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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 02 2013 18:31 GMT
#2881
On March 03 2013 03:15 geript wrote:
For those of you who are taking my previous town meta into play, I want you to ask yourself one question: "How many of those posts do you think I got coaching on?"

So you would completely abandon everything you learned?
RIP Aaliyah
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 02 2013 18:37 GMT
#2882
I've been pushing for who I thought was the most scum at the time as I could. If you don't like that then you know where you can go. In the least by martyring myself I'll at least partially achieve my goal of doing as much to discredit the you, WoS, Moc and BH. I don't trust any of you.

You bring up my game meta, yet still haven't answered how Mocsta's playing different from his meta. You're indifferent all over the place. You're more than happy to give out your town reads yet don't give a damn about anyone else's and attack Prome for being focused on town reads.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 02 2013 18:39 GMT
#2883
lol i never attacked prome for being focused on town reads, what
RIP Aaliyah
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 02 2013 18:39 GMT
#2884
On March 03 2013 02:08 MilkSuckler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote:
On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:
No bites? Lets try again

On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript

I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations.

The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot.

Geript, no idea what role he possesses.

@ALL

Thoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript?


I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.




On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever.

You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling.

I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed.


I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip.


Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm.

LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique

Nice DE-LURK

i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game

This.
And for the record geript still hasn't responded to my earlier case on him where he says he 'still believed VE was talking about him.' That kind of stubbornness in the face of overwhelming proof is just ridiculous.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 02 2013 18:42 GMT
#2885
You haven't pushed. You FoS'd WaveofShadow and me and VE but never tried to convince anyone to lynch. You're voting for yourself instead of me.

You still have nothing to say to the fact that your case was tied together by a scumslip that doesn't exist. If that was the reason you thought I was scum, why do you still think so after I cut that down? Mocsta is Milk Suckler? I don't have a scumread on him so I'm not going to go dive through his metagame just because you asked me to. Why would I give a damn about someone elses town reads or why would anybody?

If your focus is discrediting us instead of pushing for the lynch of people who you think are scum - you are not playing like a townie. Period. You admit that's your goal. Not to lynch scum. But to discredit us. In your last game you say after your death that all that matters is lynching scum. You're scum.
RIP Aaliyah
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 02 2013 18:42 GMT
#2886
And DrH I brought up the meta points regarding geript before and he defended himself using RL without explaining himself further.

On March 01 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 04:54 geript wrote:
On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here.

It's still in the works. I will unveil it when I feel like it's strong enough to bring. As the last game pointed out, association cases aren't strong enough to merit things on their own especially without a flip on either of you. And no, I haven't yet revealed why I was making an association case on you two so you can feel free to believe whatever you like.

On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end.

But how does that make me scum?

On the Meta case:
If you knew what my IRL was right now you'd understand. Here's a hit. My brother's in the DR; his pregnant wife and 2 daughters (4,2) are at my place currently; I'm in Nursing School full time while still working 40hrs a week. I'm doing all of that and playing this game. So my day involves 3-4 hours of sleep; 2-3 hours of babysitting, 4-8 hours of class and 4-8 hours of work.

It makes you scum because you've been calling frantically for a vig shot waste and a mayor kill for ages with very little to go on. I admitted that part of your case has merit but I explained my thoughts on that. The rest is just useless.

As far as the meta explanation, what is DR? And yeah, I get that RL is an issue; the only times I can contribute are during downtime at school or when my 2-month old kid is asleep (read: rarely), but I have been contributing nonetheless. Why would you sign up then if you have no time to make meaningful contributions? (I'm also unsure if you're trying to excuse your play this game or last game; I'm assuming you mean this game, but you contributed more often this game in a shorter amount of time {D1}, the posts are just crappier).



Why does no one pay attention to my cases.
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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 02 2013 18:44 GMT
#2887
On March 03 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 02:08 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote:
On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:
No bites? Lets try again

On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript

I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations.

The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot.

