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On March 01 2013 14:46 MilkSuckler wrote: Its a waste of read regardless.. why even say you think Aqua/OO is scum.. if your not going to produce a single iota of evidence or reason. Its like he felt obliged to post, because he said he woudl share some thoughts. That is exactly what I felt. Apparently this was the wrong choice and I'll make note of that for the future. On March 01 2013 14:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Well, tell us your thoughts on Aqua. What exactly about OO made you think he wasn't scum? You need to show your work. I was mostly focusing on this post by OO and the response from Aqua. I was thinking that OO is never really saying anything of relevance, but Aqua says this and it really strikes me as scummy: I didn't really see the point in posting serious cases after about midway through D1. I much prefer to pressure someone when I can actually threaten them with a lynch, and the Prom lynch was pretty much cemented. My play was focusing on dissecting cases made by other people (geript and Vivax in particular iirc) and thinking about whether they were sincere. He thinks that posting cases is bad, but is relying on others posting cases. On top of all of that I had this weird interation with OO last game that I'm trying to keep from biasing me this game, but sometimes I think I'm overcompensating and its causing me to be really indecisive about the whole thing. This post feels not productive either. Hopefully it answers your questions, but please ask away if you have more. | ||
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On March 01 2013 14:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Post your case on OO even if you're doubting it now. I've posted some dumb cases so far and changed my mind. At least it will show us you're actually trying There is no case anymore, there where some links and some incomplete sentences. It never got clsoe enough to completion to be a "case". | ||
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On March 01 2013 15:55 Aquanim wrote: @TestSubject, why do you think one of OO and myself is scum? Also, I'd like to hear your read on layabout. GG Milkman. Your milk is delicious. The way you 2 were fighting made me think you were both scummy, but also made it unlikely that you were both mafia. I have been working under assumptions similar to those that WoS recently expressed and am starting to think that those assumptions aren't so great. It hasn't gotten me to anything conclusive anyway. On March 02 2013 02:41 JungleJorge wrote: I jailed toad. I normally wouldn't claim like this, but reading this game is annoying me. Chezinu is confirmed scum btw, we should be voting him. There is absolutely no way chez would shoot someone randomly like that as town, without even giving him a chance to claim. His filter has no previous mentioned of him. Chez was a lynch target for today, so it makes sense for him to use his power as mafia not to waste kp. Besides all these obvious things that make him mafia, his behavior is very different from his town games, where he trolls but actively gives out reads and is way more interactive with players. Here we notice posting in small bursts, only to keep appearances and not engaged in any issues town is discussing. ##Vote Chezinu I don't understand why JJ claimed here. Even if we are 100% sure that JJ is telling the truth, it doesn't tell us anything about Toad other than the fact that he didn't lie about the RB. He could still have been scum. | ||
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On March 02 2013 03:43 jcarlsoniv wrote: That's like saying we don't get emotionally invested in LoL  Also, I realize my defense is basically "it doesn't make sense", but I'm just not convinced. I think what he's pointing out though is that some players, like Toad did here, are playing suboptimally because of that emotional invest. I know that when I do analysis I usually just see those emotions as a cover to allow them to get away with scummy plays, when Toad's play shows us that that is not always the case. I know a lot of being a good player comes down to sorting out the sincere bad plays from the intentional ones, but I can tell you right now that assessing the egos and emotions in this game has really thrown me for loop. I feel like its a big hole in my play and if anyone has any advice on patching it more quickly, it would be much appreciated. | ||
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On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote: No bites? Lets try again I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations. The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot. Geript, no idea what role he possesses. @ALL Thoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript? I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know. On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote: You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling. I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed. I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip. | ||
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On March 03 2013 01:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Who was it that said JJ was scum for claiming Jailer? That person is likely scum and should get shot. That is absolute retardation JJ is confirmed town I think it was WF. Is that enough for you to want to kill him? | ||
