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that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow.
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BC looks somewhat bad balancewise I guess but there's no reason to shoot that. Shouldn't be too hard to figure him out later on.
Oh and yeah agree with Laya, MachoMan does look bad, probably even worse than Grush simply because it's IamP. IamP is literally the easiest guy to read on TL if he's town. No exaggeration. He's literally the easiest guy to read if he roles town. I haven't gotten him down as town so far. Have to check his filter again to make sure it's not laziness from my point of view though. Will comment on him in 16 hours or something like that.
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On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Oh, cool. Gj guys. Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow. I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself...
I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all.
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On February 28 2013 09:12 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow. Disagree entirely. And its been obvious you have been ramping up for this the entire D1 cycle. All you did was point out an inconsistency in Prome play. - and then disappear from the thread to play DOTA That doesnt make you town.The people that fleshed out the case with scum behavioral analysis were people like Dr.H and Wade Fell (myself I believe too). are certainly not purporting to being confirmed town... so it is curious you care so much about your image to enforce this belief among town immediately. ========= Toad.. give me 3 good well-reasoned points to why Grush is town. And association with prome does NOT count... prome could have stuck up for starsenses regardless of alignment.
I called for a dayvig on him saying I'm not going to lynch anyone besides prom 2 hours into the game because that's how certain I was about him.
On February 26 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote:prom could you respond to what I (and VE in response) said over here: Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote:
My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted. because again, the way you phrased that sounds awfully odd and I'm thinking of multiple explanations. None of them includes something you with a townie-mindset.
On February 26 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:21 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote:prom could you respond to what I (and VE in response) said over here: On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote:
My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted. because again, the way you phrased that sounds awfully odd and I'm thinking of multiple explanations. None of them includes something you with a townie-mindset. Because I wanted it to gain some real traction. I had an idea about actually getting close and withdrawing my nomination since if scum was up for lynch they'd be pushing me as mayor where if there was a townie up for lynch they'd be pushing against me. It's a plan that only works if I get support on it. That was the discussion I wanted to spark. why did you tell us about being just being a plattform to create talk with if you wanted it to get some real traction? That kind of counters your idea. I'd say you wanted to look like someone who wants to create discussion but wants to make sure he looks good. When it became too hot (and it didn't, the timing to go back on that was way to early if you wanted to achieve something, so you're overly defensive for whatever reason) for your idea you went ahead yelling GUYS GUYS, I BE TROLL LOL DON'T TAKE ME SERIOUSDo we have a dayvig? On February 26 2013 10:29 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:25 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 10:21 Promethelax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:17 Toadesstern wrote:prom could you respond to what I (and VE in response) said over here: On February 26 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 26 2013 10:04 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 09:57 Promethelax wrote:Okay, so RNG didn't create the discussion I wanted. Screw you guys. On February 26 2013 09:28 Wade Fell wrote:
My new platform is killing Layabout
Read his posts
hes scum Explain. For the moment my top scum read is WoS, he responded to gerpit's candidacy all wrong, obviously assuming gerpit is town but statistically... On February 26 2013 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2013 09:20 geript wrote:
It looks to me that the best person for mayor is someone who is willing to:
A. put in the time to read the thread
B. both make and evaluate other's cases
C. is unlikely to be an early target for NK
In this regard I would nominate myself as I am more likely to devote more time to reading (both filters and filter in the context of the thread as a whole) than anyone else. Additionally, I am relatively unknown which removes untoward bias for or against me due to previous games as well as making me a more impartial arbiter as it regards established players.