Geript, no idea what role he possesses.

@ALL

Thoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript?


I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.




On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever.

You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling.

I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed.


I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip.


Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm.

LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique

Nice DE-LURK

i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game

This.
And for the record geript still hasn't responded to my earlier case on him where he says he 'still believed VE was talking about him.' That kind of stubbornness in the face of overwhelming proof is just ridiculous.

Looking at last game, townie geript would be curious about understanding your reasoning and probably fall back when coming into new information. Any townie would. Geript isn't doing that.

When he actually pointed out the one thing about me that would be a reasonable argument (it's untrue, but if he really thinks I'm a liar stealing pardoner he should have been pushing me yesterday) he then comes out and says I've been saying a lot of stuff that makes him think I'm town but can't say what it is. Now he's completely unwilling to listen to anything I have to say. This all happened after a PROVEN NONEXISTENT SCUMSLIP that he refuses to acknowledge right now. There is no way Geript is town.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 02 2013 18:44 GMT
#2888
On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
And DrH I brought up the meta points regarding geript before and he defended himself using RL without explaining himself further.

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 01 2013 04:54 geript wrote:
On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Now aside from switching his tunnel on me real quick, association case on Vivax? What exactly happened to that? Is he still waiting for me to flip? Where does he even talk after this point about Vivax at all? He's basing this all on the fact that both Vivax and I commented on his shit logic here.

It's still in the works. I will unveil it when I feel like it's strong enough to bring. As the last game pointed out, association cases aren't strong enough to merit things on their own especially without a flip on either of you. And no, I haven't yet revealed why I was making an association case on you two so you can feel free to believe whatever you like.

On March 01 2013 04:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE states it himself: Geript looks like he is grasping SO HARD to find something wrong with VE, when in reality he's looking in the wrong place. VE never lied about his intentions at all, rather its his behaviour which makes VE not look so great at times and his ragey raging at the end of D1...but instead Geript tunnels him on lying. VE has defended himself on the 'lying' aspect adequately, I feel. I'll get to this in my analysis of his most recent case at the end.

But how does that make me scum?

On the Meta case:
If you knew what my IRL was right now you'd understand. Here's a hit. My brother's in the DR; his pregnant wife and 2 daughters (4,2) are at my place currently; I'm in Nursing School full time while still working 40hrs a week. I'm doing all of that and playing this game. So my day involves 3-4 hours of sleep; 2-3 hours of babysitting, 4-8 hours of class and 4-8 hours of work.

It makes you scum because you've been calling frantically for a vig shot waste and a mayor kill for ages with very little to go on. I admitted that part of your case has merit but I explained my thoughts on that. The rest is just useless.

As far as the meta explanation, what is DR? And yeah, I get that RL is an issue; the only times I can contribute are during downtime at school or when my 2-month old kid is asleep (read: rarely), but I have been contributing nonetheless. Why would you sign up then if you have no time to make meaningful contributions? (I'm also unsure if you're trying to excuse your play this game or last game; I'm assuming you mean this game, but you contributed more often this game in a shorter amount of time {D1}, the posts are just crappier).



Why does no one pay attention to my cases.


Because I don't have time to read someones filter from a previous game while I'm at work
RIP Aaliyah
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 02 2013 18:50 GMT
#2889
On March 03 2013 03:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 03 2013 02:08 MilkSuckler wrote:
On March 03 2013 02:07 geript wrote:
On March 03 2013 01:59 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 03 2013 01:46 MilkSuckler wrote:
No bites? Lets try again

On March 03 2013 00:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
lol it's just so different i mean i'd really rather lynch geript

I am happy to lynch Chezinu/Geript over consecutive cycles, as the cases are not associations.

The reason I would lynch Geript > Chezinu, is because: Chezinu already used his day-vig shot.

Geript, no idea what role he possesses.

@ALL

Thoughts? - Vote exodus to Geript?


