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Wade Fell
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Wade Fell
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1. Is BH really interested, will he in fact lynch Prom? Now, I like VE as much as any other guy does. He's thoughtful and pushing the discussion in a good direction. IF you're not voting for him, it's not because you have a scumread on him-- it's because initially he wasn't committing to lynching Prom. At the moment I write this post, I believe that VE wants to lynch Prom. If he were elected right now, he'd drop the hammer on the man. But he's not consistently anti-Prom like DrH and I (though I remain open to new possible lynch candidates) who have not wavered in our support of a Prom lynch, even for a moment. VE right now will lynch Prom. But what about VE in 6 hours? Or VE in 12 hours? If there's one thing we know about VE, it's that he's a strident and aggressive player as town, and changing who his target is, even if he doesn't want to do it right now, is exactly the kind of thing VE does. He probably believes himself when he affirms his willingness to lynch Prom at deadline-- but that's the now-VE, not the 12-hours-from-now VE. I trust present VE, but future VE loves shenannies. He loves them more than I do. "But Blazinghand", you say, "you have done shenannies yourself!" And yes, these shennanies (such as in Mario Mini D1) have worked well. But examine my shennanies, and you see that in Mario I was pushing Hapa all day. Sometimes, I have games where I am suspicious of everyone, but sometimes I have games where I have a damn scumread and I push him all day, and I don't stop until he's 6 feet under. Yes, I've criticized people other than Prom. Yes, I like DrH and VE. But I'm the _only_ guy here who has the tunnel vision to pull this thing off, the crush Prom like the fly he is. I will not waver. And that's more than can be said for the others, townie and talented they they are. 2. I'm not sure of Blazinghand's alignment. VE seems like a safer bet. Is it really townie for BH to be so abrasive? The other guys seem like they'll use the power better. Look, you can look at Parrallel world, or Bureaucracy, or Idiot Cop Mafia, and it's SUPER clear what my scum meta is like. I'm an aggressive guy. I call them like I see them. I post a mixture of one-liners and text-walls and I MAKE SENSE. I make people uncomfortable. I push them out of their comfort zones. And I'll be damned if it doesn't WORK. Look, DrH is kinda a passive guy. He doesn't really want this. And VE? VE will often be all talky but he doesn't use his vote like a cudgel the way I do. Check out my play in Themed Game Mafia (link) where just on the strength of my vote I pushed down the scumteam (though was hit by a vengeful mechanic at the start of N1). This is how I play. I'm in people's faces, and I don't apologize for it. Some guys, like Layabout, get butthurt (jk jk) but it's how I roll and how I haven't been mislynched as a townie in over a year. My scum play is asstastic (and yes I know saying that from myself isn't super convincing, but you get the idea) and EVERYONE knows when I'm scum. If you give DrH the double vote, sure, he'll be kinda useful, and VE might make some headway with it, but if you give me the double vote, I'll cut swathes through the scumteam like a spear of vinegar cutting through barrels of unspoiled wine. I alone can bring this power to its full potential. Look at my play in Themed Game Mafia, now imagine that with a double vote. Are you salivating now? Yes, yes you are. You want me, baby. 3. But BH / WF is a TOTAL MEANIE HEAD! He was _mean_ to me, and I want to elect someone who was all nice! Being mean is totally a scumtell! No. Don't buy this logic for a second. Maybe you're mad at me! Maybe you've been pressured by me, or felt I was part of a vast veteran conspiracy to lock you out. Maybe I called you dumb. But only scum fears the light, and I do not step down when I have something to say. Being mad at me is NOT a case against me. Set those feelings aside. Don't vote with your emotions. Vote with your mind. I alone will unerringly lynch Prom. I will use the doublevote aggressively as I always do. I am obviously town-- several veterans deduced this was me before I broke smurf because of how idionsyncratic my town play is. You know I'm the right choice, more right than those two ever could be. | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
vote wade fell | ||
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Wade Fell
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On February 27 2013 17:54 DoctorHelvetica wrote: grush57 is one of the worst players i've ever seen and im in no state of mind to try to work out what the nuances are between his usual uselessness and his scum uselessness This would be a terrible sentence, but it's about grush57 so it's absolutely correct. | ||
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Wade Fell
United States501 Posts
On February 27 2013 17:58 Toadesstern wrote: he's more actively useless and more in your face when town. He usually tries to push some kind of bullshit screaming at people, yelling and kicking at the same time. Pretty sure he's not town. oh god you learned his meta | ||
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Wade Fell
