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On February 28 2013 06:38 Vivax wrote:
Everything has its context VE, a hassy doing what he does with his past history is not the same as MilkSuckler, of which the post isn't nearly as aggressive as Suckler's anyway.
I don't want Helvetica elected. My vote goes to Prom as pardoner unless Helvetica becomes mayor, then I'll try to get either VE or BH in as mayor. I don't need a dude with a terrible read on me in that position. VE at least knows my town meta.
##Vote Prom
that makes it VE (9) Promethelax, glurio, Hassybaby, VisceraEyes, The Macho Man, Restraining Order, grush57, randombum, WaveofShadow
Wade Fell (5) DoctorHelvetica, Aquanim, JungleJorge, Chezinu, ObviousOne
DoctorHelvetica (6): Milksuckler, layabout, VayeshMoru, jcarlsoniv, The Milkman, glurio
Prome (4): geript, TestSubject893, Toadesstern, Vivax
Laya next? That way we'd have VE on 9 and everyone else on 5.
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On February 28 2013 06:43 TestSubject893 wrote:Can you explain this to me? I can't wrap my head around it without wild speculation.
he wants to have to lynch me and say "well I was really certain!".
He can't do that once prom is pardoner anymore 
There's absolutely no reason to have one of VE or drH as pardoner. The role does nothing for town, there are no bodyguards, the only help might be pseudo protection from NKs if mafia have multiple shots for nights and choose to leave the pardoner alive to hope he's going to use it, but with both stating that they're not going to use it they both know they're going to get lynched if they're using it, as in it won't happen. So really I have no idea what VE is doing.
You're not helping VE.
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Could we get a proper votecount? I copy & pasted your votecount and edited it grey but that one is wrong somehow. It has 11 people listed on VE but the number only says 10 so bound to be wrong in one way or another.
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On February 28 2013 06:49 Wade Fell wrote:
I believe both VE and DrH are town, so I'm not worried about one of them being the pardoner. If I'm the pardoner, I won't use the power, since I am town. Due to the possibility of shenannies I will not be casting a vote electing anyone who I don't think is town.
do you see a reasoning for a "probably" townie to be elected as pardoner in favor of someone who's going to be dead?
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On February 28 2013 06:54 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 06:51 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 06:49 Wade Fell wrote:
I believe both VE and DrH are town, so I'm not worried about one of them being the pardoner. If I'm the pardoner, I won't use the power, since I am town. Due to the possibility of shenannies I will not be casting a vote electing anyone who I don't think is town. do you see a reasoning for a "probably" townie to be elected as pardoner in favor of someone who's going to be dead? This is a begging question. "Toadesstern, when did you stop beating your wife": of course, you never beat your wife. The choice isn't between electing the lynch target pardoner, and electing someone pardoner. The choice is between giving votes to someone who's townie and giving votes to someone who's scum, thereby taking a risk that shenannies happen. I won't espouse a complex plan. We do this simple and we do it right. No shenannies.
Just tell me what you're afraid of. Mafia pulling 5 members to last minute voteswitch on prom? Who cares lol. That's 5 outed mafias.
Prom is set to lynch and we're perfectly fine to pull this off.
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On February 28 2013 07:03 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 06:57 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 06:54 Wade Fell wrote:On February 28 2013 06:51 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 06:49 Wade Fell wrote:
I believe both VE and DrH are town, so I'm not worried about one of them being the pardoner. If I'm the pardoner, I won't use the power, since I am town. Due to the possibility of shenannies I will not be casting a vote electing anyone who I don't think is town. do you see a reasoning for a "probably" townie to be elected as pardoner in favor of someone who's going to be dead? This is a begging question. "Toadesstern, when did you stop beating your wife": of course, you never beat your wife. The choice isn't between electing the lynch target pardoner, and electing someone pardoner. The choice is between giving votes to someone who's townie and giving votes to someone who's scum, thereby taking a risk that shenannies happen. I won't espouse a complex plan. We do this simple and we do it right. No shenannies. Just tell me what you're afraid of. Mafia pulling 5 members to last minute voteswitch on prom? Who cares lol. That's 5 outed mafias. Prom is set to lynch and we're perfectly fine to pull this off. Or some group of well-intentioned but terrible townies (perhaps with scum leading or joining them) decides that the towniest player is actually JJ or something crappy like that, and votes flow from VE to him, and the day ends with the VE majority split across them, and Prom has the most votes. This kind of thing happens ALL the time, and the only reason it hasn't boned us in the past is we haven't done something foolish like give a scum player the second-most number of votes. No plan survives contact with reality, and I will _not_ support such a wrongheaded plan that could potentially give Prom this power. What, do you have a scumread on DrH?
no, why should I? But he's not confirmed. Some in here even said they won't treat us as confirmed even if prom flips red so I don't see a reason to give anyone the spot unless it's prom if we're able to do it.
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2 more people who are voting DrH need to vote VE and 2 more people who are voting VE need to pool onto VE as well.
Don't get more on prom.
Get votes off DrH and Wade
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On February 28 2013 07:13 TestSubject893 wrote:
I'm heading out real quick, should be back in 45 minutes or so.
