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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 21:09 GMT
#2921
On March 03 2013 05:54 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote:
I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.

Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum.


The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred.

I don't need towncred, there are only 3 ppl in the game that might look townier than me.

And asking someone what they think is not attacking them, calling them scum or insulting them is attacking them.

When it comes to mafiavs3rd party if we kill mafia it reduces the number of KP each night by 1 guaranteed. A bartender can at most do this by only choosing to mark targets. A mutant is less likely and in any case our jailer is outed and our medic was modkilled so the KP is only as dangerous as mafias. 3rd party can also kill mafia. Mafia flipping is also more useful in terms of information.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
March 02 2013 21:18 GMT
#2922
On March 03 2013 06:09 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 05:54 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote:
I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.

Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum.


The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred.

I don't need towncred, there are only 3 ppl in the game that might look townier than me.

And asking someone what they think is not attacking them, calling them scum or insulting them is attacking them.

When it comes to mafiavs3rd party if we kill mafia it reduces the number of KP each night by 1 guaranteed. A bartender can at most do this by only choosing to mark targets. A mutant is less likely and in any case our jailer is outed and our medic was modkilled so the KP is only as dangerous as mafias. 3rd party can also kill mafia. Mafia flipping is also more useful in terms of information.

ah, your right. So if someone burns earlier, could that mean the bartender is scared of getting lynched? or is he setting up a trap to make town think he is about to get lynch so they keep biggest suspects.. yeah... this logic is going in circles..

So, it only makes sense to lynch him over me (if you think I'm mafia) only if he is mafia. I get your logic now.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
March 02 2013 21:23 GMT
#2923
On March 03 2013 05:54 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote:
I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.

Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum.


The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred.

I think any argument towards Geript at this point is completely useless at this point considering he's not actively trying to defend himself; rather he picks and chooses what he's going to ignore and what he's going to respond to and whether he feels on acting martyr-y at the moment.

According to ME, (since we didn't have a vote count too recently), Vote count is 13 for Chez and 6 for Geript right now, so that does not make him likely To get lynched in ~2.5 hours(?) At least I hope not; as I've stated before I really just don't feel like giving him what he appears to want. If he really wants to be lynched that badly he can wait a day. Chez is more important in my eyes; I don't care what Geript flips as much as I do Chez.
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
March 02 2013 21:28 GMT
#2924
On March 03 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 05:54 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote:
I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.

Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum.


The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred.

I think any argument towards Geript at this point is completely useless at this point considering he's not actively trying to defend himself; rather he picks and chooses what he's going to ignore and what he's going to respond to and whether he feels on acting martyr-y at the moment.

According to ME, (since we didn't have a vote count too recently), Vote count is 13 for Chez and 6 for Geript right now, so that does not make him likely To get lynched in ~2.5 hours(?) At least I hope not; as I've stated before I really just don't feel like giving him what he appears to want. If he really wants to be lynched that badly he can wait a day. Chez is more important in my eyes; I don't care what Geript flips as much as I do Chez.

Actually, it is plenty of time. I have seen town switch bandwagons twice in less than an hour to lynch mafia. was on one town then another then switched again to mafia. Oh, and don't underestimate the signals and invisible waves. I'm just a ploy to draw people out. or to find those who stay in hiding.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 02 2013 21:33 GMT
#2925
On March 03 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 05:54 TestSubject893 wrote:
On March 03 2013 05:50 layabout wrote:
I wasn't trying to have an argument, i was trying to give one of many reasons that i think Dr.h is town and see what geript thought of it since he has basically defaulted to "dr.h is scum no fu i am not scum! go on and lynch me then". He just responded by attacking me like somebody has told him to shit up the thread since he is getting lynched tomorrow.

Before today i wrote him off as as a crazy newbie, but i can no longer feel i can justify why that would be the case. He is very likely scum.


The whole thing just struck me as WIFOMy and honestly, I agreed with geript more than you on it (although it had no bearing on my view of his alignment). It looked like you were just trying to attack him for the sake of attacking him. I don't see much point in doing that since he's already highly likely to get lynched tomorrow, unless you're just looking for easy town cred.

I think any argument towards Geript at this point is completely useless at this point considering he's not actively trying to defend himself; rather he picks and chooses what he's going to ignore and what he's going to respond to and whether he feels on acting martyr-y at the moment.

According to ME, (since we didn't have a vote count too recently), Vote count is 13 for Chez and 6 for Geript right now, so that does not make him likely To get lynched in ~2.5 hours(?) At least I hope not; as I've stated before I really just don't feel like giving him what he appears to want. If he really wants to be lynched that badly he can wait a day. Chez is more important in my eyes; I don't care what Geript flips as much as I do Chez.


