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Ugh I fail at quotes.
The above should be
On March 01 2013 06:05 geript wrote:
WoS. I've repeatedly taken the position that Pardoner is a far more Pro-Scum role and far better in Scum hands' than Mayor is. As I stated in my case, VE has made multiple announcements that he was interested in pardoner and specifically tried to get the Pardoner role over the Mayor role. Considering the pressure all game to destroy the role completely I doubt that entirely. As is the role is not going to be used; I trust DrH with that.
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On March 01 2013 06:14 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 06:10 Vivax wrote:
Hey VE I'm sorry to tell you, but some guy who worked in high risk psych for so long thinks there's something wrong with you.
I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit on this. This is blatantly false and reeks of just trying to stir the pot. Type A personality is just that; there's nothing right or wrong with it. While sociopaths tend to have type A personalities, there's been no direct links or clear causation (just correlation). Saying someone is Type A is no more a slam or saying that something's wrong with him than saying someone is meek and mild.
I'm not saying I agree with Vivax here (and kinf if a dick way of putting it, bad Vivax), but you still haven't addressed the fact that you pride yourself on these personality reads and your reads on me are wrong, and were wrong last game.
Where does that put your ability?
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On March 01 2013 06:21 geript wrote:Being wrong means I can be wrong. Is there a real point here?
Yeah, my point is pretty clear I would think. It means I nor anyone else in the thread should be able to trust your reads. You're wrong this time as well if you're partially basing your case on my 'excited' activity.
Ugh this is as good a time as any to duck out until after daypost considering I've apparently brought no worthy discussion with my case and am going mostly ignored once again. If only I was scum I'd win singlehandedly. I'll be back later this evening.
Oh and I guess so I can contribute to the actual topic of conversation: my 'conspiracy theory' involves Toad in a way. The same way that DrH mentioned he think both Geript and I are town despite being against each other in ways is very different from how I feel towards Toad vs VE.
I don't believe it's possible for them both to be town.
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Geript #1 reads NA.
Can we lynch him yet?
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Yeah Soniv I know you're busy but wtf.
Do something useful plz.
Mocsta I just saw that 'open question' you mentioned, sorry I didn't know it was directed at me.
Honestly, I have absolutely no clue what the fuck Prom was talking about...scum does what scum does. Yeah I wanted pardoner but meh. I don't think it's worth wasting time over but ultimately that's up to you.
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On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place.
As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads.
[WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because:
a) Medic likely on DrH
b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction.
c) Makes Toad look really bad.
[/WIFOM]
The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever).
I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
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On March 01 2013 09:19 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Geript #1 reads NA.
Can we lynch him yet? NA?
I forgot this wasn't the LoL forums haha. Read my most recent post. Thoughts on your ability to read/make cases given the most recent flip?
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On March 01 2013 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:19 randombum wrote:
Don't lynch geript, his conclusion was wrong, but it was coming from a valid place. As much as I fucking hate WIFOM, it's always in my head, and this one has gained some traction and ruins most of my fucking scumreads. [WIFOM] Scum decided last minute to lynch VE because: a) Medic likely on DrH b) Geript was under a lot of recent pressure over his bad case. Easy frame causing a mislynch D2 if it gains traction. c) Makes Toad look really bad. [/WIFOM] The fact that Soniv comes back just in time for NK just adds red fuel to the fire. If we're unsure about Geript (he's still on my radar) then we go Soniv or one of the others that people have suggested (Hassy/Chez/JJ/whatever). I can't be sure of Toad/Geript anymore.
Sorry for not consolidating (I'll shut up for a bit after this) but if the above WIFOM-encased theory is true, I'd be leaning towards Mocsta for scum as well since he'd take my bad town NMM meta and run with anything I had done this game D1.
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##Vote: jcarlsoniv
Way too much lurk and uselessness from a player who is definitely able to provide more.
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On March 01 2013 09:50 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 09:42 The Milkman wrote:
I cannot believe that a sane medic would leave mayor unprotected.
Like, no way in hell. If I were medic, I wouldn't protect VisceraEyes. I would have protected BloodyC0bbler to see what he brings Day 1 or maybe WaveofShadow. Why would you have protected WaveofShadow?
Lol I don't even understand this one myself. I don't know vets/smurfs...which one is BC?
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On March 01 2013 09:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 09:50 Aquanim wrote:On March 01 2013 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 09:42 The Milkman wrote:
I cannot believe that a sane medic would leave mayor unprotected.
