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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 04 2013 22:01 GMT
#3421
doc i mostly mean about the roleblock claim and that suggesting nonsense mafia actions mafia or scum aqua

geript if another player was acting the way you are are you seriously saying you wouldn't lynch them?
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2013 22:04 GMT
#3422
And trust me, I know that my play's been pretty bad this game. I've tried multiple times to correct that. But there's very little reason for you guys to expect a cornered animal to act anything like a cornered animal. As I said in the previous game when I defended warbaby, sometime you just need someone in your corner helping you be your best. While I appreciate Mocsta's attempts at that (aside: Sorry, bud I really treated you shitty. And yes, I still expect you to look into WoS), nothing was going to dissuade WF/BH. There's nothing I could've done at that point. So when you see that I've acted like a cornered animal, then you should consider that perhaps it's because I was treated like one. Does it excuse my play? No. Does it help the situation? No. I literally can barely type this because of how bad I'm shaking right now.

Mods. Please do not speed up the day as I fully intend to utilize that time to present my case on WoS whether or not the town wants to hear it. If you want to allow them to speed up the day, then you can make that decision as you want.
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
March 04 2013 22:12 GMT
#3423
I'll hear your case on WOS. Take your time.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
GreYMisT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States6736 Posts
March 04 2013 22:12 GMT
#3424
I will not speed up the current day, as it is already in progress. I will make the decision to shorten the days with the next night.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2013 22:13 GMT
#3425
On March 05 2013 07:01 layabout wrote:geript if another player was acting the way you are are you seriously saying you wouldn't lynch them?

I didn't say that at all and I don't mean that at all. And I'm not blaming you guys for wanting to lynch me OR for voting for me. I'm saying that how I would approach them going into the lynch would've been different. BH's N2 approach would've been perfectly fine had he been upfront about still wanting to lynch me. There's no reason to make it sound otherwise. You guys have (in general) actively or passively been keen to lynch me since what early-mid D2? Don't ask someone to invest into a game that they've already played terribly only to browbeat them for it at each attempt. I've been doing as well as I can to hold it together--and yes, I haven't held it together well at all--and yes, I've lashed out at points. You can still be aggressive in responding to an escalating person; I've done it countless times. But as I said in the previous post game, I find stepping off the gas to be far more effective at reading people than gunning it up to 60.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 04 2013 22:37 GMT
#3426
On March 05 2013 01:00 Vivax wrote:
I won't focus much any more on this game tbh lessons restarted today and I've got a few other games starting soon. Most of the work here has been done so I feel free to drop my attention on this game.

On March 05 2013 06:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I hate to say it but my interest level in this game has dropped to basically 0. Has nothing to do with lack of effort from the moderators, but when town goes 3 in a row and no one is really taking hard stances I don't know what to contribute. We've already won so anything I do now just feels like going through the motions.

QFT
On March 05 2013 02:41 geript wrote:
So WF a few questions, how does Aqua look when I flip town?

Even worse :/

Bah... look, with a new day I've reexamined my actual read of Geript (as opposed to the position of defending him which I got backed into by my own stupidity) and found it is mostly doubts, either way. That vote on Vivax is truly awful and has shaken what remains of my townread rather a lot.

Given his play for the last day or two and the number of mislynches we have I think we all need to see a flip here, for better or for worse. I haven't been able to find a case that convinces me any more than this anywhere else and so:

##Vote: Geript
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 04 2013 22:39 GMT
#3427
I am fully aware of how terrible that makes me look and fully aware that you'll probably be obliged to lynch me at some point - if nothing else, to know that the roleblock today actually happened.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 04 2013 22:48 GMT
#3428
On March 05 2013 06:45 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2013 06:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
There is absolutely plenty you could have done and said to change peoples minds. I feel 100% comfortable in saying that vets looking in and watching on this game would agree with me.

I'm going to go ahead and put all the internet points on a big fat no to that. Perhaps you should count how many people and how many times people flat out said I was the next sure lynch even before Chez had flipped. Trust me, my play was pretty bad this game but it's not all my fault. Hell, most of this D3 is literally because WF asked me to spend time and reinvest in the game with the sole intention of me still being lynched. Why should I do that? Why would my reads matter? Nope, it would've been far better for everyone involved if you guys had just move discussion on and lynched me.

