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On February 20 2013 08:44 Toadesstern wrote:
so you're the milkman?

On February 20 2013 09:12 marvellosity wrote:
can we have a pre dayvig of the Milkman plz to prove it's not me :<

On February 21 2013 09:02 jcarlsoniv wrote:


That and my casting partner (waveofshadow) starting to play. He asked me to watch over him in his first newbie game, and I jumped into themed.

I have a looooot of cobwebs to dust off

On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote:


wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words.

What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol).
I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you.

Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am...

On February 26 2013 22:53 MilkSuckler wrote:

Can I have a read on Wade Fell /BH pl0x?

On February 26 2013 23:21 The Macho Man wrote:

This guy tries insinuate that i am scum with this post and does not follow it up at all. HE comes off as scum that needs a crying towel.



Prom is definitely not confirmed scum as the whole thread seems to think and the most concerning thing that he actually has done is this post here in saying that he isn't going to be active after all the pressure. This is the most tell sign that he is scum

If he does not care about town and doesn't post then he should die.

Vivax has actually done nothing this game and should die. If prom sticks around and contributes i say let him live vivax hasn't done anything.

A vote for me is a vote to kill vivax the man who wants to appear active but in fact is doing nothing

Vivax Macho madness is coming straight at you.

On February 26 2013 23:25 The Macho Man wrote:

he has been one of the more active guys seems interested in the game and looks like he cared about the lynch. Those are in fact townie traits.

On February 26 2013 23:28 The Macho Man wrote:

scum don't like the spotlight prom has been in the spotlight. That's mafia 101 come on.

On February 26 2013 23:31 MilkSuckler wrote:

OK, I look at those points and think where are the specific town tells?

Though Dr.H *will* disagree, a large component of Day1 is spent establishing innocence. All those stances listed above I believe are easy to follow through as either scum or town.

Out of those points raised, the closest to being indicative of town (in my opinion) is the discourse with Aquanim.

Also, if you notice, when Aquanim first raised a query on the case; his response was: here is the link to the case. It wasn't until Aquanim persisted that a more detailed response was granted.

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So far I still think Wade Fell is suspicious; but, if all the vets think Wade is town, perhaps I am missing an important part of the equation. What do you make of what I wrote above? Do you see validity of paranoia?

On February 26 2013 23:38 glurio wrote:


1) He wanted to kill you. He put down the stupid RNG idea, also randombuns obviously flawed plan to elect the scummiest player. Some of his points on prome has been made before but DrH doesn't want to be mayor. Also he seems to be a reasonable player, with all that let's only hear vets opinions shenanigans. Thats why i vote for him.

2) Wanna hear geripts opinion first.

3) Prome

On February 27 2013 00:15 Toadesstern wrote:

Isn't that kind of contradicting itself? You expect me to be the star of the show and tell me I should have been more active around 4 to 5 am my time..

On February 27 2013 00:01 glurio wrote:
I vote for waffels since he clearly states he wants to lynch prom who i think is scum. He looks towniest to me from all the candidates so i vote for him.

I wanted geript to state his opinion without being influenced from whatever i write but if you are so eager i'll write it.

OOs filter consists mostly of one-liners. The worst was probably this post.



He actually acknowledges to just post chaos with detriment to the town atmosphere. Why would he do that? So he could post something actually useful tomorrow? I don't understand this logic.

So far he's really useless, only thing he does is disrupting town atmosphere, which he even admits to.

I thought you were useless at the beginning of the game, yes. Do i think you're scummier than prome right now? No. But as is already said i'll keep my eye on you.

On February 27 2013 00:25 Toadesstern wrote:

I said I'd be willing to bet VE's left ball on prom benig mafia and that we need to kill him. What exactly do you consider thread presence? Because it does sound like you don't consider me enough in people's faces from what I'm reading and quite frankly I don't think I can be more into peoples faces as I've been the first couple of hours this game.

I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now.

On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote:

FLUFF

Let's get down to business then. First of all I would like to give you my opinion about the mayoral election: I didn't give it much importance. One lynch, two votes, that's it. A townie looking guy gets elected, either a townie looking guy gets confirmed if he hits scum or townie looking scum rides the wave to a mislynch and can shake off responsibility for it.
I don't understand why you're trying to discredit mayoral election. The mayor decides our lynch. He is as important as normal lynch.
My major interest laid in creating a nice atmosphere where we can have fun together and catch butterflies all day so that people who are scum actually feel safe to play like scum. What I've learned in past games is that people I read as scum got a valid reason to not answer questions when I actually read them as scum and called them like that.
"Oh what you call me scum you idiot fine I'll ignore you" fuck that shit.

