EPTAre you certain that your JK did not go through? Can you check this with the hosts in any way? I want to know for certain what happened with your JK.
Answer this BEFORE THE DAYPOST in case you die.
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Are you certain that your JK did not go through? Can you check this with the hosts in any way? I want to know for certain what happened with your JK. Answer this BEFORE THE DAYPOST in case you die. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:32 MilkSuckler wrote: FML fail EBWOP @Aquanim I am not sold on JOAT. If a JOAT medic save occured, the hit recipient + medic would be notified of save. I can understand the medic saying nothing (as 2 scum left)... but.. the hit recipient saying nothing is weird. I think much scenarios are; Withheld shot or Hit Mutant. Considering scum position, withheld shot makes no sense; I expect a mutant to be in the mix Trouble is how little sense mutant makes too :/ Also, I have enquired and I was wrong before - scum must select a player to carry out the kill(s) and that player may be roleblocked to prevent the kill. Which is why I am very interested to hear exactly what happened to JJ's night action. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:55 MilkSuckler wrote: Have u tried to PM? I would love the answer to, but I suspect we won't receive it. Well it's none of my business what happened to someone else's action so they won't tell me. If JJ asks "Did my action go through" I don't see why they wouldn't answer that. | ||
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'kay then. I'm pretty sure this only leaves possibilies where someone is bad. Not much point in further speculation until the day, as far as I can see. | ||
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On March 07 2013 03:48 layabout wrote: Well in case i die you should lynch aquanim tomorrow, Why? In case you haven't noticed, me faking a roleblock on myself as scum, and then claiming it after scum KP disappeared would be pretty daft. | ||
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On March 07 2013 02:16 TestSubject893 wrote: Sorry I didn't get this post earlier, I got caught up doing some stuff. Without further ado, my thoughts on randombum's filter: ... Conclusion: Don't lynch. He hasn't been the towniest of towns, but nothing in his posts really screams scum to me. So find a better lynch, then. | ||
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On March 07 2013 06:18 layabout wrote: why the sudden urge to stay alive? Now that the game's not a slam-dunk I have some more motivation to play. D3 was not fun. Leaving now, see you later. Probably. | ||
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In particular I want to see what you think makes him scum as opposed to bored town. | ||
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The rest of Glurio's posts are covered with a blanket "overall lack of activity and concern for the lynch" which is again true but unfortunately describes about half of the players in this game. Glurio hasn't contributed much but this case isn't enough to convince me. In fact, this reads as a pretty half-hearted attempt by a player with IamP's experience. | ||
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On March 07 2013 13:28 MilkSuckler wrote: I am not sure what you expect out of a case? Your efforts on OO had ?3? points mildly expanded. That was, what, three hours into the game? Anyway that's not the point. My point is that I don't think these two particular points make Glurio scum necessarily. Townies sometimes choose to contribute in ways that are stereotypically scummy. I'm not complaining about the effort put in, I'm complaining that I don't think these are super-indicative of scum. Which is not to say that I'm wedded to the idea that Glurio is town, just that these points aren't convincing enough on their own. A case is made to bandwagon support for a lynch typically by identifying scummy behaviour. I think this case succeeded in that and I do not think the quotes were cherry picked either. It demonstrates examples you, yourself admit can be interpreted as scummy. Are you able to summarise the remainder of his filter differently? I thought "overall lack of activity and concern for the lynch" is a sound synopsis. Yes it adequately defines Glurio. Seeing as how it describes HALF OF THE PLAYERS adequately it's not scummy enough to convince me that Glurio is scum. tl;dr This case does not convince me. I would welcome a convincing case. On March 07 2013 13:27 The Macho Man wrote: maybe you should i dont know look at my past cases... that i have made in other games....... I may do that. i dont know how anyone can read glurios filter and possibly think he is town. He is totally disconnected and hides behind dead player that is fucking scummy. Now the bolded is an interesting point and one I will explore further. Unfortunately I think a number of townies are probably disconnected from the game following Blazinghand's one-man "wagon of justice" driving for the last two days but still. | ||
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On March 07 2013 13:45 The Macho Man wrote: show me the other players that make a huge useless summary post and hide behind dead people. I said half of the players have a lack of activity and concern for the lynch. Which would be... you, Grush, Glurio, TestSubject, jcarlsoniv, randombum, ObviousOne, Layabout, WaveofShadow, Vivax and JungleJorge. And me too, at least yesterday. Discounting Mocsta because his filter is literally a seventh of the thread and DoctorHelvetica because he ran for office day 1 and started pushing geript. Town doesn't have this in the bag, guys. | ||
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On March 07 2013 13:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh look randombum, you're starting to think like a townie! A nice change of pace. @Aquanim: What are your opinions of randombum's case on me? I'd prefer to hear what you have to say about it first. | ||
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No, that's not how it works. I want to know what you think of his CASE. That's all the information you should need to have an opinion about it. On the other hand, what you say could very well contribute to what I have to say. It contains some interesting points but I'm not voting you just yet. Can't say it's changed my opinion of randombum a whole lot. Your turn. Tell us why you're not scum. | ||
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On March 07 2013 14:41 jcarlsoniv wrote: Aqua, you've been disgustingly non-committal the entire game. Mate, you're not an unlikely lynch today. I had no intention of committing to anything until I saw your response. Telling you where I thought the holes were in randombum's case, allowing you to exploit them to defend yourself without having to see them yourself, would have been a waste of everybody's time. | ||
