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On February 24 2013 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:I wish I could summon Chezinu into this game.
On February 24 2013 15:18 yamato77 wrote: /summon Chezinu
I'll give it a shot.
On February 24 2013 15:20 grush57 wrote: /summon Chezinu Storm, Earth, and Fire heed my call!
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On February 25 2013 08:15 layabout wrote: /in since fruity went so well.
i am gonna use my actual account, i aint scared of u smurfs. It nice to know you don't fear me. But do you fear the town? Or you one of the mafia fearing types?
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On February 25 2013 08:25 layabout wrote: oh shit are you BC's smurf? chez I am not the Scribe. People just keep thinking that.
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Hello everyone.
Before we began, I think it is important for everyone to get to know one another. As an ice breaker, I would like everyone to state their name and post three things about themselves which may not be known to the others people here. Two are true and one is not.
I will start.
My name is Chezinu
I have read my role I never played a newbie game I am not The Scribe!
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Oh! and the next person can try and guess which of the three statements are false! Yeah, this is going to be fun!
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On February 26 2013 10:39 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:37 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 26 2013 10:36 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 26 2013 10:25 Chezinu wrote: Hello everyone.
Before we began, I think it is important for everyone to get to know one another. As an ice breaker, I would like everyone to state their name and post three things about themselves which may not be known to the others people here. Two are true and one is not.
I will start.
My name is Chezinu
I have read my role I never played a newbie game I am not The Scribe!
I love when Chez doesn't read his role. ^.^ and Vayesh believed the man from space had never played a game of the recruit variety. For the man from space has been around since the conception of time. Newbie games didn't exist when I started playing, and I'm pretty sure Chez been around longer than me.
Yup, your good. You're winning this Ice Breaker. I've been around since the second world.
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On February 26 2013 10:54 ObviousOne wrote: Will you be announcing your candidacy, Timeless One? ok, I'm a candidate.
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On February 27 2013 03:41 VisceraEyes wrote: That's something else. Vivax thinks our focus should be "getting inactives to post".
Soooooo....should we all hold hands and "ohhmmmmmmmmm" or something? How does he propose we do this thing? Is that a summoning "ohhmmmmmmmmm"?
I R Here!
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On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Alllllllrighty VayeshMoruAfter a quick read through his filter, one thing is certainly obvious (aside the fact that VM is 3rd person role playing): He isn't committing to anything. VM makes a couple posts about disliking Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. On February 26 2013 10:52 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing. obviousone could say this yes. But the annuls show that the discussion the one by OO has been more relevant than that of the mockery of society of the Vivax And then gives his $.02 about some other people: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: Let the records show the the voice of Prom has slowly gone from the soothing and alluring voice of the songstress to the shriek of countless banshee's. Cult worshipping is appearing to be at an all time high. A savior is needed to clear the shadows from our light. On February 26 2013 11:09 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:02 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:59 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:54 Aquanim wrote:On February 26 2013 10:43 Promethelax wrote: Talk to me about aqua. On February 26 2013 10:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Need more dataz. So far I'm not interested in lynching him if that's what you're asking - his read on OO seems genuine (and in my opinion decent). On February 26 2013 10:48 Promethelax wrote: ... Are you being serious or sarcastic about aqua? I'm not sure how VE's post could be construed as sarcastic... but in any case I get the feeling you have an opinion on me. Care to share it? Well I'd like to hear something from you first. Who is scum and why? My current strongest scum read is ObviousOne for the reasons stated earlier. His protestations of "I can't give reads early" combined with the reads he has in fact given with little-to-no reasoning feels like scum trying to contribute without actually committing himself. I don't have time to analyse everyone's play at the moment so that's all I have for now. Vayesh is puzzled at the contradictions brought to bear before him. The voice of the man of water speaks of non committal when he himself fails to show commitment to the cause. The light is not finding its way into the ocean depths. Perhaps with more swimming the figure will come closer to illumination. On February 26 2013 12:20 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote:On February 26 2013 12:14 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote: You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"? That the role needs to go to someone we trust and someone responsible. Not just a newbie that is at risk of being ignored. I thought it was transparent. I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL. A question appears. Does this lab rat have experience in worlds outside of the team liquid? If so why would the experiment feel the need to declare his inability to perform. On February 26 2013 12:25 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh finds it odd that Prom feels the need to speak for a man named marv. Vayesh does not see the one by that name in this world. If he exists he must be a man of the mask. If that were the case would it not be wise to correlate that the man from prom was in some form of dealings with the masked devil On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:38 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 12:33 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 26 2013 12:31 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 12:23 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 12:20 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: god how little i anyone should care if marvellosity theoretically agrees with you, what is he mafia jesus or something?
ace agrees with everything i've said in this thread so far, is everyone on board with me now? i talked to him about it like a billion times. Be pissy about it if you want. I'm Talking to VE about the opinion of a player we both talk to regularly and respect. Grush is town. I'm sure of it and I always will be, someone could get a red check on him this game and I'd still have him as town. Your name drop did nothing for me either Prom, just so we're on the same page. I don't care what marv has to say regarding grush' Starsenses. Do you care what I have to say o. The matter? Not if it's "He said starsenses = modconfirmed town" no. LMAO That's the worst shit I've ever seen. No it isn't. It is in fact a great way to read grush. He has never used STARSENSES as scum. He has been scum and not used STARSENSES he is very invested in being confirmed town with that breadcrumb, grush doesn't trust his own play to keep him safe and values the crumb as it keeps him alive as town. Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world. I am not saying this to agree with Prome. I am saying this because it was an item raised in Mafia LIX. One player instantly called Grush scum due to him unveiling starsenses. He was town (as in all prior starsenses claims)... I dont trust the claim to be town; but it does put him down the D1 priority pecking list for me. one world is not enough to validate a truth the man of prom is implying. However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement. The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now. He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick. I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die. @Dr.H: How confident are you in either/or/both Prome and Vivax being scum? Are you going to continue to push them until the end of the day? I know Prome can't defend himself at this point, and I feel Vivax has not done a good job of defending himself (but last game I was convinced Vivax was scum, and I was dead wrong, so I'm being a bit more wary this time around).
That is not a good idea... you don't know a thing about... oh wait I can't say.... uhzzz Think about the cool stories he can writes!
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On February 27 2013 04:06 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:Um...JJ, wtf? On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. On February 27 2013 03:41 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote: As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important? Actually its the opposite. You become non-existent. 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. Jcarl are you insinuating that JJ was making it look like there was opposition to the lynch so that the prevailing mindset that "lynches that meet opposition are usually good lynches" would cause a follow-through? Scum using a TL-meta tool to their advanted? conspiracy theories are fuN! Let's make some more.... if you were in a story, what or who would you be?
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THEY SHOT THE SHERIFF!!!!
FLAMEWHEEL! WE WILL FIND THE CULT!! FOR THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!!! BROTHERS OF BROWN!!!
A NEW SHERIFF IS IN TOWN, AND HIS NAME IS THE BROWN!
+ Show Spoiler +role read op skimmed day 1 read school completed fun coming soon!
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Wait no body guards for mayor.... (check op again after toad's comment) lame.... pshh no wonder no one cares about running for mayor... and the sheriff is a role and not elected? geez
Well, I still like the idea of being sheriff...