My lynch platform is:
Scum read > hard/impossible to read > null read > town read
## vote geript Except for the fact that you were killed N1 last game for the above reasons, by someone who is very likely smurfing in this game. He focuses on the likelihood of a night kill on gerpit, he is too interested in night actions and not in the candidacy or the actual ideas which gerpit proposes. I'm not a fan of this post or WoS's mentality. Vote me, screw random lynch. I'll lynch WoS. are you mad that it didn't work or that you didn't get more credit for it? Because it sure sounds like that. We had some discussion about the rnd you suggested, we had some discussion about what I suggested. I most definitely wouldn't phrase it the way your are This is something I noticed too. It sparked discussion - I'm left wondering what kind of discussion he thought RNG was supposed to generate if it didn't generate the kind he wanted. because again, the way you phrased that sounds awfully odd and I'm thinking of multiple explanations. None of them includes something you with a townie-mindset. Because I wanted it to gain some real traction. I had an idea about actually getting close and withdrawing my nomination since if scum was up for lynch they'd be pushing me as mayor where if there was a townie up for lynch they'd be pushing against me. It's a plan that only works if I get support on it. That was the discussion I wanted to spark. why did you tell us about being just being a plattform to create talk with if you wanted it to get some real traction? That kind of counters your idea. I'd say you wanted to look like someone who wants to create discussion but wants to make sure he looks good. When it became too hot (and it didn't, the timing to go back on that was way to early if you wanted to achieve something, so you're overly defensive for whatever reason) for your idea you went ahead yelling GUYS GUYS, I BE TROLL LOL DON'T TAKE ME SERIOUSDo we have a dayvig? On a different note: In case we don't have a dayvig I'll support anyone who runs of the platform of lynching Promethelax. I'd bet VE's left ball that prom is mafia right now. Anyways it's late, my english reads like a mentally handicapped writing because I'm really tired and make mistakes all the time (2:30 am over here) so I'll go to bed now.
On February 28 2013 09:12 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Oh, cool. Gj guys. On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow. I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself... I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all. The mafia in fruity did the exact thing of what you just said.
And neither VE nor Laya would do that imo.
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On February 28 2013 09:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Oh, cool. Gj guys. On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow. I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself... I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all. Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town. It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it.
Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what.
Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened.
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On February 28 2013 09:21 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:20 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 28 2013 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Oh, cool. Gj guys. On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow. I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself... I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all. Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town. It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it. Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what. Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened. Before that Layabout asked for a kill on WadeFell, so what gives?
Prom flipped mafia. I pointed out a scumslip that everyone besides Laya and VE ignored when I went to bed. That's what gives.
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On February 28 2013 09:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:20 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 28 2013 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Oh, cool. Gj guys. On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow. I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself... I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all. Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town. It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it. Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what. Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened. Ok, I acknowledge that logic. However, that doesn't make them 100% townie in my eyes, nor does it make you 100% townie - especially considering how hard you were trying to make sure EVERYONE knows it was your idea.
I know they're not 100% town, neither am I for you guys... I'm using that word assuming everyone knows that when I use it means "pretty much really likely town" and not actually mod confirmed...
Mostly because it's shorter saying that.
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On February 28 2013 09:23 Vivax wrote:
What's this going to be. Lynch credit wars?
Come on. I saw Toad bus his teammate D1 like, with the second or third vote and push for the lynch. We need to find other reasons for people being town or scum than purely voted for/defended a flipped guy. If anything we need to look for people being too sure about Prom's alignment prematurely.
That's actually a lie and exactly the reason I mention it. I was something like the 7th vote on Yamato after he went pretty much afk. It just looked way better postd1 because 5 people unvoted him and I ended up in position 3 in the votelist :p
That was actually pointed out by Sandro in the game as well.
There's is definetly a difference here.
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On February 28 2013 09:27 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:23 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:21 The Milkman wrote:On February 28 2013 09:20 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 28 2013 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Oh, cool. Gj guys. On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow. I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself... I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all. Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town. It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it. Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what. Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened. Before that Layabout asked for a kill on WadeFell, so what gives? Prom flipped mafia. I pointed out a scumslip that everyone besides Laya and VE ignored when I went to bed. That's what gives. Wasn't that a scumslip but just a contradiction in his actions?
no it was a scumslip. He did A, when asked about why said he wants B, when asked why he wants B said he wants A which means he outright lied about his reasoning and made it up, like pointed out already.
I actually asked people outside of the game if Prom is someone who lies a lot to cover up mistakes he did instead of just being honest when being town to make sure he's not town :p
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On February 28 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:
I checked fruity again, you were indeed something along 6th or 7th voting for yamato Toad. Your version also coincides with what I see in your filter.
Can we now finally go on to discuss tomorrow's lynches? I suggest Hassy for now for avoiding to give an opinion at all. JJ gives me doubts since his defence of Prom was pretty bold and I can't imagine mafia actually playing that badly, so I'll wait to see what he brings to the table in the future.
if anything Hassy is a potential vig candidate, not a lynch candidate. Though again I'm actually quite confident that at least one of Macho+Grush is mafia, probably both which doesn't leave that many mafias and there still has to be a vet within team mafia.