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On March 03 2013 01:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote: by the way if the mad hatter had bombs on chezinu and geript id consider lynching the mad hatter or testsubject/geript just blow this game up and let's see what we have on day 3 Why me? | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I actually wondered about that bit too, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him clarify before I call it a scumslip. And you because you were there with geript pushing doubt and nothing else on Day 1 Prom Lynch and you're playing very scared and hesitant. Problem with mafia game is differentiating new and scared town from mafia can be pretty hard so I'd hope you start putting some pep in your step and show some initiative here. Show me where I pushed doubt on the Prom lynch. I questioned his reasoning before he decided to practically claim scum, and never once said I didn't want him lynched. I'm playing "hesitant" because my scummiest reads are the people already set to be lynched. I've pretty well proven that I'm not as good at communicating my reasoning as others in this game, and its clear to me that I don't have close to the same amount of time to spend filter diving and otherwise analyzing this game compared to other productive townies. When I have input, I give it to you, and its been made clear that when my input isn't helpful, its in the town's best interest for me to keep my mouth shut. | ||
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On March 03 2013 02:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and @TestSubject, go read Ver's guide, go look at some good townplay in other threads, there's always aggression. I've relentlessly attacked people I didn't have strong reads are because it forces me to come to a conclusion based on their responses. Look how hard I grilled WoS early in this game on more or less one/two sentences. He responded well and that null/unsure read got pushed into a town read. You have to push your null reads so they swing one way or the other, if you just sit on a null read then you're not ever going to have an opinion. Ok, I'll read the guide. The fear I have with pushing null reads is that if they turn out to be town it makes me look scummy, and wastes the town's time by making them go after me next. For example, early in this game, when my read on you was null and I pointed that out. You've had me pegged as scummy ever since. | ||
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On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote: I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow. Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum. The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred. | ||
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On March 03 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote: I think any argument towards Geript at this point is completely useless at this point considering he's not actively trying to defend himself; rather he picks and chooses what he's going to ignore and what he's going to respond to and whether he feels on acting martyr-y at the moment. According to ME, (since we didn't have a vote count too recently), Vote count is 13 for Chez and 6 for Geript right now, so that does not make him likely To get lynched in ~2.5 hours(?) At least I hope not; as I've stated before I really just don't feel like giving him what he appears to want. If he really wants to be lynched that badly he can wait a day. Chez is more important in my eyes; I don't care what Geript flips as much as I do Chez. That's why I said tomorrow. Like Day 3. Not RL tomorrow, in game tomorrow. | ||
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On March 03 2013 07:51 layabout wrote: no it isn't, it's a bit against the spirit of the game though + Show Spoiler + It is common for mafia to use a medium outside of TL such as QuickTopics or IRC to communicate during the game. Please be mindful that other players may be more tech savvy than you and they may attempt impersonate members of your team or attempt to infiltrate your chat. You use these media at your own risk. aqua i shouldn't be the one to point out why to you but you should think i am town. I agree with aqua. You're not high on my list of scum right now, but not high on my list of town either. | ||
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On March 03 2013 09:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Ur basically guaranteed hit or rbd though  Hatter just throw bombs down and lets lynch him tomorrow Hatter's bombs only go off if he get's killed at night. + Show Spoiler + Maybe you should read the OP. :X | ||
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Why the change in tone when addressing geript? If you think someone is scum tell us why, but I don't see the point of being so antagonizing if you aren't trying to project some sort of image to everyone else. Beating a dead horse does little to advance the goals of the town. And while I've got you're attention, I don't believe you ever commented on the latter half of this post. | ||
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On March 04 2013 02:55 layabout wrote: Looking for "scumlips" is more or less hoping to get lucky. Why not spend your time doing something that might actually identify scum? I'm not sure what else productive I could have done with the 15 seconds I used to add that sentence at the end of my post. You seem to have something in mind though. Enlighten me? | ||
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