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After calibrating the receiver, I was able to pick up a modulated signal. The signal had to be separated into six components using Fourier transform and nitpicking the proper ranges to apply the inverse Fourier transform. A tedious demodulation process. Here is what I was able to put together: + Show Spoiler +http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/16956205/Lost_Fragment_of_Isunizehc_2
Analysis: It seems to be audio of some creatures that I can't seem to decipher. At one point it sounds like rockets from a ship is going off in mid-air. Sound like that can only be recorded under an atmospheric planet, but where I am quite bewildered.
The detection of the unforeseen takes a toll on one when confide to the solitude of an ill powered ship. I sometimes wonder if they are mere hallucination. Fragments.. it is all I get out here... there must be something.... something that has been causing the interference...
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The bubble....the cocoon... both burst..... What does it mean? If only I knew what The Scribe had written to him... What hidden messages did he find.... The ninjas, who were they? What did they have to do with The Scribe. Whatever The Scribe knows, it had a great impact on this Isunizehc guy.... something the causes him to burst out of the bubble... Something that drove the motives of his heart to accelerate... kind of like a catalyst... what were these stories? What secrets did they hold? I must find the rest of that signal or atleast trace it's origin. It seems years since I detected that last signal... My mind feels as the fragments themselves. I must find them to make myself and the fragments whole again.
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I must have drifted. Both physically and mentally as my ship continues on its unguided path and my mind formulas a world of its own. In this world, I found myself on a planet. As many out, it was barren. Yet there was hope in the sky for without it, one would not breathe. I was a wanderer, drifting from town to town. I stood in a crowd witnessing the devastation of the land, the bodies, and the hearts. It was a primitive dwelling. Yet it had a history of greatness. There I was amongst a people. A people I did not know. I offered friendship while dead corpses rot and distrust spreads. Few talked to me, most ignored me. Then I woke. Once again, I am talking to you my dear Boatee. Your the only one keeping track of me. Without you, I guarantee what little thoughts I have in line would be scattered. I love you Boatee. I gots to work now. I know you will miss talking to me, but I have to find those signals!
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Of two feuding kings who's friendships was of long ago, whom shall the Brown serve?
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Maybe if one king would so kindly treat the monster he summoned with a summary of his plans. It would be nice.
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Waveoftheshadow, who are you?
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At night, someone must be shoot. You cannot stop this. If you know you have uncontrollable problems. Please, contact your local doctor and have him protect you victims. Better yet, just let the whole thread know who to protect. It worked wonders in the last game I was in.
Lets talk about something interesting. Let's talk roles. There are a lot of possible guns in this wasteland. That means we need to expect a high mortality rate. However, to counterbalance this we have Docs and Armor. The one with the right equipment will be able to link strangers from far away. I must presume with the lack of guards that our protect is hidden. I propose a plan that my falter, but it could aid in our survival if successful. The protector found in 1-12 shall save the mayor. The other the Pardoner. Or perhaps the subjects for protection is up to debate. As the formation of DT check lists. If we plan ahead, our dreams of living tomorrow may prosper.
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On February 28 2013 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm generally an advocate of doctors protecting their biggest town-read/person most likely to be shot to them. Playing WIFOM games with scum is a bad idea because scum have more info, and therefor are better at WIFOMing than we are.
Chez you never answered my question (to my knowledge) and you're still not looking for scum. I know you're capable if you're town, verily you enjoy doing so. Why are you not doing this thing now? I summoned you here to help me rid the world of darkness, not theorize about power roles. oh, I was under the impression that you summoned me here to kill me. That's what most gamers do when they summon something or someone. I must have missed the question. I had to read the thread. When I first got on the play I was already like 30 pages behind. I asked you to summarize what was going on last night, but you refused. So, I skimmed yesterday and saw milky being mean to people and then that wade was going to kill him. So, I voted wade. Then I found out later that all candidates are lynching prom. I'm not sure why atm, I just know I loved my king. Well, both my kings.
You said my posts had no content but they did. Also, I had to make those posts because they were long overdue for the scribe. If you get my hidden links that is. As I mentioned the last night, I'm done with school. It just seems people don't was to play with me. You should know as with other people who play with me. I don't take the first half of day 1 seriously. 48 hours is a long time and usually things change. oh and I'm scumhunting I'm just not making it apparent. If you read closely, I'm not just talking about roles. People need to get over the phobia of talking about setup, because it is valuable information. I know its now a new controversial topic in our contemporary time. In the past, everyone understood the importance of this. Why this is looked badly upon recently I have no idea.
PS: I'm trying to scumhunt. Its hard when no one responds to my posts. Thank for listening to me!
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On February 27 2013 16:27 VisceraEyes wrote: You just said you read D1. If that's true, then you'll already know both of our plans and you have already chosen neither. What are you playing at? Have you really NOT read D1? Found it! Making me dig for questions. Yeah, I didn't read it. I never said I read day 1. I read the day 1 OP.
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On February 28 2013 03:56 The Milkman wrote: Hey Chez, good to have you with time on your hands. One question, is that Scribe thing that you have done detrimental to the game we are playing? I might want to reverse the audio in the last fragments (because that's what has probably been done to the recording) but no point if it is not. I know that feeling of trying to read 30 pages and being at school, no worries. If there is something I can help you with, just ask. Encryption is against the rules. So, no there is no encrypted message. The posts have their purpose. If you are still wondering after the game is over. You can pm me and ask me what they are all about.
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On February 28 2013 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote: They were 2 separate statements:
Skimmed OP D1 read
Are you saying you didn't say that? Because you did, and if you insist that you didn't you're lying. That's what I said.
I skimmed the OP (the roles and rules of game) Then read Day 1 OP. Sorry for not being clearer. Day 1 isn't even over so how could I have read into the future? Plus, look at my posts about finding out that mayor has no bodyguards and realizing this game is fallout themed.
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On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy.
Wade has been giving off a good town vibe... I guess, I'm going to lose a king. I guess I can only serve one.. Although I did pull off serving both that one game I played with you VE.
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Since there are two people with the name Milk. Is there a standard yet for addressing them shorthand?
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I've been doing some self-reflection on what makes me great as a town player.
I discovered a hard truth...
+ Show Spoiler +On January 05 2010 15:39 L wrote: Dear morans.
There's nearly nothing to talk about on the first day if no one talks, and we have no mayoral business to vote for.
Because of this, and because I like making people post stupid garbage, I propose we go round table and each say who we want to off day one.
So far, I've done around 5 minutes of thinking and I'm going to sleep directly after I type this post, so this won't be pretty or eloquent, but here's what I'm thinking so far.
1. RebirthOfLeGend 2. Ace 3. L 4. vx70GTOJudgexv 5. Scamp 6. Zato-1 7. Chezinu 8. nemY 9. HeavOnEarth 10. Vivi57 11. ketomai 12. Mikeymoo 13. Malongo
1) I normally get Ace killed really early. Its largely a barrel of fun and heaps of awesome. I doubt that Ace and I are on the same team because of the roster and the format, so he's probably red from where I'm standing. That said, Ace is probably the only person i'd be able to trust to not play like a sack of dimebags, so if he does turn out to be blue (which seems to be a trend when i kill him), the game would kinda end unless mafia were morans.
