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On March 12 2013 07:23 GreYMisT wrote:
Day 6 Vote count
WaveofShadow (2): DoctorHelvetica, TestSubject893
DoctorHelvetica (1): WaveofShadow, randombum
randombum (1): grush57, WaveofShadow
TestSubject893 (1): WaveofShadow
Currently no one is set to be lynched. The day will end in 37 minutes!
randombum is voting for WoS I think.
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Well, I guess that means randombum is scum and grush is the bartender? Since I'm pretty sure I lose at this point, its up to you two to convince me who deserves to win.
I'm heading to bed now. I'll check the thread in the morning.
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Randombum has a point, but there's no use in lynching grush anymore with randombum basically claiming scum.
##Vote: randombum
What time does the day actually end? Its still on the hour, not just 3 hours from that post, correct?.
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On March 13 2013 05:41 randombum wrote:
How did I claim scum?
We all know there is only one town left. Calling grush bad because he isn't pro-town enough implies you think he's town. If you were town you'd know he wasn't.
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On March 13 2013 05:49 randombum wrote:
You jumping to scum conclusion implies your the bar-tender though.
Yes, it does.
On March 13 2013 05:58 randombum wrote:
Also, changing my vote because I don't like how test subject has 3 letters in his name.
Do you mean numbers?
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On March 13 2013 06:12 randombum wrote:
Yeah, Whoops. Can I ask why you ignited night 5? I'm guessing you assumed milksuckler told the truth and would be shot so you might as well go out with a bang?
I thought he either lying about where his bombs were or I could talk him out of it, so I ignited, with him doused, just to get the numbers down, while I still thought I had a chance of having his bombs not on me. I was gonna have to set off his bombs eventually, so that was as good a time as any.
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Oh, they shot aqua N5. That's interesting, I figured he was the other bomb from mocsta.
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On March 13 2013 08:09 marvellosity wrote:
lol well done Testsubject. well deserved.
Thanks.
I guess I can edit now, sorry for the double post, haha.
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Mocsta, I need to know, did this post change how you laid your bombs that night?
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On March 13 2013 09:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm pretty upset at my play in this game. I can blame it as much as I want on inactivity and losing interest after a great 2-3 days but I need to get out of this habit of abandoning my good reads that come up early in the game and just sheeping other people because I'm too lazy to keep up the activity level. If I could play the way I play Day 1 throughout a whole game, I'd be a much better player. But I never do.
I had convinced myself you were scum sometime around day 3, but was too afraid of the spotlight to say anything.
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On March 13 2013 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm also changing my policy of avoiding lurkers. I've always felt that lurkers are extremely hard to deal with and early in the game it's easy for mafia to deflect the lynch onto town lurkers versus their own but I don't care anymore. When you get to crunch time and there's nothing to analyze because half the surviving players have 1 page filters or 3 page filters full of nothing that's a terrrrrrible situation to be in
I'm curious; would you put me in the category of lurker this game?
On March 13 2013 09:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 13 2013 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm also changing my policy of avoiding lurkers. I've always felt that lurkers are extremely hard to deal with and early in the game it's easy for mafia to deflect the lynch onto town lurkers versus their own but I don't care anymore. When you get to crunch time and there's nothing to analyze because half the surviving players have 1 page filters or 3 page filters full of nothing that's a terrrrrrible situation to be in This is something I wanted to talk about on the podcast. If you go after lurkers early you're never put in the situation you just described, and you get links to the scummy deflection to boot. Obviously if the whole fucking town lurks there's nothing you can do, but I feel like some lurker death early on would dissuade those kinds of shady tactics in future games... I've also started to think we need to punish bad town play more. People like grush57 surviving to endgame is an atrocity and having this attitude of "Well, that's just what he does" is really hurting TL Mafia as a whole. If the level of play is going to increase, resulting in better and more entertaining games, there has to be punishment for effortless and bad play and not permissiveness. If not lynches, then temporary bans or forcing these players to play with a coach/shadow in their next game.
All game I was asking myself how this attitude ever became prominent. Seems really anti-town to not kill him every game for playing that way.
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On March 13 2013 12:28 Aquanim wrote:
feh.
Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch).
At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/
Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers).
I wouldn't blame yourself for not lynching me. The first several days I played exactly as I would as town and when I was attacking your case I was doing it sincerely. I really did think you didn't have enough to go on.
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On March 13 2013 13:07 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2013 12:48 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 13 2013 12:28 Aquanim wrote:
feh.
Even more disappointed I couldn't push the TS lynch through. That's my responsibility in the end, I suppose, but I definitely felt nobody really read it (until maybe WoS just before his lynch).
At least I was a NK for mafia and not just collateral damage to arsonist/hatter :/
Definitely sticking to minis for the future, this was not an enjoyable experience (too much thread and too many lurkers). I wouldn't blame yourself for not lynching me. The first several days I played exactly as I would as town and when I was attacking your case I was doing it sincerely. I really did think you didn't have enough to go on. For the record, when I wrote that case I was as convinced (if not more) that you were scum as I have ever been about anyone else in a game of mafia. You were just not assertive, at all. I appreciate you said something about finding scum by intensive conversation with people - as far as I could tell you weren't doing that either, you'd just done nothing for four days. Obviously your view and my view of your play differ rather a lot. Unfortunately the only real way I had to convince anyone was to say "go read his filter". And nobody could be bothered.
I feel like you'd have probably come to the same conclusion if I was town then, lol. The thread was moving so fast the first few days that I spent almost all of my time on the game reading it, as opposed to contributing. My alignment wasn't going to change that.
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On March 13 2013 13:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think the way TestSubject handled being accused was smart, if it was intentional.
I'm actually gonna make an audio post about this soon but basically good scum defense imo is all about figuring out what town sentiment is and determining how threatened you actually are. If you're not under threat suddenly making huge contributions and getting drawn into a 1 on 1 argument over a long period of time will bring a huge amount of attention on you.
There's always a certain group of players who make it on everyones list of probable scum but no one ever makes the time to really pressure them and one of them is almost always scum/3rd party and they often win games.
I think the absolute most important part of scum play is determining what town sentiment/direction is and subtly manipulating it. Making the towniest/most logical post is not the best thing to do. A town player could make an absolutely shut down case that makes absolute sense but that doesn't mean anyone will care. No one cared about TestSubject and that's exactly what you should want if you have that kind of role. Town should learn from the way he got away with very little pressure basically always under the guise of "ok he looks bad but we'll lynch him later" over and over again (of which I'm also guilty)
I fall into this trap. Testsubject by Day 3 was WAY more suspicious than glurio or even geript to me but I pushed the other reads instead because I felt I had more to analyze or I had figured town sentiment lied elsewhere and it's a big mistake to play that way
Plus, I kind of wanted to be on some people's radars as scummy to help avoid being night killed. I made a point of not reacting to every little post that mentioned me on a list of scum.
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