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So he starts out D1 with his make-scum-the-mayor plan. Its easy to see what's not to like with this, but frankly, when reading it, it struck me as sincere play derived from assment of the setup. He mentions here that his premise is that the mayor will almost certainly die (turns out he was right), so it does seem potentially bad townie motivated to keep the most pro-town players out of this dangerous spot. The next notable part of his filter is this post: On February 27 2013 10:58 randombum wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 09:53 ObviousOne wrote: randombum Sounds like these scum-reads could be useful right now. Total scum-reads given to this point: Zero. Reading a few of the filters right now my biggest scum suspect is you. The obviousone. Your play just screams a mafia player pretending to be interested. All of your posts can be read as aggressive questioning, pointless questioning, wagon jumping, or buddying. All those things let you seem interested, but require you to commit very little to a position. Some things that stuck out: Interaction with me You try to start a band-wagon on me because of my stupid plan without actually discussing it. + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 13:58 ObviousOne wrote: And people thought my hypothetical scum-geript-mayor-gambit idea was ludicrous. A lynch for randombum is a vote from me. On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote: For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him. But when that gained no traction you ignore it and join the prom train which everybody is agreeing with. Also, you are the few who read my mayor campaign and gave it a response. It's one of your pointless asking a question response, but the bigger thing is: If you read my post and bothered to take it somewhat seriously you could've have easily gone and found my games from the last two years which is only two games before this one. Which obviously meant it was a joke post. Interaction with Vivax At the start of the game you write On February 26 2013 10:33 ObviousOne wrote: Is Vivax running for mayor? I'd vote that. and get to On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote: For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him. So somehow Vivax goes from your mayoral vote to a lynch you would get behind without you ever discussing him at all. It's like you are just going with the flow and going against anybody who is under heat from the thread. Even more telling with Vivax is when he comes back into the thread and people start letting up on him you post your next scum list On February 27 2013 10:14 ObviousOne wrote: My short list Prom - self explanatory, and why I'm voting VE or DocH for mayor layabout - instigating arguments instead of just ignoring the shit that apparently doesn't matter anyway Restraining Order - too restrained JungleJorge - crazy fucking plan to trap Prom Grush - Starsenses seems to be broken Again your suspects have no weight behind them, but more importantly Vivax isn't there. Even when earlier you had On February 27 2013 03:52 ObviousOne wrote: Vivax is the only one giving me a null/town read, too. I mean that's out there based on how I started the game, and I even think I mentioned I would be okay with voting someone who would lynch him. It's really... weird. There's nothing else about him before you short scum list. The last time you mention vivax you find him really weird, but he's less likely of a scum than the 4 almost non-entities in the thread? The following post really bugs me too. On February 27 2013 04:47 ObviousOne wrote: Okay, caught up on a second read-through. Going to do a couple filters now for players I don't even remember being in the game. Thanks for the idea DocH. First, its an "Oh I'm interested in the thread guys" post with no substance. Going though filters is a good idea? Why are you trying to buddy up Dr.H when reading filters should be standard. Everything you say makes you sound interested, but there is no stance behind any of them except the highly popular prom lynch. Overall this post strikes me as null. His pressure on OO seems to be derived from legitimate concerns, but he could also be trying to move pressure in Vivax's direction. Since we now know that Vivax is close to confirmed non-scum (either vig or SK) doing this is a little fishy. From there, the most telling opinion that shares is that he doesn't like RO's play in D2. I see no reason for scum to be calling out RO here. Prome was already dead and Chez was feeling the heat. I just don't see the benefit of trying to bus another mafia in this spot. Conclusion: Don't lynch. He hasn't been the towniest of towns, but nothing in his posts really screams scum to me. | ||
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On March 07 2013 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ho hum leaving for work in an hour the right people are all in the spotlight so tbh im not even worried about this game. i wont have time to post anything significant so if I die tonight, I agree with testsubject's thing on randombum but not convinced that TS is town. After coming to the conclusion that randombum is a null read, don't even post that case and find someone else you think is suspicious he doesn't seem to suspect anyone at all which is basically impossible at this point if you're town he just did what the vocal townie told him to do without any independence or effort into finding scum which is the goal if you're town, the goal is not to do what others (mafia) tell you to do or to appear as nonconfrontational as possible So let me get this straight. I say, I'm suspicious of and am gonna look into randombum, you respond by saying, make sure to post your thoughts about it before night is over, and then I post my thoughts and I'm just following orders without any independence? After that your argument seems to be that you might be mafia and therefore me listening to you means that I am mafia. How is that sound reasoning? As for "not suspecting anyone", right now I aqua is high on my list, but we're about to get a lot of information on that front when we see the number of night kills tonight. I don't see the point in speculating in that direction when you consider that we're about to get a lot of information. | ||