That's why I said tomorrow. Like Day 3. Not RL tomorrow, in game tomorrow.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 02 2013 21:45 GMT
#2926
On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Morning gents.

I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red.

I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead).

Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today.

##unvote
##vote Geript


hellow scum #3
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 02 2013 21:47 GMT
#2927
On March 03 2013 03:37 geript wrote:
I've been pushing for who I thought was the most scum at the time as I could. If you don't like that then you know where you can go. In the least by martyring myself I'll at least partially achieve my goal of doing as much to discredit the you, WoS, Moc and BH. I don't trust any of you.

You bring up my game meta, yet still haven't answered how Mocsta's playing different from his meta. You're indifferent all over the place. You're more than happy to give out your town reads yet don't give a damn about anyone else's and attack Prome for being focused on town reads.


scum #2
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 02 2013 21:50 GMT
#2928
On March 03 2013 05:53 glurio wrote:
Ok guys i'm very sorry but weekends are always a busy time for me.
I'll vote geript right now, rather have him lynched then Chez tonight. For reason just look at my last post. Still stand by that.

I'll try to be here before the deadline, but cant promise.


NO

NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG

[QUOTE]On March 02 2013 01:17 glurio wrote:
Ok i caught up. (Kinda skimmed since grushs fakeshot.)
I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement.
Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that?
[/quuote]

YES

YES HE WOULD

ok imagine you are chez

You have just been caught by sexy scumhunter extraordinaire, Wade Fell AKA Blazinghand. You know he is sexy because of all the babes he gets, and you also know he's an amazing player. He is so super cool. He's just excellent. You wish you could be 4x as cool so you could be even half as cool as him. But the point is, he's gonna push you and you're gonna die. However, you are a mafia day vigi. you KNOW that you're basically dead.

What do you do?

Why, you fire off your gun at someone who looks townie, so that you move town a half-step closer to LYLO. If you're gonna die anyways this is the last thing you can do to help town

I've already explained this-- how do you not understand this?
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 02 2013 21:52 GMT
#2929
EBWOP

On March 03 2013 06:50 Wade Fell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 05:53 glurio wrote:
Ok guys i'm very sorry but weekends are always a busy time for me.
I'll vote geript right now, rather have him lynched then Chez tonight. For reason just look at my last post. Still stand by that.

I'll try to be here before the deadline, but cant promise.


NO

NO NO NO YOU ARE WRONG

Show nested quote +
On March 02 2013 01:17 glurio wrote:
Ok i caught up. (Kinda skimmed since grushs fakeshot.)
I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement.
Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that?


YES

YES HE WOULD

ok imagine you are chez

You have just been caught by sexy scumhunter extraordinaire, Wade Fell AKA Blazinghand. You know he is sexy because of all the babes he gets, and you also know he's an amazing player. He is so super cool. He's just excellent. You wish you could be 4x as cool so you could be even half as cool as him. But the point is, he's gonna push you and you're gonna die. However, you are a mafia day vigi. you KNOW that you're basically dead.

What do you do?

Why, you fire off your gun at someone who looks townie, so that you move town a half-step closer to LYLO. If you're gonna die anyways this is the last thing you can do to help town

I've already explained this-- how do you not understand this?

Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 02 2013 21:53 GMT
#2930
edit: this is the last thing you can do to _hurt town_

the point is a caught mafia day vigi would shoot his gun before he died if he could
Politics is the Mind-Killer
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 02 2013 21:58 GMT
#2931
On March 03 2013 06:45 Wade Fell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Morning gents.

I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red.

I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead).

Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today.

##unvote
##vote Geript


hellow scum #3


Eh, cute, but sorry to disappoint you. BH scumhunter extraordinaire having some accuracy issues this game.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 02 2013 21:59 GMT
#2932
it's also worth pointing out that milkman was a very poor target for a town vig when we have/had so many inactive players
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 02 2013 22:00 GMT
#2933
On March 03 2013 06:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 06:45 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Morning gents.

I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red.

I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead).

Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today.

##unvote
##vote Geript


hellow scum #3


Eh, cute, but sorry to disappoint you. BH scumhunter extraordinaire having some accuracy issues this game.


I was right about prom, I'm about to be proven right about Chez, and I will be highly correct about all the scum left in the game.