2) I hate vivi. RoL's dumb. Chezinu is a gigantic waste of a player, regardless of which side he's on, and nemy hasn't played in a while, and played somewhat subpar last game we were in due to inactivity. Granted that these are all easy "dumb" targets, I'll be extra risk and not pick any of them to see how people react.
3) Of the remaining players, we have Malongo, Mikey, ketomai, heavon, zato, scamp and judge. Scamp and Heavon typically do not post often, so this is the first and last "do shit in the thread or I'm going to push to get you killed warning". Malongo is an above average player, and I honestly don't remember anything about mikey or ketomai. Judge is very good in this type of format. Zato's a bit above average too.
$) so what does that mean? It means fucking nothing. This format sucks balls day one, but I'd go with Malongo as my day 1 pick. He's good enough to be placed with mafia as their 'strong' player, but if he dies and flips town, I'll (maybe Ace or Judge too, normally i die night 2 anyways) probably die during the night which leaves both Ace and Judge up. Granted that I assume Incog wouldn't put them both as mafia (because that would be a bit fucked), so at least 1 top tier player is still in the mix even if we miss doc protection and hit incorrectly
%) Alternate plan is to kill people who we know are fucking useless and who won't 'fuck up' because they're so fucking inactive. If that's the case, i'd hit nemY first. Not that I hate the guy or anything, but there's some weird fucking 'stupid' sympathy which keeps vivi alive when I try to get him killed and I'm kinda hoping Chezinu doesn't do his standard stupid shit. If he does, I'm pretty sure we're going to have to start killing him day 1-2 in every game he joins until he stops being a moron. On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 16:52 Vivi57 wrote: I say we kill scamp. He'll post so little that his role won't be too transparent and we'll be forced to kill him for inactivity without gaining new information. This also helps to enforce that mafia must post or they'll be killed for inactivity. Hm. Scamp doesn't post much, but what he does post is usually telling, in my experience. Since all we have on day 1 for choosing a Lynch target is behavioral analysis, I'd rather go after the people who are 'immune' to behavioral analysis. And by this, I mean Chezinu. Usually, all he posts are random references to 'Ace' and 'Brown', and his comments are completely unrelated to the game, its players, its roles, suggested courses of action, etc. That is, in fact, a valid mafia strategy- say a lot of shit so people don't peg you down for being inactive, but never commit to saying something relevant so that you won't be called out for something you said. As it is, the only way for the Town to ever determine his role directly will be through a DT, which I'd rather use on some other big-name players instead (L, Ace).
Leaning: Lynch Chezinu
Then, there's the matter of our other night roles: DTs, Medics, Vigis. DTs should definitely check out the big-name players. For me, these are: Ace, L. They're basically a big boon in terms of post quality, behavioral analysis and Town leadership if they're Townies, so it's a good idea to see whether we should be rallying around them early or not. And if they're mafia... we'll want them lynched ASAP. Oh, and do remember the Godfather won't show up as mafia in a RC; if a RC comes up Red, the DT knows with 100% certainty that player's mafia. If it doesn't come up red, the DT does not know with 100% certainty whether that player's mafia or not. Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime. On a final note: Player list seems to be 12 people long. Are there 12 of us? If so, please fix the "11 of 11 players remain" on the OP. Also, if there's 12 players, how many mafia and how many townies are there? The OP suggests 8 townies and 3 mafia, but that adds up to 11. Also, is role revealed after death, or merely which side you're on? On January 06 2010 04:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 19:47 Scamp wrote: Also isn't NemY the one that's supposed to claim medic on day one? Last time this happened the town got in a major BS argument day 1 and then won when our mafia leader ragequit because Vivi logged in 2 minutes late. Difference here is the fact that I know what I'm doing here. Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote: [1]Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime.
On a final note: [2]Player list seems to be 12 people long. Are there 12 of us? If so, please fix the "11 of 11 players remain" on the OP. Also, if there's 12 players, how many mafia and how many townies are there? The OP suggests 8 townies and 3 mafia, but that adds up to 11.
Also, is role revealed after death, or merely which side you're on? [1] - We'll discuss protection options as the day draws near an end. I'm leaning towards L or Ace tonight, depending on how each plays. [2] - I think we're at 12 (9 & 3) and this should be full reveal, not limited flip. Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote:
Day 1 roleclaiming medic is beyond ballsy, and your payoff seems to be little more than making a list and then having a dt check you OR telling the vig to hit a target and protecting it. How exactly is this not godfather play? I mean, I've already thought about the relative pros and cons of you doing this as a green, dt, vig, vet, medic, and godfather, but I want to hear what you've got to say about this. It does a number of things - it can provide a confirmed townie which is the worst possible thing for mafia to have to go up against, because it's someone that no matter what, they cannot push a lynch on, and worst of all - I'm not one of the top players in the game, so I'm not someone they want to waste a NK on either. Even if I'm barking up the completely wrong tree they have to try and kill me because they can't get me lynched once I'm confirmed. It forces mafia to play a guessing game. Sure, they had to play one before, but it was minimized. Now, they have to try and outguess the entire town. I can ask the town directly - who do we want to keep protected tonight and form a list. Mafia players will either have to sacrifice a potential target and put him up on the list or out themselves with a ridiculous choice and/or not post at all. Then at night they have to out-guess me in a wonderful game of who the fuck will I protect. Will I protect one of the targets offered up? Will I protect myself? Which of the targets will I protect. Doctor can be a much more powerful role out in the open. Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: If you're trying to absorb a dt check rather than anyone the DT wanted to check; that's interesting. We'd rather have checks on reds rather than on blues. If you're trying to get the vig to hit someone, that's double interesting. It would be triple interesting depending on how you asked him.
I wouldn't direct a vig to hit anyone and protect that, because our vigs are one-shot. There are later plans for any vigs. Regarding the DT, I have a plan for any potential DTs we have, but that steps in on D2. Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: You're probably not going to get lynched day 1, but then again it was highly unlikely that you would have been the eventual lynch target on the first day anyways. So objectively it seems like you're trying to call attention to yourself, which is the standard play for vets and godfathers. I'm a medic though. And I'm trying to do something different because I've seen it work, I've seen this tactic in play. Besides, as odd of a defense as it is, this is nowhere near my scum meta, even if I was GF. I much prefer to push attention away from myself, because I'm prone to fuckups if I try and be too active. Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Dunno, give me your take on it, and don't pretend that the list stupidity is a good idea granted that you could have had a mouth produce the list. The timing and activity in the thread indicates that there are very few people who could have gotten you as a mouth as well. The ability to be a confirmed townie and force mafia to adapt uncomfortably. The ability to force mafia into a guessing game. The ability to bring the town together and become a town leader here. Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:14 L wrote: Just seems a bit odd that no one's talking about it.
So we have 2 topics of interest now:
1) Medic claim 2) Who y'all wanna kill It does seem odd that no one is talking about it. Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 02:25 Ace wrote: I actually think it was a rather bad move. It's an 11 player game with 3 Mafia that have a grand total of 1 KP: why in the world would there be 2 medics?
