + Show Spoiler + I actually checked dict.cc to make sure this flame works properly and it's not that country can be used in other ways as in "state" and apparently it can be used in such ways. country [state, nation] Land {n} [Staat, Nation] country [state or nation] Staat {m} country [scenery, countryside] Gegend {f} country [terrain] Gelände {n} country [countryside, rural area] Land {n} [ländliche Gegend] country [region (with regard to its physical features)] Land {n} [Landstrich, Gegend] Long story short: While incredibly unlikely you meant it in another way it's possible in theory I guess?! Edit: Oh and I'd probably not be able to figure out east european countries either unless we're talking about special ones that stick in my memory for whatever bizarre reason. I always found estonia, Lithuania and Latvia to be really easy to remember, no idea why. | ||
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On February 22 2013 13:06 Acrofales wrote: Is Toad secretly Romanian? I am secretly awesome. Although it's not that much of a well kept secret. | ||
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On February 22 2013 23:14 Toadesstern wrote: Welcome to mafia LX where you can choose wether you want Toad, a guy you can't read unless you're Sandro himself or a smurf you can't read either as mayor. Oh VE is playing as well didn't even notice. Thought he's just spamming away the thread like marv is while being signed up with one of his smurfs. In this case, all hail mayor-VE. If you don't like to have VE as a mayor you'll have to dayvig him I guess. | ||
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On February 23 2013 01:27 Promethelax wrote: I mean, we could always just elect BC. He is pretty good. he's not in the game! And I consider every smurf a nobody until proven otherwise. | ||
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On February 24 2013 21:49 Promethelax wrote: Well I'll randomly lynch VE 1/25th of the time. Way more fun! isn't that what I said? It's just that I have psycho powers and now the random will in fact be VE! I could also tell you that I'm going to roll a town vet but that'd be kind of unfair I guess. | ||
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On February 26 2013 07:34 Promethelax wrote: I was hitting up people on irc, no positive response. Everyone pm your friends, we need one more in! syllo and Sandro don't want to, the rest like Marv, bugs and co are probably already in the game :p Makes it kind of hard to know who to ask. | ||
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On February 26 2013 08:09 geript wrote: You guys realize that I'm not a smurf right? he was referring to me! I'm just not bringing me 40k posts account in these games anymore. | ||
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No bodyguards means I'm not going to run for mayor :3 | ||
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On February 26 2013 08:52 Vivax wrote: RAAAARRRR yesss. Thanks for saving the day hassy. I'm town. ##Vote Toadesstern I'd usually say that guy knows what he's doing for trying to make me mayor but I don't want to | ||
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I am not going to lynch players D1 of whom I know that they are potentially very valuable townies, simply put: Vets. They deserve the right to have extra time, and mislynching them early is a huge loss for town. Those who I know/heard of are: Sandroba and Chezinu. If there are vets I don't know, please tell me. I expect these two to know other vets well. If you are a vets' smurf, then tell me you are a vet. I know someone who said the exact same thing (pretty much word for word) last time I played with a mayoral campaign. Are you trying to imitate someone milksuckler or did you just copy & paste? | ||
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lynching MilkSuckler seems like the way to go. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:11 MilkSuckler wrote: No shit Sherlock, thanks for admitting the humour in this. Vivax got it. sorry I don't remember every post from some nobody. Of course vivax got it because he's the guy who did the post in the first place... So how's it going bugs? | ||
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We could get 2 flies with one stone that way. Thoughts? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:18 Restraining Order wrote: As likely as the mayor is to do that, I'd wager. Well the options we have are usually: 1) Vote the mayor and he decides the lynch on his own. yes. That's all the options there usually are. The guys running for mayor are going to tell us their main reads / lynch candidates anyways and we could make sure to get make his/their reads come in 2nd. On February 26 2013 09:18 Promethelax wrote: Do you mean so that we can get rid of the pardoner role and make sure it doesn't stay in the game? Yes. I'm thinking about combining the lynch with getting rid of the pardoner by making the most likely lynch come in 2nd on purpose. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:23 Wade Fell wrote: I don't like the idea of sending a bunch of votes the way of our top scumread and strongly oppose this idea. well everyone knows that the guy is voted to be lynched. What's supposed to happen? A mafia last second voteswitch to make him 1st instead of 2nd? I'm perfectly happy with mafia outing multiple guys to make our lynchcandidate mayor instead lol. There's not going to be anyone who's like "well I want to lynch him so we should make him come in 2nd!" and 5 minutes later ends up saying "well I liked him as a lynch candidate but I like what he's saying right now, so let's make him mayor instead!" The only problem I see with it is that it is indeed hard to pull off and needs organization in terms of people knowing what's going to happen somewhat ahead of time. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:33 Wade Fell wrote: [...] I've seen a LOT of last minute shenanigans in recent games on TL Mafia. It's a disconcerting trend and you would be amiss to discount the possibility of that taking place here, led by either scum or town. People are bad. [...] yeah I guess. I thought about it pregame a bit and came to the conclusion that it's too hard to pull off and at the same time is restricting us timewise because we'd have to set on a lynch way ahead of time to make sure everyone knows what's going on, which basicly makes the day a 24h day instead of a 48h day. Wanted to see people's thoughts though and I don't exactly like your response to it unlike other ones. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:36 layabout wrote: urgh do i have to keep reading his posts? Toad, i want some sanity in here, are you sure your not running for mayor? It's not like you have bodyguards anyway... very unlikely unless there's going to be mass smurf-slips. I'm a huge fan of lynching vets d1 and this smurffest is making that really hard. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote: Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote: This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted. because again, the way you phrased that sounds awfully odd and I'm thinking of multiple explanations. None of them includes something you with a townie-mindset. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:21 Promethelax wrote: Because I wanted it to gain some real traction. I had an idea about actually getting close and withdrawing my nomination since if scum was up for lynch they'd be pushing me as mayor where if there was a townie up for lynch they'd be pushing against me. It's a plan that only works if I get support on it. That was the discussion I wanted to spark. why did you tell us about being just being a plattform to create talk with if you wanted it to get some real traction? That kind of counters your idea. I'd say you wanted to look like someone who wants to create discussion but wants to make sure he looks good. When it became too hot (and it didn't, the timing to go back on that was way to early if you wanted to achieve something, so you're overly defensive for whatever reason) for your idea you went ahead yelling GUYS GUYS, I BE TROLL LOL DON'T TAKE ME SERIOUS Do we have a dayvig? | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: why did you tell us about being just being a plattform to create talk with if you wanted it to get some real traction? That kind of counters your idea. I'd say you wanted to look like someone who wants to create discussion but wants to make sure he looks good. When it became too hot (and it didn't, the timing to go back on that was way to early if you wanted to achieve something, so you're overly defensive for whatever reason) for your idea you went ahead yelling GUYS GUYS, I BE TROLL LOL DON'T TAKE ME SERIOUS Do we have a dayvig? On a different note: In case we don't have a dayvig I'll support anyone who runs of the platform of lynching Promethelax. I'd bet VE's left ball that prom is mafia right now. Anyways it's late, my english reads like a mentally handicapped writing because I'm really tired and make mistakes all the time (2:30 am over here) so I'll go to bed now. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:31 Wade Fell wrote: He uses the word "dear" to refer to people, the only person who ever does this is Marvellosity, right? marv isn't that stupid. | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:44 Aquanim wrote: OK, I buy this. ##Vote: Wade Fell I'm still in favour of a lynch on Obvious because I feel like he overreacted to my pressure on him and since my interaction with him all he has is a filter page's worth of useless fluff. In fact, all of Obvious's filter is useless fluff. There's more than one scum in the game though and I agree, Prom's failure to actually try to make anything happen with his RNG gambit does not evoke towny feelings. the most important thing is that a townie prom who really wanted to get more discussion out of it than he did; that's what he himself said was his intention was when asked about why he's so "mad" would not have backed out of this 1 hour into the game because he's so scared about looking bad. A townie-Prom would have rode the train a little longer if his intentions was to create discussion instead of screaming like a I BE JOKING, PLS NO LYNCH ME like a little girl to, you know, create discussion instead of singlehandedly stopping all the discussion that could have been created that way by telling people his supposed to be intentions. While that might be a nooby-grush-like trait for most people (people doing something without thinking it through and therefore not knowing how to do what they want to do) I don't think prom is that bad as town and the girlish, screaming overdefensive tone, trying to make sure he's not looking bad while trying to create discussion sure does the rest. That begs the question why he's still alive. Perhaps we don't have a dayvig | ||