I could get on board with that. I guess the questions are 'are Chez and Geript both so scummy that at this point there is no way either avoids being lynched?', and 'can we assure enough votes get to geript that we don't accidentally no-lynch from neither having 11?'. I'd answer the former with yes, and the latter with I don't know.




On March 02 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
On March 02 2013 15:46 geript wrote:
If this were a ragequit, then I'd stop reading the thread. The only way I see that I can push my reads at this point is to get lynched. The only time it's useful to the town, in my view, is if I get lynched today. I'm concerned that the vig won't consider attacking me at night for fear that I'm the armorer or whatever.

You're not even going to attempt to defend your shit logic? What exactly would a flip on you prove? We've already had flips on people you've been fingering all game and boy oh BOY have THEY been telling.

I'm honestly just wondering how you're going to justify all of your tells throughout the game to yourself in the postgame. I'm really looking forward to it. Especially if your lynch in some who-the-fuck-knows-how way gets me killed.


I'm reading this as if WoS knows for sure that geript's alignment is town. Am I misreading it? WoS doesn't seem scummy to me, but this looks like a scumslip.


Hmmm That does look like a complete slip. Only people who have to defend their reads are town. I'm fingering 2 people WoS and Dr. Hmmmmmmm.

LOL.. i didnt treat it as a scum slip.. perhaps I am unique

Nice DE-LURK

i treated it as in.. your pushing WoS hard. and he was basically saying.. im town, your gonna look like an idiot post-game

This.
And for the record geript still hasn't responded to my earlier case on him where he says he 'still believed VE was talking about him.' That kind of stubbornness in the face of overwhelming proof is just ridiculous.

Looking at last game, townie geript would be curious about understanding your reasoning and probably fall back when coming into new information. Any townie would. Geript isn't doing that.

When he actually pointed out the one thing about me that would be a reasonable argument (it's untrue, but if he really thinks I'm a liar stealing pardoner he should have been pushing me yesterday) he then comes out and says I've been saying a lot of stuff that makes him think I'm town but can't say what it is. Now he's completely unwilling to listen to anything I have to say. This all happened after a PROVEN NONEXISTENT SCUMSLIP that he refuses to acknowledge right now. There is no way Geript is town.


I still kind of want to move the discussion on, but now it seems there might be a chance geript gets lynched today rather than Chez? I'd love to see both of them die anyway but to me it still seems as though Chez is more important, unless you count the fact that we've been talking about them all damn day, and Geript somehow manages to steer the discussion towards himself constantly to prevent useful discussion of anything else. He's not getting any scummier folks; time to make a decision one way or the other so we know where we stand.

Mocsta, geript does bring up a point that he referred to your play being different D1. I agree with him actually, it certainly does look as you were disguising your play (obviously, I suppose, you're smurfing) but you dropped it near the end of day one before your smurf-slip. The thing ISSSSSS......(and I don't really like the idea of meta cases either, especially on someone more experienced) your play this game now seems much closer to yours last game where you were scum.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 02 2013 18:50 GMT
#2890
On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does no one pay attention to my cases.

Because some people are more focused on jerking each other off and picking on newbies than anything else. I can't wait until I get to be a vig, I'm only going to shoot out of spite.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 02 2013 18:55 GMT
#2891
On March 03 2013 03:50 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does no one pay attention to my cases.

Because some people are more focused on jerking each other off and picking on newbies than anything else. I can't wait until I get to be a vig, I'm only going to shoot out of spite.

Geript, this is a personal plea to you, regardless of alignment.
If you so believe that this is how people are treating you, PROVE THEM OTHERWISE. You're not doing very much to lift suspicion on yourself (and don't say you can't, because it's definitely possible, you've just given up) and it has nothing to do with the fact that you're new. I'm new as well and every time people bring up points regarding me I do my best to explain and/or defend them as well as coming up with more reads.

