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JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
February 27 2013 00:49 GMT
#1181
EBWOP: that should read "need to write a third.."
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
February 27 2013 00:49 GMT
#1182
by bad i don't mean your'e dumb, i mean you're not like helping the town. come on man. wtf
Politics is the Mind-Killer
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 27 2013 00:50 GMT
#1183
On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote:
I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got.


Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list.


I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town.

Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.

Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so?

Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid.

And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted.

Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second.

is a little concerning to me.

I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have.


With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself.

##Vote: VisceraEyes

Why are you trying to make people doubt the alignment of somebody that you think is town?

And isn't the same thing happening for VE that you say is happening for Dr.h? People are treating VE like confirmed town too and him being elected might cause reads to be strengthened too?
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JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
February 27 2013 00:51 GMT
#1184
On February 27 2013 09:49 Wade Fell wrote:
JJ you're just so bad


just share your thoughts. they're terrible

but just share all of them

god

As opposed to you who are good? Tell me how is the offensive name calling helping? I don't believe there was enough time for you to read carefully my post before responding to it. Spend less time typing and more time reading, it will go a long way.
Restraining Order
Profile Joined February 2013
Qatar276 Posts
February 27 2013 00:52 GMT
#1185
On February 27 2013 09:48 JungleJorge wrote:
DocH and Wade Fell, you both seem to believe scum Prome wouldn't behave in the way I described, yet you believe Prome is scum. What gives?
If you believe it is a null tell and I have reached the correct conclusion, by your own standards, what exactly is the problem here? Wouldn't you be better off taking in the information in regards to the reactions of many players, including the one set to be lynched, and ultimately have a better picture of the situation prior to the lynch so you could make a more informed decision and even after if we end up lynching him? If you believe it produced no meaningful content you can safely ignore it. It's funny how you accuse me of being anti-town when I'm trying to produce information by my own means, yet you both share my conclusion.
Also how exactly my withholding information for some amount of time to observe the reactions to my post damages the town in any regard? I've said I'd share the concerns I had with prome's lynch and I did. As it stands right now I believe the best lynch is prome and I'd be foolish to try to persuade town that The Macho Man is a better lynch, if even I don't share that point of view. Yes I do have problems with TMM, but I'll discuss those when the time is appropriate. It's a common mistake by many players to say every single thought that comes to their minds, instead of keeping the focus on what needs to be done.
Most of you so far seem to believe I'm some sort of idiot who ought to be dismissed. It's actually a barrier that I'm trying to overcome by making long quality over explanatory posts. I assure you I'm pretty good at this game, you would be surprised to know who you are dealing with. I assure you that if I had my name attached to my posts I would need to right a third as much and would have three times the influence.

^mafia
Don't let me stop you.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 27 2013 00:53 GMT
#1186
randombum

On February 26 2013 09:40 randombum wrote:
Hello. Everybody should vote me for mayor, I'm 100% correct on my first impression scum-reads for the last 2 years. That's an amazing track record.

Sounds like these scum-reads could be useful right now. Total scum-reads given to this point: Zero.



jcarlsoniv
Has your read on VayeshMoru changed now that he has been posting more? I think VayeshMoru has been making quite a bit of sense and if the man behind the mask is who I think it is, we should definitely keep him around if he's town (which I'm leaning right now).

On February 27 2013 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
He is intentionally making a point to put his mark on a lot of different people. He seems somewhat supportive of the Prom lynch, but again, it's hard to tell, he's not committing to anything. He's largely contributing very little, but casting his little doubts upon enough people that eventually, one has to stick.

I would not be sad to see VayeshMoru die.




Chezinu
You have anything to say today? Who are you voting? Who is your top scum-read? Would be nice to have something to go on from you other than your impressionist art video.



HassyBaby
Any scum reads outside of the current candidates? You're a pair of fresh eyes here coming in this late so I'm hoping you can spark some new line of conversation.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 00:53 GMT
#1187
On February 27 2013 09:48 MilkSuckler wrote:
EBWOP fail
TestSubject893
Can i please have your Wade Fell read (just town, null, scum) will suffice.