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On March 07 2013 15:04 MilkSuckler wrote: All To re-emphasise the obvious. This is the first time all game we haven't had a clear front runner for lynch, and with ~18hrs left I am getting concerned about consolidation (mainly because most of the action will occur whilst I am asleep & there are signs of strong disagreement). I suggest for this cycle we stick with the 3 candidates seriously proposed: (1) Glurio (2) jcarlsoniv (3) Aquanim Well if someone brings a convincing case against someone not on that list I have no intention of not following it based on some silly policy. | ||
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General Trends + Show Spoiler + I'm definitely a slow reader so hopefully I can get some more of my thoughts in once this thread stops outpacing me, lol. I really don't understand how so people are getting to the conclusion that because we don't have enough control over the vote to try and make the person we lynch pardoner we should make a good player pardoner. Am I missing something? You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"? On February 27 2013 10:30 TestSubject893 wrote: @layabout: If you don't want me to respond to something, why even post it? On top of that, if you think my response is invalid, why don't you want more explanation? Your last few posts directed at me have really rubbed me the wrong way. I'd like some explanation. Did you misread what I wrote or what? The way I see those posts you're picking a fight with someone just for the sake of it. And the most obvious explanation for that would be that you want to look like you're contributing to town, without doing much. These quotes don't cover it on their own, but my impression of TestSubject's play as a whole is that TestSubject is minimizing himself and trying not to draw attention to himself. By comparison his play in NMM37 was much more assertive. @Mocsta, Glurio and WoS, you played with him in 37, do you agree with this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=52297 There's a general trend in the totality of TestSubject's filter this game towards self-doubt and timidity. I mean like every second post. IMO this is completely different to his meta in 37 and furthermore it is scummy; a scum player, particularly a newbie, would be expected to 'hide in the corner' and be passive. I also don't get the impression that he's trying to learn anything from the thread. None of the few questions he ask have particular direction or make me think they're serving a purpose. Day One + Show Spoiler + TestSubject spent a LOT of time day one talking about a) Pardoner policy and b) setting up the election at the end of the day, both of which are nice and safe topics for scum. He also threw a bunch of noncommittal doubt on DoctorH: On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote: I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got. Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list. I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town. Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid. And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted. Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second. I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have. With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself. ##Vote: VisceraEyes I know, I know, there's a distinction between "confirmed town" and "likely town" but still this post is just pointless. Night One + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2013 14:34 TestSubject893 wrote: Ok, so I rewrote this post like 5 times and changed my mind back and forth, and at the end of it all I ended up not coming up with as great of thoughts as I had originally thought I had when it was all coming togther. I'll start with the basics I suppose. I agree with DrH on Toad. He's the top of the list for me. From there I feel like one of either Aqua or OO is scum. I was gonna write up some reasons on why its OO, but when I was doing that I kind of talked myself into thinking that its Aqua. After that grush is looking suspicious to me, but he's in that category of players where everyone talks about their crazy meta and how it needs to be taken into account and I'm not currently taking it into account, so take that for what its worth. The bulk of my thoughts were gonna be about how when I read Chez asking the questions about the 3rd parties and claiming he didn't know how to add, I thought for sure he was a 3rd party just putting on a show. Because immediately after that WF jumped on him as scum I thought that he has the same read as me and was mafia trying to get the 3rd party lynched. This all still added up even after Chez shot if he is town because mafia wouldn't know for sure he wasn't 3rd party in the time in between. When I was writing it all up I changed my mind on it. WF just isn't scummy looking enough to me outside of that, so I ended up scrapping it. It is something that really jumped out at me though, so if WF becomes the center of attention later, its something we could relook at. This post. Originally, I (and I believe many other people) got a town read on TestSubject from this post. In hindsight, I can't see why saying he doesn't have any decent reads makes him town. Maybe it's slightly better than not posting anything at all, but "oh shit sorry guys I couldn't come up with anything" isn't really good enough to make him town just based on this. His statement that "one of Aqua or OO is scum" doesn't have any firm reasoning behind it, which he admits later. Day Two + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2013 07:08 TestSubject893 wrote: Chez's behavior after his shot is too just too scummy to not lynch him. I'm putting my vote on him. ##vote: Chez Now there's a vote with some conviction.[/sarcasm] And even after that he tries to swing the lynch onto Geript. On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote: I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. Everything Else Until Now No real further contributions, but the overall trend in his posting continues. I don't feel like going into depth here because everything between the Chezinu lynch and the start of today hurts my brain and basically nobody contributed much anyway. Association with Restraining Order + Show Spoiler + On March 07 2013 16:56 MilkSuckler wrote: TestSubject Want to have a go explaining this one.... -------- On March 04 2013 05:12 JungleJorge wrote: Don't lynch geript tomorrow, lynch RO. On March 04 2013 05:17 JungleJorge wrote: If I live through the night I'll bother explaining. Otherwise I'll flip town and you take my word for it. On March 04 2013 05:37 TestSubject893 wrote: JJ, it is possible that they in fact both are mafia. Is there a reason you think we get more out lynching RO compared to the more unanimously scummy geript? Conclusion He's been lurking pretty hard, hasn't expressed firm opinions on anything and his tone overall feels like he's trying to hide. Your wagons are cool and all guys but TestSubject is scum. | ||
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On March 07 2013 20:07 glurio wrote: I still like to highlight my earlier post: So i want to lynch jcarlsoniv today. ##Vote: jcarlsoniv That isn't an acceptable reason to not be voting for TestSubject. You think jcarlsoniv *might* be the bartender? Seriously? You're going to have to justify your vote a little better than that. | ||
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