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On February 28 2013 09:43 Mocsta wrote:
Toad... The day vig request is pointless. Thy cant shoot day1
Having said that i find it unlikely u put him under that pressure day1 as scum. Not impossible though.
Same goes to Ve. His uncertainty end of lynch was terribad
toad. Im still waiting for three reasons for grush to be scum
Yeah sorry I didn't know dayvigs can't shoot d1. Someone pointed that out later on, though you can believe me I tried to get him shot 
About grush I only have one and it's a pretty good one; he's not town.
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On February 28 2013 09:46 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:
I checked fruity again, you were indeed something along 6th or 7th voting for yamato Toad. Your version also coincides with what I see in your filter.
Can we now finally go on to discuss tomorrow's lynches? I suggest Hassy for now for avoiding to give an opinion at all. JJ gives me doubts since his defence of Prom was pretty bold and I can't imagine mafia actually playing that badly, so I'll wait to see what he brings to the table in the future. if anything Hassy is a potential vig candidate, not a lynch candidate. Though again I'm actually quite confident that at least one of Macho+Grush is mafia, probably both which doesn't leave that many mafias and there still has to be a vet within team mafia. Well that vet point is a little moot given smurfs.
host knows about smurfs, doesn't he? Unless you're telling me we shouldn't lynch into vets because of vets because I totally agree with that.
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On February 28 2013 09:50 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:46 The Milkman wrote:On February 28 2013 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:
I checked fruity again, you were indeed something along 6th or 7th voting for yamato Toad. Your version also coincides with what I see in your filter.
Can we now finally go on to discuss tomorrow's lynches? I suggest Hassy for now for avoiding to give an opinion at all. JJ gives me doubts since his defence of Prom was pretty bold and I can't imagine mafia actually playing that badly, so I'll wait to see what he brings to the table in the future. if anything Hassy is a potential vig candidate, not a lynch candidate. Though again I'm actually quite confident that at least one of Macho+Grush is mafia, probably both which doesn't leave that many mafias and there still has to be a vet within team mafia. Well that vet point is a little moot given smurfs. host knows about smurfs, doesn't he? Unless you're telling me we shouldn't lynch into vets because of smurfs because I totally agree with that.
EBWOP changes in bold.
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On February 28 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:Pls expound why ur point 1 is indicative of scum
it's not at unless prom's in his first game of mafia which I'm pretty sure he's not. To be fair I can't tell you why he's mafia at all and I doubt anyone in here will be able to provide anything like that no matter of alignment because it's Grush but I am reeeeally certain he's not town. That only leaves mafia and maybe 3rd party to me, don't you agree?
Just trust me again and you'll be happy :3
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On February 28 2013 10:20 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:On February 28 2013 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
*shrug* Pls expound why ur point 1 is indicative of scum it's not at unless prom's in his first game of mafia which I'm pretty sure he's not. To be fair I can't tell you why he's mafia at all and I doubt anyone in here will be able to provide anything like that no matter of alignment because it's Grush but I am reeeeally certain he's not town. That only leaves mafia and maybe 3rd party to me, don't you agree? Just trust me again and you'll be happy :3 I didnt trust your read on prome before.. or anyone elses. I made my own decision on prome, and provided my own analysis. Lets assume Grush *IS* scum. Show nested quote +So what.. he is so hard to fuckn read, and does nothing.. hes the ideal candidate to eliminate as the fourth or fifth scum. Lets assume we dont know Grush *alignment* - which for me is the situation Show nested quote +Then the lynch is founded on nothing, other than uncertainty... thats not a solid lynch candidate for Day2 and puts to waste the efforts of lynching prome Day1. At least you admit outright you got nothing on him.. However, i am still surprised someone of your forum-mafia pedigree is treating this as valid scum hunting though?
I have nothing? I'm about as certain about Grush as I was about prom. If there's no way he's town that's a pretty damn good reason to lynch him.
And no, if we know his alignment to be red we don't wait and lynch him 4th or 5th trying to find other mafias first... don't pull a vivax on me...