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Wade Fell
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On February 28 2013 06:51 Toadesstern wrote: do you see a reasoning for a "probably" townie to be elected as pardoner in favor of someone who's going to be dead? This is a begging question. "Toadesstern, when did you stop beating your wife": of course, you never beat your wife. The choice isn't between electing the lynch target pardoner, and electing someone pardoner. The choice is between giving votes to someone who's townie and giving votes to someone who's scum, thereby taking a risk that shenannies happen. I won't espouse a complex plan. We do this simple and we do it right. No shenannies. | ||
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Wade Fell
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On February 28 2013 06:52 layabout wrote: BH get with the plan we are destroying the power and (i thought) we were having VE with mayor. No. | ||
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On February 28 2013 06:57 Toadesstern wrote: Just tell me what you're afraid of. Mafia pulling 5 members to last minute voteswitch on prom? Who cares lol. That's 5 outed mafias. Prom is set to lynch and we're perfectly fine to pull this off. Or some group of well-intentioned but terrible townies (perhaps with scum leading or joining them) decides that the towniest player is actually JJ or something crappy like that, and votes flow from VE to him, and the day ends with the VE majority split across them, and Prom has the most votes. This kind of thing happens ALL the time, and the only reason it hasn't boned us in the past is we haven't done something foolish like give a scum player the second-most number of votes. No plan survives contact with reality, and I will _not_ support such a wrongheaded plan that could potentially give Prom this power. What, do you have a scumread on DrH? | ||
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Wade Fell
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Come on, we can't take that risk. | ||
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Wade Fell
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I'm, uh, actually the best candidate? And apparently 5 brave and thoughtful souls and one JJ agree with me. | ||
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Wade Fell
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On February 28 2013 06:52 Vivax wrote: Anyone else besides JJ you would lynch, wade? I'd also like more opinions on Hassy, he keeps flying under the radar. So far I'm the only guy who has been pressuring him and that's concerning. Prom is actually my top lynch choice, then JJ. If elected, I will lynch PROM. I will NOT lynch JJ with this lynch. This I promise. | ||
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Wade Fell
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On February 28 2013 07:13 VisceraEyes wrote: I still oppose trying to put Prom as pardoner. Too many variables. Too many lurkers. Too many people who don't want to budge their vote. It's not feasible. Look guys who are voting Prom, if nothing else, even if you won't listen to me, listen to the most popular mayoral candidate. VE knows what I know-- that foolish risks are just that, foolish. Unvote Prom. | ||
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On February 28 2013 07:20 Vivax wrote: Really let's stop all this fuss about who becomes mayor. I'd currently rather have VE in than Wade given how unwilling to give out reads Wade is. Prom gets lynched either way, the winner gets a double vote basically so let's discuss tomorrow's lynches instead of talking so much about this pardoner stuff. Destroying the pardoner role is a fine idea but it's not a tragedy if it goes to a townie looking guy either. Wade, I was actually asking you if you have any other reads besides Prom and JJ, I saw Prom as a nobrainer cause he's dead meat anyway. Unwilling to give out reads? I helped nail down prom and I'm the only real comprehensive JJ case. I'm not making a shitty list post. If I could nail 3 people right now (kill, not bone) I'd say it'd be Prom, JJ, and Geript. But I haven't written a case against Geript yet, because I focus on my reads rather than shitting up the thread with list posts. | ||
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Wade Fell
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Remember, 1) don't vote prom 2) vote me | ||
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Wade Fell
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On February 28 2013 07:27 Blazinghand wrote: wow you know town has gone off its hinges when VayeshMoru is the voice of reason | ||
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Wade Fell
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Wade Fell
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I brought Aquanim around (link) and evolved my position on JJ (link) in response to new evidence. I've demonstrated clearly that I should be the Mayor (link) and you could not go wrong elected me. My opponents think I'm a great mayoral candidate, and want me to be mayor even! A vote for WF is a vote for Justice! this message sponsored by WF for Mayor 2013 | ||
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