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TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 09 2013 18:19 GMT
#4143
I guess I didn't realize how open communication was between the hosts and the mafia. I've only had one game as mafia and it was a very long time ago. In that game the only communication the host had with us that I remember was at the very beginning of the game.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 09 2013 19:07 GMT
#4148
On March 10 2013 04:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Are there armorers in this game? You should claim. Scum with a dayvig and just having a mad hatter seems crazy to me. I'm looking at people like TS who are jumping on the Vivax bandwagon without really seeming that sure. TestSubject even wrote up a post explaining what he felt unsure about and I don't see the point in doing that unless you're actually worried about people suspecting you for voting someone we all seem to agree to vote for, I don't get it.


OO asked me to. That's what I gathered from his post anyway.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 09 2013 21:06 GMT
#4153
On March 10 2013 04:13 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2013 04:07 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 10 2013 04:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Are there armorers in this game? You should claim. Scum with a dayvig and just having a mad hatter seems crazy to me. I'm looking at people like TS who are jumping on the Vivax bandwagon without really seeming that sure. TestSubject even wrote up a post explaining what he felt unsure about and I don't see the point in doing that unless you're actually worried about people suspecting you for voting someone we all seem to agree to vote for, I don't get it.


OO asked me to. That's what I gathered from his post anyway.

I thought I was asking you to expand on your thought about Vivax--Jcarl relationship speculation because otherwise your post was just noise. What exactly was your vector of analysis between them? You made a statement but it left me confused (admittedly, I am confused all the time).


Well the main reason for that post was to inform the thread that I was voting.

I think jcarl is scum, and I feel like if they were both scum vivax wouldn't be pushing to kill him because it would be his last teammate alive. It could be a bus though. Its all pretty WIFOM, so I'm not sure there's much we can gain from it.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 10 2013 00:01 GMT
#4158
I can't believe they shot their own teammate, lol.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 10 2013 00:05 GMT
#4159
Aqua looks a lot better now that vivax was actually scum. I might have to rethink my position on him. I'm thinking jcarl is my top player to lynch tomorrow now.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 10 2013 22:01 GMT
#4188
Hmm, I don't know what to tell you on the bar tender thing, Mocsta. Is there any reasons other than not spending as much time as others on this game that you think I'm the bar tender? This feels like more of a gut read from you and if that's the case I guess there's nothing I can say to change that.

I could definitely see Aqua being bartender. I still believe he knew his case against me was lousy before posting it, based on how he defended it. It could be the case that he was just doing it to feign contribution, which would make sense if he was 3rd party.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 10 2013 23:22 GMT
#4194
Well shit.

Looking at the people left alive I think randombum has to be the bar tender, but right now the last mafia needs to be a higher priority because he can kill us faster. Everyone alive still was null or better in my book, but my gut reaction with these 5 is that the scum has to be WoS or DrH.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 20:51 GMT
#4240
Geez, this is tough. Right now I'm thinking WoS is scum and randombum is bar tender. Its gonna be important that we consolidate our vote asap, since a no-lynch is basically game over here, I think. My vote goes on WoS for now.

##Vote: WaveofShadow
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 21:28 GMT
#4256
On March 12 2013 06:21 randombum wrote:
I want to say test-subject is scum because of his willingness to drop a one-liner to get majority on you and then lurk away. Best case scenario for scum is to get a lynch quick without having to commit which is exactly what he did there.


What else do you want me to say? I think that discussion between WoS and DrH was telling. WoS seemed all over the place in his motivation, trying just to discredit DrH rather than show he was scum.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 21:30 GMT
#4257
On March 12 2013 06:27 randombum wrote:
The thing is, I don't think Dr.H ever set the train on anybody. Lets go by the lynch order. Prom, chez, geript, gluri, and vivax.

Prom- lots of people made cases on him Dr.H was one of him, but I believe prom would have been lynched without Dr.H
Chez- pretty much all wade.
Geript- started with wade, then pretty much geript himself self-exploding.
Glurio- Started from macho man, then milk got behind it. I forgot how Dr.H fit in here
Vivax- JJ + milksuckler figuring out night action logic which pointed towards vivax

In none of them would I say Dr.H set the train. He was relatively involved in all of them, but I think they would have happened without him.


What are you getting at with this? I'm not following.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 21:32 GMT
#4260
On March 12 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think DrH was involved in any of them aside from the Prom lynch to be honest. It was the only one at all into which he actually put pages worth of effort into.
And then of course he uses his excuses "well I don't like trying after the first couple days of a game, I don't read roles etc."

My point was with regards to the Prom lynch. Yes you're probably right he would have been lynched anyway, but DrH REALLY pushed that along and refused to let any discussion of it die D1. Makes complete sense from a 3rd party player PoV.