Null. Or maybe on the town side of null.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
February 27 2013 00:55 GMT
#1188
On February 27 2013 09:51 JungleJorge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 09:49 Wade Fell wrote:
JJ you're just so bad


just share your thoughts. they're terrible

but just share all of them

god

As opposed to you who are good? Tell me how is the offensive name calling helping? I don't believe there was enough time for you to read carefully my post before responding to it. Spend less time typing and more time reading, it will go a long way.


zZz
Politics is the Mind-Killer
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 00:57 GMT
#1189
On February 27 2013 09:50 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote:
I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got.


Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list.


I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town.

Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.

Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so?

Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid.

And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted.

Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second.

is a little concerning to me.

I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have.


With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself.

##Vote: VisceraEyes

Why are you trying to make people doubt the alignment of somebody that you think is town?

And isn't the same thing happening for VE that you say is happening for Dr.h? People are treating VE like confirmed town too and him being elected might cause reads to be strengthened too?


My point is that I think electing DrH could be detrimental to the town if we don't take a careful look at our opinion of him and why it is the way it is. I'm only mentioning his alignment as it concerns him being elected.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 27 2013 00:57 GMT
#1190
ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever?
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 00:58 GMT
#1191
On February 27 2013 09:53 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 09:48 MilkSuckler wrote:
EBWOP fail
TestSubject893
Can i please have your Wade Fell read (just town, null, scum) will suffice.


Null. Or maybe on the town side of null.

Noted.. the reason i ask is.. if you consider Dr.H "iffy" due to being active etc etc, I would have thought the same heuristics apply to Wade. So I am satisfied with that response (consistency wise)

Please consider this though (as it seems our thoughts were aligned at one point):
On February 26 2013 23:52 MilkSuckler wrote:
Im a sceptic of those antics being town, because as mafia; I have no qualms trying to push that agenda D1. To me they are easy to take stances, as long as you are willing to commit to being active. An aggressive player like BH to me suits that modus operandi.

Having said that, I think I figured out the missing piece of the puzzle.
With no bodyguards, mayor is not a role that I think scum is gunning for THAT majorly. Its nice to secure a mislynch D1; but ultimately, the risk of thread presence probably does not outweight the reward.

So if BH is pushing that hard for such a low gain, I can see that as town inspired play as opposed to scum.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=45#883
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 00:58 GMT
#1192
EBWOP: I don't think its as bad for VE as it is for DrH, but maybe I'm wrong, I've been just barely able to keep up with the thread today so its possible I'm off the mark.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 27 2013 01:01 GMT
#1193
I'm back catching up from where I left off.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 27 2013 01:01 GMT
#1194
On February 27 2013 09:57 layabout wrote:
ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever?

Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me.

You know who is scum? Layabout is scum.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 27 2013 01:01 GMT
#1195
On February 27 2013 09:57 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 09:50 layabout wrote:
On February 27 2013 09:35 TestSubject893 wrote:
I've been working all day and just now got caught up on the thread. Here's what I've got.


Promethelax is still my top scum read and I will be voting for a mayor that wants to kill him. Jungle Jorge and ObviousOne, in that order, are next on my scum list.


I think we're placing a little too much trust in DoctorHelvetica. It seems like some people are treating him as nearly confirmed town, and frankly he's not even close to that in my book. Moreover, I'm afraid that should DrH get either of the elected roles, his perception as confirmed town will only be furthered, without him doing anything more pro-town.

Most of his cred has come from telling people they aren't scumhunting enough and how great scumhunting is, and while these things are pro-town, its not something that's hard to fake. On top of that, the only contribution he's made on the scumhunting front is to really amplify the pressure on Prome. While again, this is great, the fact that he seems to be distancing himself from it slightly in this post + Show Spoiler +
On February 27 2013 04:37 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 04:11 glurio wrote:
I think vayesh does make sense in what he posts. Yeah hes pretty much just prodding around but thats kinda what you have to do in the beginning. And he has found good points imo.