To catch scum you have to let them feel cosy, when they think they didn't have the pressure to post for two days, then you will struck them with holy might knowing that they actually had the confidence to really play like lurky scum. When they don't know you will push for their lynch at deadline they will post more information, closer to their agenda than to the one made visible by townies.
Since town doesn't seem to want to adopt such an innovative strategy, let's move on with standard play.
I understand that some players might have their own ways to play. That's fine. They keep it to themselves and work the game out. What's the point of posting all of thise? In the end, you say that people don't want to adopt this play so even YOU say that's just useless fluff. Are you trying to make this post look important and big?
Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions.
However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute.
For some reason your logic for towniness is same opinion=town.
ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts.
Why are you liking one-liner spam trolls again? His answer was nonexistant.
aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him.
Again, someone is NOT town because they have DIFFERENT reads than you. What method of scumhunting is that? You say that his posts are artificial, how? I don't see that. He's the guy "going deeper" and asking questions.
Layabout could be lurky scum. If he's town I'd like him to post more. I remember him being an aggressive pusher as town in fruity mafia.
Why even talk about someone you have no idea about right now?
JJ is a good lynch candidate. His attack on me for playing casually is a scum trait, and he quit pursuing me asking me a weird question about what I think. Well, after the last refresh (23:40 TL time) I see he's actually back to get me. Saying I didn't follow up after calling him scummy for what he did, too bad that I went to sleep around 3 AM and I'm spending 2:30 hours with reading and writing this post, so his argument is again scummy and not thought out.
The argument he's used didn't apply to me, but also to Toad and some other dudes. He seems to think people trying to guess smurf identities are scum, as pointed out in my earlier post.
Again, attacked me=scum, holy.
Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him.
What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference.
Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt.

Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason).
Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him.

I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me.
YOU THINK PROMETHELAX IS TOWN BECAUSE VE THINKS YOU ARE MAFIA? HOW BULLSHIT IS THAT?
You care about being "town" in people's eyes too much in my taste.
Geript looked pretty scummy to me yesterday, but since he's a newbie that might just be a consequence of that. His attacks on me cause of me being casual made me pretty suspicious, and his blabber about an agenda linked to that as well, but I don't want to lynch a newbie this early, they can look scummy as either alignment.
What the fuck? I saw newbie card played, but defending a person WHEN THAT PERSON IS NOT UNDER ANY PRESSURE AT ALL USING THIS REASON IS SO MUCH BULLSHIT!
In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis.

On February 27 2013 01:02 Vivax wrote:
No, that post by yours is mafia agenda bro. I'm not glorifying anything, I'm laying out my thoughts and posting my reads.

U scum?

On February 27 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:

if he's yamato he is almost certainly town. Like the townies mofo that ever towned a town. And that's something in a game with iamp. Though I haven't checked him out to see if he's actually town this game. Was kind of busy owning mafia and playing dota inbetween.

On February 27 2013 01:28 Toadesstern wrote:

I don't care about what you want to achieve with it. If meta helps me read you I'll use it no matter if you like it or not. Sad thing I don't know if Vivax is basing his assumption on something or just spouting nonsense.

On February 27 2013 01:34 Toadesstern wrote:

that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if I get confirmation on it I'll use it. Sadly I don't have cofirmation, like I just said in the post you quoted.

That's the point of the big IF in my sentence. I don't know wether you're Yamato or not, but if you are you're town. You're not a townread at all to me.

On February 27 2013 22:39 MilkSuckler wrote:
Firstly, is this a point about Macho... or a point about layabout?


Secondly, Im curious you find Macho "easily readable".
Let me share a post about iamperfection in his concurrent game.
Now in that game; he gives direct scum read(s), fuck all justification. Typical iamp town core.

This game; I challenge you/anyone to tell me who his top scum read(s) are.
What I noticed was a lot of "+1" posts.
I won't bother asking to show fuck all justification, because the whole filter reads like that. At least that is common across the two filters.

On February 28 2013 00:18 Vivax wrote:
Yeah iamp doesn't play like town iamp I noticed that too. But we are also pretty sure that it's iamp when we can't be 100%, and if he truly is then he's in another game already. That might be a little stressing, or he is faking to be iamp to use that argument although that would be a little "extreme".