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On February 26 2013 19:53 Wade Fell wrote: If we did have one he wouldn't be able to fire day 1. oh that's actually true On February 26 2013 19:53 geript wrote: Also is wade Marv? very unlikely... | ||
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I like his behavior and responses to a couple of things. | ||
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On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Everytime someone says something like that I get the feeling they're not actually part of "town" themselves. Funny you're the one who said something like that, isn't it ? | ||
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On February 26 2013 22:08 Toadesstern wrote: Everytime someone says something like that I get the feeling they're not actually part of "town" themselves. Funny you're the one who said something like that, isn't it ? that is unless it's a post done 5 minutes prior to deadline with you yourself being the guy to be lynched. In that case it makes sense but we're not in that situation yet. | ||
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On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote: My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... | ||
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On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote: Come on man, stop with that megalomania. I understand that you have high mafia-esteem, but I just noticed that you are not the star of the show. That's all. I saw your games where you were one of the most sparkling ones. [...] Isn't that kind of contradicting itself? You expect me to be the star of the show and tell me I should have been more active around 4 to 5 am my time.. | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:17 The Milkman wrote: Toad, you made enough posts but just did not get into the front row. I am not attacking you for not playing 24h, I am just saying that you DID post but your presence was not as strong as it usually is. I said I'd be willing to bet VE's left ball on prom benig mafia and that we need to kill him. What exactly do you consider thread presence? Because it does sound like you don't consider me enough in people's faces from what I'm reading and quite frankly I don't think I can be more into peoples faces as I've been the first couple of hours this game. I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now. | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:25 Toadesstern wrote: I said I'd be willing to bet VE's left ball on prom benig mafia 2 hours into the game and that we need to kill him. What exactly do you consider thread presence? Because it does sound like you don't consider me enough in people's faces from what I'm reading and quite frankly I don't think I can be more into peoples faces as I've been the first couple of hours this game. I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now. EWBOP am in a game of dota right now so I'm only posting very quickly inbetween deaths :p | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:07 Vivax wrote: Let's lynch yamato, for glory. who's yamato? He's really easy to read if you know it's him so I'd appreciate the help. But yeah macho is iamp :p | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:16 Vivax wrote: It's obvious milkman is yamato. Actually not sure if I want to lynch him. His head over heels blind frothing aggressiveness would mean he's likely town. But his points are so stupid and his behaviour so anti-town that I really feel like. if he's yamato he is almost certainly town. Like the townies mofo that ever towned a town. And that's something in a game with iamp. Though I haven't checked him out to see if he's actually town this game. Was kind of busy owning mafia and playing dota inbetween. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:20 Vivax wrote: Toad, you seem disinterested in communicating your own reads and happy with the thread's direction. Am I right with this? how do you get that idea I'm disinterested in communicating my own reads? Communicating my own reads is the reason we're where we are yet because again, I was the guy who just said what was on his mind while people like laya / VE and later on other people only ended up saying "yeah saw that as well Toad, agree". I'm still having some troubles with some of those and wonder why they didn't just mention it themselves if they saw it as concerning themselves but I there's no reason to go into that right now. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:26 The Milkman wrote: You should not base your read on who I might be, but rather who I am right now. The point of a smurf is to throw meta out of the way and that's what I want to achieve with me smurfing. I don't care about what you want to achieve with it. If meta helps me read you I'll use it no matter if you like it or not. Sad thing I don't know if Vivax is basing his assumption on something or just spouting nonsense. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote: I think you're unusually sheepy and happy with just sitting around with your vote on VE, you're usually more "dominant" as town. name one thing where I sheeped someone. Just one thing in this game. Right now. About how "dominant" I usually am... again I said I'd bet VE's left ball on prom being mafia 2 hours into the game. How much more dominant do you want me to be? I usually stop repeating myself after saying the same thing 3 times or something like that and I think everyone understands what my reads are about now. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:32 The Milkman wrote: Okay, if you are so set on me being yamato77, then so be it. I guess I should be happy that someone thinks I am town, but the way you created your reasoning is not exactly one I'd like to be made. that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if I get confirmation on it I'll use it. Sadly I don't have cofirmation, like I just said in the post you quoted. That's the point of the big IF in my sentence. I don't know wether you're Yamato or not, but if you are you're town. You're not a townread at all to me. | ||
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I don't either. Why don't you? | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote: Why do you want us to write a defence for the guy you want to lynch? wrong answer. If the guy you quoted is town he is open minded and if your defense proves is suspicion on prom to be incorrect he'll be happy to tell you so and look for someone else. You don't tell people to do only stuff that aligns with your thoughts... It is concering that he wants people to explain a lack of scuminess though. That's just not going to happen. There's no point in defending prom for anyone in this game unless your name is prom or you have someone you consider to be far more scummy. The first one is irrelevant, the second one is done by explaining why you think guy-#2 is scummier and should be an option as well. So while the question might look decent and open minded it's actually really naive to assume something like that would help at all. | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh, bad memory. You're right, you weren't even involved. I wanted to get him out of the way as quickly as possible. So I admit to that. Thank god Marvellosity and Mattchew aren't in this game or I'd be trying to lynch Mattchew for what Marvel said and vice-versa. how do you know Matt isn't in the game? | ||
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I'll shamelessly quote myself from the mafia awards 2013 thread: 2 Nominations from LIX 1) Vivax for WTF-Award, from BC's TL Mafia LIX http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=104#2071 into http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=104#2074 into http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=105#2084 TL;DR Sup guys I'm a DT, it's D2 and I've got a red check on Gonzaw, but let's lynch the mayor (Marv) who succesfully lynched mafia d1 instead because we can just go for the big fish and Gonzaw (red check) already used his joat powers after all. After lynching Marv we should probably lynch Toad, the sheriff who ended up being sheriff with exactly as many votes as my red check Gonzaw, just comming in as second because he had 4 votes sooner. Once those two are dead we can lynch my red check and 5 other guys. [...] That's the guy you're dealing with... On a sidenote: Hassy you here? | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not going to put up with people being always allowed to suck because everyone is too afraid to point a finger at someone for being bad based on meta. If it were up to me people like kenpachi/grush57 would be banned for life but since that won't happen at least I can hope after getting lynched a billion times for being bad town they might take a hint and reexamine the way they play the game. What Vivax is doing is consistent with the things I look for to find scum, so I'm not backing down just because he was a stupid town in another game. awesome. I'll ignore you when it comes to problematic people. As long as you agree on Prom being the primary lynch as well though that's fine for now and given your case that does seem to be the case. VE how are the waffles? | ||
