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MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:31 GMT
#1221
On February 27 2013 10:30 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:23 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:20 grush57 wrote:
How can you disbelieve the STARSENSES

How can you keep proving you are actively lurking, yet still contribute nothing.

Dude, lets make it easy
Whats ya read on me.

hmm, I think you are a nice milk sucking bovine, contributing to the farmer's family.
(town)
However, I shouldn't be giving away town reads.

KK.. want to give a scum read pl0x (other than prome)
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 27 2013 01:33 GMT
#1222
He doesn't seem to have any. I wonder why.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
February 27 2013 01:35 GMT
#1223
Everyone who's lurking should just not post/vote and get modkilled so we don't have to sort out who's who later
Politics is the Mind-Killer
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
February 27 2013 01:35 GMT
#1224
lol obviousone, hahaha
Anyways, I said I don't like milkman.
Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too.
Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too.
However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know.
I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 27 2013 01:36 GMT
#1225
Obvious I'm surprised you gave up on Chezing it so easily. You seemed to have such enthusiasm about the notion...and I don't doubt Chez would have been flattered to see a newer player "walking the path of truth, slaying the beast, etc."
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 27 2013 01:36 GMT
#1226
On February 27 2013 10:35 Wade Fell wrote:
Everyone who's lurking should just not post/vote and get modkilled so we don't have to sort out who's who later

+10 Obvious points to BH.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 27 2013 01:36 GMT
#1227
K, gonna try to answer the questions/comments addressed to/about me. If I missed something, let me know. (and I just completely fucked up formatting and lost my whole post, so now I'm sad)
On February 27 2013 07:24 layabout wrote:
Wave do you not think it's suspicious that jcarl agrees that prom and vivax are scum when asked but otherwise ignores them or that his scum read was somebody that has adopted a troll-ish posting style?

At the time of posting, I was not going to beat the dead horse (as I said previously) that was the case already made. There was nothing I could say that would have been any value that hadn't already been posted by others. So I made a stab at doing my own hunting for the future.
Regarding Vivax, as I said earlier, this feels incredibly reminicent of the headbutting we did last game. You'll notice that in my absence, he has turned to pressuring me quite a bit. This is fine, but it's misguided, and very familiar.
As for Vayesh, after seeing him post more, I am willing to retract my previous gut read. Despite the cryptic nature of my posting, it does seem that he's trying to contribute and be useful. (and I like reading his posts, lol)
On February 27 2013 07:52 Vivax wrote:
Carlson I'd like to know your updated opinion on vayesh and why you sounded so sure about Prom not being able to post when you see this.

For Vayesh, please see above. For Prom - I merely reiterated what he had already said earlier:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote:
Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now.

I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy.
Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting)
Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then")
conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch

JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx)
I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch.
This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 10:11 JungleJorge wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 26 2013 09:35 geript wrote:
As of yet, no. The question is why do you feel my newbie status is important?

Actually its the opposite.
You become non-existent.

'pretty much how I feel right now.
See you D2 everybody!

Promethelax, how do you feel about this post?

conclusion: probably scum, would lynch.

I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can.
Good luck town!

That was his most recent post. He also said in pregame that he would have very limited availability at this time. There are a number of people who will kill him should they be elected mayor (VE and DrH off the top of my head) If he does indeed flip red, it's the people actively avoiding voting for these candidates that should be scrutinized.

On February 27 2013 04:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ohai Soniv, good to see you. I'd like to hear your thoughts on some of the other less-oft talked about people (since that's what you appear to be focusing on), namely geript, who still, STILL has not responded to my questions towards him, rather is tunneling his retarded ideas about me following a script or being 'excited' or some shit.

Also glurio, glad to see you've popped up as well, want to hear more from you as well, possibly on someone besides Prom/Vivax.


I agree the geript was making a terrible case on you. I also don't like:

On February 27 2013 07:59 geript wrote:
I think if I get a scum flip on WoS I can make a strong association case on Vivax.


Geript, it doesn't look like you're going to get a WoS lynch today, so unless you can actually make a real case for him, then make your case on Vivax. None of this association shit when nothing has happened yet.
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ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 27 2013 01:37 GMT
#1228
On February 27 2013 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Obvious I'm surprised you gave up on Chezing it so easily. You seemed to have such enthusiasm about the notion...and I don't doubt Chez would have been flattered to see a newer player "walking the path of truth, slaying the beast, etc."

It's hard to express rage poetically without droning on with more clutter than some of these cats can handle. I'm keeping it simple. I'll save it for a mini where I don't have to type as much.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:37 GMT
#1229
On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote:
lol obviousone, hahaha
Anyways, I said I don't like milkman.
Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too.
Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too.
However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know.
I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses.

Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
February 27 2013 01:38 GMT
#1230
On February 27 2013 10:37 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Obvious I'm surprised you gave up on Chezing it so easily. You seemed to have such enthusiasm about the notion...and I don't doubt Chez would have been flattered to see a newer player "walking the path of truth, slaying the beast, etc."

It's hard to express rage poetically without droning on with more clutter than some of these cats can handle. I'm keeping it simple. I'll save it for a mini where I don't have to type as much.

But...you're not....typing that much....
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 27 2013 01:38 GMT
#1231
On February 27 2013 10:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote:
lol obviousone, hahaha
Anyways, I said I don't like milkman.
Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too.
Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too.
However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know.
I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses.

Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x

When layabout doesn't jump all over Grush for that post I'm fucking CEMENTED in my read they are on the same team. This is BULLSHIT.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 27 2013 01:39 GMT
#1232
On February 26 2013 09:40 randombum wrote:
Hello. Everybody should vote me for mayor, I'm 100% correct on my first impression scum-reads for the last 2 years. That's an amazing track record.


Still waiting to hear from you. There isn't a single scum read in your filter, and all you've really posted was an incredibly convoluted scheme to get scum elected to try and get information.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 27 2013 01:41 GMT
#1233
On February 27 2013 10:30 TestSubject893 wrote:
@layabout: If you don't want me to respond to something, why even post it? On top of that, if you think my response is invalid, why don't you want more explanation? Your last few posts directed at me have really rubbed me the wrong way. I'd like some explanation. Did you misread what I wrote or what? The way I see those posts you're picking a fight with someone just for the sake of it. And the most obvious explanation for that would be that you want to look like you're contributing to town, without doing much.

It's quite simple, you said you thought he was town. at the same time you tried to cast suspicion on him. if you are town then doing this is counter productive. it's also not very relevant since ve is the one who is going to win. So i wanted to know why you posted that since it tells me about your mindset.

I didn't want you to respond because i have nothing more to say on the issue and dragging it out serves no purpose.I posted because you didn't answer my question i did the same when others didn't answer my questions. Your response was also gave me information about you but i didn't feel like i needed any more with regards to that post.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
February 27 2013 01:45 GMT
#1234
So, he calls WoS scum and agrees with prome.
Hmm, I guess he could be scum, but as of now could also be noobie.a
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
February 27 2013 01:46 GMT
#1235
On February 27 2013 10:41 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:30 TestSubject893 wrote:
@layabout: If you don't want me to respond to something, why even post it? On top of that, if you think my response is invalid, why don't you want more explanation? Your last few posts directed at me have really rubbed me the wrong way. I'd like some explanation. Did you misread what I wrote or what? The way I see those posts you're picking a fight with someone just for the sake of it. And the most obvious explanation for that would be that you want to look like you're contributing to town, without doing much.

It's quite simple, you said you thought he was town. at the same time you tried to cast suspicion on him. if you are town then doing this is counter productive. it's also not very relevant since ve is the one who is going to win. So i wanted to know why you posted that since it tells me about your mindset.

I didn't want you to respond because i have nothing more to say on the issue and dragging it out serves no purpose.I posted because you didn't answer my question i did the same when others didn't answer my questions. Your response was also gave me information about you but i didn't feel like i needed any more with regards to that post.


You're still not interpreting what I said correctly, but that could be my fault for not communicating clearly enough.

Either way, you're right when you say continuing this conversation is not going to be helpful, so let's drop it here.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
February 27 2013 01:47 GMT
#1236
On February 27 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote:
lol obviousone, hahaha
Anyways, I said I don't like milkman.
Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too.
Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too.
However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know.
I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses.

Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x

When layabout doesn't jump all over Grush for that post I'm fucking CEMENTED in my read they are on the same team. This is BULLSHIT.

Maybe i have different expectations for you and grush?

also his post is better than yours since he doesn't pretend to be contributing and is likely right about scum hiding in the lurkers. Your post was just a pointless "look at me i am contributing" which is scummy.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 27 2013 01:51 GMT
#1237
On February 27 2013 10:47 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote:
lol obviousone, hahaha
Anyways, I said I don't like milkman.
Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too.
Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too.
However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know.
I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses.

Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x

When layabout doesn't jump all over Grush for that post I'm fucking CEMENTED in my read they are on the same team. This is BULLSHIT.