I don't want to take pressure away nonetheless and I expect him to post more when there's actually a wagon to get going, since the current mayoral candidates are all set on lynching the same guy. The direction might be more obvious when Prom's alignment is off the table.

@ Milkman

You did call Milkman and Toad scum, this is from one of your posts I quoted.
No I did not. Please point out where I used word "scum" or "scummy". You know a game called mafia? He is in trance of that game. He got into it after a while. Clear?




Calling people in mafia trance or suspicious and not playing according to town meta I see as calling them scum, but maybe that's just me.
I noticed something that was out of order in my head. That being Toad playing like he was. I DID NOT call him scum, because people change the way they play you know? Just because I see some disturbance in meta does not mean someone is scum or town. Come on. The point of this post was just to make Toad explain to me why he felt to play this way and he did just that.
That you talked with Toad after it is irrelevant to my argument. Toad reacted and you had to counter-react, he reacted cause you called him out as scummy. The point of my argument is your sudden wholehearted Prom lynch support with throwing in a few half-assed town- and scumreads in between

In later posts, I see that you actually tried to dissuade MachoMan from his Prom defence so you did actually soft push for a Prom lynch despite mentioning so many other reads before and that makes you look better.
I didn't like your response to my big post however. It looked to me like you quoted it just with the intent of making me look bad.



Then this post. VE wants to lynch Prom, but you are basically telling VE to look at my post again and change opinion about the lynch target from Prom to me. This doesn't coincide with your earlier interests.
VE said he liked your post. I made a remark that I disagree just for VE himself because I was considering him as a mayor vote.

On February 28 2013 02:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No one loves list posts. They have absolutely zero value to anyone but you, keep it in a notepad (out of the thread) until your thoughts are organized and only posts the information that is relevant to your case.

On February 28 2013 02:22 layabout wrote:

Blabber:I thought we had a 72 hour day 1 i had read the daypost more than once as friday not thursday sometimes my brain just does that. Also it seems that prom is being lynched whatever happens. So i wasn't as bothered about finding scum. My preference for mayor was Dr.h because there was a chance he might lynch jcarl and i wasn't sure about VE's campaign. I have also been trying to have more of a thread presence while i am here because over time i consolidated more and tended to lurk as both town and mafia. In fruity my last game if i hadn't been correct in pushing yamato i would have made a good lynch because of my lurking. I also was not the one able to push the lynch even though i put the most content up about him. I also tend to wait before commiting to reads because people don't have much time to post meanfully early on and i like to take my time to sort out my thoughts.

With regards to Prom, read his filter and tell me why it should be different if he is town, i feel like he has done what he should as town and thus does not deserve to be lynched.

Grush is there because i think he filter was a lot better in fruity and there are other players that look more towny than he does.

I defended you due to both the scumhunting point and the fact that i think your town, in part because of your reaction to the vivax analysis. I don't think i was clear enough when i talked about the lack of scumhunting initially but there isn't much i can do about it now.

On February 26 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote:


Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming.

On February 28 2013 02:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

i dont care who is pardoner or mayor as long as promethelax is lynched

On February 28 2013 03:28 Chezinu wrote:
At night, someone must be shoot. You cannot stop this. If you know you have uncontrollable problems. Please, contact your local doctor and have him protect you victims. Better yet, just let the whole thread know who to protect. It worked wonders in the last game I was in.

Lets talk about something interesting. Let's talk roles. There are a lot of possible guns in this wasteland. That means we need to expect a high mortality rate. However, to counterbalance this we have Docs and Armor. The one with the right equipment will be able to link strangers from far away. I must presume with the lack of guards that our protect is hidden. I propose a plan that my falter, but it could aid in our survival if successful. The protector found in 1-12 shall save the mayor. The other the Pardoner. Or perhaps the subjects for protection is up to debate. As the formation of DT check lists. If we plan ahead, our dreams of living tomorrow may prosper.

On February 28 2013 03:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
You know I'll fucking lynch you Toad don't test me. You KNOW I'll do it. Why are you acting like this?

On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:


VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me.

On February 28 2013 07:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I have a feeling scum don't like the idea of me having 2 votes and medics on me every night.

On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote:


Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more.

However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid.

If you were town you would not want this man in office.

Toad is scum / third party

On February 28 2013 08:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
If I win this election in spite of last-minute raging, stepping down, and voting for my opponent, I'm going to LOL so hard.