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Wouldn't mind voting you as I'm not that certain about VE and he could waffle his way out of the lynch by doing some horsecrap like lynching Vivax or OO with bitter poor reasoning like "duh, I thought they're better lynches than prom" out of nowhere 5 minutes prior to deadline... | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:14 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad seems pretty consistently trying to discredit me, I guess I'm just wondering if he intends to do any scumhunting this cycle. He's clamboring for credit for the Prom lynch which I also find interesting considering his relative lack of thread presence. U scum Toad? let's wait and see how Prom flips. Pretty sure he'll confirm me as town. As I said, there's no need to clutter the thread up like other people are doing and I already said getting prom lynched is the most important thing for this cycle. I made most people agree with my stand on the matter. There's nothing else to be said right now and everything I would say would be repetitive. Where am I trying to discredit you? I just saw you agreeing with me on prom but you ended up twice waffeling about some other target you'd like to lynch as well making it sound like you're not certain about the lynch at all. That being said ##unvote ##vote DrH | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:26 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh stands confused. It has come as a thought that the death of the man in black so early in this worlds plight would only reveal trails leading to ones guilt, not a path to ones light. I think he'll flip red. | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:29 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh believes the toad on a boat has missed the point. The death of the partying man says nothing of the colour of the other vessels of this world in positive light. Only those who find themselves damned by foolish motions will understand the partiers plight Well there's really no point in discussing this now, is there? No matter if you agree with me or not, there's absolutely no point in you asking me this as of now, is there? | ||
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On February 27 2013 06:33 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh believes reason exists. For the amphibian believes he will be confirmed a bringer of light as a result of the prom mans plight. Reason would suggest that a twisted logic like the one sung must be unstrung. well if he does flip red there's no way I'm mafia. If he's somehow going to flip green it's back to null/whatever you've got me on based on my thread presence (should be pretty obvious townie) I guess but I'm quite confident. On February 27 2013 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote: This day is about finding scum. To that end I'm using what is within my power, being the lynch if I'm mayor, to force contribution from those I feel that pressure will work on. You'll notice that Vivax and OO are in here happily chatting away - whether that's a direct result of being threatened with the lynch or not is up for debate, but the fact remains that if we focus on one person to the exclusion of all else (which you seem to be doing) then today is a complete waste. ESPECIALLY if that person flips town, though I seriously doubt that to be possible where Prom is concerned. You know this, why do I have to waste thread space telling the rest of town this? Because you're attempting to discredit me. I'm asking you why, and I want you to answer me. I can support DocH for mayor too if he wants it - in fact I prefer him to WF - but I prefer myself above everyone because I AM confident in my reads and I KNOW my alignment, rather than only guessing WF's or Doc's. All nice and fine. Until 10 minutes ago I was the only one who voted you at all and I decided to change my vote to DrH because he seems more set on lynched who I want lynched than you are. I'm not discrediting you. I'm saying the I don't want to have some unexpected suprise and DrH is more clear about his intentions than you are. Got a problem with that? | ||
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On February 27 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah okay. Well here's where I'm at. MilkSuckler, Toadesstern, Promethelax Clearly you've seen how Toad is trying to take credit for the Prom lynch. Milk did the same thing directly after WF's case. They have both been downright indignant about it. What do you make of that? For my part I take it as scummy. I'm town, and my thoughts when others agreed was "whew" not "That bastard is trying to take credit for what I DID!" The scrambling for acknowledgement of their contributions to the upcoming lynch reads as trying to soak up town cred to me. question: Do you consider what you said about me a scumtrait considering you know me? Because frankly you know I'm quite self centered and I don't mind not getting credit for stuff I'm doing but I do mind if other people get credit for it and I get insulted at at the same time. So I usually end up rubbing it in for said people to have some fun and to make them realize how stupid they are. As mafia I'm way more careful with controling my own emotions and you know that. I'm way more looking at stuff like that while I just don't care for that kind of stuff as town because I assume everyone knows I'm town anyways (given the skype conversations with people outside the game it isn't a far fetched call at all). | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone. Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating. Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax Gg no re If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then? Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good. If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time. you really need to add Grush to your list. Imo Grush is quite clearly not town this game. I'd probably even lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On February 27 2013 17:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: grush57 is one of the worst players i've ever seen and im in no state of mind to try to work out what the nuances are between his usual uselessness and his scum uselessness he's more actively useless and more in your face when town. He usually tries to push some kind of bullshit screaming at people, yelling and kicking at the same time. Pretty sure he's not town. | ||
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when town he's a 10th of iamP, 10th of Yamato and that than combined with someone else like Vivax / Kenpachi when mafia he's just the latter part. | ||
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On February 27 2013 18:00 VisceraEyes wrote: He's also usually a lynch candidate to spur what you're referencing and failing that there's no difference to any game he's ever played ever. whatever. I most likely nailed mafia 2 hours into the game. I'm pretty sure I'm giving you the second one right now and you're mad because I'm voting Dr.H isntead of you. Get over yourself and stop being a whiny little girl. See you around deadline. Not going to keep on dealing with you. | ||
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On February 27 2013 18:06 VisceraEyes wrote: You have no idea what you're talking about - you're clearly not even reading the thread because I said I PREFER if DocH is the mayor at this point. Why should I give a shit who you think is Mafia WHEN YOU'RE CLEARLY NOT EVEN READING THE FUCKING THREAD? I am reading the thread. You kept on bitching about how I am discrediting you when I was the only guy in the game who VOTED you at that point in time saying you're a way better alternative than BH. I ended up saying I feel more comfident in DrH not pulling some bullshit on us at the deadline because he's way more focused than you are and keep yelling at me that I'm discrediting you, which is an outright lie. So yeah, I assumed you were mad at me for voting DrH because nothing you said around that time made any kind of sense. Yes now I'm discrediting you, just like you are discrediting me for the past 24 hours. Anyways, like I said I won't keep up dealing with you anymore, just wanted to get this out at least once to make sure there's not some kind of retard telling me I just ended up abandonning the thread... | ||
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On February 28 2013 02:30 layabout wrote: Can we get a few more votes onto dr.h so he can be pardoner? I think i prefer VE as mayor since his reads are better but we should really sort this out. Also dr.h did you find any substance on jcarl? VE tries to get me lynched. Does not compute. | ||
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On February 28 2013 03:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad do something then. Quit complaining about how "VE pickin on me " and fucking hunt scum. Yeah, you called out Prom early on. Me too, remember? With original content, in addition to agreeing with your point. The difference is that I'm laboring to find more scum, while you're content to just ride the Prom lynch to the end and do nothing else. You're useless to town right now. if you'e town, then we obviously have a problem.nah | ||
