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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 19:20 GMT
#2901
geript if two people independently arrive at the same reads don't you think that suggests they have the same mindset/outlook?

i.e. they are both thinking like town.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 02 2013 19:21 GMT
#2902
So if two people arrive at different reads does that make one of them not town?
No, scum can 'arrive' to the same reads as town. Crazy talk I know right...
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 19:25 GMT
#2903
On March 03 2013 04:21 geript wrote:
So if two people arrive at different reads does that make one of them not town?
No, scum can 'arrive' to the same reads as town. Crazy talk I know right...

Different read means different perspective, there is a whole range that players can have, but players with the same one are more likely to share alignment, i wasn't talking in absolutes so don't try to misrepresent my point then shoot it down.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 02 2013 19:30 GMT
#2904
Going by that argument, you're saying that everyone who called out prome at any point is more likely to be town? Nope, this is complete and utter bullshit logic. This is the logic behind the reason for busses anyways.
"Oh we were totally on the same page about Prome/Geript/whoever else. That must mean that we're all on the same side." I'm going to go ahead and say that this is the absolute dumbest logic I've seen employed ever in a game.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 02 2013 19:32 GMT
#2905
Following through with that, If you saying that people with the same reads are more likely to share the same side, then you're making the argument that people with different reads are more likely to NOT share the same side. That's just simple. So why wouldn't you absolutely attack anyone who doesn't share your early reads? Nope, this is a complete waste.
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
March 02 2013 19:41 GMT
#2906
On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote:
Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez

RandomBum

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote:
Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though.

?Chezinu?

What happened to Jcarlsoniv?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=120#2388


I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 02 2013 19:46 GMT
#2907
On March 03 2013 04:41 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 00:02 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 02 2013 19:31 randombum wrote:
Chez is looking very scummy looking at this point. Although the set-up speculation is giving me doubts. Still, I would be happy to see him lynched. vote chez

RandomBum

On March 01 2013 13:46 randombum wrote:
Going to wait on the aftermath of the day vig before really committing to anything though.

?Chezinu?

What happened to Jcarlsoniv?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=120#2388


I still don't like him. In fact I've felt worse about him after he responded. I pointed out some thing I dislike as a scum behavior and his response was to get over it. However, there's like 8 lurkers on chez and I don't think I'll be swaying the town over from a very scummy looking chez that everybody already agrees on.

His play recently looks like real standard scum.
Hard defends Chez, possible scumbuddy, randomly asks questions to a whole bunch of people ABOUT a whole bunch of people, a LOT of game-theory posts without adding anything particularly useful, no cases of his own (except for one on JJ which he promptly drops), no providing his own leads.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 02 2013 19:47 GMT
#2908
On March 03 2013 04:15 geript wrote:
Funny, no vet circle jerk? You seem quite fine dismissing any point made by a non-vet. Other than the "obvious" Prom case, you haven't even considered that other vets could be scum/3rd party. You're not concerned with that at all. You're total scum.

Toades was a vet and I tunneled him...
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 02 2013 19:48 GMT
#2909
BC is the only vet in this game I respect and he flipped town so really you're just whining
RIP Aaliyah
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 20:10 GMT
#2910
Was my post unclear or is geript just being deliberately "dense".
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 02 2013 20:16 GMT
#2911
Your point is that people who have the same reads are more likely to share the same perspective and therefore more likely to share the Same alignment. This assumes that scum/3rd party can't attack from town perspective or in the least is unlikely to. Isn't the point of scum to be more 'towny' than town and aggressively punish bad town?

Nope, you're logic is bad. It completely ignores the fact that people can come to the same reads from different perspectives. It's just bad.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 20:24 GMT
#2912
you must be scum since there is no way your stupid enough to have played like this as town.

it's also pretty reasonable to assume that scum are less likely to push a protown agenda.
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TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 02 2013 20:39 GMT
#2913
Layabout, what are trying to get done with this argument with geript? Did you see him as scummy before it? I'm trying to follow your reasoning and having trouble.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7464 Posts
March 02 2013 20:45 GMT
#2914
On February 26 2013 09:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Color me shocked, someone's ready to vote Chezinu before Chezniu even posts.


Why summon me and then disappear when I show up? Why summon me and then want to lynch me? What type of gamer are you? You just spawned me for the xp and cheznos didn't you?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7464 Posts
March 02 2013 20:48 GMT
#2915
On March 03 2013 05:39 TestSubject893 wrote:
Layabout, what are trying to get done with this argument with geript? Did you see him as scummy before it? I'm trying to follow your reasoning and having trouble.

I was thinking the same thing. He doesn't put his vote where is mouth is. I started thinking, why would mafia want to get killed in my place. It doesn't make sense. Then I thought, why would a town... doesn't make sense. Then third party... doesn't make sense. So, I am assuming the use of reverse psychology back firing.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 20:50 GMT
#2916
I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.

Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 20:51 GMT
#2917
There is no reason to lynch geript before chezinu, since chez is confirmed not 3rd party.
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
March 02 2013 20:53 GMT
#2918
Ok guys i'm very sorry but weekends are always a busy time for me.
I'll vote geript right now, rather have him lynched then Chez tonight. For reason just look at my last post. Still stand by that.

I'll try to be here before the deadline, but cant promise.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 02 2013 20:54 GMT
#2919
On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote:
I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.

Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum.


The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7464 Posts
March 02 2013 20:56 GMT
#2920
On March 03 2013 05:51 layabout wrote:
There is no reason to lynch geript before chezinu, since chez is confirmed not 3rd party.

I would say third party is the number one target for town to kill as I mentioned earlier. You do not want the bartender living too long. The longer he lives, the more lively the town will burn. The goal of the third party is to live as long as possible. If you want to live, you don't go off shooting, martyring, or burning people early in the game. You want to save your actions to the last second. And BOOOM!!! everyone around you burns. Atleast.. that's what I would do. It makes the game interesting..
lol, clueless in The Prism!
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