Now I have nothing against you personally, but I think your play is extremely scummy. I have explained why. Unless you are some third-party role or there is some crazy plan that explains all this, martyring yourself as it currently stands isn't going to mean all that much. Play the game to get better, don't give up.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 18:58 GMT
#2892
When i have got food and stuff i will try to make a more thorough post but the fact that geript is openly using the fact that he is new and "bad" is concerning to me.

His rough position during day 1 was that he wanted to be mayor he thought WoS was scum and that he didn't want drh to become pardoner. Isn't is strange that his position hasn't really changed? Whilst there have been several flips shootings and an excessive number of posts for him to take in and make judgements with at the start of day2 after chezinu started to gather votes he sticks his vote on WoS. But the last time he gave reasons for Wos being scum was on Feb 26!* He doesn't even try to get WoS lynched and yet he throws his vote unannouced in the voting thread. If he was town then he had basically decided to give up and that was before he was under pressure and started martyring.

He also finally decides to call Dr.h scum but it's based off of an alleged and very weak "scumslip" that isn't a scumslip at all.

Frankly i feel like he wanted to discredit Dr.h and picked WoS so that he could say he was scumhunting.
+ Show Spoiler [*] +
although he does interact with him


We should lynch geript. But we should do it tomorrow.

I think we have scum in chezinu so i am wary of a switch. Since chezinu cannot use his power again killing geript could be more beneficial if he does flip scum since he might have a role. But what if he flips 3rd party? We know chezinu cannot be 3rd party and if we kill scum they will lose KP. Because of this i don't think switching is worth the risk.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 19:00 GMT
#2893
Btw if a thread has not been posted in for (i think it's 4 hours) then the folder by it turns from red to yellow. It's absurd that it would happen in this game.
On March 02 2013 23:41 layabout wrote:
why the hell is a 142 day2 thread in the yellow?

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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 02 2013 19:01 GMT
#2894
Nope, wrong. If you think I'm scum, I've already pointed out that you should kill me today then.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 02 2013 19:01 GMT
#2895
On March 03 2013 04:00 layabout wrote:
Btw if a thread has not been posted in for (i think it's 4 hours) then the folder by it turns from red to yellow. It's absurd that it would happen in this game.
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 23:41 layabout wrote:
why the hell is a 142 day2 thread in the yellow?


Hence the complaining last night that the atmosphere was abysmal. I think it was like 3-4 people for 8 hours+
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 02 2013 19:03 GMT
#2896
On March 03 2013 04:01 geript wrote:
Nope, wrong. If you think I'm scum, I've already pointed out that you should kill me today then.

Alright, your attitude has been made very clear.
I'm not going to get baited however and
1) my vote is staying on Chez for today, and
2) I think discussion needs to be moved off of geript one way or the other. People need to decide so we can move on, please.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 02 2013 19:10 GMT
#2897
On March 03 2013 03:50 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 03:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why does no one pay attention to my cases.

Because some people are more focused on jerking each other off and picking on newbies than anything else. I can't wait until I get to be a vig, I'm only going to shoot out of spite.

That's hardly happening in this game. Accusing you is not "picking on you". You can be spiteful or if you are town you could take it as a signal and try to keep improving your play. If you're going to keep playing mafia games just to spite people because you're bitter then I'll head right over to the banlist thread and argue until I'm blue that you're never allowed to play a game here again. How childish is that?

This is actually pretty low on vet arrogance, you should see Ace play
RIP Aaliyah
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 19:14 GMT
#2898
geript if dr.h is scum why did Vayesh(bc) who we know is town and Dr.h have nearly identical reads?
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 02 2013 19:15 GMT
#2899
Funny, no vet circle jerk? You seem quite fine dismissing any point made by a non-vet. Other than the "obvious" Prom case, you haven't even considered that other vets could be scum/3rd party. You're not concerned with that at all. You're total scum.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
March 02 2013 19:17 GMT
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On March 03 2013 04:14 layabout wrote:
geript if dr.h is scum why did Vayesh(bc) who we know is town and Dr.h have nearly identical reads?

Why did he and VE, who we know is town, have some different reads? That's a retarded question.
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