EPTif jj is scum roleblocker who rb'd toades then the town rb who jailed vivax would still counterclaim so i dont think jj is lying
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
if jj is scum roleblocker who rb'd toades then the town rb who jailed vivax would still counterclaim so i dont think jj is lying | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote: so jj being scum depends on vivax lying about the roleblock if jj is scum roleblocker who rb'd toades then the town rb who jailed vivax would still counterclaim so i dont think jj is lying Yeah but using that logic, town day-vig woulda come out I find it odd though that scum vig & scum day-vig would choose to expose themselves. | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:03 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I actually wondered about that bit too, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and let him clarify before I call it a scumslip. And you because you were there with geript pushing doubt and nothing else on Day 1 Prom Lynch and you're playing very scared and hesitant. Problem with mafia game is differentiating new and scared town from mafia can be pretty hard so I'd hope you start putting some pep in your step and show some initiative here. Show me where I pushed doubt on the Prom lynch. I questioned his reasoning before he decided to practically claim scum, and never once said I didn't want him lynched. I'm playing "hesitant" because my scummiest reads are the people already set to be lynched. I've pretty well proven that I'm not as good at communicating my reasoning as others in this game, and its clear to me that I don't have close to the same amount of time to spend filter diving and otherwise analyzing this game compared to other productive townies. When I have input, I give it to you, and its been made clear that when my input isn't helpful, its in the town's best interest for me to keep my mouth shut. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red. I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead). Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today. ##unvote ##vote Geript | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:12 TestSubject893 wrote: and its been made clear that when my input isn't helpful, its in the town's best interest for me to keep my mouth shut. Sorry if I made you feel this way.. its just.. theres a difference between saying "hey guys, what do you think of these points" & "hey.. i filter dived.. made a case and came up with no conclusion" what I am trying to say is.. if you filter dived, and ended up null... surely there must be some sort of question you can ask that will make you swing red or green.. ask it.. that is a useful contribution (in my opinion) | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
For all doubters of Geript http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=143#2858 This perfectly timed de-lurk is about as good a scum claim as promes "c-ya l8a" post. Vote Geript | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
If anyone wants proof Geript is scum/3rd party go look at his town filter from the last newbie mafia. It couldn't be more different, I usually hate meta reads but this one is nothing but net | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote: and @TestSubject, go read Ver's guide, go look at some good townplay in other threads, there's always aggression. I've relentlessly attacked people I didn't have strong reads are because it forces me to come to a conclusion based on their responses. Look how hard I grilled WoS early in this game on more or less one/two sentences. He responded well and that null/unsure read got pushed into a town read. You have to push your null reads so they swing one way or the other, if you just sit on a null read then you're not ever going to have an opinion. Ok, I'll read the guide. The fear I have with pushing null reads is that if they turn out to be town it makes me look scummy, and wastes the town's time by making them go after me next. For example, early in this game, when my read on you was null and I pointed that out. You've had me pegged as scummy ever since. | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:32 TestSubject893 wrote: Ok, I'll read the guide. The fear I have with pushing null reads is that if they turn out to be town it makes me look scummy, and wastes the town's time by making them go after me next. For example, early in this game, when my read on you was null and I pointed that out. You've had me pegged as scummy ever since. Who hasn't he had pegged as scummy at one point or another. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote: I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red. Lets chat about this a bit more Jcarl. I noticed in your filter the prime reason for defending Chez, is you can't see reason for him to have fired (primarily because you dont think he would have been scared of Wade Fells case/push to rush the shot) This is all WIFOM though? And in my opinion the (valid) case on Chez was before the shot was fired anyways, the case is built on meta, and activity in game. You seem to agree: On March 01 2013 11:45 jcarlsoniv wrote: @Wade Fell: Your case is reasonable. However, it is still early in the day, and I want to hear from JJ. Do you believe the day-vig shot WIFOM is strong enough to throw the original meta case/argument out the window? | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:33 geript wrote: Who hasn't he had pegged as scummy at one point or another. LOl Nice De-lurk #2.. ties in with On March 03 2013 00:14 MilkSuckler wrote: [Geript] he just has this habit of releasing emotionally charged grenades at his "scum targets". | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:32 TestSubject893 wrote: Ok, I'll read the guide. The fear I have with pushing null reads is that if they turn out to be town it makes me look scummy, and wastes the town's time by making them go after me next. For example, early in this game, when my read on you was null and I pointed that out. You've had me pegged as scummy ever since. Being wrong isn't scummy, pressuring someone you later decide is town isn't scummy it's all about how you do it and what your intentions are if you pressured someone, they explained themselves well and knocked down your points against them and you still kept calling them scum, that would be scummy. it's ok to change your mind. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Being wrong isn't scummy, pressuring someone you later decide is town isn't scummy it's all about how you do it and what your intentions are if you pressured someone, they explained themselves well and knocked down your points against them and you still kept calling them scum, that would be scummy. it's ok to change your mind. Yeppo +1 I had a massive town read on Dr.H all game.. but when he does stuff I dont like, I still ask him for reasoning behind those actions. Anyways, night guys, 6HRS to deadline.. VOTE GERIPT | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 03 2013 02:35 MilkSuckler wrote: Lets chat about this a bit more Jcarl. I noticed in your filter the prime reason for defending Chez, is you can't see reason for him to have fired (primarily because you dont think he would have been scared of Wade Fells case/push to rush the shot) This is all WIFOM though? And in my opinion the (valid) case on Chez was before the shot was fired anyways, the case is built on meta, and activity in game. You seem to agree: Do you believe the day-vig shot WIFOM is strong enough to throw the original meta case/argument out the window? I think the WIFOM, included with a bandwagon that is only being resisted by me, is strong enough to keep my vote off of him. I realize it's more than likely that he's going to get lynched, but I will take no part in it. | ||
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Vivax
22317 Posts
You said earlier that you'd believe chez to be likely town if he remained uncounterclaimed all the while pushing toad until he got modkilled. Now you seem reluctant to defend chez and act insecure and confused about him although grush fakeclaimed, i would like you to expand on that. Cause if that's the case then a chez red flip would make you likely mafia for what you did. I should be back in time around deadline to post properly. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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geript
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On March 03 2013 03:15 geript wrote: For those of you who are taking my previous town meta into play, I want you to ask yourself one question: "How many of those posts do you think I got coaching on?" idk why not tell us | ||
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