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On February 28 2013 05:10 TestSubject893 wrote: Skimming through the thread at work. I think we can definitely make Prome as the pardoner happen if we coordinate, and at this point VE, WF, and DrH all are similar as mayor to me. For this reason I'm changing my vote in a hope to eliminate the Pardoner role. ##Vote: Promethelax yeah I like the idea if we're able to make it happen but we have to be careful. With my vote on prom it's now 3 for from and he has to be be above 2nd (which is something like 6?) and still way below first. Also to make sure there's not going to be some bullshit happening tonight. so ##vote prom If you want to make it happen PLEASE POST IN HERE to make sure we have a steady count on how many votes prom has and don't have ninjavoters. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:13 TestSubject893 wrote: Can you elaborate? he's kind of trying to get my lynched but if we can make prom pardoner there's no way he can pull some bullshit on us. votecount right now would be: VE (9) Promethelax, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, grush57, randombum, WaveofShadow Wade Fell (6) DoctorHelvetica, Aquanim, vivax, JungleJorge, Chezinu, ObviousOne DoctorHelvetica (6): Milksuckler, layabout, VayeshMoru, jcarlsoniv, The Milkman, glurio Prome (3): geript, TestSubject893, Toadesstern If I'm not mistaken, which is hard to tell because the most recent votecount grey did is wrong and I took it as my basis. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:35 grush57 wrote: VE, I bet all my starsenses on Toad being scum. I'm sure of it. Lynch him. is it because I said you're mafia? | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:38 Vivax wrote: Everything has its context VE, a hassy doing what he does with his past history is not the same as MilkSuckler, of which the post isn't nearly as aggressive as Suckler's anyway. I don't want Helvetica elected. My vote goes to Prom as pardoner unless Helvetica becomes mayor, then I'll try to get either VE or BH in as mayor. I don't need a dude with a terrible read on me in that position. VE at least knows my town meta. ##Vote Prom that makes it VE (9) Promethelax, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, grush57, randombum, WaveofShadow Wade Fell (5) DoctorHelvetica, Aquanim, JungleJorge, Chezinu, ObviousOne DoctorHelvetica (6): Milksuckler, layabout, VayeshMoru, jcarlsoniv, The Milkman, glurio Prome (4): geript, TestSubject893, Toadesstern, Vivax Laya next? That way we'd have VE on 9 and everyone else on 5. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:43 TestSubject893 wrote: Can you explain this to me? I can't wrap my head around it without wild speculation. he wants to have to lynch me and say "well I was really certain!". He can't do that once prom is pardoner anymore There's absolutely no reason to have one of VE or drH as pardoner. The role does nothing for town, there are no bodyguards, the only help might be pseudo protection from NKs if mafia have multiple shots for nights and choose to leave the pardoner alive to hope he's going to use it, but with both stating that they're not going to use it they both know they're going to get lynched if they're using it, as in it won't happen. So really I have no idea what VE is doing. You're not helping VE. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:49 Wade Fell wrote: I believe both VE and DrH are town, so I'm not worried about one of them being the pardoner. If I'm the pardoner, I won't use the power, since I am town. Due to the possibility of shenannies I will not be casting a vote electing anyone who I don't think is town. do you see a reasoning for a "probably" townie to be elected as pardoner in favor of someone who's going to be dead? | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:54 Wade Fell wrote: This is a begging question. "Toadesstern, when did you stop beating your wife": of course, you never beat your wife. The choice isn't between electing the lynch target pardoner, and electing someone pardoner. The choice is between giving votes to someone who's townie and giving votes to someone who's scum, thereby taking a risk that shenannies happen. I won't espouse a complex plan. We do this simple and we do it right. No shenannies. Just tell me what you're afraid of. Mafia pulling 5 members to last minute voteswitch on prom? Who cares lol. That's 5 outed mafias. Prom is set to lynch and we're perfectly fine to pull this off. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:03 Wade Fell wrote: Or some group of well-intentioned but terrible townies (perhaps with scum leading or joining them) decides that the towniest player is actually JJ or something crappy like that, and votes flow from VE to him, and the day ends with the VE majority split across them, and Prom has the most votes. This kind of thing happens ALL the time, and the only reason it hasn't boned us in the past is we haven't done something foolish like give a scum player the second-most number of votes. No plan survives contact with reality, and I will _not_ support such a wrongheaded plan that could potentially give Prom this power. What, do you have a scumread on DrH? no, why should I? But he's not confirmed. Some in here even said they won't treat us as confirmed even if prom flips red so I don't see a reason to give anyone the spot unless it's prom if we're able to do it. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:13 TestSubject893 wrote: I'm heading out real quick, should be back in 45 minutes or so. Right now, I think people need to be moving their votes off VE, whether they want Prome as pardoner or not. If VE can't be bothered to explain his vote, he does not deserve our trust in either elected role. we all want prom dead. Worst case is VE being mafia and still lynching prom because there's no way he'll get away with anything else. Don't make this complicated, we're sticking with what we're doing right now. Get votes of DrH and Wade, get votes on VE. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:17 The Milkman wrote: Okay VE. I should stay up late I guess so I can help you guys out. you're voting VE as of right now. That way we only have to adjust the Wade voters. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:20 Toadesstern wrote: you're voting VE as of right now. That way we only have to adjust the Wade voters. my bad, just saw you already did it. Thanks. | ||
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Wade Fell (6): DoctorHelvetica, Aquanim JungleJorge, Chezinu, ObviousOne, Wade Fell Would be willing to switch to VE that would be awesome. Most likely DrH and Aquanim imo. The other ones are somewhat weird and I don't want to trust them, either because they're weird or openly stated that they don't want to for no apparent reason. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm here but care very little about any of this. I'll vote for VE if that makes this easier. it does. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote: I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has? Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote: VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote: Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party I don't want him in office. I have to deal with him being in office though. That's the issue. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:46 VayeshMoru wrote: Straight up lie. given how many votes have been swapped getting drH or BH into office would have been easily possible. We also have both seen vote swings done in the past that put people into power or into being lynched no one thought would happen in the last few hours / minutes. if you wanted someone else you would have pushed for it. I don't really feel like it given that I asked to be replaced out or I'll ragequit this game because of VE. I'm sadly not allowed to do either so again, I'll have to deal with his stupidity and the way I do that is by flaming back everytime he shoots at me and trying to ignore him as much as I can in the meantime. Yeah I know completly ignoring him would be better but it doesn't work that way for me. For references something from 2 (? or 3?) games ago. Talking with syllo (he wasn't in the game): + Show Spoiler + Original Message From syllogism: Okay, I just hope you won't do that when I'm playing =P | ||
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On February 28 2013 08:09 Wade Fell wrote: I'm just gonna say before i'm legit out of here, that I alone can be trusted unfailingly lynch toad and I will make the best use of the 2x vote. I laid serious smackdown on Toad (link), I brought Aquanim around (link) and evolved my position on JJ (link) in response to new evidence. I've demonstrated clearly that I should be the Mayor (link) and you could not go wrong elected me. My opponents think I'm a great mayoral candidate, and want me to be mayor even! A vote for WF is a vote for Justice! this message sponsored by WF for Mayor 2013 I'm kind of concerned when reading this. | ||
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So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me. Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged. See you tomorrow. | ||
