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On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever.
You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling.
I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed.
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Apparently? This whole game might prove to geript something about his skills but only time will tell.
In any case, I'm done getting baited into discussion with/about him; it's futile and there's enough damning evidence on him to get him killed tomorrow after Chez anyway.
Now WHERE IS EVERYONE
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SO LET'S TALK ABOUT MOCSTA
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Lol, Milksuckler.
Hell let's talk about anybody.
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On March 03 2013 02:08 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote:On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.
On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling. I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm. LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique Nice DE-LURK i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game
This.
And for the record geript still hasn't responded to my earlier case on him where he says he 'still believed VE was talking about him.' That kind of stubbornness in the face of overwhelming proof is just ridiculous.
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And DrH I brought up the meta points regarding geript before and he defended himself using RL without explaining himself further.
On March 01 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 04:54 geript wrote:On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here. It's still in the works. I will unveil it when I feel like it's strong enough to bring. As the last game pointed out, association cases aren't strong enough to merit things on their own especially without a flip on either of you. And no, I haven't yet revealed why I was making an association case on you two so you can feel free to believe whatever you like. On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end. But how does that make me scum? On the Meta case: If you knew what my IRL was right now you'd understand. Here's a hit. My brother's in the DR; his pregnant wife and 2 daughters (4,2) are at my place currently; I'm in Nursing School full time while still working 40hrs a week. I'm doing all of that and playing this game. So my day involves 3-4 hours of sleep; 2-3 hours of babysitting, 4-8 hours of class and 4-8 hours of work. It makes you scum because you've been calling frantically for a vig shot waste and a mayor kill for ages with very little to go on. I admitted that part of your case has merit but I explained my thoughts on that. The rest is just useless. As far as the meta explanation, what is DR? And yeah, I get that RL is an issue; the only times I can contribute are during downtime at school or when my 2-month old kid is asleep (read: rarely), but I have been contributing nonetheless. Why would you sign up then if you have no time to make meaningful contributions? (I'm also unsure if you're trying to excuse your play this game or last game; I'm assuming you mean this game, but you contributed more often this game in a shorter amount of time {D1}, the posts are just crappier).
Why does no one pay attention to my cases.
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On March 03 2013 03:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 03 2013 02:08 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote:On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:No bites? Lets try again On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript
I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses.@ALLThoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.
On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever. You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling. I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm. LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique Nice DE-LURK i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game This. And for the record geript still hasn't responded to my earlier case on him where he says he 'still believed VE was talking about him.' That kind of stubbornness in the face of overwhelming proof is just ridiculous. Looking at last game, townie geript would be curious about understanding your reasoning and probably fall back when coming into new information. Any townie would. Geript isn't doing that. When he actually pointed out the one thing about me that would be a reasonable argument (it's untrue, but if he really thinks I'm a liar stealing pardoner he should have been pushing me yesterday) he then comes out and says I've been saying a lot of stuff that makes him think I'm town but can't say what it is. Now he's completely unwilling to listen to anything I have to say. This all happened after a PROVEN NONEXISTENT SCUMSLIP that he refuses to acknowledge right now. There is no way Geript is town.
I still kind of want to move the discussion on, but now it seems there might be a chance geript gets lynched today rather than Chez? I'd love to see both of them die anyway but to me it still seems as though Chez is more important, unless you count the fact that we've been talking about them all damn day, and Geript somehow manages to steer the discussion towards himself constantly to prevent useful discussion of anything else. He's not getting any scummier folks; time to make a decision one way or the other so we know where we stand.
Mocsta, geript does bring up a point that he referred to your play being different D1. I agree with him actually, it certainly does look as you were disguising your play (obviously, I suppose, you're smurfing) but you dropped it near the end of day one before your smurf-slip. The thing ISSSSSS......(and I don't really like the idea of meta cases either, especially on someone more experienced) your play this game now seems much closer to yours last game where you were scum.
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On March 03 2013 03:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Why does no one pay attention to my cases. Because some people are more focused on jerking each other off and picking on newbies than anything else. I can't wait until I get to be a vig, I'm only going to shoot out of spite.
Geript, this is a personal plea to you, regardless of alignment.
If you so believe that this is how people are treating you, PROVE THEM OTHERWISE. You're not doing very much to lift suspicion on yourself (and don't say you can't, because it's definitely possible, you've just given up) and it has nothing to do with the fact that you're new. I'm new as well and every time people bring up points regarding me I do my best to explain and/or defend them as well as coming up with more reads.
