EPTI like his behavior and responses to a couple of things.
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I like his behavior and responses to a couple of things. | ||
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On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Everytime someone says something like that I get the feeling they're not actually part of "town" themselves. Funny you're the one who said something like that, isn't it ? | ||
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On February 26 2013 22:08 Toadesstern wrote: Everytime someone says something like that I get the feeling they're not actually part of "town" themselves. Funny you're the one who said something like that, isn't it ? that is unless it's a post done 5 minutes prior to deadline with you yourself being the guy to be lynched. In that case it makes sense but we're not in that situation yet. | ||
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On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote: My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... | ||
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On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote: Come on man, stop with that megalomania. I understand that you have high mafia-esteem, but I just noticed that you are not the star of the show. That's all. I saw your games where you were one of the most sparkling ones. [...] Isn't that kind of contradicting itself? You expect me to be the star of the show and tell me I should have been more active around 4 to 5 am my time.. | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:17 The Milkman wrote: Toad, you made enough posts but just did not get into the front row. I am not attacking you for not playing 24h, I am just saying that you DID post but your presence was not as strong as it usually is. I said I'd be willing to bet VE's left ball on prom benig mafia and that we need to kill him. What exactly do you consider thread presence? Because it does sound like you don't consider me enough in people's faces from what I'm reading and quite frankly I don't think I can be more into peoples faces as I've been the first couple of hours this game. I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now. | ||
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On February 27 2013 00:25 Toadesstern wrote: I said I'd be willing to bet VE's left ball on prom benig mafia 2 hours into the game and that we need to kill him. What exactly do you consider thread presence? Because it does sound like you don't consider me enough in people's faces from what I'm reading and quite frankly I don't think I can be more into peoples faces as I've been the first couple of hours this game. I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now. EWBOP am in a game of dota right now so I'm only posting very quickly inbetween deaths :p | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:07 Vivax wrote: Let's lynch yamato, for glory. who's yamato? He's really easy to read if you know it's him so I'd appreciate the help. But yeah macho is iamp :p | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:16 Vivax wrote: It's obvious milkman is yamato. Actually not sure if I want to lynch him. His head over heels blind frothing aggressiveness would mean he's likely town. But his points are so stupid and his behaviour so anti-town that I really feel like. if he's yamato he is almost certainly town. Like the townies mofo that ever towned a town. And that's something in a game with iamp. Though I haven't checked him out to see if he's actually town this game. Was kind of busy owning mafia and playing dota inbetween. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:20 Vivax wrote: Toad, you seem disinterested in communicating your own reads and happy with the thread's direction. Am I right with this? how do you get that idea I'm disinterested in communicating my own reads? Communicating my own reads is the reason we're where we are yet because again, I was the guy who just said what was on his mind while people like laya / VE and later on other people only ended up saying "yeah saw that as well Toad, agree". I'm still having some troubles with some of those and wonder why they didn't just mention it themselves if they saw it as concerning themselves but I there's no reason to go into that right now. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:26 The Milkman wrote: You should not base your read on who I might be, but rather who I am right now. The point of a smurf is to throw meta out of the way and that's what I want to achieve with me smurfing. I don't care about what you want to achieve with it. If meta helps me read you I'll use it no matter if you like it or not. Sad thing I don't know if Vivax is basing his assumption on something or just spouting nonsense. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:29 Vivax wrote: I think you're unusually sheepy and happy with just sitting around with your vote on VE, you're usually more "dominant" as town. name one thing where I sheeped someone. Just one thing in this game. Right now. About how "dominant" I usually am... again I said I'd bet VE's left ball on prom being mafia 2 hours into the game. How much more dominant do you want me to be? I usually stop repeating myself after saying the same thing 3 times or something like that and I think everyone understands what my reads are about now. | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:32 The Milkman wrote: Okay, if you are so set on me being yamato77, then so be it. I guess I should be happy that someone thinks I am town, but the way you created your reasoning is not exactly one I'd like to be made. that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if I get confirmation on it I'll use it. Sadly I don't have cofirmation, like I just said in the post you quoted. That's the point of the big IF in my sentence. I don't know wether you're Yamato or not, but if you are you're town. You're not a townread at all to me. | ||
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I don't either. Why don't you? | ||
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On February 27 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote: Why do you want us to write a defence for the guy you want to lynch? wrong answer. If the guy you quoted is town he is open minded and if your defense proves is suspicion on prom to be incorrect he'll be happy to tell you so and look for someone else. You don't tell people to do only stuff that aligns with your thoughts... It is concering that he wants people to explain a lack of scuminess though. That's just not going to happen. There's no point in defending prom for anyone in this game unless your name is prom or you have someone you consider to be far more scummy. The first one is irrelevant, the second one is done by explaining why you think guy-#2 is scummier and should be an option as well. So while the question might look decent and open minded it's actually really naive to assume something like that would help at all. | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Oh, bad memory. You're right, you weren't even involved. I wanted to get him out of the way as quickly as possible. So I admit to that. Thank god Marvellosity and Mattchew aren't in this game or I'd be trying to lynch Mattchew for what Marvel said and vice-versa. how do you know Matt isn't in the game? | ||
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I'll shamelessly quote myself from the mafia awards 2013 thread: 2 Nominations from LIX 1) Vivax for WTF-Award, from BC's TL Mafia LIX http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=104#2071 into http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=104#2074 into http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=105#2084 TL;DR Sup guys I'm a DT, it's D2 and I've got a red check on Gonzaw, but let's lynch the mayor (Marv) who succesfully lynched mafia d1 instead because we can just go for the big fish and Gonzaw (red check) already used his joat powers after all. After lynching Marv we should probably lynch Toad, the sheriff who ended up being sheriff with exactly as many votes as my red check Gonzaw, just comming in as second because he had 4 votes sooner. Once those two are dead we can lynch my red check and 5 other guys. [...] That's the guy you're dealing with... On a sidenote: Hassy you here? | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I'm not going to put up with people being always allowed to suck because everyone is too afraid to point a finger at someone for being bad based on meta. If it were up to me people like kenpachi/grush57 would be banned for life but since that won't happen at least I can hope after getting lynched a billion times for being bad town they might take a hint and reexamine the way they play the game. What Vivax is doing is consistent with the things I look for to find scum, so I'm not backing down just because he was a stupid town in another game. awesome. I'll ignore you when it comes to problematic people. As long as you agree on Prom being the primary lynch as well though that's fine for now and given your case that does seem to be the case. VE how are the waffles? | ||
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