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On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote:

FLUFF

Let's get down to business then. First of all I would like to give you my opinion about the mayoral election: I didn't give it much importance. One lynch, two votes, that's it. A townie looking guy gets elected, either a townie looking guy gets confirmed if he hits scum or townie looking scum rides the wave to a mislynch and can shake off responsibility for it.
I don't understand why you're trying to discredit mayoral election. The mayor decides our lynch. He is as important as normal lynch.
My major interest laid in creating a nice atmosphere where we can have fun together and catch butterflies all day so that people who are scum actually feel safe to play like scum. What I've learned in past games is that people I read as scum got a valid reason to not answer questions when I actually read them as scum and called them like that.
"Oh what you call me scum you idiot fine I'll ignore you" fuck that shit.

To catch scum you have to let them feel cosy, when they think they didn't have the pressure to post for two days, then you will struck them with holy might knowing that they actually had the confidence to really play like lurky scum. When they don't know you will push for their lynch at deadline they will post more information, closer to their agenda than to the one made visible by townies.
Since town doesn't seem to want to adopt such an innovative strategy, let's move on with standard play.
I understand that some players might have their own ways to play. That's fine. They keep it to themselves and work the game out. What's the point of posting all of thise? In the end, you say that people don't want to adopt this play so even YOU say that's just useless fluff. Are you trying to make this post look important and big?
Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions.
However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute.
For some reason your logic for towniness is same opinion=town.
ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts.
Why are you liking one-liner spam trolls again? His answer was nonexistant.
aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him.
Again, someone is NOT town because they have DIFFERENT reads than you. What method of scumhunting is that? You say that his posts are artificial, how? I don't see that. He's the guy "going deeper" and asking questions.
Layabout could be lurky scum. If he's town I'd like him to post more. I remember him being an aggressive pusher as town in fruity mafia.
Why even talk about someone you have no idea about right now?
JJ is a good lynch candidate. His attack on me for playing casually is a scum trait, and he quit pursuing me asking me a weird question about what I think. Well, after the last refresh (23:40 TL time) I see he's actually back to get me. Saying I didn't follow up after calling him scummy for what he did, too bad that I went to sleep around 3 AM and I'm spending 2:30 hours with reading and writing this post, so his argument is again scummy and not thought out.
The argument he's used didn't apply to me, but also to Toad and some other dudes. He seems to think people trying to guess smurf identities are scum, as pointed out in my earlier post.
Again, attacked me=scum, holy.
Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him.
What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference.
Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt.

Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason).
Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him.

I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me.
YOU THINK PROMETHELAX IS TOWN BECAUSE VE THINKS YOU ARE MAFIA? HOW BULLSHIT IS THAT?
You care about being "town" in people's eyes too much in my taste.
Geript looked pretty scummy to me yesterday, but since he's a newbie that might just be a consequence of that. His attacks on me cause of me being casual made me pretty suspicious, and his blabber about an agenda linked to that as well, but I don't want to lynch a newbie this early, they can look scummy as either alignment.
What the fuck? I saw newbie card played, but defending a person WHEN THAT PERSON IS NOT UNDER ANY PRESSURE AT ALL USING THIS REASON IS SO MUCH BULLSHIT!
In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis.

On February 27 2013 01:02 Vivax wrote:
No, that post by yours is mafia agenda bro. I'm not glorifying anything, I'm laying out my thoughts and posting my reads.

U scum?

On February 27 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:

if he's yamato he is almost certainly town. Like the townies mofo that ever towned a town. And that's something in a game with iamp. Though I haven't checked him out to see if he's actually town this game. Was kind of busy owning mafia and playing dota inbetween.

On February 27 2013 01:28 Toadesstern wrote:

I don't care about what you want to achieve with it. If meta helps me read you I'll use it no matter if you like it or not. Sad thing I don't know if Vivax is basing his assumption on something or just spouting nonsense.

On February 27 2013 01:34 Toadesstern wrote:

that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying if I get confirmation on it I'll use it. Sadly I don't have cofirmation, like I just said in the post you quoted.

That's the point of the big IF in my sentence. I don't know wether you're Yamato or not, but if you are you're town. You're not a townread at all to me.

On February 27 2013 22:39 MilkSuckler wrote:
Firstly, is this a point about Macho... or a point about layabout?


Secondly, Im curious you find Macho "easily readable".
Let me share a post about iamperfection in his concurrent game.
Now in that game; he gives direct scum read(s), fuck all justification. Typical iamp town core.