On February 28 2013 09:20 Toadesstern wrote:


Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what.
Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened.

On February 28 2013 09:23 Toadesstern wrote:

Prom flipped mafia. I pointed out a scumslip that everyone besides Laya and VE ignored when I went to bed. That's what gives.

On February 28 2013 09:28 MilkSuckler wrote:


Nice and all.. but

Milkman (I know you're here....)I am still waiting for this....

On February 27 2013 11:05 ObviousOne wrote:
Take another look started where I began posting ~9 hours ago or whatever and tell me what issues you have with that outside of me asking people questions that I want answers to. If it's still "seeming interested" then yeah, maybe you're right. I'm actually pretty bored with D1 right now.

I'm contributing of my own volition, not because you're asking me to. I could lurk like fuck and skate by like the other cats who have decided to not play on D1 much or at all, but here I am bearing my thoughts and I am mostly getting shit on for it.

On February 28 2013 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'll be making a case later for vigilantes to nightkill layabout, if my reads are correct. JungleJorge must be the next to die by the lynch or from a dayvig. I can think of absolutely no other reason for his behavior.

On February 28 2013 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:

if anything Hassy is a potential vig candidate, not a lynch candidate. Though again I'm actually quite confident that at least one of Macho+Grush is mafia, probably both which doesn't leave that many mafias and there still has to be a vet within team mafia.

On February 28 2013 09:50 Toadesstern wrote:

host knows about smurfs, doesn't he? Unless you're telling me we shouldn't lynch into vets because of vets because I totally agree with that.

On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.

Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...

TOO EASY.

I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?)
Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?

I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?

On February 28 2013 11:45 JungleJorge wrote:

I actually didn't. I was honestly leaning town on him until he made such response. Some aspects of his play looked suspicious, while others were too loose and carefree, thus town looking. I opted to make a defense without stating my reasons to get responses mostly from other players who were not commenting on his lynch. I suspected that if I started the trend and he was scum soon enough other players would join me and provide their own reasons. Obviously what I got was much better, basically a scum claim from prom in my eyes.

On February 28 2013 21:31 Restraining Order wrote:
Okay, there's still like 5 pages or so I didn't read yet, and I have to go out again now.
Spam less pls.

Bottom line, vigs should shoot JJ or Vivax, tomorrow we lynch the other.
I doubt the last few pages changed that.

On February 28 2013 22:01 Vivax wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

It's funny how you start off your case by
1.mentioning things like activity, that actually show I'm town. You should start looking at my meta before you start drawing conclusions based on that, but drawing conclusions is secondary to you, all you're doing is making a puppet case after a bunch of people mentioned me as scumread.
2. Making points that apply mostly to yourself.

On February 28 2013 22:30 Vivax wrote:


I pressured multiple people, I got lurkers like you, Milkman and Hassy to post, I explained my thought process early and thoroughly.

I didn't tell you my reads cause I don't always have to, especially at that time where I was asking specific people like you, Hassy and Milkman questions, one should assume that there's a reason I am asking questions to these people and no one else, no? So asking me about my reads is obsolete when you see them through my actions.

My Macho read is slight town. His last entrance into the thread was really townie. Which scum enters the thread complaining that no one made a case on him? Yeah. What makes the whole thing nullish is the fact that iamp simply is more present during the game, but I don't see any reason to suspect he's scum currently.

Now, answer me the question: What good did YOU do so far? What should make me believe you're town? Your presence has been mostly laid back, seemingly disinterested, low activity, you announce your absence lots of times, but more importantly:

You are asking me to give a read on a guy you believe to be town? How does that fit? Why is it so important for you to know what I think of your townreads? Something doesn't compute here.

Also expand on why me mentioning JJ instead of MachoMan is scummy.

On March 01 2013 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Guess there can't be anything done about people not having a clue... Anyways shoot Macho / Grush and one out of BC / chez.
There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it.
I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely.

Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia.
Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid.

Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true.

That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said.

On March 01 2013 00:15 The Macho Man wrote:
i change my mind on jj he is being open with his thoughts and is talking about the game a lot i think he is town now.
Obviousone martyr crap looks to me as natural and not forced seems like he is more likely to be town at this point.