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Oh and yeah agree with Laya, MachoMan does look bad, probably even worse than Grush simply because it's IamP. IamP is literally the easiest guy to read on TL if he's town. No exaggeration. He's literally the easiest guy to read if he roles town. I haven't gotten him down as town so far. Have to check his filter again to make sure it's not laziness from my point of view though. Will comment on him in 16 hours or something like that. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh, cool. Gj guys. I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself... I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:12 MilkSuckler wrote: Disagree entirely. And its been obvious you have been ramping up for this the entire D1 cycle. All you did was point out an inconsistency in Prome play. - and then disappear from the thread to play DOTA That doesnt make you town. The people that fleshed out the case with scum behavioral analysis were people like Dr.H and Wade Fell (myself I believe too). are certainly not purporting to being confirmed town... so it is curious you care so much about your image to enforce this belief among town immediately. ========= Toad.. give me 3 good well-reasoned points to why Grush is town. And association with prome does NOT count... prome could have stuck up for starsenses regardless of alignment. I called for a dayvig on him saying I'm not going to lynch anyone besides prom 2 hours into the game because that's how certain I was about him. On February 26 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote: prom could you respond to what I (and VE in response) said over here: because again, the way you phrased that sounds awfully odd and I'm thinking of multiple explanations. None of them includes something you with a townie-mindset. On February 26 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote: why did you tell us about being just being a plattform to create talk with if you wanted it to get some real traction? That kind of counters your idea. I'd say you wanted to look like someone who wants to create discussion but wants to make sure he looks good. When it became too hot (and it didn't, the timing to go back on that was way to early if you wanted to achieve something, so you're overly defensive for whatever reason) for your idea you went ahead yelling GUYS GUYS, I BE TROLL LOL DON'T TAKE ME SERIOUS Do we have a dayvig? On February 26 2013 10:29 Toadesstern wrote: On a different note: In case we don't have a dayvig I'll support anyone who runs of the platform of lynching Promethelax. I'd bet VE's left ball that prom is mafia right now. Anyways it's late, my english reads like a mentally handicapped writing because I'm really tired and make mistakes all the time (2:30 am over here) so I'll go to bed now. On February 28 2013 09:12 grush57 wrote: The mafia in fruity did the exact thing of what you just said. And neither VE nor Laya would do that imo. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:17 jcarlsoniv wrote: Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town. It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it. Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what. Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:21 The Milkman wrote: Before that Layabout asked for a kill on WadeFell, so what gives? Prom flipped mafia. I pointed out a scumslip that everyone besides Laya and VE ignored when I went to bed. That's what gives. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:22 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok, I acknowledge that logic. However, that doesn't make them 100% townie in my eyes, nor does it make you 100% townie - especially considering how hard you were trying to make sure EVERYONE knows it was your idea. I know they're not 100% town, neither am I for you guys... I'm using that word assuming everyone knows that when I use it means "pretty much really likely town" and not actually mod confirmed... Mostly because it's shorter saying that. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote: What's this going to be. Lynch credit wars? Come on. I saw Toad bus his teammate D1 like, with the second or third vote and push for the lynch. We need to find other reasons for people being town or scum than purely voted for/defended a flipped guy. If anything we need to look for people being too sure about Prom's alignment prematurely. That's actually a lie and exactly the reason I mention it. I was something like the 7th vote on Yamato after he went pretty much afk. It just looked way better postd1 because 5 people unvoted him and I ended up in position 3 in the votelist :p That was actually pointed out by Sandro in the game as well. There's is definetly a difference here. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:27 The Milkman wrote: Wasn't that a scumslip but just a contradiction in his actions? no it was a scumslip. He did A, when asked about why said he wants B, when asked why he wants B said he wants A which means he outright lied about his reasoning and made it up, like pointed out already. I actually asked people outside of the game if Prom is someone who lies a lot to cover up mistakes he did instead of just being honest when being town to make sure he's not town :p | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote: I checked fruity again, you were indeed something along 6th or 7th voting for yamato Toad. Your version also coincides with what I see in your filter. Can we now finally go on to discuss tomorrow's lynches? I suggest Hassy for now for avoiding to give an opinion at all. JJ gives me doubts since his defence of Prom was pretty bold and I can't imagine mafia actually playing that badly, so I'll wait to see what he brings to the table in the future. if anything Hassy is a potential vig candidate, not a lynch candidate. Though again I'm actually quite confident that at least one of Macho+Grush is mafia, probably both which doesn't leave that many mafias and there still has to be a vet within team mafia. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Toad... The day vig request is pointless. Thy cant shoot day1 Having said that i find it unlikely u put him under that pressure day1 as scum. Not impossible though. Same goes to Ve. His uncertainty end of lynch was terribad toad. Im still waiting for three reasons for grush to be scum Yeah sorry I didn't know dayvigs can't shoot d1. Someone pointed that out later on, though you can believe me I tried to get him shot About grush I only have one and it's a pretty good one; he's not town. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:46 The Milkman wrote: Well that vet point is a little moot given smurfs. host knows about smurfs, doesn't he? Unless you're telling me we shouldn't lynch into vets because of vets because I totally agree with that. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:50 Toadesstern wrote: host knows about smurfs, doesn't he? Unless you're telling me we shouldn't lynch into vets because of smurfs because I totally agree with that. EBWOP changes in bold. | ||
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On February 28 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote: Pls expound why ur point 1 is indicative of scum it's not at unless prom's in his first game of mafia which I'm pretty sure he's not. To be fair I can't tell you why he's mafia at all and I doubt anyone in here will be able to provide anything like that no matter of alignment because it's Grush but I am reeeeally certain he's not town. That only leaves mafia and maybe 3rd party to me, don't you agree? Just trust me again and you'll be happy :3 | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:20 MilkSuckler wrote: I didnt trust your read on prome before.. or anyone elses. I made my own decision on prome, and provided my own analysis. Lets assume Grush *IS* scum. Lets assume we dont know Grush *alignment* - which for me is the situation At least you admit outright you got nothing on him.. However, i am still surprised someone of your forum-mafia pedigree is treating this as valid scum hunting though? I have nothing? I'm about as certain about Grush as I was about prom. If there's no way he's town that's a pretty damn good reason to lynch him. And no, if we know his alignment to be red we don't wait and lynch him 4th or 5th trying to find other mafias first... don't pull a vivax on me... | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:35 MilkSuckler wrote: The 4th/5th candidate was because it reminded me of Mafia LIX with Oatsmaster. Me n Marv were dead certain on oats...WBG (and IIRC you) were opposed. we left him be (and chased higher profile targets like Chezinu) in the end, a scum oats didnt do much even being the 5th guy eliminated... which is a similar sentiment to a scum grush i believe. No that's not correct. Firstly because both bugs and I were fine with lynching him (if I remember correctly) and it was just about the order of people lynched. The difference was that we thought we had 3 confirmed mafias around that time in oats, Chez and BKE. We're not in that situation at all. On February 28 2013 10:32 MilkSuckler wrote: One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves: Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scum ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle,I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later* Noone voted prom because of the rnd-thingie... that could have been something a townie did and in fact is probably more likely a towntell than a mafiatell on itself. People voted him because he slipped, showing that his supposed to be intentions didn't lign up with his explanations of his intentions. In fact they completly excluded each other like someone saying "I'm trying to extinguish the fire!" while holding a lighter and a torch in his hands. Anyways, there is absolutely no reason for going on a witchhunt when the most likely explanation is that everyone in that list is just town. Actually no idea about Wade, haven't read what he said about prom but we're going after people who are looking bad for looking bad, not after people looking bad for looking to good... | ||
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On February 28 2013 10:49 geript wrote: No Toad, that doesn't explain why VE wanted to get credit for Prome instead of you. It doesn't even make sense that he's faulting you for trying to gain town cred when he's doing the same thing. I don't even care. He did the right thing for whatever reason. I don't think he'd do that as mafia so early on. For all I care he could be sitting in his room rolling dices to figure out who to vote and it'd still make him look good given the timing. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:16 The Macho Man wrote: when i feel like it brah i lik mye town reads they are easier and almost always right. it's pretty damn hard to be wrong on a town read lol :p Shoot grush or Machoman, going to bed, cya later. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/FOvcYUh.gif) | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:39 grush57 wrote: Hmm, while I agree it's day 1 and mayor vote. If he doesn't pick up then yes, he is scum. Shoot thiss guy. RIGHT NAO | ||