This game; I challenge you/anyone to tell me who his top scum read(s) are.
What I noticed was a lot of "+1" posts.
I won't bother asking to show fuck all justification, because the whole filter reads like that. At least that is common across the two filters.

On February 28 2013 00:18 Vivax wrote:
Yeah iamp doesn't play like town iamp I noticed that too. But we are also pretty sure that it's iamp when we can't be 100%, and if he truly is then he's in another game already. That might be a little stressing, or he is faking to be iamp to use that argument although that would be a little "extreme".

I don't want to take pressure away nonetheless and I expect him to post more when there's actually a wagon to get going, since the current mayoral candidates are all set on lynching the same guy. The direction might be more obvious when Prom's alignment is off the table.

@ Milkman

You did call Milkman and Toad scum, this is from one of your posts I quoted.
No I did not. Please point out where I used word "scum" or "scummy". You know a game called mafia? He is in trance of that game. He got into it after a while. Clear?




Calling people in mafia trance or suspicious and not playing according to town meta I see as calling them scum, but maybe that's just me.
I noticed something that was out of order in my head. That being Toad playing like he was. I DID NOT call him scum, because people change the way they play you know? Just because I see some disturbance in meta does not mean someone is scum or town. Come on. The point of this post was just to make Toad explain to me why he felt to play this way and he did just that.
That you talked with Toad after it is irrelevant to my argument. Toad reacted and you had to counter-react, he reacted cause you called him out as scummy. The point of my argument is your sudden wholehearted Prom lynch support with throwing in a few half-assed town- and scumreads in between

In later posts, I see that you actually tried to dissuade MachoMan from his Prom defence so you did actually soft push for a Prom lynch despite mentioning so many other reads before and that makes you look better.
I didn't like your response to my big post however. It looked to me like you quoted it just with the intent of making me look bad.



Then this post. VE wants to lynch Prom, but you are basically telling VE to look at my post again and change opinion about the lynch target from Prom to me. This doesn't coincide with your earlier interests.
VE said he liked your post. I made a remark that I disagree just for VE himself because I was considering him as a mayor vote.

On February 28 2013 02:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
No one loves list posts. They have absolutely zero value to anyone but you, keep it in a notepad (out of the thread) until your thoughts are organized and only posts the information that is relevant to your case.

On February 28 2013 02:22 layabout wrote:

Blabber:I thought we had a 72 hour day 1 i had read the daypost more than once as friday not thursday sometimes my brain just does that. Also it seems that prom is being lynched whatever happens. So i wasn't as bothered about finding scum. My preference for mayor was Dr.h because there was a chance he might lynch jcarl and i wasn't sure about VE's campaign. I have also been trying to have more of a thread presence while i am here because over time i consolidated more and tended to lurk as both town and mafia. In fruity my last game if i hadn't been correct in pushing yamato i would have made a good lynch because of my lurking. I also was not the one able to push the lynch even though i put the most content up about him. I also tend to wait before commiting to reads because people don't have much time to post meanfully early on and i like to take my time to sort out my thoughts.

With regards to Prom, read his filter and tell me why it should be different if he is town, i feel like he has done what he should as town and thus does not deserve to be lynched.

Grush is there because i think he filter was a lot better in fruity and there are other players that look more towny than he does.

I defended you due to both the scumhunting point and the fact that i think your town, in part because of your reaction to the vivax analysis. I don't think i was clear enough when i talked about the lack of scumhunting initially but there isn't much i can do about it now.

On February 26 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote:


Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming.

On February 28 2013 02:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

i dont care who is pardoner or mayor as long as promethelax is lynched

On February 28 2013 03:28 Chezinu wrote:
At night, someone must be shoot. You cannot stop this. If you know you have uncontrollable problems. Please, contact your local doctor and have him protect you victims. Better yet, just let the whole thread know who to protect. It worked wonders in the last game I was in.

Lets talk about something interesting. Let's talk roles. There are a lot of possible guns in this wasteland. That means we need to expect a high mortality rate. However, to counterbalance this we have Docs and Armor. The one with the right equipment will be able to link strangers from far away. I must presume with the lack of guards that our protect is hidden. I propose a plan that my falter, but it could aid in our survival if successful. The protector found in 1-12 shall save the mayor. The other the Pardoner. Or perhaps the subjects for protection is up to debate. As the formation of DT check lists. If we plan ahead, our dreams of living tomorrow may prosper.