I don't think that's 3rd party motivated. He was putting a big target on his back by being so vocal and helpful to the town. I think DrH is the least likely player remaining to be bartender. He could be scum though.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 21:36 GMT
#4263
On March 12 2013 06:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 06:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:21 randombum wrote:
I want to say test-subject is scum because of his willingness to drop a one-liner to get majority on you and then lurk away. Best case scenario for scum is to get a lynch quick without having to commit which is exactly what he did there.


What else do you want me to say? I think that discussion between WoS and DrH was telling. WoS seemed all over the place in his motivation, trying just to discredit DrH rather than show he was scum.

WTF?
How do you figure? I made a huge case regarding him being bartender. I've already said I don't know who's scum, for all I know it could be you because I haven't looked at you yet. I'm not all over the place in motivation at all. I want to survive and I town to win, but it has been very difficult for me to do it alone when I get ignored the whole thread and now everyone is voting me. Of course I'm going to fucking try and discredit DrH when he sets a weak as fuck train rolling on me today, thinking he can set that and leave allowing him to douse someone else tonight.


Maybe I misinterpreted your intent in some of those posts then. Either way, I think concluding that DrH is 3rd party seems really naive to me. He's been the center of attention often, and 3rd party doesn't want that.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 21:38 GMT
#4265
On March 12 2013 06:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 06:32 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 12 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think DrH was involved in any of them aside from the Prom lynch to be honest. It was the only one at all into which he actually put pages worth of effort into.
And then of course he uses his excuses "well I don't like trying after the first couple days of a game, I don't read roles etc."

My point was with regards to the Prom lynch. Yes you're probably right he would have been lynched anyway, but DrH REALLY pushed that along and refused to let any discussion of it die D1. Makes complete sense from a 3rd party player PoV.


I don't think that's 3rd party motivated. He was putting a big target on his back by being so vocal and helpful to the town. I think DrH is the least likely player remaining to be bartender. He could be scum though.

Of course that's 3rd party motivated. 3rd party wants scum lynched as well, especially as bartender so he can sit back at night and douse a whole bunch of townies while not being under suspicion during the day. Plus he had protection on him N1 as for the big target, didn't he?


Didn't you attack him earlier today for not being killed at night yet? Obviously 3rd party doesn't want to be killed at night and would try to minimize the chance of this by being less vocal. You can't have it both ways.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 21:44 GMT
#4268
I see where you're coming from, and frankly all that's important right now, randombum, is that we agree he's not super likely he's the bartender. If you want me to vote for DrH today WoS, its going to be because I think he's scum, not because I think he's bartender, and you simply haven't convinced me of that. You're the scummiest player here, Wave.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 21:46 GMT
#4271
On March 12 2013 06:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2013 06:41 randombum wrote:
I sort of want to believe WoS about Dr.H because not being target of scum is one thing, and you do that by not being super correct nailing scum left and right, but you want to contribute so town doesn't lynch you. Especially as a vet, town would expect Dr.H to contribute, but Dr.H has done it in a way so he's not a big target for scum, as proven by the fact that he's alive. In that sense I can understand seeing bartender out of Dr.H. His play would fit that role.

However, I can't get over the fact that a Dr.H bartender would have never ignited night 5.

I thought about this myself and the only thing I can think of regarding that is whoever it was (even if not DrH) it was done as a gambit to make me look worse. Whoever it is is apparently very confident in their own abilities to manipulate the rest of the game in their favour after I die. DrH seems like a likely candidate for that.


Thinking the game revolves around them is something scum does. You aren't changing my mind with this theory, only making me think my vote is in the right place.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 21:47 GMT
#4272
On March 12 2013 06:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
I can't convince you of who I think is scum because I don't know. I can't trust a single person in this game right now so I'm completely on my own and everyone is looking to me for all the fucking answers.


Well if you're town you'd better figure it out quick or we lose.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 22:07 GMT
#4275
You're accusing me of OMGUS?

You have now thrown suspicion in the direction of every other player alive today. I'm glad you're making this tough choise so easy for me.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 22:10 GMT
#4277
It does matter, and you're responding like scum would.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 22:11 GMT
#4279
If you thought we should lynch DoctorHelvetica at the beginning of the day you should have been able to convince me of it. But then, without even deciding that your theory on him was wrong you've switched gears to me simply to try and draw attention away from yourself.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 11 2013 22:21 GMT
#4284
You want me to refute the points?

For the "doesn't make enough cases" point, I'll refer you to part of DrH's post earlier today. Different people scum hunt in different ways. The way I find most effective is engaging in rapid discussion with players I suspect like you and I are doing now. You'll find plenty of that in my filter and if that's not good enough for you my play never will be.

You talk about me soft defending RO, but I have no idea what you're talking about. If you want me to respond to a specific instance of something you need to tell me which specific instance, but this looks like you're just grasping at straws.

What else is there to say?

Its clear this is something you haven't thought through. If you were town you'd have more formed theories on who is scum already.
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