This pretty much means judge is if innocent going to die Night 1 as there is 0 protection available if he really is a Medic. The only other circumstances come down to him being Mafia false role claiming Day 1, or he's the Vet hoping to absorb a hit. Either way I don't believe he's truly a medic because any real medic wouldn't have role claimed Day 1 in this format. I can protect myself. That was the kicker. It might not make sense for there to be two medics, but there very well could be. We don't know, and I don't try and out-guess the mod, no matter what the most likely scenario of "who should be scum" or "Why would he do this". @Scamp - I think I covered your points in my responses to L, so I'm not going to re-hash them if that's cool with you. Also, for a kill, I say if he doesn't really put effort into it, Chezinu should be the day 1 lynch. No matter what he flips, it's a win for town. On January 06 2010 06:40 Vivi57 wrote: Judge is probably vet or gf. Either way, using a rolecheck on him is a waste because it tells us nothing. Ace and L shouldn't be checked either because unless they're both mafia, they'll turn up town aligned.
Malongo and chezinu are the only people who haven't posted yet.
To anyone suggesting that judge is gf and the mafia doesn't hit anyone for a night so he can make some claim to saving someone, you're wrong. There's no way the mafia would take such a huge risk for such a small potential return. On January 06 2010 10:11 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 10:04 L wrote:On January 06 2010 09:39 Chezinu wrote: Ok, I will not use my usual tactics this game L. I was thinking about changing it up even before I read your post. I just ask of you if you can tone down your language? What language? I'm positively cordial this game, my good sir. Shhhh chezinu dont unleash daa beast. On January 07 2010 02:13 Scamp wrote:RoL does bring up some good points, and Ace and L both agree with me that overall Judge's claim is probably a dumb move. As I see it it's ballsy at best and bad at worst. *Off-topic* RoL I don't think you should criticize someone's spelling unless you want to be criticized for your mistakes too. So: You're = you are. Your = possessive. If you can say "you are" in place of "your" in the sentence and it makes sense, you used the wrong one. Sorry, I like to be a grammar nazi even though my spelling is atrocious. */Off-topic* Anyway, I'd like to point this out. Show nested quote +On January 06 2010 04:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: I'm a medic though. And I'm trying to do something different because I've seen it work, I've seen this tactic in play. Besides, as odd of a defense as it is, this is nowhere near my scum meta, even if I was GF. I much prefer to push attention away from myself, because I'm prone to fuckups if I try and be too active. Some links would be nice. I'd like to see this tactic in play and see it work well. Chezinu needs to post more or he's getting my vote. I do like Zato's analysis on Malongo too so I'd like to see his response to that. I'm also keeping my eye on a few other people, hopefully they'll post today. On January 07 2010 06:11 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 05:55 Ace wrote: No one has ever gotten a free pass for role claiming on Day 1 and those were almost always Detective claims. So why are we letting a Medic claim go? Because no matter what Judge really is we have the opportunity for some exceptional information. At the very least, I'm inclined to keep him around because he's got a plan he's going to put into action for better or for worse. Meanwhile there are several people who clearly aren't going to do jack shit, and it's very likely that there's at least one mafia in that group of people. I agree with what Zato said about voting for people, I just don't think there's enough on Malongo to vote for him right now. That being said, I also don't expect much to go on on day 1 either. It's now about 1PM PST. Voting ends at 8PM PST. If Malongo (also Chezinu, for that matter) doesn't post anything by 5PM PST I'm voting for him, since I'm going to be gone from 5PM onwards. On January 07 2010 07:29 Chezinu wrote: Since people want my opinion:
so far from what I read, the posts of RoL and vivi seem to interest me. Ace's post about townies don't lie made me laugh but L beat me to it. There is nothing I can post that is of value because of my name. My name makes all my posts a waste. No one can really take me seriously. Maybe if I change my tone people will listen? But then again I could be doing that on purpose for it fits my character. But what happens if someone's character changes?
Here I am trying not to post something of waste in the eyes of others. I have a question. What is a post in this game that isn't a waste? Everyone here has been through this game. There is no need to aid people in opening there minds to all possibilities. There is no need to state the noob mistakes some people make or if they are trying to make you think it is a noob mistake but really they did it on purpose ect....
So what are my thoughts...well, I was thinking that everyone has been accused this game except mikeymoo but vivi ended that... So really I have no thoughts that I can add. All I can do is write something that hopefully you guys dont think is a waste and wait for you guys to analysis me in this game of darkness. Really, this game takes blind faith sometimes especially on day 1. This is usually when I start messing with people for fun. But I decided to change my play...or did I really? Thats the thing, nothing I can say can mean anything thing especially because of my name. Yeah... nothing's really changed... To be great, I need to know that I have a chance to die if I don't come up with something. Then I post stuff so people leave me alone and then surprise people later with my actions. Especially when I'm blue. Chezinu makes no cases. You can't force him to read someone. You must let nature take its course. Looking back at the beginnings before I became a big-name player helps me realize that whatever town says, they are mostly wrong about me! GO GO MOTIVATION!
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On February 26 2013 12:26 randombum wrote: Just caught up, some thoughts. The idea of setting up votes so the the pardoner is the lynch target seems ridiculous.
Here's a crazy idea. What if we try to get scum elected on purpose. The idea is the mayor will probably not last every long in this set-up anyways.
My plan is basically we get a scummy person in the thread elected as mayor and get him to lynch the scummiest. Depending on what he does and how the flip goes we can gain a lot of good information. If the mayor is unwilling to lynch the scummiest then we can vig the mayor. If he turns red then we have caught two scum. If he does lynch him and he turns red then good, the scummiest looking player was scum. If the mayor lynches the scummiest and he turns green, then we have to seriously look at the mayor. If the mayor also turns out green, then the town really sucked.
Basically we use this vote to choose our lynch target and put a scummy player in the spotlight by making him mayor. While normally having a scum mayor would really suck, the fact that there are no bodyguards make it far less risky because we can simply vig him if his play sucks.
<3
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I'm NOT ALONE!!!! One who understands is playing!!!! Can't believed I missed you earlier! This sounds fun and exciting!
On February 26 2013 12:35 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:30 The Macho Man wrote:On February 26 2013 12:29 randombum wrote: Well obviously lynching scum is good. But the idea is we can use it to gain a lot of information that simply elected a town mayor who is likely to die does not. why are we trying to get information instead of lynching scum? Why are you treating gathering information and lynching scum as mutually exclusive. This plan involves lynching the scum target and putting another in the spotlight. I could get it if you said something like "this plan would never work because...." or something like that, but to simply dismiss it because gathering information is bad?
Wow! Its like your reading my mind but you said what I said in the past without me noticing it!!!
If you were scummier I would vote you for Mayor! Unless, you want to change your plans and become the publicly unprotected but secretly protected mayor.
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On February 28 2013 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote: You are one of like five players who have no opinions on anyone. I just wonder why you think that's okay. The day isn't over yet. Have faith!
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On February 28 2013 05:00 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote: You are one of like five players who have no opinions on anyone. I just wonder why you think that's okay. The day isn't over yet. Have faith! oh and I do have opinions! read my filter! I just don't have anything solid yet. When I do, it will be heard! Yes... it will be heard... muhahahahah!
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If the mutant doesn't pick someone to shoot, does he shoot himself?
If you get drenched with alcohol, are you too drunk to notice for days?
I'm back!
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Also, WHO KILLED MY DEPUTY!!!!!!!!! Now my only friend left is a bum...bummmer
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Mafia KP is Mafia #/2 Rounded Down with a minimum of 1.
Mutant has to shoot...
2 dead...
helps! the maths is broken!!!