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On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another. This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well. not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target. I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now. | ||
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On March 01 2013 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Also fuck you Mocsta, I'll bad town you. For the record I agree I'm lurking more than I expected to but being in school all day and having a 2-month old kid to take care of all night will do that to you. I'm not sure why you automatically gravitate to the VE vote count for analysis, btw. VE already mentioned it: He didn't want to be mayor, he rage'ed around the deadline and he was pretty damn unreasonable when he raged. All points that should make someone question VE and yet people ended up voting him as mayor, which is somewhat weird unless it's a "fuck this DrH guy!" attitude going around. I actually agree with him. People voting VE without proper reason are weird because they should have at least stumbled upon his later posts doubting him but they apparently didn't. | ||
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On March 01 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Uh...here's my proper reason: This was quite a while before the lynch, well before VE started going nuts. Yes he was flip-flopping a bit and so i could've voted Dr.H instead (didn't want to vote BH, didn't like his single-mindedness) but meh. I wasn't going to be around and VE was a decently safe vote. Hell I even left my vote on him and warned him before I left. Simple as that. You're welcome to dive into my filter to find more Mocsta, but in my opinion it probably makes more sense to confirm higher-priority targets for tonight/tomorrow like people's thoughts on Vivax or Hassy. I personally have another in mind, but as I said, it's coming. oh I didn't say I agree with him that you're red. I agree with the general assumption VE made and that's the reasoning for the post. I didn't actually look in that kind of stuff at all yet because I think we've got better ways to deal with people and better peopel to target straight away. | ||
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On March 01 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Toad explain your grush read if you don't mind he's not town imo. | ||
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On March 01 2013 07:26 jcarlsoniv wrote: Also, concerning Toad: He never made any response or acknowledgement to this post I made (as far as I know) I ignored it because I don't understand what you're trying to say. I use the phrase "confirmed townie" for people that are looking really townish, people who are almost really confirmed because there is no such thing as a confirmed townie anyway and saying "this guy is really reall really really really likely to be town because of X" is way longer than saying "confirmed townie" when everyone knows how I'm using it. | ||
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On March 01 2013 07:43 layabout wrote: As in toad brought attention to yamato and was one of the first votes on him vivax should know that Toad would do this as scum, Toad also discussed how he had know problems bussing teammates early on. (if you want to read if Toad was smurfing as wewinmafia) that's a lie, as already mentioned and shown. Not sure if I gave links but I'm pretty sure Vivax accused me of this bullshit already somewhere down the road and I called bullshit on him. | ||
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There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it. I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely. Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia. Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid. Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true. That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said. | ||
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On March 01 2013 08:40 layabout wrote: Must of misremember then. I would swear you have talked about bussing or calling out your teammates and that it's something you have done before. Not saying you did it this game though. the point was that I was actually really late on yamato and only ended up being 3rd on his vote because 4 or 5 people who voted him before me unvoted him after I voted him so I went from 7th vote on yamato to 3rd in fruity. Also I did that on purpose because marv was in the game and I posted in the newbie game I coached to never bus your teammates d1 unless you know that they can take it. So I was telling yamato what to post and how to deal with it to make sure it's not happening but it still was happening... Btw posted the above so early because I'm playing dota and want to make sure I don't end up being too late: p | ||
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On March 01 2013 09:27 The Milkman wrote: Now that is a roleblock I can understand. What do you make of Vivax claiming rb as well? it's 1:30 in the morning and I'm playing dota. I have no idea what happend. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [27.02.2013 12:58:52] Erik: yamato keeps telling me I'm mafia because I wasn't agressive enough and stopped being agressive after the first 2 or 3 hour (duh, after the first 2 hours it's 4 am german time...) [27.02.2013 12:59:42] Erik: how can I be more agressive than calling for a dayvig 2 hours into the game betting VE's left ball on the guy being mafia.. [27.02.2013 13:00:17] Erik: it's like there's this aura of retardation when people who aren't called Syllo, Sand or Marv are dealing with me [27.02.2013 13:04:06] Erik: the worst part really is people telling me I'm mafia because of "insert Town-trait here"... that's just so annoying [27.02.2013 13:04:31] Erik: like the biggest difference in meta imo is that when I'm town I don't mind about emotions at all, which leads to the hypno-toad kind of thing [27.02.2013 13:04:44] Erik: as mafia I'm controlling that stuff because I have to to not look odd [27.02.2013 13:04:53] Erik: and I'm getting told I'm mafia because of that.. [27.02.2013 13:05:26] XXX: yeah [27.02.2013 13:05:37] XXX: and you can't defend yourself with it either which is also very annoying That's pretty much the reason I was mad earlier. I've got this bullshit 3 times in a row now. I've been told I'm mafia last game because "Toad posts a lot of walls of text! He isn't doing that when he rolls town! LYNCH HIM". This time it's not being agressive enough early on while it's 2 am or because "lynch was too easy, let's lynch Toad", or because of "Toad badding his own back, must be mafia!" when everyone knows that I regulary do that as town when I'm mad to rub it into peoples faces and I don't do that as mafia. Check Mafia L for example... I told people Palmar is town d1, told people Sandro is mafia d1, people lynched Palmar and later on Sandro and EVERYONE was mad at me because "how does Toad know Palmar is town when everyone thought he's mafia and how did you know Sandro was mafia so early on?" and everyone in the game tried to lynch me for that although it isn't even a mafiatrait in the slightest. Okay back to this game: VE basicly said I'm mafia because I'm so egocentrical and focused about myself which again, is a towntrait for me and when confronted with it answered "duh, you know about it. Meta you know about yourself isn't worth a damn". No shit sherlock, knowledge about my own meta and the assumption that I can play and confuse you with that makes it a null though if you really think so and not a mafiatrait. So if you want me to answer something give me something that I can answer. I'm not going to explain why something that is a towntrait really is a towntrait this game as well and not some fancy mafiaploy from me because there's no possible way to do that. When you want to lynch me because "well Toad looks really good with the d1 lynch but he looks too good! Must have been a bus! LYNCH HIM" there's nothing I can do about it. That's why I told Greymist I'm going to stop being mad about people being bad and will just ignore them from now on (you probably know the timing of that one). I'm still sticking to that promise. See you in 48hours. | ||
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I'm a bit more certain on him. Also people seem to agree about him which makes it less likely I'm wrong about him. | ||
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On March 01 2013 21:13 Aquanim wrote: What exactly makes him scummier than Hassybaby? haven't read his filter once so far so no idea about Hassy and to me he's a vig target not a lynch target. But I guess there's no vigs or people like grush / Hassy / Macho would be dead around now... | ||
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On March 01 2013 23:27 iamperfection wrote: fuck you flood control i got more to say Anyone not voting for toad has to explain to me how him not caring about this lynch at all is not the scummiest thing ever committed. I'm not afk. I said I'm going to ignore everything that is said about me that is impossible to talk about, like all the bullshit about how I am supposed to be mafia bussing prom, because there's no way to defend or say anything against that kind of stuff because you're literally saying "toad looks too townish to be town, got to be a mafialploy". I'm still here reading and answering stuff that is worth being answered. Just like this one because you don't seem to understand what I said, or at least intended to say. | ||