Because if you're going to flip town, it will help us win. Dead townies still win the game with the rest of the town.

It's rare that you see townies give up so easily. Generally, only scum are that frustrated. You had already voted for yourself on Day 2 when you weren't even that close to getting lynched. You absolutely could have done a lot and chose not to. That's on you. Because of that, things have snowballed out of control to a point that I don't think anybody is going to consider letting you live any longer but that doesn't happen to town who play well.
RIP Aaliyah
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 04 2013 22:56 GMT
#3429
Milksuckler: thank you for saying what I've wanted to say. It means more coming out of someone else's mouth.

To reiterate, why would I (as scum) defend Chez so hard when he was all but dead? I truly thought he would flip green, and I was (obviously) wrong.

But if it will ease everyone's minds, by all means, kill me tomorrow. It's not like we don't have people to spare. My death should be fun AND informative!
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 04 2013 22:57 GMT
#3430
Because when scum has its back against the wall, coming up on a second lynch in a row they'll try anything I'd think.

I remember a game when I asked scum to bus me cause I was gonna die anyway and they just kept defending me anything. WIFOM.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 04 2013 22:58 GMT
#3431
*anyway
RIP Aaliyah
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 04 2013 22:58 GMT
#3432
And of the list of people who voted for Chez who also voted a candidate that would not be killing Prom, geript is the only one.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 04 2013 23:00 GMT
#3433
Doc can I ask you a serious question? Do you have any intention of reading my filter for my reads or thoughts? Do you really expect anyone else do to that after the game I've played?
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 04 2013 23:03 GMT
#3434
On March 05 2013 07:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Because when scum has its back against the wall, coming up on a second lynch in a row they'll try anything I'd think.

I remember a game when I asked scum to bus me cause I was gonna die anyway and they just kept defending me anything. WIFOM.


And I mean, I get that. But yeah, it's super WIFOM.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 04 2013 23:12 GMT
#3435
On March 05 2013 08:00 geript wrote:
Doc can I ask you a serious question? Do you have any intention of reading my filter for my reads or thoughts? Do you really expect anyone else do to that after the game I've played?

I did that on Day 2 when I voted for you and nothing has changed.
RIP Aaliyah
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 04 2013 23:28 GMT
#3436
Best outcome of this cycle is grey mist agreeing to shorter cycles once this one finishes.

Let us rejoice.

Geript. Plenty of town rage quit. The problem in my opinion is that u came back after a short period of time.

However. I am swapping my vote to aquanim.

Geript frustration is reading with true conviction to me. I don't think it is of being a shit scum player...yes, I have been swayed by emotion.
Have we all not been `lost` in previous games?
I think geript play is a classic example of a guy underestimating the skill and reputation some players have and was on the back foot from his first post.


As for aqua. His martyr request for the role block simply does not bode well for me. His constant requirement to be coached does not bode well for me. His lack of genuine scum reads does not bode well for me. Sticking with guys like OO or hassybaby isn't redefining scum hunting by any means.

For all those fuckers that want to say I'm sticking up for a scum buddy. Go fuck your self and make a case on me, otherwise please read the above and determine whether your thoughts are that tunneled on geript to consider his emotional plea to be purely that of scum.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 04 2013 23:29 GMT
#3437
aqua is still a better lynch
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MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 04 2013 23:31 GMT
#3438
Lol I assume we are in sync..and that wasn't a reply to me
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 04 2013 23:34 GMT
#3439
it wasn't i'm a bit miffed about ppl ignoring him in general but i can't really do much about it
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MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 04 2013 23:40 GMT
#3440
Well unfortunately he responds in a manner difficult to respond to.

The thing is he has been consistent in this approach all game. Suggesting a player tilted from the when his mayor campaign was insta-rejected.

If scum, I would expect even novice level to change gears and try to save themselves.

Not geript.

He still chooses to be a bulldozer with an undersized engine.

I think that is much more synonymous with bad town play than shore scum play.


Again look at aquanim and his approach to entering all lynches. This guy loves Beijing the critical thinker when town and putting down all others who are impulsive and obnoxious, if he thinks you`re not contributing... He tells y.

There is none of that this game except for an rb which has no basis.
Lynch aquanim
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