Now I have nothing against you personally, but I think your play is extremely scummy. I have explained why. Unless you are some third-party role or there is some crazy plan that explains all this, martyring yourself as it currently stands isn't going to mean all that much. Play the game to get better, don't give up.
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On March 03 2013 04:00 layabout wrote:Btw if a thread has not been posted in for (i think it's 4 hours) then the folder by it turns from red to yellow. It's absurd that it would happen in this game. Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 23:41 layabout wrote:
why the hell is a 142 day2 thread in the yellow?
Hence the complaining last night that the atmosphere was abysmal. I think it was like 3-4 people for 8 hours+
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On March 03 2013 04:01 geript wrote:
Nope, wrong. If you think I'm scum, I've already pointed out that you should kill me today then.
Alright, your attitude has been made very clear.
I'm not going to get baited however and
1) my vote is staying on Chez for today, and
2) I think discussion needs to be moved off of geript one way or the other. People need to decide so we can move on, please.
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On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote:
Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez RandomBumOn March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote:
Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though. ?Chezinu?What happened to Jcarlsoniv? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=120#2388 I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on.
His play recently looks like real standard scum.
Hard defends Chez, possible scumbuddy, randomly asks questions to a whole bunch of people ABOUT a whole bunch of people, a LOT of game-theory posts without adding anything particularly useful, no cases of his own (except for one on JJ which he promptly drops), no providing his own leads.
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On March 03 2013 05:54 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote:
I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.
Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum. The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred.
I think any argument towards Geript at this point is completely useless at this point considering he's not actively trying to defend himself; rather he picks and chooses what he's going to ignore and what he's going to respond to and whether he feels on acting martyr-y at the moment.
According to ME, (since we didn't have a vote count too recently), Vote count is 13 for Chez and 6 for Geript right now, so that does not make him likely To get lynched in ~2.5 hours(?) At least I hope not; as I've stated before I really just don't feel like giving him what he appears to want. If he really wants to be lynched that badly he can wait a day. Chez is more important in my eyes; I don't care what Geript flips as much as I do Chez.
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One hour to go.
LET THE VOTE SWITCHING SHENANIGANS BEGIN!
(But seriously, y'all better not.)
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On March 03 2013 07:59 layabout wrote:
I don't want to play in this game anymore
So vote for yourself.
It's the cool thing to do.
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Did your conversation with your mason partner have anything to do with why you shot Milkman?
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See then here's the issue...you probably need to die either so way so we know you're telling the truth? If so it means we may have mafia mason or JOAT on our hands....ugh.
I dunno I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not switching.
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On March 03 2013 08:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
See then here's the issue...you probably need to die either so way so we know you're telling the truth? If so it means we may have mafia mason or JOAT on our hands....ugh.
I dunno I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm not switching.
And because I've given fair warning on not switching, I refuse to have a no-lynch be on my head.
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YEEEEEEEEE
So happy the voteswitch didn't happen. Now let's see...
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On March 03 2013 09:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 09:07 geript wrote:
Well I think that I don't need to check this thread anymore. Why not? Props to Chez for that IRC stuff it would probably have gotten to vote switch if I saw it earlier. GG.
Yeah I do gotta give him props for that. It was a really good last-minute attempt, though I imagine most people who were going to change to Geript had their minds made up already. I wish I had picked up on the crumbing though; still something I'm terrible at.
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On March 03 2013 09:29 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 09:23 geript wrote:
I appreciate it BH, but I don't think there's a point. don't be a Negative Nancy. Look, let's say hypothetically you are in fact Town, AND nothing you do or say will prevent you from getting lynched. This is the worst case scenario, and from your constant incessant whiny bitching, it is what you appear to believe. You're a reasonably bright guy: you have 72 hours to hunt scum, and then you will be lynched, and after you flip, you're a confirmed townie. What this means is, If you wrote like 3 great cases on the 3 remaining scum between now and getting flipped, we can say "oh, geript is a confirmed townie, in fact one of the few who wrote cases" since you will literally be mod-confirmed. We'll read the cases and they will be valued to the town. And that's in the worst case scenario, where we 100% lynch you. 72 hours, and you can be more helpful to this town than anyone, including me-- even if you get lynched. If I were you and I were a townie, I would use my time as best I could to win the game. You win as a townie, even if you're dead at the end, when the town wins. If I were you and I were scum, though, I'd keep whining and find excuses to bitch, moan, and not contribute between now and getting lynched. Your call.
I'm pretty sure we've tried explaining this kind of stuff to him but he seems pretty set. When he flips, we'll find out why.
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