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On February 28 2013 10:35 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 10:23 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 10:20 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:On February 28 2013 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
*shrug* Pls expound why ur point 1 is indicative of scum it's not at unless prom's in his first game of mafia which I'm pretty sure he's not. To be fair I can't tell you why he's mafia at all and I doubt anyone in here will be able to provide anything like that no matter of alignment because it's Grush but I am reeeeally certain he's not town. That only leaves mafia and maybe 3rd party to me, don't you agree? Just trust me again and you'll be happy :3 I didnt trust your read on prome before.. or anyone elses. I made my own decision on prome, and provided my own analysis. Lets assume Grush *IS* scum. So what.. he is so hard to fuckn read, and does nothing.. hes the ideal candidate to eliminate as the fourth or fifth scum. Lets assume we dont know Grush *alignment* - which for me is the situation Then the lynch is founded on nothing, other than uncertainty... thats not a solid lynch candidate for Day2 and puts to waste the efforts of lynching prome Day1. At least you admit outright you got nothing on him.. However, i am still surprised someone of your forum-mafia pedigree is treating this as valid scum hunting though? I have nothing? I'm about as certain about Grush as I was about prom. If there's no way he's town that's a pretty damn good reason to lynch him. And no, if we know his alignment to be red we don't wait and lynch him 4th or 5th trying to find other mafias first... don't pull a vivax on me... The 4th/5th candidate was because it reminded me of Mafia LIX with Oatsmaster. Me n Marv were dead certain on oats...WBG (and IIRC you) were opposed. we left him be (and chased higher profile targets like Chezinu) in the end, a scum oats didnt do much even being the 5th guy eliminated... which is a similar sentiment to a scum grush i believe.
No that's not correct. Firstly because both bugs and I were fine with lynching him (if I remember correctly) and it was just about the order of people lynched. The difference was that we thought we had 3 confirmed mafias around that time in oats, Chez and BKE. We're not in that situation at all.
On February 28 2013 10:32 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?)
Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves:Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scum Show nested quote +I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game.
I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum.
I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points)
VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play.
Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle, I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later*
Noone voted prom because of the rnd-thingie... that could have been something a townie did and in fact is probably more likely a towntell than a mafiatell on itself. People voted him because he slipped, showing that his supposed to be intentions didn't lign up with his explanations of his intentions. In fact they completly excluded each other like someone saying "I'm trying to extinguish the fire!" while holding a lighter and a torch in his hands.
Anyways, there is absolutely no reason for going on a witchhunt when the most likely explanation is that everyone in that list is just town. Actually no idea about Wade, haven't read what he said about prom but we're going after people who are looking bad for looking bad, not after people looking bad for looking to good...
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On February 28 2013 10:49 geript wrote:
No Toad, that doesn't explain why VE wanted to get credit for Prome instead of you. It doesn't even make sense that he's faulting you for trying to gain town cred when he's doing the same thing.
I don't even care. He did the right thing for whatever reason. I don't think he'd do that as mafia so early on. For all I care he could be sitting in his room rolling dices to figure out who to vote and it'd still make him look good given the timing.
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On February 28 2013 11:16 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:11 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 11:08 The Macho Man wrote:On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's explicit in my posts, I have nothing to fear. geript is scum so fear him you should not why do you say that? i see no super scummyness in his filter he attacks some of the huge names in the threads for whatever reason and seems to have no fear On February 27 2013 11:17 geript wrote:
Fine then Dr. You think I'm scum. Bring the case. looks like a misguided townie to me Macho... I asked Milkman before to tell me who your top 2 reads were. he couldnt find ithem. Frankly. i dont care who you think is (misguided) town, cos scum know who is town. Please be all macho and provide your top two scum reads. when i feel like it brah i lik mye town reads they are easier and almost always right.
it's pretty damn hard to be wrong on a town read lol :p
Shoot grush or Machoman, going to bed, cya later.
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On February 28 2013 11:39 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:37 JungleJorge wrote:
Restraining Order is another player likely to be scum. The type of behavior we are looking for are players standing in the sidelines while most of the prom discussion is happening, attempts of mudslinging when something that may sway the town occurs, then giving in after the lynch becomes clear. That can be observed in this man's filter. Hmm, while I agree it's day 1 and mayor vote. If he doesn't pick up then yes, he is scum.
Shoot thiss guy. RIGHT NAO
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On February 28 2013 19:40 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:39 grush57 wrote:On February 28 2013 11:37 JungleJorge wrote:
Restraining Order is another player likely to be scum. The type of behavior we are looking for are players standing in the sidelines while most of the prom discussion is happening, attempts of mudslinging when something that may sway the town occurs, then giving in after the lynch becomes clear. That can be observed in this man's filter. Hmm, while I agree it's day 1 and mayor vote. If he doesn't pick up then yes, he is scum. Shoot thiss guy. RIGHT NAO
And MachoMan.
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