Quiver, scum! quiver in fear! quiver like arrows!
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
March 02 2013 22:03 GMT
#2934
Before I go, I would like people to know that I did try to redeem myself. Sorry for wasting my vig shot and causing two deaths instead of letting mafia just shoot me. I think I'm going to step away from mafia for awhile. It seems I am far from my prime mafia days. Well, I thought I would share my failed attempts at finding mafia, cause I am one that doesn't give up easily (though I may take long breaks at times). I decided to go old school and try and infiltrate the mafia IRC. To begin, I went undercover as a weak detective now that I didn't have my gun. I went were the place where many scum are found. #TL Mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +
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At first I went channel hopping while always having my base at TL Mafia. I whois players and found the other channels they were in and joined them. I started with Palmar. I ended joining TL-ABS or something like that. Lots of people in that channel. I even found a guy named "Mr. Brown". I continued channel hopping and got nothing. So then I decided to join #teamliquid to see if I could locate any player and find alternative channels.. well nothing. So I just stayed sitting in TL Mafia as my undercover (oh forgot to say, the cover name was Lenwe). I decided to watch netflix as I was taking a long break cause you know... I don't give up... IT WAS JUST A BREAK!!. After watching netflix, I looked in the channel and couldn't believe what I saw... BH, iamp, and test subject joined the channel. few minutes later thrawn joined.. Nothing big yet... but it got me cautious... I checked for alternative channels and just got #TL debate. I hoped in and out of it fast. No sign of a mafia IRC. So, I just sat in the TL Mafia channel.. just waiting for them to speak... to show a sign. BH soon timed out.. I saw this golden opportunity...I created a new tab and a new username... called Blazinghand. He joined into the channel soon after BH left. I waited for a secret message to be passed to this new creation.... and you know what I got? nothing... the other soon left the channel... My mission to find the mafia IRC failed... My searches for the mafia qt were less eventful..

With that, I am no longer worthy to be called sheriff. I am not even worthy to be called a weak detective. I am a murder. I shot the milkman. Another failure on my part. So, here I am on verge of the LVP reward. However, I do give up. I will not quit. I will be strong. I will be brown. In these last hours, I will do my best to help town by playing the sane game.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 02 2013 22:04 GMT
#2935
On March 03 2013 07:00 Wade Fell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 06:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 03 2013 06:45 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Morning gents.

I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red.

I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead).

Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today.

##unvote
##vote Geript


hellow scum #3


Eh, cute, but sorry to disappoint you. BH scumhunter extraordinaire having some accuracy issues this game.


I was right about prom, I'm about to be proven right about Chez, and I will be highly correct about all the scum left in the game.

Quiver, scum! quiver in fear! quiver like arrows!


In that case, I'm looking forward to you being sorely disappointed.
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Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 02 2013 22:06 GMT
#2936
On March 03 2013 07:04 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 03 2013 07:00 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 03 2013 06:58 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On March 03 2013 06:45 Wade Fell wrote:
On March 03 2013 02:15 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Morning gents.

I'm still vehemently against a Chez lynch. I'm the only one who has defended against it, and I'm sticking to my guns. I don't think he will flip red.

I'm willing to reconsider JJ for now. I agree that it would be surprising for him to claim roleblocker as scum, however certainly not impossible. I'm fine with him surviving and reevaluating after night phase (also, it's clear that all of you want Chez dead).

Geript, on the other hand, is looking absolutely terrible. Martyring, being generally useless, and lashing out. I would MUCH prefer seeing him die before you guys lynch Chez. There has been a lot of discussion in the last few pages about geript, and I really think he should die today.

##unvote
##vote Geript


hellow scum #3


Eh, cute, but sorry to disappoint you. BH scumhunter extraordinaire having some accuracy issues this game.


I was right about prom, I'm about to be proven right about Chez, and I will be highly correct about all the scum left in the game.

Quiver, scum! quiver in fear! quiver like arrows!


In that case, I'm looking forward to you being sorely disappointed.


hueheuheuhehue it is you who will be sorely disappointed kind sir
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7468 Posts
March 02 2013 22:07 GMT
#2937
Wade it is not you I fear. It was the doctor. the one who couldn't save people. he was the one who threaten me, not you. Pardon, my rudeness.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
March 02 2013 22:28 GMT
#2938
I'm semi-here but why didn't he just shoot you wade? You (wade) seem muche more useful then milkman, i don't get it really.
I mean he needs to die but why right now? Vig could just shoot him tonight.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 02 2013 22:31 GMT
#2939
On March 03 2013 07:28 glurio wrote:
I'm semi-here but why didn't he just shoot you wade? You (wade) seem muche more useful then milkman, i don't get it really.
I mean he needs to die but why right now? Vig could just shoot him tonight.


the first question is reasonable, and i suspect he shot milk specifically so you'd ask that question.

The second question amounts to "let's not lynch scum today because I'm bad" and is an unacceptably-premised question.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
March 02 2013 22:37 GMT
#2940
On March 03 2013 06:09 layabout wrote:
I don't need towncred, there are only 3 ppl in the game that might look townier than me.

lolwat
towny is not what I think when I look at you
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