Maybe i have different expectations for you and grush?

also his post is better than yours since he doesn't pretend to be contributing and is likely right about scum hiding in the lurkers. Your post was just a pointless "look at me i am contributing" which is scummy.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
February 27 2013 01:53 GMT
#1238
On February 27 2013 10:45 grush57 wrote:
So, he calls WoS scum and agrees with prome.
Hmm, I guess he could be scum, but as of now could also be noobie.a

noobie town idk how i did noobie.a lol
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 27 2013 01:57 GMT
#1239
On February 27 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 10:47 layabout wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:38 ObviousOne wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:37 MilkSuckler wrote:
On February 27 2013 10:35 grush57 wrote:
lol obviousone, hahaha
Anyways, I said I don't like milkman.
Also Chezinu is even doing less than unusual so he can die too.
Too many lurkers really, I'm sure some of them are scum too.
However it is day 1 and with mayor lynch kinda hard to make reads ya know.
I'm even more useless on day1, and I usually pick up on the game as it progresses.

Can I have your opinion on Geript pl0x

When layabout doesn't jump all over Grush for that post I'm fucking CEMENTED in my read they are on the same team. This is BULLSHIT.

Maybe i have different expectations for you and grush?

also his post is better than yours since he doesn't pretend to be contributing and is likely right about scum hiding in the lurkers. Your post was just a pointless "look at me i am contributing" which is scummy.

Well, that's just like, your opinion, man.

Its my opinion too
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
February 27 2013 01:58 GMT
#1240
On February 27 2013 09:53 ObviousOne wrote:
randombum

Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 09:40 randombum wrote:
Hello. Everybody should vote me for mayor, I'm 100% correct on my first impression scum-reads for the last 2 years. That's an amazing track record.

Sounds like these scum-reads could be useful right now. Total scum-reads given to this point: Zero.

Reading a few of the filters right now my biggest scum suspect is you. The obviousone. Your play just screams a mafia player pretending to be interested. All of your posts can be read as aggressive questioning, pointless questioning, wagon jumping, or buddying. All those things let you seem interested, but require you to commit very little to a position.

Some things that stuck out:

Interaction with me

You try to start a band-wagon on me because of my stupid plan without actually discussing it.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 26 2013 13:58 ObviousOne wrote:
And people thought my hypothetical scum-geript-mayor-gambit idea was ludicrous. A lynch for randombum is a vote from me.

On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote:
For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him.


But when that gained no traction you ignore it and join the prom train which everybody is agreeing with.

Also, you are the few who read my mayor campaign and gave it a response. It's one of your pointless asking a question response, but the bigger thing is: If you read my post and bothered to take it somewhat seriously you could've have easily gone and found my games from the last two years which is only two games before this one. Which obviously meant it was a joke post.

Interaction with Vivax
At the start of the game you write
On February 26 2013 10:33 ObviousOne wrote:
Is Vivax running for mayor? I'd vote that.

and get to
On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote:
For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him.

So somehow Vivax goes from your mayoral vote to a lynch you would get behind without you ever discussing him at all. It's like you are just going with the flow and going against anybody who is under heat from the thread. Even more telling with Vivax is when he comes back into the thread and people start letting up on him you post your next scum list
On February 27 2013 10:14 ObviousOne wrote:
My short list

Prom - self explanatory, and why I'm voting VE or DocH for mayor
layabout - instigating arguments instead of just ignoring the shit that apparently doesn't matter anyway
Restraining Order - too restrained
JungleJorge - crazy fucking plan to trap Prom
Grush - Starsenses seems to be broken


Again your suspects have no weight behind them, but more importantly Vivax isn't there. Even when earlier you had
On February 27 2013 03:52 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 03:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
notice also the majority of viv's info dump is about null reads and town reads, very often mafia hide in the comfort of their information and although it is information it isn't really useful since the only possible useful thing that could happen is a scum being killed

Vivax is the only one giving me a null/town read, too. I mean that's out there based on how I started the game, and I even think I mentioned I would be okay with voting someone who would lynch him. It's really... weird.


There's nothing else about him before you short scum list. The last time you mention vivax you find him really weird, but he's less likely of a scum than the 4 almost non-entities in the thread?

The following post really bugs me too.
On February 27 2013 04:47 ObviousOne wrote:
Okay, caught up on a second read-through. Going to do a couple filters now for players I don't even remember being in the game. Thanks for the idea DocH.

First, its an "Oh I'm interested in the thread guys" post with no substance. Going though filters is a good idea? Why are you trying to buddy up Dr.H when reading filters should be standard.

Everything you say makes you sound interested, but there is no stance behind any of them except the highly popular prom lynch.
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