Like, no way in hell. If I were medic, I wouldn't protect VisceraEyes. I would have protected BloodyC0bbler to see what he brings Day 1 or maybe WaveofShadow. Why would you have protected WaveofShadow? I think he's town and the way he is posting is constructive even if I don't agree with all of his ideas. I definitely would have used it on Vayesh though. Also, I'm noticing a pattern with all of the people whose Day 1 play I feel really bad about. 1. Accepting the Prom lynch without even trying to push any alternative/look elsewhere 2. Trying to push ObviousOne/JJ as scum targets pretty hard 3. Attacking me a lot without ever calling me scum
Which of my ideas don't you agree with? Insight plx, oh wise one.
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On March 01 2013 10:22 randombum wrote:
I guess that came out badly, I mean it more like since my original case and who I was planning to really push for has now become less of a target in my mind I'm looking to be convinced about somebody else. If I don't find somebody worth sheeping then I'll go with jcarl.
Join the flock.
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So...nobody has had a look at MilkSuckler/Mocsta in a little while, and as much as I'd like to, people tend to ignore my shit.
Vivax, Geript, Aquanim and DrH.
Any thoughts regarding him at all before I dive in at some point in the near future?
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On March 01 2013 11:28 geript wrote:
Sure. I think he's playing the same game. What'd you think of my points on toad?
I'm assuming this was directed at me. I think you need to go into more detail rather than just posting one liners and quotes. Put some effort into it, it's the cool thing to do.
I agree with your comment about Mocsta playing the same game, I mean holy fuck look at his filter. I'm not so sure that means he's scum like last game though, and I really want to delve in and have a look because there's something he did that bothers me a little, though it may be coincidence.
Problem is it's gonna take me forever to dive and now that half the thread has magically decided to return there's probably more important things to do. Btw, Moc, I don't need bandwagon support, I just want to see if anything specific caught their eye. I'll get to it eventually, don't worry dear.
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The chaos.....THE CHAOS
So....is there gonna be a flip or can we get back to productive discussion?
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On March 01 2013 12:03 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 12:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
The chaos.....THE CHAOS
So....is there gonna be a flip or can we get back to productive discussion? Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:32 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
So...nobody has had a look at MilkSuckler/Mocsta in a little while, and as much as I'd like to, people tend to ignore my shit.
Vivax, Geript, Aquanim and DrH.
Any thoughts regarding him at all before I dive in at some point in the near future? Is there something in particular u want to address to me? If you feel confident I am scum.. why do you need bandwagon support? You had no problem stepping up to ask for the pardoner role.. why should this be any different? @wos
No, I'm going to wait because it's going to get ignored.
Too much going on right now and other people to discuss. You jes' keep doing yer thang.
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On March 01 2013 12:37 grush57 wrote:
##Shoot: Chezinu
##Vote: Toadesstern
These 2 are scum...
I hate my brain.
+ Show Spoiler +Oh god what if we have 2 dayvigs or if some retarded reason Chez is town and DrH just baited the mafia dayvig into shooting.....aaaaaaghWIFOMMMMMMM
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I wait with baited breath.
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On March 02 2013 01:17 glurio wrote:Ok i caught up. (Kinda skimmed since grushs fakeshot.) I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement. Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that? I took a look at vayesh's filter. The reads he mentioned are the following: Wade Fell + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 06:36 VayeshMoru wrote:
It has come to the annuls of a man so lazy he forgot to don his mask. The shadows that adorned the face of this everywhere layer should come to reach the eyes of all. Tremble the men of black should start. The marching feet of justice shall not halt. A list of reads by VE where he thinks Toad might be third party + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 07:15 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 07:12 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 27 2013 07:05 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 27 2013 07:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
We're both pretty obviously lynching Prom. I'm not sure what you're getting at. Thoughts on more than one you have. Thoughts plentiful the doctor does have. Whichever most fall in a parallel line shall be the course to the voting shine. Yeah okay. Well here's where I'm at. MilkSuckler, Toadesstern, PromethelaxClearly you've seen how Toad is trying to take credit for the Prom lynch. Milk did the same thing directly after WF's case. They have both been downright indignant about it. What do you make of that? For my part I take it as scummy. I'm town, and my thoughts when others agreed was "whew" not "That bastard is trying to take credit for what I DID!" The scrambling for acknowledgement of their contributions to the upcoming lynch reads as trying to soak up town cred to me. of those thoughts Vayesh sees one common thought. A second thought is almost in align and the third is not yet fully concluded. The amphibian seems more some mutating thing, or perhaps the one who sells spirits. The man of bovine is still not fully alluded. geript + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 09:25 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 09:24 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 27 2013 09:21 geript wrote:
Prome I have more null to null minus as it feels more like he's intentionally trying to lynch himself. Right now I'm leaning more towards RO as all his posts read to me more towards general disinterest to trying to do anything. My problem is that I'm having trouble placing the underlying emotion so that I could really place the disinterest in perspective. You have a habit of not replying to all questions directed your way. & not quoting the questions.. makes it hard to assess your filter.. I would like to assume this behaviour is not intentional.. even phone posting its not hard to click "quote" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=58#1156For the question you chose not to address (for whatever reason) the ripped man is a man of the darkness. His serpentine ways are merely a habit of his nature Here a list of DrH where he agrees: layabout JJ geript testsubject vivax + Show Spoiler +On February 27 2013 11:17 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 11:12 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Gotta love seeing the mafia panic as soon as I get any cred. I'm not even pushing my own election. If I'm pardoner i wont use the power. Noone is confirmed town unless you're scum and already know or they die and flip. If your suspicion is based on the fact that I'm not confirmed as town, then kill anyone.