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On March 01 2013 10:30 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 10:28 Chezinu wrote: Mafia KP is Mafia #/2 Rounded Down with a minimum of 1.
Mutant has to shoot...
2 dead...
helps! the maths is broken!!! Chezinu, we might be playing a game without third party. Night cover milkman... whay don't you hand me a bottle? If you know what I mean...
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Hey milkman, I hear you were be delivering them bottle *hicups* pretty late last night. THe Milkmans tolds me so...THey looked and tlaks a wike and it was fuzznyies.
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WHY YOU NO TALKS TO ME MR MILKMAN!!! Are you givin them bottles to that Milk Suckler! Where's my mooney!!! you scarez that I knows who you be?
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Dr. H, where were you last night? You call yourself a doctor? Yet you couldn't save the mayor nor my precious deputy!! WHAHAAA!!! Whos going to write my letters for me? We are all going to burn!!! Its all over!!! he is going to get us all drunk and we be wining and then and then BOOM! Firey explosion! all of town at once... he is going to wait and do it all at once!!!
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On March 01 2013 10:54 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 10:43 Chezinu wrote: WHY YOU NO TALKS TO ME MR MILKMAN!!! Are you givin them bottles to that Milk Suckler! Where's my mooney!!! you scarez that I knows who you be? Y u think he is the mutant? ooc: your totally missing it... unless you are who I say he is...
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On March 01 2013 11:00 Vivax wrote: Do you mean you just called me scum for shits and giggles?
Chez, do you have any proper reads besides some blabbering about third party paranoia? Dude, I'm a sheriff. I can't just go on and revealing my investigations publicly... except for those that are erroneously solved.
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On March 01 2013 11:06 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:04 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:00 Vivax wrote: Do you mean you just called me scum for shits and giggles?
Chez, do you have any proper reads besides some blabbering about third party paranoia? Dude, I'm a sheriff. I can't just go on and revealing my investigations publicly... except for those that are erroneously solved. Sheriff: As the Sheriff of this fine(ish) city, you spend each and every day keeping the peace and making sure nothing gets too out of hand. You may inspect a player each night and determine if they are Innocent or Guilty.So where does bartender fit into this? PSH.. that's no sheriff! Real sheriff got... welll... I cannot say atm.. I will just say that that sounds more like a weak detective.
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On March 01 2013 11:10 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:07 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:06 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:04 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:00 Vivax wrote: Do you mean you just called me scum for shits and giggles?
Chez, do you have any proper reads besides some blabbering about third party paranoia? Dude, I'm a sheriff. I can't just go on and revealing my investigations publicly... except for those that are erroneously solved. Sheriff: As the Sheriff of this fine(ish) city, you spend each and every day keeping the peace and making sure nothing gets too out of hand. You may inspect a player each night and determine if they are Innocent or Guilty.So where does bartender fit into this? PSH.. that's no sheriff! Real sheriff got... welll... I cannot say atm.. I will just say that that sounds more like a weak detective. Well if you the "sheriff" who can check bartenders.. I am happy to go all Warren G on u You should have seen me when I rolled a bank.. oh and I wasn't making money... I was literally the bank!
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On March 01 2013 11:12 Vivax wrote: Chez, can you just post a list of reads? Anything? Without snowmen and extraterrestrial voices? Who said anything about snow? Are you forseeing a nuclear winter? OH NOES WE ALL GOIN TO BURN!!!!
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On March 01 2013 11:14 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:12 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:10 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:07 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:06 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:04 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:00 Vivax wrote: Do you mean you just called me scum for shits and giggles?
Chez, do you have any proper reads besides some blabbering about third party paranoia? Dude, I'm a sheriff. I can't just go on and revealing my investigations publicly... except for those that are erroneously solved. Sheriff: As the Sheriff of this fine(ish) city, you spend each and every day keeping the peace and making sure nothing gets too out of hand. You may inspect a player each night and determine if they are Innocent or Guilty.So where does bartender fit into this? PSH.. that's no sheriff! Real sheriff got... welll... I cannot say atm.. I will just say that that sounds more like a weak detective. Well if you the "sheriff" who can check bartenders.. I am happy to go all Warren G on u You should have seen me when I rolled a bank.. oh and I wasn't making money... I was literally the bank! Chez.. if you were forced to nominate 1 of the 3 players for mayoral lynch.. who would you pick Geript... Jungle Jorge...MilkSuckler ITS A TRAP!!
Remain calm.... Please sir, put down the weapon!
Good.. my answer is + Show Spoiler +
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On March 01 2013 11:18 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:16 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:14 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:12 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:10 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:07 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:06 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:04 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:00 Vivax wrote: Do you mean you just called me scum for shits and giggles?
Chez, do you have any proper reads besides some blabbering about third party paranoia? Dude, I'm a sheriff. I can't just go on and revealing my investigations publicly... except for those that are erroneously solved. Sheriff: As the Sheriff of this fine(ish) city, you spend each and every day keeping the peace and making sure nothing gets too out of hand. You may inspect a player each night and determine if they are Innocent or Guilty.So where does bartender fit into this? PSH.. that's no sheriff! Real sheriff got... welll... I cannot say atm.. I will just say that that sounds more like a weak detective. Well if you the "sheriff" who can check bartenders.. I am happy to go all Warren G on u You should have seen me when I rolled a bank.. oh and I wasn't making money... I was literally the bank! Chez.. if you were forced to nominate 1 of the 3 players for mayoral lynch.. who would you pick Geript... Jungle Jorge...MilkSuckler ITS A TRAP!! Remain calm.... Please sir, put down the weapon! Good.. my answer is + Show Spoiler + Now I can really go Warren G on ya ass KK.. lets do it properly Jungle Jorge... Toadesstern... Milkman which 1 for instant lynch
OK, you good guy! As of now, I never really liked that Toad guy. He always put the wrong guys in jail.
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On March 01 2013 11:19 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:17 randombum wrote:On March 01 2013 10:26 The Milkman wrote:On March 01 2013 10:22 randombum wrote: I guess that came out badly, I mean it more like since my original case and who I was planning to really push for has now become less of a target in my mind I'm looking to be convinced about somebody else. If I don't find somebody worth sheeping then I'll go with jcarl. Look, go to a random number generator, put in 25 numbers and analyse the filter you get. If it is viscera or bc we still need to restate their thoughts because they are confirmed town and we might have missed something. I got 6. So glurio. Overall I like his posting. Something I noticed was he seems be to paying attention and caring. He mentions that quote he dislikes about OO, and remembers it later and still dis-likes it. The only thing I have agaisnt him is that he seemed to tunnel pretty hard on vivax, and then his last post is he now likes the effort vivax puts in. That was pretty short and easy to do so I'll do another one before I go play more dota. Cool.. that aligns with my thoughts. What do you do if you RNG yaself -_- lol wow, I finally figured out that RNG = random number generator!
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Q - 10 points Please outline in dot points why Toad is selected over Milkman
--The Milkman gives me bottles. Toad gives jail.---
--The Milkman is for me to handle. He gave me---
--the bottle and not the town. Justice is for Sheriff.