Jcarlsoniv do you believe prom and vivax are town? If yes, what makes you believe so?

Weird that you chose to respond to that specifically. Maybe not, maybe I'm being paranoid.

And yes, I'm still pushing Prome for the day. He basically martyred so he should die. I'm working from 1-10 PST tonight so unfortunately I'm not gonna be able to be here to push him. Since all discussion is built on this foundation of lynching Prome, it's the best outcome for us right now. At least for Day 1. I would never say to lynch for information, I absolutely believe he is scum but there is no sense in acting on hunches and getting distracted.

Don't fuck it up guys keep focused on the goal of finding scum. Everything else comes second.

is a little concerning to me.

I think it's likely that DrH is town, but lets make him prove that to us before we show him so much trust. Hopefully, we've gotten it right with Prome, in which case DrH will be deserving of the town cred he seems to currently have.


With the this in mind, I'm going to vote for someone who is going lynch Prome, but whose election I think will not stunt discussion and critique of the mayor himself.

##Vote: VisceraEyes

Why are you trying to make people doubt the alignment of somebody that you think is town?

And isn't the same thing happening for VE that you say is happening for Dr.h? People are treating VE like confirmed town too and him being elected might cause reads to be strengthened too?


My point is that I think electing DrH could be detrimental to the town if we don't take a careful look at our opinion of him and why it is the way it is. I'm only mentioning his alignment as it concerns him being elected.

But you think he is town so why spread doubt about him?

I get what your point is but you have no reason to make it since all you might do is dissuade others from voting in someone that you think is town.

+it would be far more relevant to talk about VE since he is the one that currently stand to be mayor and the one you voted for. Plus why don't you want people to look over their reads on him since he is being treated more like a confirmed townie thatn dr.h is.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 27 2013 01:03 GMT
#1196
On February 27 2013 10:01 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 09:57 layabout wrote:
ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever?

Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me.

You know who is scum? Layabout is scum.

Please respond to my post as if your not a child in a strop.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:04 GMT
#1197
On February 27 2013 10:01 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 09:57 layabout wrote:
ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever?

Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me.

You know who is scum? Layabout is scum.

Whilst I appreciate the effort to contact lurkers.

Lurkers gonna lurk.. and what happens if no reciprocation ==> Your post becomes meaningless.

Can we please see some more efforts regarding the posts we DO have to work with.

Can you give me your updated thoughts on Geript pl0x
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
February 27 2013 01:04 GMT
#1198
JJ is trying to make an excuse to dissapear again. By saying this, I point out the obvious absurdity of his unwillingness to share his reasoning with town. Look how absurd he is! Look!
Politics is the Mind-Killer
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 27 2013 01:05 GMT
#1199
On February 27 2013 10:03 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:01 ObviousOne wrote:
On February 27 2013 09:57 layabout wrote:
ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever?

Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me.

You know who is scum? Layabout is scum.

Please respond to my post as if your not a child in a strop.

Make me, scummy scum scum. If you're not red you're doing a terrific job pretending you are. Eat it.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 27 2013 01:05 GMT
#1200
On February 27 2013 10:04 MilkSuckler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:01 ObviousOne wrote:
On February 27 2013 09:57 layabout wrote:
ObviousOne are these scumreads or you just pressuring inactives for no helpful reason whatsoever?

Who elected you to be the only one allowed to ask questions? I'm trying to get some answers here and you're shitting all over me.

You know who is scum? Layabout is scum.

Whilst I appreciate the effort to contact lurkers.

Lurkers gonna lurk.. and what happens if no reciprocation ==> Your post becomes meaningless.

Can we please see some more efforts regarding the posts we DO have to work with.

Can you give me your updated thoughts on Geript pl0x

I'm giving them something to come back and respond to.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
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