I agree with jj on aqua and taking another look as well as what at obvious said aqua. It seems like aquas only contribution was to in fact just tunnel obvious and seemed like that was his way of contributing.

hasybaby is probable scum as well because he does not care about town at all and seems to have no interest in the game.

so aqua and hasy

On February 28 2013 13:53 JungleJorge wrote:
I haven't looked into OO, nor I think that's how I should be spending my time. As I've read the thread normally he didn't seem suspicious to me. Why would aqua being scum make OO confirmed town in your opinion?
And OO, yes, I've read through the rest of aqua's filter and his interactions with the thread and it supports my conclusion. I think however that the post I quoted should be sufficient damning evidence alone.

On March 01 2013 09:02 Vivax wrote:
I got roleblocked.

Anyone else?

On March 01 2013 09:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
So...either we had a doc save someone, or there is no SK. Would be lovely not to have to worry about that extra kill.

My sentiments from D1 on JJ still stand. I have to drive back to school, but I'd like to hear from him, and I'm gonna reread his filter when I get a sec.

On March 01 2013 09:12 Vivax wrote:


You sure that you aren't yamato?







That's as far as I would go with crumbing.
Initially wanted to shoot glurio, but on second thought hassy was a safer target and I chose him, didn't crumb that though.

Mafia might have seen that as reason enough to roleblock me, so that puts glurio into the deep red.

On March 01 2013 09:23 Toadesstern wrote:
Î was rolebocked

On March 01 2013 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:


If I were medic, I wouldn't protect VisceraEyes. I would have protected BloodyC0bbler to see what he brings Day 1 or maybe WaveofShadow.

On March 01 2013 09:42 Vivax wrote:
The realization should have come to Milkman's mind that what he's doing is incredibly scummy by now. Look how the scum tries to hang onto other people when it doesn't get any resonance for its lies and then immediately shuts up when it fails.

"Oh what no we would never roleblock you, why the hell did you say you would shoot glurio and then tried to shoot hassy, you must be scum"

All the while completely disregarding one important thing about roleblocked vigis.
When I look at his early game stances regarding Prom it all begins to make sense.

+ Show Spoiler +

From soft-defending what Prom did, to full-heartedly supporting his lynch, but then simply "agreeing" how about what Prom does is "bad" and right afterwards trying to sway attention onto me.

Let's lynch this guy first actually, everything else isn't as much of a sure scum hit as this guy.

##Unvote
##Vote The Milkman

On March 01 2013 10:08 Aquanim wrote:

Why would he change his mind and "shoot" Hassy if he was scum?

On March 01 2013 09:12 Vivax wrote:


You sure that you aren't yamato?







That's as far as I would go with crumbing.
Initially wanted to shoot glurio, but on second thought hassy was a safer target and I chose him, didn't crumb that though.

Mafia might have seen that as reason enough to roleblock me, so that puts glurio into the deep red.

On March 01 2013 10:22 randombum wrote:
I guess that came out badly, I mean it more like since my original case and who I was planning to really push for has now become less of a target in my mind I'm looking to be convinced about somebody else. If I don't find somebody worth sheeping then I'll go with jcarl.

On March 01 2013 10:24 Aquanim wrote:

"Safe" shot might have been an unfortunate choice of words but I don't see how it makes Vivax scum. Hassybaby was a much better shot than Milkman or Glurio and I don't see what's wrong with Vivax making that choice.

On March 01 2013 10:28 Chezinu wrote:
Mafia KP is Mafia #/2 Rounded Down with a minimum of 1.

Mutant has to shoot...

2 dead...

helps! the maths is broken!!!

On March 13 2013 08:39 Vivax wrote:


Not yamato?

GG bartender by the way, third party win isn't easy and that role didn't seem very strong at first glance until the boom.

On March 13 2013 08:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
GG guys! I'm really sad we fucked up due to inactivity but I'll try harder to make more cases lategame nest time.
Any specific criticisms anyone has for me? (Aside from less WIFOMing myself and conspiracy theories?)

On March 13 2013 08:46 Mocsta wrote:

Ohh I am milksuckler btw

hmm. well if we havnt played, i got no chance of knowing who u r

stab in the dark
darthpunk lol. dunno

On March 13 2013 08:51 HiroPro wrote:
suipersoft you chump[ i am, on to you i think?

On March 13 2013 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm pretty upset at my play in this game. I can blame it as much as I want on inactivity and losing interest after a great 2-3 days but I need to get out of this habit of abandoning my good reads that come up early in the game and just sheeping other people because I'm too lazy to keep up the activity level. If I could play the way I play Day 1 throughout a whole game, I'd be a much better player. But I never do.