(10)
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On March 01 2013 11:27 Wade Fell wrote:I am completely convinced Chezinu is scum, and he should be lynched today ahead of any other considerations. He's scummy as hell and we cannot suffer a scum Chezinu to live. He must die. "But BH, aren't you just being moody? Chezinu is ALWAYS like this" Really? Let me tell you how he's been 1) during D1 he offered no reads or thoughts of substance, just blathering 2) he ninja voted me for an initially unexplained reason, and as it has been said, it is highly likely at least one scum was voting for me 3) his reason for voting me, that I have off a "Town vibe" with no other explanation, is suspect (link) because Chezinu as town loves trolling with his votes Now, poeple will say "But Chezinu always trolls" but this is wrong, example: Chezinu in LVIII explains (in his chezinu-like fashion) his votes. (link) when he is a townie. He trolls (link) but he also pushes a townie agenda (link) trying to prevent mislynches and he writes posts explaining reads, even if they STILL TROLL at the same time (link). Chezinu is not a worthless townie. Contrast his play as a townie to his play this game (link). Straight-up trolling without contributing, or even his super high level massive troll/analysis paragraphs. He (?)claims sheriff at the start of D2 and he's not sharing his thoughts, even in a trolling fashion. This is scum Chezinu. I know this in my heart, I know this from having played with him, and I know this from how he's playing this game. Lynch him. ##vote Chezinu
Wait, your BH?? I thought you were Palmer!
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So, how did I score on the test?
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I said that I am the sheriff! THe sheriff with the gun! Not some weak detective!
##shoot The Milkman
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On March 01 2013 11:43 Wade Fell wrote: wait is chezinu really the day vig? that makes no sense
day vig if you are not chezinu shoot chezinu I am the day vig. I pray that milkman is the mafia merch. If not, IF YOU KILL ME YOU GET LYNCHED!!!
LOLOLOLO MAHAHAHAAHHA!
YEAAA HAWW!!
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On February 28 2013 05:01 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 05:00 Chezinu wrote:On February 28 2013 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote: You are one of like five players who have no opinions on anyone. I just wonder why you think that's okay. The day isn't over yet. Have faith! oh and I do have opinions! read my filter! I just don't have anything solid yet. When I do, it will be heard! Yes... it will be heard... muhahahahah! Yup! Told you guys! The shot heard round Liquidia!
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On March 01 2013 11:46 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:42 Chezinu wrote: I said that I am the sheriff! THe sheriff with the gun! Not some weak detective!
##shoot The Milkman Its not bolded... ##Shoot: The Milkman
There I;m bold. I asked questions first. But he didn't answer, so I shot. Can't say I didn't ask first...
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If there is another day vig, please wait to see flip first. The truth will save me.
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Just so you guys know, I didn't do it for the cheznos. I just wanted to save town from burning.
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On March 01 2013 11:52 Wade Fell wrote: that being said if chez shot a townie drop him, he's probably a mafia day vig This is why I don't like games with guns. I always die immediately when guns are live. I'm glad I had the gun this time. Atleast guns weren't active day 1 and motbob is not here.
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On March 01 2013 11:53 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:53 Chezinu wrote: Just so you guys know, I didn't do it for the cheznos. I just wanted to save town from burning. Lets wait for the flip.. like u said u pm grey? oh no, it just said to type in thread. That's a good idea though!
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This is the first time Chez had a gun... THis is not a drill.. unlike the ... uh I don't know how many other times.... Oh wait... I had a gun before... I was shot before I used it!!! MOTBOB!! I have learned to go han solo. Experience, the cruel teacher.
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On March 01 2013 11:56 geript wrote: Chez I would've hearted you more if you had shot the suckling. I was planning to initially. If it was day 1. He was my actual target. But the milkman is way too quite.
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On March 01 2013 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote: The chaos.....THE CHAOS So....is there gonna be a flip or can we get back to productive discussion? there is going to be a flip. In green you could confirm. Milkman... your blood is my only hope.... save me!
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As SK I didn't shoot... As town, I fake shot so many times I can't recall...
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On March 01 2013 12:13 Wade Fell wrote: Chezinu needs to be not-alive. IMO dayvig him or lynch him
I've outlined why, and his behavior today only reinforces how important it is to lynch him, and how obviously he is scum. Wait and see the flip and your mind will be changed. I'm pretty confident I shot the right one. I demodulated a signal that told me so.
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Just know I did this, remember it was me:
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Why didn't you answer me?
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Well... it was me or him... the mafia would have shot me with the excuse of following town orders and no one would have thought anything of it. I would have been instantly killed without being able to shoot back (flash back to motbob).
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On March 01 2013 12:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Resolving Chezinu's alignment:
If you are a town dayvig in this game you MUST shoot Chezinu right now. I am not inclined to believe Chezinu is the scum dayvig because the scumteam would see this logic coming. There is no sense in shooting Milkman, a player scum has no reason to be afraid of. If you instead prefer to claim tonight, we will lynch you and set town night KP on Chezinu. It is a 1:1 trade.
If there is no claim or shot, we can assume Chezinu is in fact the town dayvig so leaping onto him now is beside the point. There is a chance to actually confirm his alignment or get a 50/50 chance with it so I would like to move forward with my points on Toadesstern. Hold your horses BH, this is an easy resolution.
This is a semi-open setup but scum would never take the chance of using the dayvig power this early when there is a chance of a counterclaim. I refuse to believe scum would be that reckless after losing Day 1. mafia won't shoot me now. They will just get me lynched.
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On March 01 2013 12:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Chezinu, explain right now why you felt you should shoot the Milkman of any player. There was nothing really scummy about him.
I will wait for a counterclaim to make any further decision regarding Chezinu's alignment because we have a rare chance at actually getting an objective confirmation in this game. Any discussion prior to that will be unproductive I think. You and wade ordered the day vig to shoot me. The majority of town voted for you two. I had flashback of getting shot by motbob day one. I shot milkman because thats who I was currently hunting and he never responded to me.
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On March 01 2013 12:44 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 12:43 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 12:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Chezinu, explain right now why you felt you should shoot the Milkman of any player. There was nothing really scummy about him.
I will wait for a counterclaim to make any further decision regarding Chezinu's alignment because we have a rare chance at actually getting an objective confirmation in this game. Any discussion prior to that will be unproductive I think. You and wade ordered the day vig to shoot me. The majority of town voted for you two. I had flashback of getting shot by motbob day one. I shot milkman because thats who I was currently hunting and he never responded to me. You were accusing him of being the bartender i awnt to know why.... To get his reaction. Thats how I read people . I cause chaos and watch people's behavior. In strange circumstances, people are more likely to slip up.
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On March 01 2013 12:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: So wait...
DrH, if Chez flips town, would you be looking at grush to be scum dayvig?
It's something like this that would make it easy for grush to gain towncred cuz he can claim "I WAS JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS FROM DRH" That's was my point. And why I shot before being shot at. Its like Here mafia day vig shoot chez without any repercussions!