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On March 01 2013 23:16 The Macho Man wrote: you claiming scum? 1.thats not an explanation at all 2. it looks like you dont give a shit about this lynch if your gonna afk for 48 hours 3. thats is scummy as fuck i will be here as always you could at leat have tried to make a case toad you could of but are you afraid that my attention is not divided my townieness will start to burn like it always does. your checking out makes no sense. okay just once as an example what I'm talking about: 1) exactly, because there's nothing to explain. Ask me what you want me to explain and I'll do it. Stop telling me to answer stuff like "Toads meta is nothing like it was in furity but I don't like it, so lynch him" because I can't explain or defend against something like that if there's no point to it to begin with. 2) That's actually true but I'm not afking for 48hours. 3) What I said about 1. Tell me what you consider scummy. I can't answer like that. I'm getting this crap from the very beginning of this game up until now and people are like "woah toad is totally ignoring it!"... | ||
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On March 01 2013 23:51 The Macho Man wrote: um excuse me the way you defend yourself is to hunt scum not being all whiny that people arent giving you enough town cred. and you SHOULD know that. I do. I got prom lynched d1. I'm pretty damn certain you and/or Grush are mafia. Noones listening to anything I say with all the paranoia VE started for no apparent reason anyways so no I'm not going to bother explaining more than I already did and I did. | ||
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On March 01 2013 23:53 The Macho Man wrote: if you are going to be here and going to help find scum then i dont think your scummy at all. But when someone says lynch this guy and says they are going to afk then yes i would think that is a scum claim what part of: "You're mafia and I figured out prom 2 hours into d1 bitches" don't you understand? | ||
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On March 01 2013 23:56 jcarlsoniv wrote: Ok, here, instead of asking a question directly about you: Could you possibly explain why macho is scum? Iamp is the easiest guy to read on TL when he's town. He's being an ass, not being scared about anything he says, saying everything what's on his mind no matter if it makes sense or not and basicly a WBG-junior just without being as much correct about what he's saying. He completly and utterly lacks the ability to bring said "I don't care / I'm not afraid / I say what I want to say" attitude to the table when roling mafia and I didn't see it at all d1, and only very little sparks of it d2. | ||
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On March 02 2013 00:04 The Macho Man wrote: well it doesn't really matter since you wont be able to get me lynched even if you do try since this game now has my full attention. Since your not lynching me want to kill hasy with me? Awesome, so I explain it and the answer is "well it doesn't really matter because noone listens to you anyways"... yeah not exactly what you said but that's about it. And you still don't understand my point of view for not caring at all? For people who don't know about it, read TL Mafia LVIII, the exact same thing happened, everyone got suspicious about me for bullshit reasons, I ended up saying "well if noone is willing to listen to me might as well lurk for the next 48 hours, see you at deadline, here are my reads I've got:XXXX". VE got in the thread telling people I claimed mafia if said post and that everyone needs to lynch me because town-toad would not ever post like that, they lynched me, I flipped town, we lost the game. Just saying. | ||
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I can't really ignore it when trying to analyze him so I'm ignoring him altogether and won't help on that matter. I shouldn't bring it in the thread because I'd consider that to be unfair. | ||
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On March 02 2013 00:13 The Macho Man wrote: i was there i remember dont understand why your bringing it up because who cares. who do you want to lynch if not me? because you said I claimed scum with it, which indicated that you think I wouldn't post something like that as town, which is wrong and you know it? If it's not you probably Grush, maaaaybe Chez but Chez would be a gutread, mostly based on balance issues and the knowledge that I'm in fact not mafia (as in: I did not bus prom). I'd rather see you lynched though. | ||
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On March 02 2013 00:24 iamperfection wrote: god damn flood control i agree with you chez he seems to not want to put information out there at all even in his own weird way seems like he is just crying. yeah but that's what chez does no matter of alignment. I don't think it's possible to read Chez anyways and the only possible way to go about a Chez lynch is by process of elimination. With VE and BC flipping town, laya+DrH probably being town (I know I am town) that only leaves chez for now and he's one of the guys who isn't influentual at all, no matter of alignment, which explains the easy lynch on prom. If someone like VE or me would have been mafia we would have had a shitstorm d1 with the intention to either save prom or to make it as hard as possible for town to read the thread. Not saying we didn't btw, because with what was going on d1 it wasn't easy to follow up at all and I know at least one guy said something like "one out of VE /Toad has to be mafia" (lynch that guy, whoever it was btw, unless he looks really townish, especially with the VE shot and RB on me). But I'd say it's pretty unlikely for me to shoot VE if I'm mafia in this situation. I don't think mafia expected VE to cool down and finish in a "toad probably not mafia" post and wanted to shoot him to guide the mislynch onto me with a modconfirmed town-VE who was raging mad about me and called for my lynch, a (probably) mafia RB on me (I really don't think someone would use a jail on me for protection instead of other people like VE / dr.H / laya / BC...) because I did that in fruity as mafia to make myself look townish. That's obviously all useless to you guys because it works on the assumption that I'm town, which you can't know but that's some of the reasoning for what I'm saying. | ||
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On March 02 2013 00:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Stop pretending that the bus idea is the only point against you. Toadesstern, you need to explain right this very second exactly (or as close to exactly as you can within the rules) how your roleblock was phrased. 6. Posting or sharing any PM you receive from a host. What I said is all that I'm allowed to say I think: I was roleblocked. Give me an example of what makes me scummy then because all I read is stuff like this: On March 02 2013 00:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm trying to understand why town Toad gets that much confidence 2 hours into the day, so much that he is going to talk about nothing else except how awesome his case is, how everyone else is a sheep and how the flip is going to without a doubt confirm him to be town how can you also early discredit ve/layabout for sheeping you then after the lynch spout that they are confirmed town only because promethelax was mafia how does being right about something confirm your alignment which again is just "toad looking to good to be town" for the first part, and the 2nd part has nothing to do with discrediting but with pointing out that they were on it later than I did and only agreed to it after I posted it. That's quite an important difference although it still makes them town, as I already explained and you're ignoring it. Anyways, got to fetch up my mom, see you in 30 minutes. | ||
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On March 02 2013 00:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Not true. It's the way you handled your read. Forget that you were right, for a moment, the way that you acted that day after calling out Prom was unacceptable and extremely anti-town. I asked to be replaced out because people kept calling me mafia for reasons that are usally towntraits for me, as already shown multiple times while wrongly labeling it mafia-trait and when showing it just answering "well, you know about your meta, you might play like your town meta to screw with us". Again, there's nothing I can say against bullshit like that, NOTHING and it got me mad to a point that I asked to be replaced out. Yes I was rubbing it in to show some people how bad they are. Again, I'm still waiting for a single thing that just shows that I'm supposed to be mafia, you keep saying there's dozen of such things but I haven't seen a single one so far. | ||
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On March 02 2013 01:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Okay. Either Toadesstern or Vivax is a confirmed liar and is mafia. There are only two possible roleblocks in the game. One of which has flavor: The mafia roleblock has no flavor. So, I'm inclined to think Toadesstern is the liar here and we move forward on a lynch. If Toadesstern flips town (shame on him in that case), then we kill Vivax tonight. Does that work for everyone? You linked a quote telling people that the target won't be notified about a SAFE. God I should have ignored you and not VE... | ||