Misrepresenting as hell to say all i did was pressure prom a little. I made the biggest case to get the wagon rolling and I nailed wos and vivax to the wall immediately when I got wary of their posts. Even if I'm wrong about prom, my aggression and focus will have the scum sweating.
Prom layabout jj geript testsubject vivax
Gg no re
If you don't trust me, don't vote for me. If you're suspicious of me have the balls to call me scum. If your goal is to discredit a player who is scumhunting aggressively then you're not helping, especially if you can't point out how my case is so flawed, or honestly represent my post history. Geript has admitted only that i make him nervous and i doubt the town feels the same way. Hmmm who might react that way then?
Prom dies today, everyone else gets pressure. I'll save my next case for when it matters because splitting the wagons now does no good.
If you're just coming in now to discredit active townies after being absent from all productive town discussion, kiss your scum ass goodbye and learn how to play next time. Vayesh likes the words flowing from your gallifreyan mouth. The synconization of thoughts is more alike than that of any other soul. The logical conclusion is to give you power of the death machines. Toad scum/3rd party again + Show Spoiler +On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess. Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party geript again + Show Spoiler +On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's explicit in my posts, I have nothing to fear. geript is scum so fear him you should not Chez scum/3rd party + Show Spoiler +On March 01 2013 08:50 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Guess there can't be anything done about people not having a clue... Anyways shoot Macho / Grush and one out of BC / chez.
There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it.
I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely.
Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia.
Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid.
Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true.
That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said. This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia. I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red. Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid. I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture. I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it. Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case. And his death post: Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:57 VayeshMoru wrote:
not sure why obviousone is on so many lists -_-
However
Jcarlsoniv
Geript
Junglejorge
Layabout
Hassy
Chez
likely in that list is 2 mafia and 1 third party.
Haven't put in much more thought but RO, WF and milkman should all be on everyones watch lists as well. If DrH stops contributing like he did day 1 then hes likely third party.
Before anyone asks why I care about mafia and third party. Town has to off them to win as well. If you just look at the posts i quoted isolated, geript is clear winner with 4 posts about him. I do think we can find scum if we look at what he posted because there must be a reason why he got killed. He mentioned the following people (number of times they got mentioned): geript (4) toad (2) chez (2) JJ (2) layabout (2) hasyy (1) jcarlsoninv (1) wade fell (1) vivax (1) testsubject (1)
I very much like this post, except for the fact that you're assuming BC knew a lot more than he was letting on without having performed any checks yet. Because of his stupid cryptic bullshit he didn't really leave us clarity of infomration so I'm not sure if we can proceed with this.
Also hai guys I'm back for a lil'.
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On March 02 2013 02:41 JungleJorge wrote:
I jailed toad. I normally wouldn't claim like this, but reading this game is annoying me. Chezinu is confirmed scum btw, we should be voting him. There is absolutely no way chez would shoot someone randomly like that as town, without even giving him a chance to claim. His filter has no previous mentioned of him. Chez was a lynch target for today, so it makes sense for him to use his power as mafia not to waste kp. Besides all these obvious things that make him mafia, his behavior is very different from his town games, where he trolls but actively gives out reads and is way more interactive with players. Here we notice posting in small bursts, only to keep appearances and not engaged in any issues town is discussing.
##Vote Chezinu
I can get behind a Chez lynch (moreso than Toad honestly) but I'd be careful of the logic. Why would town randomly shoot someone, but I can see the same thing for mafia...it seems really dumb just to out oneself that early, especially since he wasn't really a main lynch target; there were probably 3-4 other people talked about equally as much.
If he is mafia then to be honest I see something malfunctioning within the scumteam.
What it would mean is that the Prom 'bus' probably wasn't a bus at all (and even though I should be ignoring it, Prom's GG post is likely true) and each member appears to be acting somewhat of their own accord, since outing 2 mafia members super early just seems like terrible play even if there is some epic scumplan behind it.
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