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On March 07 2013 06:10 TestSubject893 wrote: If there is a serial killer then aqua's RB claim looks a lot more legit. If there isn't, it seems likely that scum actions didn't get submitted and he is just claiming RB for town cred. | ||
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On March 07 2013 09:47 MilkSuckler wrote: Either way.. JJ correctly called out Wade Fell as Detective IN THE THREAD. I wonder what the benefit of that was for town? Wade wasnt under high suspicion then....Conveniently JJ hasnt been able to JK since Night 1 when he jailed Toad.... isnt it convenient that when Aquanim is RB'd ... JJ forgets to send in his action? I think we need to policy lynch JJ In fact, I am voting him now. ##Vote: JungleJorge He also claimed when it wasn't really helpful, but we didn't kill him for that either. JJ is confirmed town in my eyes; voting for him alone is enough for me to want to lynch you. | ||
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Since you think JJ is scum, which one of those 2 things do you believe to be true, Mocsta? | ||
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I think DrH must have misread the fact that you wanted to kill him on "policy" as saying he killed people on policy, I don't know. That half seems like misunderstanding. | ||
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On March 07 2013 12:33 randombum wrote: I don't think glurio is scum. Or at least I don't think he's scummier than a lot of people here. I've left this alone for a while because there's been a clear consensus on who to lynch and I didn't want to divert the thread, but I think it's time we lynched jcarl. He's been riding as scummy looking in the back of a lot of people's mind, but nobody has come out super strongly against him. His filter is short enough that everybody can go read it right now. Here are the things out of his filter that I would like you to notice and reach the same conclusion as me. That he is scum. Utter lack of commitment to reads. I've pointed this out before but, starts with a case on vayesh/vivax and drops them with minimal explanation. He then tries to push JJ because everybody thought JJ looked scummy, but now that JJ looks good his response is: + Show Spoiler + On March 04 2013 09:18 jcarlsoniv wrote: Yeah, I no longer believe JJ to be scum. After the RB claim and the subsequent RO flip, JJ looks pretty good. I'm not sure about aqua, but I'm somewhat inclined to listen to WF this go around. Jcarl reads will follow wherever the town is leaning. He will also drop down his "reads" with no backing whatsoever. + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2013 11:30 jcarlsoniv wrote: Not quite sure at the moment. I was fairly sure that either geript or hassy would flip scum. I feel like there's one (if not both) in the following list: WoS, DrH, WF, randombum, Macho Man Need to relook though. He throws down 5 names in a game of 15 remaining players. One of whom has since flipped town. More importantly he doesn't say why. He says he will relook, but it's been over a day since he claimed he would re-look and hasn't come back with anything. Maybe because everybody keeps ignoring me and goes after people not named jcarl. It's even more damning because literally 2 posts after he puts + Show Spoiler + On March 06 2013 14:26 jcarlsoniv wrote: DrH himself (the one you've been so keen to buddy up to most of the thread) said earlier this game: Someone who says they are going to do something and never does it is probably scum (I may be paraphrasing). But he hasn't come back to do what he said he would do. Hard defense of chezniu. It's self evident in his filter, but he clearly defended chezniu and hard. He claims hard defending scum is a town tell because only an idiot mafia wouldn't bus his teammate when chez was clearly next to be lynched. But chez's lynch wasn't truly set in stone. If you look at the final vote-counts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=400335¤tpage=6#105 Chez only had 13 votes. And RO (known scum) could switch at any time. Furthermore if they somehow manage to cause a no-lynch then they get an extra night kill. If they are super lucky they somehow get people to forget chez and lynch geript the next day giving them another night with 2 kills. Point being, he tried really hard to save his scum mate, but the plan backfired so he goes: "Oh, that's not a scum tell its actually a town tell to try to push a lynch off a mafia and into a townie." I don't buy it. Contradictory It starts with: Willing to sheep BH on a geript vote. Then says after geript and hassy die Bold mine. Into He is now trying to make Wade look bad, when he has been willing to sheep him and stated that he felt wades reads were correct? I like this a lot. When skimming through jcarl's filter I noticed he ended up on the wrong side of nearly every player who we now have alignment information on (or pretty good information like vivax and JJ). The one exception was prome, but he never seemed to be very passionate about his stance on prome either. Overall, it looks like scum play to me. | ||
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On March 07 2013 13:47 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh look randombum, you're starting to think like a townie! A nice change of pace. @Aquanim: What are your opinions of randombum's case on me? That's it? Do you intend to defend yourself at all? | ||
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