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On March 01 2013 12:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 12:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 12:49 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 01 2013 12:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 12:45 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 01 2013 12:37 grush57 wrote: ##Shoot: Chezinu ##Vote: Toadesstern These 2 are scum... I hate my brain. + Show Spoiler +Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM If Chezinu gets shot by a second dayvig and isn't scum then we have confirmed the other dayvig as scum. If Chezinu is the town dayvig, the mafia dayvig will never claim and can never use his KP and he'll be confirmed town in my eyes. Too big a risk to take as scum, since if he were the scum dayvig he would have the foresight to see that the town dayvig would just shoot him. Does that make sense? If he is the town dayvig he can do this to confirm his role and force the mafia dayvig into not using his shot because it would reveal scum. Are we never going to talk about toadesstern today Why are you necessarily making the assumption that there is 1 town dayvig and 1 scum dayvig? Why couldn't there be 2 town dayvig? Quite possible. But because scum has no prior knowledge of the setup I don't think they would use this shot in response to early Day 2 pressure because fear of counterclaim. If there is no other claim, I'm inclined to let Chezinu live for now but for balance reasons I think scum having 1 dayvig and town having none is incredibly unlikely. It is probably either 2 in favor of town or 1:1. Either way it would be a more productive way of dealing with Chezinu right now. I'm not sure I can be accused of defending him when I'm asking for him to be shot. Ok...I think I'm following. I'm not disagreeing with ridding of Chez. What I'm disagreeing with is the thought process that if Chez flips green, that automatically makes grush red. It makes him look worse, sure. But it is just as likely that grush could be green and trying to jump on the opportunity to rid of Chez thinking he's scum. Hypothetical: Wouldn't a scum dayvig know that Chez is green, and shooting him would reveal that? This makes it seem, in my mind at least, that grush is town just knowing that he wouldn't out himself as a vig if he were scum. ...I think my train of thought it followable
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On March 01 2013 13:15 MilkSuckler wrote: Im over this.. im starting to think grush was just trolling
Geript. i will have a look through what you wrote later on.. im not sure why your pushing the point though.. Toad has enough evidence on him to justify a consolidated vote
So i am not sure what you are trying to prove. With the milkman gone.... Got milk?
Also, sorry for crying over the split milk...
actually... the jokes aren't helping how I feel...
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I'm back!
and I wasn't shot. Looks like mafia is trying to get me lynched now. But you guys better watch out! You guys don't even know how many bullets I have nor how many times I can shoot in one day... Don't you love semi-open setups?
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On March 02 2013 04:19 geript wrote: Chez that is not a defense. Yeah, I don't defend or make cases.
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I think it would be time consuming to point out the flaws in people accusations at this point such as activity level =/= alignment. That just states how busy someone is, people just think I'm scum because my activity is similar to my last game which I was mafia. If you want a fair assessment you wouldn't just look at my recent games. If you know me, the majority of the games I am mafia - I was extremely acitve in thread - similar to that of town. Activity isn't an indicator.
I'm not going to bother with that. I've been saying that for far to long and people only listen to me post game. I'm just going to make my list and you can accept it or not. I have no grounds to ask for mercy at this point.
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I plead guilty for murdering the milkman.
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On March 02 2013 04:31 geript wrote: Fine then, what's your read on Moc? is Moc the milk suckler? If so, one of my first bad impressions... but if its truly moc - it could be like marv which gives me bad vibes.
Ok! Writing me list, I have to go in 15 min so I need to hurry!
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On March 02 2013 04:34 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 04:28 Chezinu wrote: I think it would be time consuming to point out the flaws in people accusations at this point such as activity level =/= alignment. That just states how busy someone is, people just think I'm scum because my activity is similar to my last game which I was mafia. If you want a fair assessment you wouldn't just look at my recent games. If you know me, the majority of the games I am mafia - I was extremely acitve in thread - similar to that of town. Activity isn't an indicator.
I'm not going to bother with that. I've been saying that for far to long and people only listen to me post game. I'm just going to make my list and you can accept it or not. I have no grounds to ask for mercy at this point. So you're not going to bother defending yourself or making cases, you shoot a townie and have no basis to back it up other than the inane shit you were spewing throughout the thread? What exactly do you expect from us based on what you've given us? There are so many things I don't understand about how people play this game apparently. How is trolling a legitimate strategy if you're town, Chez? its how I read people. I'm a reaction reader.
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2.grush57 he is a star 3. Vivax - he is one of the best town players, I said last game 6. glurio - null 7. TestSubject893 - don't recall posts 8. jcarlsoniv - first made me think I was mafia before I checked my role cause he knew I didn't check my role... false alarm 9. The Macho Man 10. Chaos Bear - not present 11. randombum He understands important matters 12. WaveofShadow 15. MilkSuckler - don't like this guy 16. Wade Fell - liked him... then found out he was BH whom I used the Chez rule on in the past... Why he hates me 17. ObviousOne one of my summoners... no sure where he went 18. geript 19. DoctorHelvetica can't seem to save anyone 20. JungleJorge 21. Hassybaby - I cried mored 22. Restraining Order 24. layabout 25. aquanim similar thoughts like me
Alright, gtg... might be back, we'll see
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Hey doc, are you really able to save people?
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So, when I get pardoned we need to make sure to have a second suspect ready to get lynched. Ignore the doctor. He is going to use his mafia powers to make you think that I am mafia. Then he will lynch another townie. Next day lynch me. Until finally you guys decide to lynch him. Trust in Wade guys, except for his hatred for me getting him lynch cause he broke the Chezinu rule. Btw, thanks for the rule!
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On March 02 2013 08:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 08:38 Chezinu wrote: So, when I get pardoned we need to make sure to have a second suspect ready to get lynched. Ignore the doctor. He is going to use his mafia powers to make you think that I am mafia. Then he will lynch another townie. Next day lynch me. Until finally you guys decide to lynch him. Trust in Wade guys, except for his hatred for me getting him lynch cause he broke the Chezinu rule. Btw, thanks for the rule! We still have like 24 hours left We do?
So this game isn't over!!!
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Yes, Justice!
How fast are your hands Wade?
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*points gun at wade*
all I got to do is pull the trigger
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On March 02 2013 11:00 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 10:55 Chezinu wrote: Yes, Justice!
How fast are your hands Wade? come on man you know you would do your little secret message if you were town they are no where that i see i just see you little wifom list. The signals are there and they have been quoted.
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On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote: Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts.
Why summon me and then disappear when I show up? Why summon me and then want to lynch me? What type of gamer are you? You just spawned me for the xp and cheznos didn't you?
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On March 03 2013 05:39 TestSubject893 wrote: Layabout, what are trying to get done with this argument with geript? Did you see him as scummy before it? I'm trying to follow your reasoning and having trouble. I was thinking the same thing. He doesn't put his vote where is mouth is. I started thinking, why would mafia want to get killed in my place. It doesn't make sense. Then I thought, why would a town... doesn't make sense. Then third party... doesn't make sense. So, I am assuming the use of reverse psychology back firing.
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On March 03 2013 05:51 layabout wrote: There is no reason to lynch geript before chezinu, since chez is confirmed not 3rd party. I would say third party is the number one target for town to kill as I mentioned earlier. You do not want the bartender living too long. The longer he lives, the more lively the town will burn. The goal of the third party is to live as long as possible. If you want to live, you don't go off shooting, martyring, or burning people early in the game. You want to save your actions to the last second. And BOOOM!!! everyone around you burns. Atleast.. that's what I would do. It makes the game interesting..
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On March 03 2013 06:09 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 05:54 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote: I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.
Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum. The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred. I don't need towncred, there are only 3 ppl in the game that might look townier than me. And asking someone what they think is not attacking them, calling them scum or insulting them is attacking them. When it comes to mafiavs3rd party if we kill mafia it reduces the number of KP each night by 1 guaranteed. A bartender can at most do this by only choosing to mark targets. A mutant is less likely and in any case our jailer is outed and our medic was modkilled so the KP is only as dangerous as mafias. 3rd party can also kill mafia. Mafia flipping is also more useful in terms of information. ah, your right. So if someone burns earlier, could that mean the bartender is scared of getting lynched? or is he setting up a trap to make town think he is about to get lynch so they keep biggest suspects.. yeah... this logic is going in circles..
So, it only makes sense to lynch him over me (if you think I'm mafia) only if he is mafia. I get your logic now.
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On March 03 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 05:54 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote: I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.
Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum. The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred. I think any argument towards Geript at this point is completely useless at this point considering he's not actively trying to defend himself; rather he picks and chooses what he's going to ignore and what he's going to respond to and whether he feels on acting martyr-y at the moment. According to ME, (since we didn't have a vote count too recently), Vote count is 13 for Chez and 6 for Geript right now, so that does not make him likely To get lynched in ~2.5 hours(?) At least I hope not; as I've stated before I really just don't feel like giving him what he appears to want. If he really wants to be lynched that badly he can wait a day. Chez is more important in my eyes; I don't care what Geript flips as much as I do Chez. Actually, it is plenty of time. I have seen town switch bandwagons twice in less than an hour to lynch mafia. was on one town then another then switched again to mafia. Oh, and don't underestimate the signals and invisible waves. I'm just a ploy to draw people out. or to find those who stay in hiding.
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Before I go, I would like people to know that I did try to redeem myself. Sorry for wasting my vig shot and causing two deaths instead of letting mafia just shoot me. I think I'm going to step away from mafia for awhile. It seems I am far from my prime mafia days. Well, I thought I would share my failed attempts at finding mafia, cause I am one that doesn't give up easily (though I may take long breaks at times). I decided to go old school and try and infiltrate the mafia IRC. To begin, I went undercover as a weak detective now that I didn't have my gun. I went were the place where many scum are found. #TL Mafia. + Show Spoiler +
At first I went channel hopping while always having my base at TL Mafia. I whois players and found the other channels they were in and joined them. I started with Palmar. I ended joining TL-ABS or something like that. Lots of people in that channel. I even found a guy named "Mr. Brown". I continued channel hopping and got nothing. So then I decided to join #teamliquid to see if I could locate any player and find alternative channels.. well nothing. So I just stayed sitting in TL Mafia as my undercover (oh forgot to say, the cover name was Lenwe). I decided to watch netflix as I was taking a long break cause you know... I don't give up... IT WAS JUST A BREAK!!. After watching netflix, I looked in the channel and couldn't believe what I saw... BH, iamp, and test subject joined the channel. few minutes later thrawn joined.. Nothing big yet... but it got me cautious... I checked for alternative channels and just got #TL debate. I hoped in and out of it fast. No sign of a mafia IRC. So, I just sat in the TL Mafia channel.. just waiting for them to speak... to show a sign. BH soon timed out.. I saw this golden opportunity...I created a new tab and a new username... called Blazinghand. He joined into the channel soon after BH left. I waited for a secret message to be passed to this new creation.... and you know what I got? nothing... the other soon left the channel... My mission to find the mafia IRC failed... My searches for the mafia qt were less eventful..
With that, I am no longer worthy to be called sheriff. I am not even worthy to be called a weak detective. I am a murder. I shot the milkman. Another failure on my part. So, here I am on verge of the LVP reward. However, I do give up. I will not quit. I will be strong. I will be brown. In these last hours, I will do my best to help town by playing the sane game.
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Wade it is not you I fear. It was the doctor. the one who couldn't save people. he was the one who threaten me, not you. Pardon, my rudeness.
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On March 03 2013 07:51 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 07:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Anyway isn't looking for mafia irc cheating no it isn't, it's a bit against the spirit of the game though + Show Spoiler + It is common for mafia to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk.
aqua i shouldn't be the one to point out why to you but you should think i am town.
infiltrating has been around for ever. Although, in recent times breaking into qt and IRC has become difficult because people have become good at it. Now hosts usually supply quicktopics that are secured.
The second TL mafia game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925
As it looks like I am about to die. I want town to know I was masoned.
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On March 03 2013 08:13 layabout wrote: By who chezinu? I don't think it is wise to expose the mason. Don't want him to get killed. Just know that if someone get masoned by someone tomorrow. Know that the conversation with me is real.
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oh in case people are wondering that is why I kept referencing signals, invisible waves, and demodulating..etc
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Oh yeah I forgot, sorry about the triple post, ignore the red on that list I made. That was used to generate reads. Dr. H is a pretty cool guy. Trust him more than Wade now.
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On March 03 2013 08:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Did your conversation with your mason partner have anything to do with why you shot Milkman?
On March 01 2013 12:17 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 12:13 Wade Fell wrote: Chezinu needs to be not-alive. IMO dayvig him or lynch him
I've outlined why, and his behavior today only reinforces how important it is to lynch him, and how obviously he is scum. Wait and see the flip and your mind will be changed. I'm pretty confident I shot the right one. I demodulated a signal that told me so.
maybe..hehe
usually town can read me better and would pick up on this! Wish BC was here!
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On March 03 2013 08:32 The Macho Man wrote: logs chez do you have them? just get rid of names i can tell if they are fake or not. Chezinu: it had to be done Chezinu: I had to shoot first Mason: lol Chezinu: Dr. H threaten to have somone shoot me Chezinu: the mafia is going to shoot me with their merc Mason: why would you shoot the milkman though Mason: thats not even the guy you are arguing with Chezinu: "Gettin' real tired of your shit, Chez" Chezinu: lololol Chezinu: no one believes me Mason: haha
here is part of a log ok, so maybe I did shoot without my mason knowing...lol
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Chezinu: For the second time Milk suckler misunderstands my claims Chezinu: me pretending to demodulate signals roleclaims radio....me saying milkman is handing out bottle while acting drunk is me saying he is a bartender Chezinu: for the record Chezinu: the screaming of burning should help Chezinu: plus I got a gun Chezinu: and sheriffs got guns Chezinu: and sheriffs got guns Mason: the sherffs has got guns Chezinu: yeah Chezinu: I lagged and it said it twice Mason: lol
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Chezinu: I was never informed of my one bullet Chezinu: I was planning on shooting again.. Chezinu: well am I going to die? Mason: um why do you think that was balanced? Chezinu: The Op never said how many bullets I have! Mason: ? Chezinu: I assume that I have one shot per day Mason: town vig could live cause of jailing and protects Mason: mafia wouldn’t be able to kill him
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On March 01 2013 10:48 Chezinu wrote: We are all going to burn!!! Its all over!!! he is going to get us all drunk and we be wining and then and then BOOM! Firey explosion! all of town at once... he is going to wait and do it all at once!!!
On March 03 2013 05:56 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 05:51 layabout wrote: There is no reason to lynch geript before chezinu, since chez is confirmed not 3rd party. I would say third party is the number one target for town to kill as I mentioned earlier. You do not want the bartender living too long. The longer he lives, the more likely the town will burn. The goal of the third party is to live as long as possible. If you want to live, you don't go off shooting, martyring, or burning people early in the game. You want to save your actions to the last second. And BOOOM!!! everyone around you burns. Atleast.. that's what I would do. It makes the game interesting..
Called it.
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