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On March 02 2013 01:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote: 1. Your case against Prom never evolves and is mostly built around his RNG plan not promoting good discussion, much like the Pardoner plan you submitted despite admitting it wasn't a good idea 1) Wrong. My case against Prom was about him scumslipping and he did. It had nothing to do with his RNG suggestion, as already mentioned 3 times. 2. You put no effort into scumhunting for the rest of the day, only attacking people who agreed with you and claiming towncred for yourself. Since it was so early and Prom had yet to flip that's a bit odd 2) It was a hard scumslip, there was no need to get more distraction. I still kept on scumhunting, I just didn't post it in the thread to not distract people from lynching prom 3. Still curious how you moved from VE/Layabout/Me being sheep on you (despite the fact that I built my case on Prom without ever having read your posts) to being confirmed town 3) Sheeping or not has nothing to do with someone being mafia or town. Someone voting mafia 2 hours into the day has everything to do with someone being mafia or town. 4. There is no way you actually believe that every single person who accuses mafia rightly on Day 1 is confirmed town, you are not that stupid 4)I never said that, I said people who figured out a scumslip 2 hours into the day are usually not mafia 5. After calling out Prom in 2 posts, you made no attempt to put pressure anywhere else, no real attempt to put further pressure on him, only arguing about how awesome and town you are 5)There was no need to put pressure on anyone, he was confirmed mafia the moment he slipped, the only thing of interesst was making sure everyone knows about it and lynches him 6. Either you or Vivax is a confirmed liar right now 6) Wrong as already pointed out 7. Didn't want mayor cuz no bodyguards even though you're apparently the best town player in this game and already a huge target, why not take that role to guarantee VE isn't elected and lynches you. Also said you'd only want mayor to lynch a vet 7)Didn't want mayor because I'm the fucking medic who protected VE last night, the guy who got shot if it wasn't for the roleblock and didn't want to give mafia any reason to shoot me as medic 8. Horrible bullshit case on Milksuckler showing early aggression and bad logic, attack him for sheeping when the opinion is a very common and popular one amongst TL Mafia players, one that likely every player has an opinion on and isn't really indicative of alignment either way. I also disagree with the idea that we should never D1 lynch vets but I don't think it's scummy to agree with that and nobody else should either 8) I never had a case on Milksuckler and I never, ever called him mafia. Care to show me? 9. The particular phrasing of "Prom will confirm me" is troubling, suggests prior knowledge of his alignment 9) He was confirmed red after the slip, of course I have knowledge of his alignment if he scumslips 10. Still no real case against grush, your accusations on machoman are based on a metaread that you're not providing evidence for so for players like me who don't know who iamp is this is not doing a good job of moving the town 10) I started explaining multiple times and everytime I started peopel ended up saying "well whatever, shut up noone's listening to anything you say anyways 11. The scummiest thing Prom did was in his farewell post (attacking JJ with logic near impossible for town to use) which you glossed over, that was the point when I and everyone else became supremely confident he was scum because everything before that was about as good as it gets for a Day 1 early case, which is not very good at all. I don't believe you can be that good and that confident THAT early simply because there wasn't enough evidence at the time to warrant it 11) The scummiest thing prom did was fucking scumslipping 1 hour into the day, which you still haven't understood. only 1 of these points depends on you being "too good" so i hope that helps Good job getting the medic who lynched mafia d1 because of a scumslip he figured out himself lynched. The medic who correctly protected VE n1, I might add. This goes to everyone out here who isn't Dr.H: Lynch me, Dr.H will keep on trying to lynch me for whatever reason although it was already shown that there is in fact nothing that makes me even slightly mafia looking except for misconceptions about my meta that have already been shown to be wrong multiple times by links to older games people ignore. Once I flip blue listen to what VE and I said. When VE calmed down a little he made a lot of sense. I'd say the best course of action is to look at what VE and I said, look for similarities and lynch those people first. Don't listen to what Dr.H says. If he keeps getting in the way lynch him/shoot him, he'll flip town and proceed lynching mafia afterwards. You've been given everything to solve this game easily. Use that information | ||
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Look at what he posted and think about it instead of just reading it and thinking "yeah". Take [quote[7. Didn't want mayor cuz no bodyguards even though you're apparently the best town player in this game and already a huge target, why not take that role to guarantee VE isn't elected and lynches you. Also said you'd only want mayor to lynch a vet[/quote] for example. Ignore the reasoning I gave because you don't know if I'm telling the truth about me being medic. Now answer me one simple question: Why is Toad trying to get VE as mayor, VE who tries to lynch Toad a scumtrait? Why would mafia-Toad try to do that? It isn't alignment indicating AT ALL and it was already pointed out to be flawed multiple times, as was everything else (I quoted this one because it doesn't require you to read older games) It's just that Dr.H sees it, doesn't understand it => Toad has to be mafia which is bullshit. Again, listen to what VE said at the end of n1 and what I said later on. If you think JJ is town listen to everything he says. | ||
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On March 02 2013 02:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Also, I agreed with your initial logic on Prom. It wasn't a scumslip. You're already giving up so go ahead and die then, you're useless now. Here is your call out of Prom: What in that is a scumslip? You attacked his logic like anyone else but it wasn't anything a terrible terrible townie hasn't done before. that was when I saw his mayoral campaign and thought he's impersonating Vivax... I instantly dropped it when I found the real post. | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Posting IRC/Whatever logs about you talking with another player about how town you were Saying you were talking with other people on skype and how they all knew you were town and thought we were stupid That's not ok. In fact I was going to quit the game if you weren't modkilled for it. Those 3 lines were with Marv, not with hassy so with people not playing the game which should be fine in general. Posting that might be a different issue but I don't think it's against any rules to be honest. I can post old pm's with other people in games as well. | ||
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On March 13 2013 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Posting it is absolutely crossing the line and violates the spirit and rules of the game, I feel, in a very serious manner. Don't do that. I've seen people posting out of game stuff like that before and it never was a problem. No matter if we're talking about stuff like irc logs to prove someone is actively lurking and not just buisy, or showing posts someone did on TL outside the mafia thread to show the same or whatever else, or posting old pm's between people from older games / discussions about other games. All happened before and it's not against the rules though I do admit I made it to the rules for the games I'm hosting that posting out of thread "logs" isn't allowed anymore, no matter if mason logs, irc logs or whatever else. In this game it was fine. I don't see a problem with what you're referring to at all. If you want to talk about how I was a dick to you / VE on purpose I totally agree, that shouldn't have happened and I apologize for that. I don't think I was cheating at all though. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:47 GreYMisT wrote: You then shared the information with the thread though. I would not have pursued a ban had you just ignored hassy or not posted about what had happened, but you felt compeled to "save him" by posting why you had a town read. This violates the integrety of the game and is cheating. I never did that oO | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 02 2013 00:18 Toadesstern wrote: About hassy: The reason I'm ignoring him is that he kind of slipped while playing dota yesterday and I've got information I should not have. Around deadline I said something along the lines of "lol, they shot VE, not even mad" while skyping with him and Wiggles (as always when playing dota) not thinking about it and well Hassy answered something that either was a blatant towntell or a blatant mafiatell for me. Not going to tell which one. I can't really ignore it when trying to analyze him so I'm ignoring him altogether and won't help on that matter. I shouldn't bring it [the information I have] in the thread because I'd consider that to be unfair. That's everything I said about hassy in the thread. That's all I said about Hassy. How is that pushing in any direction. I made it as neutral as possible. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 13 2013 09:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think what you said about Hassy was commendable tbh although I would have talked about it with a mod first. It was using those logs and referencing outside conversations to try to convince people that you are town. Games need to be insulated. thing is, Gremyst is saying I'm getting banned for using my information on painting hassy green which I did not do imo, you are saying I'm getting banned because I did something that is fine by the rules and done in pretty much every single game and if it's not needs to be added to the rules as no posting out of thread information and I'm saying I'm fine with being banned for being a dick. | ||
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