Right now, I think people need to be moving their votes off VE, whether they want Prome as pardoner or not. If VE can't be bothered to explain his vote, he does not deserve our trust in either elected role.
we all want prom dead. Worst case is VE being mafia and still lynching prom because there's no way he'll get away with anything else.
Don't make this complicated, we're sticking with what we're doing right now.
Get votes of DrH and Wade, get votes on VE.
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We need to know who out of:- Milksuckler
- VayeshMoru
- jcarlsoniv
- glurio
- The Milkman
- DoctorHelvetica
- Aquanim
- ObviousOne
is here right now.
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On February 28 2013 07:17 The Milkman wrote:
Okay VE. I should stay up late I guess so I can help you guys out.
you're voting VE as of right now. That way we only have to adjust the Wade voters.
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On February 28 2013 07:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:17 The Milkman wrote:
Okay VE. I should stay up late I guess so I can help you guys out. you're voting VE as of right now. That way we only have to adjust the Wade voters.
my bad, just saw you already did it. Thanks.
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If two people from here:
Wade Fell (6): DoctorHelvetica, Aquanim JungleJorge, Chezinu, ObviousOne, Wade Fell
Would be willing to switch to VE that would be awesome. Most likely DrH and Aquanim imo. The other ones are somewhat weird and I don't want to trust them, either because they're weird or openly stated that they don't want to for no apparent reason.
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On February 28 2013 07:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm here but care very little about any of this. I'll vote for VE if that makes this easier.
it does.
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On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it.
he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one...
Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2.
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On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me.
I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way.
VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner.
As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess.
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On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess. Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party
I don't want him in office. I have to deal with him being in office though. That's the issue.
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On February 28 2013 07:46 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:37 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:34 VayeshMoru wrote:On February 28 2013 07:32 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 07:30 glurio wrote:
I actually really don't wanna vote for VE, all his comments about possibly not lynching prom based on whatever mood he has?
Why are you pushing for VEs election toad? There is a chance that he'll just lynch you, he already said that before. I don't get it. he's kind of stupid and emotional but there's no way he's stupid enough to lynch me. He knows that'll get him instalynched if he's mafia and it has to be a joke trying to make me rage if he's town, though I don't really see the reasoning for that one... Anyways, if Prom comes in 2nd there's literally no way any mayor we elect can pull bullshit on us. I like the idea and we can just ignore VE once he becomes mayor. At least that's my plan for d2. VE has day vigi'd people who he knew were town (as town) to attempt to get someone he wanted lynched. He has revenge killed people for getting him lynched on bad play. He has countless number of examples of this style of play. You pushing for him this hard after his flip flopping of who he'd lynch compared to the steadfastness of Bh and drH baffles me. I think I'm more safe if Prom comes in 2nd. As I just said there's literally no way anyone can not lynch that way. VE comming in 1st while prom is not 2nd is kind of scary to be honest. He's incredibly volatile, incredibly emotional, as you just said but there's no way he could just not lynch prom if prom's the pardoner. As I said, VE being mayor isn't what I want at all but when I said it he was at 10 votes and the 2nd guy was at 5 votes... I'm trying to make the best out of it. I don't want VE in either position to be honest but we'll have to work with him I guess. Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party I don't want him in office. I have to deal with him being in office though. That's the issue. Straight up lie. given how many votes have been swapped getting drH or BH into office would have been easily possible. We also have both seen vote swings done in the past that put people into power or into being lynched no one thought would happen in the last few hours / minutes. if you wanted someone else you would have pushed for it.
I don't really feel like it given that I asked to be replaced out or I'll ragequit this game because of VE. I'm sadly not allowed to do either so again, I'll have to deal with his stupidity and the way I do that is by flaming back everytime he shoots at me and trying to ignore him as much as I can in the meantime.
Yeah I know completly ignoring him would be better but it doesn't work that way for me. For references something from 2 (? or 3?) games ago. Talking with syllo (he wasn't in the game): + Show Spoiler +Original Message From syllogism: Okay, I just hope you won't do that when I'm playing =P Show nested quote +Original Message From Toadesstern: because the dude keeps calling me a retard and a liar and I'm fed up with him... can't believe they haven't seen the DT and medic claiming. The medic actually claimed 3 times in the thread ... I'm actually considering to out the medic because there's no way that mafia hasn't seen that at least once. Original Message From syllogism:
Why are you drawing attention to a DT? Perhaps you are assuming mafia reads carefully, but usually if town fails to notice something, mafia certainly will as well.
(I don't know anything about the game, just trying to figure out if you actually have a reason for wanting to out a DT)
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yeah fine, I'll vote prom
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On February 28 2013 08:09 Wade Fell wrote:I'm just gonna say before i'm legit out of here, that I alone can be trusted unfailingly lynch toad and I will make the best use of the 2x vote. I laid serious smackdown on Toad (link), I brought Aquanim around (link) and evolved my position on JJ (link) in response to new evidence. I've demonstrated clearly that I should be the Mayor (link) and you could not go wrong elected me. My opponents think I'm a great mayoral candidate, and want me to be mayor even! A vote for WF is a vote for Justice! this message sponsored by WF for Mayor 2013
I'm kind of concerned when reading this.
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